paddylo you are still clinging on to this falsehood that capitalism elevates the living standards of the poor - why dont you hear from the horse's mouth what capitalism did to working people in indonesia - here is a documentary created by indonesian workers narrating their experiences at the hands of capitalism perhaps you could learn something :

http://freedocumentaries.org/teatro2.php?filmID=95&lan=en

paddy_lo:

^^
Yawn, Most Indonesians are happy with their countrys place in world history. .
They are a member of the G-20, and have international respect,

There is solid manufacturing, with continueing GDP growth
Unemployment rate is only 7.8%, see link, http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/Unemployment-Rate.aspx?Symbol=IDR

again i will take these figures for Nigeria anyday. .
Imagine Nigeria as a member of the G-20, and unemployment rate @8%.

I dont believe in slogans or ideology, i believe in doing what will bring results
PPl like u claim to love the poor,
but u dont realize the socialist policies u seek will keep them poor for life

what place in world history? - where are you getting your figures from? 70 million people in that country STILL live below the poverty line

paddy_lo:

Pulled another statistic from your a.s.s?

Here are 3 different articles on indonesian poverty. . .
It clearly puts it at around 13%, which is about 32million ppl out of a 226million total,

Also u should know that most G-20 member countries,are doing ok in terms of poverty reduction
That is probably why Nigeria is not a member yet

1.http://sigitarinto.com/2009/03/03/indonesia-poverty-rate-in-2009-estimated-to-drop-by-19-to-135/

2. http://povertynewsblog..com/2009/07/indonesias-poverty-rate-falls.html

3.http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=7925064

paddy_lo:

^^

I know, that article came out in 2006, and i read it, point is poverty is about 13% today,
and if the Govt gives cash payouts to poorer ppl, then its a good thing(i thought u were a socialist,u should be happy )

I really dont know what your agenda is on this topic,
Indonesia is a success story,Its a democracy,
If the people were unhappy they would take to the streets like they are doing in Thailand right now

Asians dont play when it comes to protests,

now lets for the sake of argument even agree that the number of poor stands at a "mere" 32 million - do you think that is acceptable in an economy which according to you serves as a model of the capitalist system to the rest of the "developing" world.

i dont understand why you are posting pictures of downtown jakarta, what does that prove?  why dont  you post pictures of affordable housing, schools and health care facilities for the working people there ? 

i cant understand why you are such an advocate of such right wing ideologies, what stake do you have in a system which is set up to benefit the very few and screw the majority?  i doubt that you are a member of the elite group whose economic policies you vigorously defend and therefore im puzzled as to your outlook.

4Play

why are you posting obscure facts like power supply? The measure of improvement is clearly the increased generator fumes people breathe in - how can you avoid that in your posts?

sulad82i:

Like I said before . this thread is Paddy lo vs, other.
and also
paddy lo is all over the place picking points that sometimes doesnt align with the point he's tryna make. I dont know if you ever think of it that capitalism is modern slavery. The rich guy doesn't have to force you, the law protects him just like the big country can use small ones to make ends meet for their population.

@Paddy_lo's fixation on all things highrise and flashy is not that of developed countries at all. Look at Wilmington DE where most all financial companies are headquartered in the US, you will find that a mild city compared to Chicago, or even NY next door.

paddy_lo:

Companies registering in wilmington DE is primarily a tax and Favorable laws issue,

That is Delaware, makes it very easy for companies to register there
and gives them favorable tax and legal laws and so on. . .

Note the companies dont have to be headquartered there, just register and renew the licensec every yr
The registration its a sort of business on its own and brings tax revenues to delaware

Wilmington has become a national financial center for the credit card industry, largely due to regulations enacted by former Governor Pierre S. du Pont, IV in 1981. The Financial Center Development Act of 1981, among other things, eliminated the usury laws enacted by most states, thereby removing the cap on interest rates that banks may legally charge customers. Many major credit card issuers, including Bank of America (formerly MBNA Corporation), Chase Card Services (part of JPMorgan Chase & Co., formerly Bank One/First USA), and Barclays Bank of Delaware (formerly Juniper Bank), are headquartered in Wilmington. The Dutch banking giant ING Groep N.V. headquartered its U.S. internet banking unit, ING Direct, in Wilmington. The United Kingdom's HSBC has their American operations headquartered in Wilmington. Wilmington Trust is headquartered in Wilmington at Rodney Square. Barclays and ING Direct have very large and prominent locations located along the waterfront of the Christina River. In 1988, the Delaware legislature enacted a law which required a would-be acquirer to capture 85 percent of a Delaware chartered corporation’s stock in a single transaction or wait three years before proceeding. This law strengthened Delaware's position as a safe haven for corporate charters during an especially turbulent time filled with hostile takeovers.

Wilmington's other notable industries include insurance (American Life Insurance Company [ALICO], Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Delaware), retail banking (including the Delaware headquarters of: Wilmington Trust, PNC Bank, Wachovia Bank, JPMorgan Chase, HSBC, Citizens Bank, Wilmington Savings Fund Society, and Artisans' Bank), and legal services. A General Motors plant was closed in 2009.[38] Delaware's only two remaining homegrown 2006 Fortune 1000 companies, E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company and Hercules, both have their global headquarters in downtown Wilmington. This is two less than previous years due to the acquisition of MBNA by Bank of America, and Conectiv through Pepco Holding's subsidiary, Delmarva Power. In addition, the city is the corporate domicile of more than 50% of the publicly traded companies in the United States, and over 60% of the Fortune 500.

They don't have to be, but many of them are right there in wilmington DE and operate from out there. These are some of the largest in the world and yet you do not find the same trend you see in places like NY, Chicago when it comes to skyscrapers.

Wilmington has become a national financial center for the credit card industry, largely due to regulations enacted by former Governor Pierre S. du Pont, IV in 1981. The Financial Center Development Act of 1981, among other things, eliminated the usury laws enacted by most states, thereby removing the cap on interest rates that banks may legally charge customers. Many major credit card issuers, including Bank of America (formerly MBNA Corporation), Chase Card Services (part of JPMorgan Chase & Co., formerly Bank One/First USA), and Barclays Bank of Delaware (formerly Juniper Bank), are headquartered in Wilmington. The Dutch banking giant ING Groep N.V. headquartered its U.S. internet banking unit, ING Direct, in Wilmington. The United Kingdom's HSBC has their American operations headquartered in Wilmington. Wilmington Trust is headquartered in Wilmington at Rodney Square. Barclays and ING Direct have very large and prominent locations located along the waterfront of the Christina River. In 1988, the Delaware legislature enacted a law which required a would-be acquirer to capture 85 percent of a Delaware chartered corporation’s stock in a single transaction or wait three years before proceeding. This law strengthened Delaware's position as a safe haven for corporate charters during an especially turbulent time filled with hostile takeovers.

Wilmington's other notable industries include insurance (American Life Insurance Company [ALICO], Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Delaware), retail banking (including the Delaware headquarters of: Wilmington Trust, PNC Bank, Wachovia Bank, JPMorgan Chase, HSBC, Citizens Bank, Wilmington Savings Fund Society, and Artisans' Bank), and legal services. A General Motors plant was closed in 2009.[38] Delaware's only two remaining homegrown 2006 Fortune 1000 companies, E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company and Hercules, both have their global headquarters in downtown Wilmington. This is two less than previous years due to the acquisition of MBNA by Bank of America, and Conectiv through Pepco Holding's subsidiary, Delmarva Power. In addition, the city is the corporate domicile of more than 50% of the publicly traded companies in the United States, and over 60% of the Fortune 500.

Dude, I live fulltime in Wilmington DE, currently in another city for work. Everyone here knows why Companies choose to incorporate in DE OR NV. However, anyone who lives here in Wilmington know what big finanicial companies are here.  Your argument was that financial companies are found mostly in skyscraper cities and I explained that Wilmington has the presence of many of the same but yet no skyscrapers. Wilmington is a small town? Stop arguing blindly!!

Can u actually show me exactly where and when i said Financial companies are found mostly in skyscraper cities?

I never said that,
Everyone in the USA, knows that the downtown area of any major city has most of the big banks present there
big deal, no-one is argueing that with u. . .

U just decided to bring up delaware, without making much sense, so what if delaware has no skyscrapers
Its still very capitalist in nature. . . .It still gives lax laws to big corporations, so whats your point exactly?

I think you may need to put your ego aside for a minute so you can read that post from the wiki page well!!! I know it is too easy to figure you know it all and so no one else, not even those who live and work for any of the financial companies mentioned on your list can know more than you do.

In addition, the city is the corporate domicile of more than 50% of the publicly traded companies in the United States, and over 60% of the Fortune 500.