naijamini:

Obviously, we have moronic leaders who keep pursuing solutions that are unrelated to the problem. It is one thing to do this with economic management, but another to do so with people's lives.

Nobody seem to have been listening, since over the last few days I have been warning that this thing is going to go kaboom in all of our faces. It is not hard to see if you have your eyes peeled. There have been three incidents since the last attack, which they claimed was retaliation, in which the Fulanis were the culprits. Nigeria is about to meet its waterloo if nothing drastic is done soon. My post yesterday on this topic recommends the following seriousness-showing steps that is now even more urgent:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-433507.0.html#msg5921135


Written by Ahmed Mohammed & Mahmud Lalo, Jos     
Monday, 19 April 2010 23:32   - Daily Trust

Two corpses were recovered by the police command yesterday in Riyom local government area of Plateau State.
Plateau State Public Relations Officer ASP Muhammed Lerama who confirmed the incident said information reaching them revealed that four people went to farm yesterday morning and did not return home which prompted a search team to go looking for them. Though the PPRO said they were yet to have full details of what happened as at the time of filing this story he however said that preliminary report showed that two corpses were discovered while the remaining two were still missing.

Lerama told our reporters that further details of the incident will be made available today.

A resident of the area Mr Pam Daniel said four people were killed by some assailants suspected to be Fulani when they went to farm Monday morning.

Pam said residents became suspicious when the four people did not return from the farm towards the evening which made them to launch a search operation in the company of security men. He said it was late in the evening that the corpses of two people out of the four were discovered; the remaining two were still missing.

Meanwhile, youths in their dozens allegedly blocked Jos-Abuja road in the area harassing motorists passing through to show their grievances over the incident before they were dispersed by the Special Task Force.

Some of your points made sense. I lived in those communities for a sometime and what I understood is that, the people that are always called to address the issues whenever there is religious crises in Jos have no stake in Jos other than their religious interest. Not only that, they have little knowledge of the grievances of each of the warring communities and they always look at them from just religious perspective or from Settler/Indegine perspective.

Take it as a fact, there is no Nigerian, old or small, literate or illeterate that do not have religious sentiments attached to his judgement. The Jos crises have little to do with religious supremacy, rather it is about economy and land dispute and to a larger extends, political aspirations.

The Fulani in Jos have little interest in who is the Governor or who builit which house or what, rather their interest lies in the right of passage and grazing lands. The Hausa and Berom have interest in the economy and the politics. Hence the leadership of both the Berom and Hausa are responsible for the current crises. It is not about being Christain and being Muslim, it is about the Hausa, who are happened to be Muslims and against the Berom, who happened to be Christains.

Arkison:



the Jos crises have little to do with religious supremacy, rather it is about economy and land dispute and to a larger extends, political aspirations.

The Fulani in Jos have little interest in who is the Governor or who builit which house or what, rather their interest lies in the right of passage and grazing lands. The Hausa and Berom have interest in the economy and the politics. Hence the leadership of both the Berom and Hausa are responsible for the current crises. It is not about being Christain and being Muslim, it is about the Hausa, who are happened to be Muslims and against the Berom, who happened to be Christains.

This has been the situation since the beginning of the crises but a lot of people
will hide behind their laptops type rubbish and come up with some biased and
stupid blogs, media men will sit down in Lagos and sell rubbish stories to the consumers
while they know little of what is actually happening.

Arkison:




Some of your points made sense. I lived in those communities for a sometime and what I understood is that, the people that are always called to address the issues whenever there is religious crises in Jos have no stake in Jos other than their religious interest. Not only that, they have little knowledge of the grievances of each of the warring communities and they always look at them from just religious perspective or from Settler/Indegine perspective.

Take it as a fact, there is no Nigerian, old or small, literate or illeterate that do not have religious sentiments attached to his judgement. The Jos crises have little to do with religious supremacy, rather it is about economy and land dispute and to a larger extends, political aspirations.

The Fulani in Jos have little interest in who is the Governor or who builit which house or what, rather their interest lies in the right of passage and grazing lands. The Hausa and Berom have interest in the economy and the politics. Hence the leadership of both the Berom and Hausa are responsible for the current crises. It is not about being Christain and being Muslim, it is about the Hausa, who are happened to be Muslims and against the Berom, who happened to be Christains.

The crisis has religious dimension. General Domkat Bali who himself is on the ground in Jos has said so.

Aisha who is on this forum and who herself has lost family members in this crisis has also said that the problem is a mixture of land, politics, culture and yes Religious domination.

So stop pretending that it has no religious dimension, that pastor who got castrated last week what political party does he belong to? What political party does his wife belong to?

Please let us stop living in denial and resolve this problem honestly. I am not proud of the killers whether they are Christains or Muslims but yes this crisis has religious dimension too.

The General Domkat Bali you are talking about is a hypocrite
because he himself is not a victim but rather part of the powers
behind the problem!!!

baslone:

The General Domkat Bali you are talking about is a hypocrite
because he himself is not a victim but rather part of the powers
behind the problem!!!

And exacly how is he part of the problem if you would kindly explain.

mikeansy:

The crisis has religious dimension. General Domkat Bali who himself is on the ground in Jos has said so.

Aisha who is on this forum and who herself has lost family members in this crisis has also said that the problem is a mixture of land, politics, culture and yes Religious domination.

So stop pretending that it has no religious dimension, that pastor who got castrated last week what political party does he belong to? What political party does his wife belong to?

Please let us stop living in denial and resolve this problem honestly. I am not proud of the killers whether they are Christains or Muslims but yes this crisis has religious dimension too.

I didn't say that there is no religious dimension in the crises, but the root of the crises is not about religion. The muslims in Jos are not killing the Christains to convert them forcefully. Rather political, economic and land disbutes degenerates to fight and unfortunately, the principal actors have predominant religion affiliation that is why it metamorphous into religious crises.


You have mixed up your story. The Pastor who was castrated, it was reported he was castrated in Kano some 20 years ago. Then another Pastor and his wife were killed in Boto in Bauchi State. In both cases, it is regretable that the criminals will go free. It is just unfortunate.

What I do know is that crises like this cannot be solved by continuous killing and they cannot they be solved by religious leaders.  The government always resorth to cheap way of handling crises either: by killing people (militants, terrorist)  or by outsourcing it to traditional or religious leaders. Nigerian leaders and elites, including Domkat Bali, and the general public have this way of simplifying things. And the Jos crises cannot be simplified to religious crises. There have never been any attempt of reconciliation and so the crises will continue.

Everyone is mentioning grazing rights,fertile lands and spring water as the issues at stake. This is a gross misrepresentation cos last time i looked there is no farmland in bukuru market,or main market or other places destroyed by miscreants in Jos. The muslim horde that looted houses and torched them didn't segregate btw berom and non-berom,neither did they spare lives based on ur language. Jos is like a large chess board where the likes of Mantu and Ibb other muslim extremists are making moves. Ask de average hausa/muslim wat he's fightin for in jos and he'll tell u he's from jigawa or bauchi- it's a quest for dominance and nothing more. The hausas in jos are traders,drivers and artisans, not farmers. They're also largely unschooled and impoverished - not our fault. We'll fix Jos but de cost will be dear,on both sides.

someone talked about the step to be taken by Goodluck Jonathan,

but he should remember that these nomadic farmer dont stay in a particular place to talk 2 them u have to use an Helicopter,

Arkison:




The Fulani in Jos have little interest in who is the Governor or who builit which house or what, rather their interest lies in the right of passage and grazing lands. The Hausa and Berom have interest in the economy and the politics. Hence the leadership of both the Berom and Hausa are responsible for the current crises. It is not about being Christain and being Muslim, it is about the Hausa, who are happened to be Muslims and against the Berom, who happened to be Christains.

Couldnn't have summarised it any better.

Niger_d:

someone talked about the step to be taken by Goodluck Jonathan,

but he should remember that these nomadic farmer dont stay in a particular place to talk 2 them u have to use an Helicopter,

bad guy

The inability of all concerned to accept the truth is the cause of the sustained cycle of violence. The JNI and CAN are all part of the problem. The greatest culprit is perhapts the governor who has vowed to implement is berom agenda. He has used the state PRTV to censure any news to his favour. A practical example of this occured on the day of the killing. PRTV was the first media outfit to report at the scene but left witout covering the event, reason being the victims were not Beroms. Only channel news and AIT aired the news. 119 victims were buried in front of all in one mass grave in Dogonahawa, yet the Jang led PRTV gave a ridiculos figure of 500 much to dismay of CP Adoba. When both side inflate figures wat do you expect

Arkison:




Some of your points made sense. I lived in those communities for a sometime and what I understood is that, the people that are always called to address the issues whenever there is religious crises in Jos have no stake in Jos other than their religious interest. Not only that, they have little knowledge of the grievances of each of the warring communities and they always look at them from just religious perspective or from Settler/Indegine perspective.

Take it as a fact, there is no Nigerian, old or small, literate or illeterate that do not have religious sentiments attached to his judgement. The Jos crises have little to do with religious supremacy, rather it is about economy and land dispute and to a larger extends, political aspirations.

The Fulani in Jos have little interest in who is the Governor or who builit which house or what, rather their interest lies in the right of passage and grazing lands. The Hausa and Berom have interest in the economy and the politics. Hence the leadership of both the Berom and Hausa are responsible for the current crises. It is not about being Christain and being Muslim, it is about the Hausa, who are happened to be Muslims and against the Berom, who happened to be Christains.

Thanks Arkison!! Your capacity for original thinking & objectivity is astounding. Pls keep it up!!

Critical thinkers don't engage in groupthink, only insignificant simpeltons does