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Re: Atheism Is A Religion by dalaman: 12:34am On Jan 21, 2018 |
vaxx: Yes, some aspects of Maths and science. Example the multiplication table is the same the world over, it is clerk concise and agreed upon by everybody the world over, even if you have questions about it once you study and understand ot you'll find your answers. The cell theory in boiology or the characteristics of living things is the same and agreed upon the world over(MR NIGER D). Is there any thing about religion any religion or its doctrine that is acceptable the world over, and when people study it they will all accept and come to the same conclusion? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 1:40am On Jan 21, 2018 |
vaxx:Please quote the exact phrase that lets you infer the following: "objective evidence is base on general held believe why subjective is solely base on individual opinion". |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 1:43am On Jan 21, 2018 |
vaxx:I accept your definition and assert that a thing which you accept is a table was there. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 1:44am On Jan 21, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:I accept your definition and assert one of them was there too. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 1:46am On Jan 21, 2018 |
vaxx:Somewhere on here, I said I shall henceforth respect you. I did not say you were stupid. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 1:52am On Jan 21, 2018 |
Fvcknames:Thanks for pointing that out to him. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 2:19am On Jan 21, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:How many times does Fvcknames have to repeat as simplistically as is possible that: "Can exist" does not mean "does exist"? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 2:22am On Jan 21, 2018 |
Fvcknames:Please note how the rest of us ignore 'it'. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 2:55am On Jan 21, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Hmm. No, that's not what's being said, quite. And the issue here is your insertion of the word "proof". There's a line I used to pull about the million pounds I have convinced myself is in my bank account with which I plan to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari. The proof of the money is whether I can complete the purchase. An objective existence of a thing implies an existence irregardless of a subjects opinion. A tree fell in the forest whether anyone is there to see it fall, or even see it has fallen. The trick in this specific scenario is that it goes without saying that in a forest somewhere in the world, a tree will fall. A similar statement would be that in the time it takes you to read what I have written in this specific post you would have taken, at the very least, a couple of breaths. It just goes without saying that you would have breathed at least twice or you would never post on Nairaland again. And one does not have to witness you breathing to know you did, and any argument in opposition to that fact would deserve ridicule. It is an objective fact that validates itself. The argument for God does not go the same way and any attempt to apply it to gods opens you up to the unicorn response. Basically, things don't exist, or not exist just because someone says they exist or don't. They exist regardless of an observer. Their existence or lack of thereof, is not subject to the observer Let me go a step further. The fact that I personally, and therefore, subjectively categorically state that I have a million pounds in my bank account, or that gods, and unicorns, do not exist, does not in itself mean they do or do not exist. However, when it comes to proving whether they exist or not, the evidence for their existence is slim, at the very least. And I repeat, for the upteenth time, if ones subjective assertion of the existence of a thing were true just because it were asserted, then I would have to be a pig feed scammer, as some people asserted you were in a recent thread! I say again, I refuse to accept that without some evidence which, when you asked for, they refused to provide! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 2:59am On Jan 21, 2018 |
My meeting went well and I got home. I've read the relevants, and will play some chess. Then bed. Sleep well you all. And good cheer. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Nobody: 7:19am On Jan 21, 2018 |
Atheists and always losing battles sha ! 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 7:21am On Jan 21, 2018 |
budaatum:let your atheist brethren who will not be bias judged your reply with your way of reasoning, you will be a very poor student of a philosophy.... It is not an insult, it is a clear observation 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 7:27am On Jan 21, 2018 |
budaatum:lol, this further confirm why I said your will be a very poor student of philosophy..... In critical thinking, evaluating and analysing is the weapon of defence....you will look into my argument, bring out my flaws why making sure ,yours is flawless...... Your brethren can tell here,you did a very poor job by replying with a link to a table picture......academically it will be consider an abuse of logic 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 7:34am On Jan 21, 2018 |
budaatum:Ithis is why someone says our youth now are lazy to read. If you can not read an article that is less than 5000 words ......how will you read a complete PhD thesis..... I don't like attacking personality in a debate but you are forcing me to do so.....you shoot yourself at the foot when you bring the table analogy 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Fvcknames: 9:02am On Jan 21, 2018 |
budaatum:Bro chill on the argument, you are obviously not making any sense to them, the atheists have lost this argument, let it end like that 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Fvcknames: 9:02am On Jan 21, 2018 |
budaatum:Noted |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 1:09pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
vaxx:I have to agree with you on this Sir. BudaAtum is a poor student of true philosophy, which is the verification of truth. Did you notice how he continuously insults and falsely accuses Butterflyl1on of a criminal offence with no evidence to prove it? BudaAtum bases his false accusation on the divination of his friend Oetem who get info from their god Atum. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 1:27pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
Fvcknames:You are very much wiser than BudaAtum. Well done, you are welcome to view many more losses by Atheists. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 1:36pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
JacksonD7:Excellent post by the OP. I also agree with what the OP says elsewhere. JacksonD7 says, "All religions require faith, atheism included. Despite what the atheists wants us to believe, it does require a great deal of faith to believe that in the beginning nothing exploded and created something. And something expanded and one day created the Earth. And someway, somehow for no reason whatsoever, the Earth happened to be in the right spot for life to thrive. And later on, non-living materials have birth to the first living cell. And this cell, mysteriously rearranged itself, became more complex and reproduced. And one day, these complex cells turned into fishes. And one day these fishes decided to live on land. In time, the amphibious offspring of these fishes gave birth to reptiles, and these reptiles gave birth to mammals. These mammals then gave birth to apes, and the apes have birth to your human ancestors, who have birth to you. I don't know about you, but for me the entire scenario above, sounds like a plot device from a terrible sci-fi novel. Yes Sir I fully agree. Then the Apes evolved into Atheists, but the wise apes stayed behind because they did not want to join in the mocking of their creator God. Butterflyl1on and Vaxx has a lot more to say on this. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 2:09pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
JacksonD7:I spoke to a member of The Nigerian Atheists Organization about the OP. He says he fully agrees with the contents of the OP as it relates to Atheism. He said that he spoke to some members about the high cost and futility of denying that Atheism is a religion. I am wondering what other senior Atheist members have to say about this, such as; Mr. Adepoju Adeleke (Abuja), Mr. Andrew Nandip (Plateau state), Mr. Ogunyemi Adekunle (Abuja), Mr. Sambo Gamba (Bauchi state), Professor Tunde Arogundade (Plateau state) and MS. Yemisi Ilesanmi(UK). Absent: Dr. Ogunlana Adeleke (Kogi state), Mr. Aruson Alaba(Lagos), Mrs Adekunle Ann( plateau state). 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by superhumanist(m): 3:09pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: Saving this post for its extreme foolishness. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 4:05pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
vaxx:I posted the article, and had read its 5035 words (including references) before posting it. I read it again before I slept last night, and still found nowhere where it says "objective evidence is base on general held believe" I wonder if you read the article? I know that you can not have understood it since you claim it says what is not said in the article. I asked you for the exact bit that made you conclude what you did but you resort to name calling! I hereby suspend the promise to respect and regard you. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 4:10pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Hopefully, Butterflyl1on himself will convince you that buda has not accused him of any such thing. But meanwhile perhaps post what made you make such a claim? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by orisa37: 5:24pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
In a way, Yes. It's "Myopic Superstition". Shortsighted Religion. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Fvcknames: 6:26pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
orisa37:Welcome to the thread 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 8:22pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
Fvcknames:Hello veteran. Your initiation was short, but baptism of fire all the same, it seems. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Seun(m): 8:56pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Why does all the evidence for God have to be so flimsy that it falls apart when you subject it to any amount of intellectual scrutiny? If God exists and wants us to believe that he exists, he can surely figure out how to convince every atheist beyond any reasonable doubt. Since that has not happened, we can conclude that he either doesn’t exist or, if he exists, then he doesn’t want us to believe that he exists. Ironically a lot of what we painstakingly want to look for as evidence in far places have actually been right in front of us all along.Like what? 1 Like 5 Shares |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Fvcknames: 10:36pm On Jan 21, 2018 |
budaatum: I think this works better than anger management |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 1:29am On Jan 22, 2018 |
Fvcknames:Good training for it at the least. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by orisa37: 5:12am On Jan 22, 2018 |
Fvcknames:. To sow it together? That will be unequal Yoke! Myopic Superstition is "Forget and Abandon Process". I have "TheFaith & TheHope". |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 8:08am On Jan 22, 2018 |
Seun: If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to give me a list of ALL the evidence for God you said is available and we will assess their so called flimsy nature. Mind you, you must be truthful enough to give me ALL. If God exists and wants us to believe that he exists, he can surely figure out how to convince every atheist beyond any reasonable doubt Your statement here is self refuting. God is already doing so to them that first believe and not to those who first wish to see before they believe. Before you experience something from the one offering the experience he has conditions you must meet and when you fail to meet these conditions and do not get this experience would you blame the experience giver or yourself? How can you expect God to reveal himself to someone whose foundation is a lack of belief of His existence. How does that work? Can I get into a car that I do not see in my spirit? Can I eat and enjoy a meal I openly declared does not exist? Even when I do, I could easily call it a different name just to convince myself that I still did not eat that meal. Since that has not happened, we can conclude that he either doesn’t exist or, if he exists, then he doesn’t want us to believe that he exists. Since you have chosen not to meet His condition for the experience I can conclude that you either deliberately do not want him to exist to you or since he exists and your pride has been speaking that he does not exist then you would do or say anything to deny his existence to you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by dalaman: 8:52am On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: When where and how did any God tell you that he only provides evidence to those that first have to believe? Is it not the bible that has God throwing sings all over so that people will see and believe? The contest btw Elijah and the prophets of Baal isn't inside your own bible abi? S it not the same bible that talks about signs that will follow believers so that unbelievers will SEE and believe? What the he'll are you talking about here? I keep telling you that no God that exist in reality will allow a failure like you to ever make any case for it. Before you experience something from the one offering the experience he has conditions you must meet and when you fail to meet these conditions and do not get this experience would you blame the experience giver or yourself? What are the conditions Moses met before Yahweh appeared to him as a burning bush? The condition Saul met before his Damascus experience was what assuming this stories were true? All the testimonies various christians throw around about their GOD appearing to them and giving them messages just like that while they were unbelievers nko? Which condition did they meet? Many pastors have stories of Jesus appearing to them even while they were unbelievers and giving them messages to go and prolifirate according to them. No condition was stated and non was met. How can you expect God to reveal himself to someone whose foundation is a lack of belief of His existence. How does that work? Can I get into a car that I do not see in my spirit? Can I eat and enjoy a meal I openly declared does not exist? Even when I do, I could easily call it a different name just to convince myself that I still did not eat that meal.The bible and the many testimonies of christians who were unbelievers that claimed Jesus appeared to them in their unbelief and told them what ever show that you don't know what you are talking about. Which condition was met since they were unbelievers? Which condition did Saul meet before Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus? Since you have chosen not to meet His condition for the experience I can conclude that you either deliberately do not want him to exist to you or since he exists and your pride has been speaking that he does not exist then you would do or say anything to deny his existence to you. The condition you are talking about is your own making because you have nothing to hold on to. Many people have claimed that God appered to them when they were unbelievers, the bible has God appearing to unbelievers and converting them. All these say you clearly have no idea of what you are saying. 1 Like |
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