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Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 1:21pm On Jan 26, 2018
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations (sic).
4. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.


(1) Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish?Specifically, the Bible says he will:

a) Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
b) Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
c) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
d) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).


If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

(2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah:

A. Messiah as Prophet: The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Teshuva 9:2). Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets – Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

B. Descendant of David: The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance: The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"



(3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus: Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text – which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth: The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant: Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant." In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel"wink are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:cool. In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.


(4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation: Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show – assuming they are genuine – is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation – i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. cool:

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.

What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us – who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)



Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Eggcelent(m): 1:36pm On Jan 26, 2018
When It Comes To Spiritual Issues, It's Better Not To Try To Be Too "Sensible". Otherwise, What Makes The Spiritual Supernatural Would Have Been Taken Out

Meanwhile, Good Academic Efforts @ OP

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Nobody: 1:41pm On Jan 26, 2018
Everyone has a right to their belief, so if they believe only the Old Testament, that's their business.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by rekinomtla(m): 1:45pm On Jan 26, 2018
What do you mean Jews don't believe in Jesus. What was Paul, Peter, James etc then? Muslims?

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Ever8054: 1:53pm On Jan 26, 2018
its simple...they do not believe because he did not fulfill there expectations but that of God...

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jan 26, 2018
SPIRITUAL ISSUES CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD WITH THE EYES OF THE SUPERNATURAL. JUDAISM IS A RELIGION ON ITS OWN AND HENCE YOU SHOULD EXPECT THAT THEY MUST HAVE A JUSTIFICATION OVER EVERY OTHER RELIGION ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANITY. BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM RIGHT.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 1:55pm On Jan 29, 2018
rekinomtla:
What do you mean Jews don't believe in Jesus. What was Paul, Peter, James etc then? Muslims?

He was a Jew. Same way Jesus Christ was a Jew too.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Omudia11: 2:26pm On Jan 29, 2018
Very good.
Ever8054:
its simple...they do not believe because he did not fulfill there expectations but that of God...
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Nobody: 3:04pm On Jan 29, 2018
Beautiful piece if Jesus of Nazareth is not d Messiah den who is he? Christians in d house should explained.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by rekinomtla(m): 10:48am On Jan 30, 2018
adekhingz:


He was a Jew. Same way Jesus Christ was a Jew too.

So Jews do believe in Jesus.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Emmanystone: 4:47pm On Feb 02, 2018
adekhingz:
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations (sic).
4. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.


(1) Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish?Specifically, the Bible says he will:

a) Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
b) Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
c) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
d) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).


If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

(2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah:

A. Messiah as Prophet: The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Teshuva 9:2). Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets – Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

B. Descendant of David: The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance: The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"



(3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus: Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text – which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth: The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant: Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant." In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel"wink are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:cool. In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.


(4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation: Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show – assuming they are genuine – is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation – i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. cool:

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.

What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us – who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)



Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
You have copied and pasted, if we should actually go into this discussion, will you stand the test of time? It's not enough to post stuff, but it is to defend them.

Shd we engage each other? No wasting of time pls.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 9:09am On Feb 05, 2018
Emmanystone:

You have copied and pasted, if we should actually go into this discussion, will you stand the test of time? It's not enough to post stuff, but it is to defend them.

Shd we engage each other? No wasting of time pls.

I am quoting directly from site, and I don't believe I ever claimed to be the writer of the article. I am a Muslim,, not a jew, so I see no reason why you should want to engage me in a discussion over what Jews believe. Why am I posting this? I'm posting this for "YOU" to understand that it's not just Muslims who don't worship Jesus. As a matter of fact, Muslims believe Jesus is a messenger of God (and also the messiah), while the Jews believe he is a Fake prophet and an impersonator of the messiah. Israelite are more of Jews than Christians.

Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 9:10am On Feb 05, 2018
rekinomtla:


So Jews do believe in Jesus.

Some of them. Majority don't.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by danvon(m): 2:41pm On Feb 05, 2018
Well Jews also don't practice circumcision and they tolerate homosexuality so I don't know what they believe in
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:16pm On Feb 05, 2018
adekhingz:


He was a Jew. Same way Jesus Christ was a Jew too.
Oh, Jesus was a Jew? I mean, Him being isa in thw koran and all. muslims believes in a Jewish Jesus? I thiught he was an Arab.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:19pm On Feb 05, 2018
adekhingz:


I am quoting directly from site, and I don't believe I ever claimed to be the writer of the article. I am a Muslim,, not a jew, so I see no reason why you should want to engage me in a discussion over what Jews believe. Why am I posting this? I'm posting this for "YOU" to understand that it's not just Muslims who don't worship Jesus. As a matter of fact, Muslims believe Jesus is a messenger of God (and also the messiah), while the Jews believe he is a Fake prophet and an impersonator of the messiah. Israelite are more of Jews than Christians.
You being a muslim disqualifies you from talking about who or what the Jews believe in, since you hate them fiercely and wish them dead 5 times a day.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:21pm On Feb 05, 2018
danvon:
Well Jews also don't practice circumcision and they tolerate homosexuality so I don't know what they believe in
Hmmmm. Clap for yasef mr Christian man who hates God's people.

You dey dig your grave by standing against the Jews.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by tartar9(m): 11:39pm On Feb 05, 2018
godisgood200:
Hmmmm. Clap for yasef mr Christian man who hates God's people.
You dey dig your grave by standing against the Jews.
Like the graves that the jews dug for the Germans.

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Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 11:48pm On Feb 05, 2018
tartar9:

Like the graves that the jews dug for the Germans.
Link pls.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 9:39am On Feb 06, 2018
godisgood200:

You being a muslim disqualifies you from talking about who or what the Jews believe in, since you hate them fiercely and wish them dead 5 times a day.

My being a muslim doesn't change the fact that they don't believe in Jesus. If you have a contrary view, please share. And to correct the fact, Muslims don't want any one dead. Allah said in the holy Qur'an "O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him]." (Qur'an 3:102)
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 11:04am On Feb 06, 2018
adekhingz:


My being a muslim doesn't change the fact that they don't believe in Jesus. If you have a contrary view, please share. And to correct the fact, Muslims don't want any one dead. Allah said in the holy Qur'an "O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him]." (Qur'an 3:102)
I guess Peter, James and John were Arabs then?
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 11:29am On Feb 06, 2018
godisgood200:

I guess Peter, James and John were Arabs then?

They were muslim JEws.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 2:09pm On Feb 06, 2018
adekhingz:


They were muslim JEws.
Hahahahahahahahahaha. You mean the Muslim Jews corrupted the Injil? What about Apostle Paul, was he also a Muslim Jew?
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by adekhingz(m): 2:35pm On Feb 06, 2018
godisgood200:

Hahahahahahahahahaha. You mean the Muslim Jews corrupted the Injil? What about Apostle Paul, was he also a Muslim Jew?

Everyone who submit himself/herself to the will of God is a Muslim #you_be_your_judge
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by Nobody: 3:06pm On Feb 06, 2018
godisgood200:

Link pls.
You don't get sarcasm, do you? grin He's referring to the Holocaust lmao. Hitler (a German) 'stood against the Jews' by murdering a third of them and Yahweh didn't save a single one. So much for 'gods people'.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by rekinomtla(m): 5:48pm On Feb 06, 2018
adekhingz:


Some of them. Majority don't.

Lots of them.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:48pm On Feb 06, 2018
AnonyNymous:

You don't get sarcasm, do you? grin He's referring to the Holocaust lmao. Hitler (a German) 'stood against the Jews' by murdering a third of them and Yahweh didn't save a single one. So much for 'gods people'.
Lol, if only you know.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:49pm On Feb 06, 2018
adekhingz:


Everyone who submit himself/herself to the will of God is a Muslim #you_be_your_judge
A submit myself to the will of God, am i a muslim too?
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:52pm On Feb 06, 2018
adekhingz:


Everyone who submit himself/herself to the will of God is a Muslim #you_be_your_judge
You doged my question smary guy. You muslims believe Christians and Jews corrupted the Bible, but now you claim that Jesus and His Apotles were muslim jews, now my question. The Muslim Jews corrupted the Bible and removed your prophet from it abi?
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by godisgood200: 8:57pm On Feb 06, 2018
AnonyNymous:

You don't get sarcasm, do you? grin He's referring to the Holocaust lmao. Hitler (a German) 'stood against the Jews' by murdering a third of them and Yahweh didn't save a single one. So much for 'gods people'.
Maybe you shd sit down and ask yourself how it ia possible that a people as hated and mistreated by other humans can still be as strong and formidible as these people. The Jews still controls the world's ecnomy. Do your research. YHWH wanted to proof a point, but you with your small sense can not grasp it.


After all the killing, Israel still emerges at the Top. Leanding to Nations, not borrowing from any.
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by danvon(m): 9:12pm On Feb 06, 2018
godisgood200:

Maybe you shd sit down and ask yourself how it ia possible that a people as hated and mistreated by other humans can still be as strong and formidible as these people. The Jews still controls the world's ecnomy. Do your research. YHWH wanted to proof a point, but you with your small sense can not grasp it.


After all the killing, Israel still emerges at the Top. Leanding to Nations, not borrowing from any.
That was exactly why they were persecuted their usury was getting out of control
Re: Why Jews Don't believe in Jesus by budaatum: 9:18pm On Feb 06, 2018
What I'd like to sit down and ask is if god had a point to prove with the enslavement of we Africans.

Got any opinions?


godisgood200:

Maybe you shd sit down and ask yourself how it ia possible that a people as hated and mistreated by other humans can still be as strong and formidible as these people. The Jews still controls the world's ecnomy. Do your research. YHWH wanted to proof a point, but you with your small sense can not grasp it.


After all the killing, Israel still emerges at the Top. Leanding to Nations, not borrowing from any.

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