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Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 7:08pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
StevieGee27:I hope her children grow up to understand that someday. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 3:22am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Xbee007:She is going to hell straight away. No sentiment, no need to argue. ( Exo 20:13). Although those Christian brethren were a bit harsh but they definely said the truth. It so unfortunate she ended that way because of frustration of life. This world is temporarily as there is another world where there is no pain,suffering and anguish. 1 Like |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 3:29am On Jan 31, 2018 |
QueenBeeHive:Please don't. As far you're breathing, there is a solution to whatever challenge you're facing. Jesus gave the parable of the widow and the judge in Luke 18:1-8. The widow never gave up yet she got what she wanted. I would advice you apply this - Pray Until Something Happens ( PUSH). It is useless committing suicide as you would cause more pains together with what you are facing. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 3:32am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Jesse01:Elohim is faithful in all his ways. Men ought to pray and not to faint. Just like the way soldiers rarely give up on battles so should a Christian. We are soldiers of Christ and we are bound to face challenges. Challenges are temporary as within a short while it will faced away |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Zither(m): 6:32am On Jan 31, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: but it is possible to kill oneself, right? No murderer or killer shall inherit eternal life. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Zither(m): 6:44am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Xbee007: God is the Judge. I only say what I know from the Word of God. Even the great Apostle Paul said that he made sure he disciplined his body to live a righteous life so as not to be condemned to hell even after he had lived a life of preaching to people. Look for the video of Tamara Laroux who committed suicide from depression but was given grace by God to return to life even after she had been pronounced dead on the spot - gun shot to the heart. The video is on youtube. Make your own judgment from there. I have only said what I know. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by hopefulLandlord: 7:02am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Zither: then suicide would've been written as an unforgivable sin in your holy book but its not |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Zither(m): 7:08am On Jan 31, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: 1 Corinthians 3:17 - If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are. There you have it..... |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by hopefulLandlord: 7:23am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Zither: Oga, its purely written what the only unforgivable sin is in your holy book and its not suicide, stop pulling interpretations outta your ass |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by danvon(m): 7:32am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Tosinex:So Samson is in hell? 18 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 9:51am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Seun: Really? But did you read the part where he said "However, lately there have been tremendous improvement in her eye sight" That shows she was impatient. Healing don't just happen at once. Its a gradual process. Impatience killed her And about " she won't burn in hell, because hell is an imaginary place" My guy common don't be so sure with your atheist theory . You don't know a bit about spiritual things. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 9:57am On Jan 31, 2018 |
Xbee007: Don't let that guy confuse you. Saying both heaven and earth don't exist. ask him on which planet is he. On Pluto? Atheism is something else. A group of confused guys deceiving themselves and living life without a check. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 10:00am On Jan 31, 2018 |
StevieGee27: So if you believe heaven doesn't exist because you don't have access to it , why must you say earth doesn't exist either at least you are in it. Chai! No wonder the new David Fric Dictionary defines Atheism as "CONFUSION" SMH! 3 Likes |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 3:09pm On Apr 23, 2018 |
Xbee007: Want my take ? If yes will post on technical thread And what is sniper ? |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 3:14pm On Apr 23, 2018 |
nemesis4u: OK, go ahead. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 3:15pm On Apr 23, 2018 |
Xbee007: Tell me what is sniper ? |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 3:27pm On Apr 23, 2018 |
nemesis4u:It is a very potent insecticide in liquid form. 1 Like
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Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 11:11pm On Apr 23, 2018 |
Nemesis4u, still waiting for your post. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Anas09: 8:17am On Apr 24, 2018 |
Seun:Hahahahahahaha. It's unfortunate that religion does not help people and atheism does abi? why are all atheist depressed and anticipating suicide and actually kill themselves? Okay, Seun, pls tell me what i will stand to again if i become an atheist. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 9:32am On Apr 24, 2018 |
Anas09:Depression can happen to anyone regardless of your age, sex, skin colour or the god(s) you pray to. That atheist tend to commit suicide, as a result of depression, more than religious folks just goes to show that atheist don't have the psychological and sociological cushion religious folks enjoy in organised religions. It is not rocket science. Support Groups in advance societies can conveniently replace the job of religion in this area. What will you stand to gain if you abandon religion for reason? Well, for starters you begin to use more of your brain. You will be freed from shackle of mental slavery. You will truly understand that life itself is unfair and it is the duty of every human to make it better for everyone. You will understand and better accept reality as it is. Most importantly, you will understand that our destiny is shaped by the choices we make, although reality dictates that somethings are beyond our control but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. 1 Like |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by marttol: 9:47am On Apr 24, 2018 |
Seun:lol,hell is an imaginary place, WELL THANK GOD,THERE IS NO HUMAN THAT HAVE POWER OVER DEATH, ONLY THOSE IN CHRIST |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by marttol: 9:47am On Apr 24, 2018 |
Seun:lol,hell is an imaginary place?, WELL THANK GOD,THERE IS NO HUMAN THAT HAVE POWER OVER DEATH, ONLY THOSE IN CHRIST |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by hopefulLandlord: 9:52am On Apr 24, 2018 |
Xbee007: You didn't even challenge the stupid claim in that post He's saying "ALL atheists are depressed and contemplating suicide" I understand that perhaps the statement is just so ineffably stupid that its okay to pretend its not there 4 Likes |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 9:55am On Apr 24, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Such blanket statement is a product of ignorance and doesn't really deserve acknowledgement. 3 Likes |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Anas09: 12:25pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
Sir, i am a Christian who believes my life is a Trust to me, so can not do with it however i please. I believe following the instructions of God written in the Bible keeps me safe both here and hereafter. I believe a kingdom awaits me when i'm done here and can only access that Kingdom by meeting up with the criteria of Love, which comes by accepting the Love offered to me by Jesus Christ, without which, i can't be a partaker of that Kingdom, So sir, pls tell me what i stand to loose when i close my eyes in death and discover the much expected Kingdom does not exist. If there's no Hellfire of Heaven, what will i lose? Xbee007:Well, let me begin by saying, depression can not happen to any Child of God who has the Holy Spirit inside of them and maximizes His blessedness. The reason is because, depression is a spirit and two opposing spirits can not cohabit the same host. The very first thing that happens to believer when the Holy Spirit steps into his/her life is unexplainable Joy and peace. There's no way that experience can be put to words. Jesus knows that the world is full of tribulation and situations that causes discouragement, hence; He said, Come unto me..., He came back as the Spirit the comforter. Every Spiritually sensitive and aware Christian knows that we don't belong here that is why the world hates us. We have a Kingdom and if we feel comfortable here, we'll loose sight of our Kingdom, so we can't be burdened by the things of the world and when we don't have them, we kill ourselves as a result. But, most Christians also make the mistake of Misdirecting their focus by taking it off God and placing them on men hence, setting themselves up for a great fall. Our Hope comes from God alone. Some don't know how to pray, they take their Wills to God for approval when they should have asked God what His will for them is. God will never answer or do our will, it's either we do as He Wills or leave yourself vulnerable to the attacks of Satan by discouragement and doubt. Xbee007:Atheism is now organized in groups and have support groups too. I go to Reddit and see them dropping links to support groups for those contemplating suicide, yet they still kill themselves. Have you ever heard the word Hope? Hope is what believers in Jesus have. Every Jesus believing Christian has the hoping of living eternally with Jesus at death, why kill myself when i know i will die anyways? We know that our lives on earth are a Trust and a Test, hence; we live it cautiously knowing we'll hand it over some day and account for how we used it. Trust me, to you what i just said is Rocket Science becos it just flew above your head. Xbee007:You mean i don't use my brain now that i'm Christian? How? Do you mean if you and i sat for an examination you'd make better grades than i because you are an atheist and me a Christian? Or if we worked in the same establishment and are given tasks to perform you'd do better then i because you are an atheist? hahahahahaha. pls don't make me laugh. Do you really believe it when you are told you are smarter than a Christian? Pls explain to me what you mean by mental slavery. Xbee007:What is reality? You described the unfairness of Life here as though Life has power of it's own to create situations that are unfavourable. Is life a living force? What makes life unfair? Xbee007:Destiny talks about a 'destination', and destination talks about the future and the future talks about targets and Hope. Without a purpose we can not begin to talk about destinations. What is the destination of an atheist on earth? You believe you are like animal or a flower which is here today but tomorrow, can be gone leaving no memories behind. If we are just chemicals with no reason to live in the first place, why strive or thrive to be anything at all? Sir, maybe i shd outline the benefits of my being a Christian to you so that you can tell their negatives or how they are detrimental to me, hence; dissuade me from pursuing the life i'm currently pursuing as a Christian. What you gave to me as benefits are nothing to go by, as I have never failed an exam before. i'm not boasting here, but i have never sat for any exams and get called back for a resit, never. I have never sat for an interview and was not called to resume work. And, i'm not an atheist. If you truly believe that you are smarter because you are an atheist, well... Wow.
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Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Nobody: 12:45pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
Xbee007: Well I might be driven to suicide if I make the mistake of posting it here. But no hell for me , becz I get the virgins I will post it later, it's my own theory it will blow u away First answer this where is the abode of God or whatever ? And what is the thing which makes all impossible possible ? Hint : Both answers r interrelated |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Martinez19(m): 2:13pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
^^^ A big wow from a small mind. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Martinez19(m): 2:14pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
Anas09:A big wow from a small mind. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 2:27pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
nemesis4u: For me, God, as the three Abrahamic religions portray him, is human which is why he has all human attributes. And he resides in the sky, at least that is what the religious books say about him. The thing that makes all thing possible is probably the human trait of never giving up no matter how enormous the challenge seems. I guess human imagination too can be the answer to that question. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by nduchucks: 2:57pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
I see quite a few narrow minded comments here. Comments which inadvertently give atheists reinforcements for their beliefs. For now, let me just state that hell, as defined as brimstone and fire, only exists in this realm we live in. When you die, your physical body decays and will no longer exist. How then can anyone burn in hell as defined by most religious folks. I submit to you that the hell-fire defined hell is simply a metaphor. No loving father will throw his own child into a raving inferno unless that father is wicked or insane. Some of you Christians need to study the bible with your God given brains and stop feeding Atheists unnecessarily. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Xbee007(m): 3:32pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
Anas09:Well, technically once we are dead stuffs like that wouldn't matter just like they didn't before we were born. It is just nothingness... Well, let me begin by saying, depression can not happen to any Child of God who has the Holy Spirit inside of them and maximizes His blessedness. The reason is because, depression is a spirit and two opposing spirits can not cohabit the same host. The very first thing that happens to believer when the Holy Spirit steps into his/her life is unexplainable Joy and peace. There's no way that experience can be put to words. Jesus knows that the world is full of tribulation and situations that causes discouragement, hence; He said, Come unto me..., He came back as the Spirit the comforter. Every Spiritually sensitive and aware Christian knows that we don't belong here that is why the world hates us. We have a Kingdom and if we feel comfortable here, we'll loose sight of our Kingdom, so we can't be burdened by the things of the world and when we don't have them, we kill ourselves as a result. Again, I repeat depression can happen to anyone regardless of the God(s) you worship or how many times you pray in a day. Just that religion seems to be a better copping mechanism in third world countries. In better organised ones, they have therapist and Support Groups for that. And if you continue saying that depressed Christians do not have enough holy spirit in them that is why they are depressed then you are really insensitive. Cos it just takes one sad incident to send a healthy human mind into that slippery slope of depression. For instance, take a woman full of "Holy Spirit" who then lost her husband and children in a road accident. She will naturally be depressed if she doesn't get good help and support from loved ones. But, most Christians also make the mistake of Misdirecting their focus by taking it off God and placing them on men hence, setting themselves up for a great fall. Our Hope comes from God alone.Our hope rest on our shoulders alone. Although there are some things that are beyond our control, hence, it is left to us to accept the things we cannot change, change the things that we can and be able to tell the difference between the two. Some don't know how to pray, they take their Wills to God for approval when they should have asked God what His will for them is. God will never answer or do our will, it's either we do as He Wills or leave yourself vulnerable to the attacks of Satan by discouragement and doubt.Since you religious folks claim God(s) know(s) our minds, then it shouldn't matter how we pray, our prayer should be answered anyway. BTW, the reality is that prayer solves no real problem, it may give you rest of mind to stop worrying about it, but it will never solve it. Which is why when your religious leaders want somethings like new house, new and bigger churches, cars etc. they ask sheeples to contribute monies. But when sheeples need stuffs, they tell them to pray. If prayer were the answer, Nigeria not China will be the best country in the world. Atheism is now organized in groups and have support groups too. I go to Reddit and see them dropping links to support groups for those contemplating suicide, yet they still kill themselves.The ignorant stereotypes of exaggerating suicides by atheists belongs to the junk. Their are millions of atheist in this world today with very sane minds. Have you ever heard the word Hope? Hope is what believers in Jesus have. Every Jesus believing Christian has the hoping of living eternally with Jesus at death, why kill myself when i know i will die anyways? Hope is good but when based on religious narcissism is bad. Have you ever asked yourself genuinely that 'what if your religion is the wrong one?' There are thousands of religions in this world today but yours is the 'right one'. Well lucky for you! Trust me, to you what i just said is Rocket Science becos it just flew above your head.It is not surprising to me. You are only 'high' on your religion. Just like a weed smoker would praise his weed over other's. You mean i don't use my brain now that i'm Christian? How? Do you mean if you and i sat for an examination you'd make better grades than i because you are an atheist and me a Christian? Or if we worked in the same establishment and are given tasks to perform you'd do better then i because you are an atheist? hahahahahaha. I don't mean it that way. But the truth is the illusion called religion will definitely affect your brain and how you see the world. It is like an opium that gives you a limited narcissistic view. Pls explain to me what you mean by mental slavery.It is the worst form of slavery. It is a bondage of the mind, worst still the people in it don't know or refuse to accept the fact. When the colonialists came to Africa, they stole our resources and gave us religion. "Touch not the anointed!" they say. Obey! Conform!! Do not question!!! White missionaries are stealing from you but they say "touch not the anointed." Your pastors is stealing from the church and sleeping with church members but "Touch not the anointed!" What is reality? You described the unfairness of Life here as though Life has power of it's own to create situations that are unfavourable. Is life a living force?How will Shekau who has killed thousand of people still be alive today but a couple with just an only child lose their child in a tragedy? Justice makes life fair! Destiny talks about a 'destination', and destination talks about the future and the future talks about targets and Hope. Without a purpose we can not begin to talk about destinations.Well that is the simple truth of life and more reason why we should make best of what we have right now. If we are just chemicals with no reason to live in the first place, why strive or thrive to be anything at all?We should strive for life not just for ourselves but for others too because we are part of the lucky few who get too live. Their are trillions of human who could have been in your place today but here you are. You should appreciate life and know that you are one of the lucky few. Sir, maybe i shd outline the benefits of my being a Christian to you so that you can tell their negatives or how they are detrimental to me, hence; dissuade me from pursuing the life i'm currently pursuing as a Christian.There is nothing special about Christianity. I am not trying to dissuade you from your religion. I don't do that. I just enjoy this sort of intellectual arguments. What you gave to me as benefits are nothing to go by, as I have never failed an exam before. i'm not boasting here, but i have never sat for any exams and get called back for a resit, never. I have never sat for an interview and was not called to resume work. And, i'm not an atheist.Again nothing special. There are billions of atheists or non-christians who have had better luck. Some people didn't even go through the stress of interview before they got job. If you truly believe that you are smarter because you are an atheist, well... Wow.I don't even see myself that way. |
Re: Where Will Suicide Victims Go: Heaven Or Hellfire? by Anas09: 7:18pm On Apr 24, 2018 |
Your post is a long one, so, i'll do cut it in verses. Xbee007:You did not answer my question. i said, if i die believing there's a heaven and Hellfire, but all i ser is nothingness, what do i stand to loose? Will i miss being depressed as is so commonly associated with Atheism or the hatred and bitterness against those who believe in God? Is it degenerated depraved lifestyle which ultimately endangers human life? is it alcoholism which destroys the Kidneys and Liver? what will i be missing? Pls tell me. Xbee007:I thought i made myself clear. deal with me not with others who believe in other gods. I am a christian so, it'll make perfect sense if you'd say, depression can affect Christians. I happen to also know that American Christians pray and depend on God for support than humans. The loved ones are mostly Christian cells units. And, your woman full of the Holy Spirit who looses her husband and Children in a road accident then gets depressed to the point of killing herself, made you believed she had the Holy Spirit, when she didn't. Listen the test of a Christian life is not when all is rosy, it is in the days of adversities. The reaction will determine whether or not the supposed Christian wad indeed a Christian. Every Christian knows that life here is temporal. Every Christian has hope of meeting with their loved ones again at resurrection if they all make it. Every Christian knows that, deaths like that doesn't come from God. but God can allow them. Every Christian knows that they did not createtheir loved ones, so don't have rights to demand whether or not they should be taken back home. My Aunty, her husband and their 4 Sons got roasted by fire while sleeping at night. their only daughter escaped death because she was out of town to write Neco. We all survived it. she is in the University now. No depression. she doesn't hate God for killing her parents. because she knows death is not the end. And, she doesn't have any right over her parents or siblings. We shall see them again. Xbee007:You sound like a recovering Alcoholic here. lol. Well, this is the reason why atheists kill. If you are all there is in this world to you, you shd"ve determined your birthday and date. Your gender, race, parentage, tribe, skin colour and the day you'd die. But. alas, when you are hungry you eat whether or not you want to be hungry. when you feel tired you sleep whether or not you want it. And, while asleep, a 5 yrs old child can end your life to show how helpless you are. |
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