"Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."
Judges:11:31

"And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter."
Judges:11:34

"And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,"
Judges:11:39

"That the daughters of Israel went yearly to *lament* the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Judges:11:40



Is just me or is this a reference to human sacrifice?

LordVoldermort:
Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
Judges:11:31

"And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter."
Judges:11:34

"And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,"
Judges:11:39

"That the daughters of Israel went yearly to *lament* the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Judges:11:40



Is just me or is this a reference to human sacrifice?

Yes it referred to burnt offering sacrifice using human. It seemed to be the practice with them then that was why Abraham did not think twice about offering his son Isaac. I suspect there are various Gods being worshipped by the israelites at that time and human sacrifice at one point was replaced with animal sacrifice which later was abolished with the human sacrifice of Christ. I believe at each stage and with each Entity they had new method of worship.

delishpot:


Yes it referred to burnt offering sacrifice using human. It seemed to be the practice with them then that was why Abraham did not think twice about offering his son Isaac. I suspect there are various Gods being worshipped by the israelites at that time and human sacrifice at one point was replaced with animal sacrifice which later was abolished with the human sacrifice of Christ. I believe at each stage and with each Entity they had new method of worship.

If that is the case doesn't that make YAHWEH a hypocrite?


"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch."
Deuteronomy:18:10


"But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel."
2 Kings:16:3


And are you really justifying human sacrifice?

LordVoldermort:
If that is the case doesn't that make YAHWEH a hypocrite?


"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch."
Deuteronomy:18:10


"But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel."
2 Kings:16:3


And are you really justifying human sacrifice?

You carry wahala wey person no fit cure o. Did you read me justifying human sacrifice? Did you even read my post at all? Abegi carry your yeye waka go the other side make i see road pass.

Let me invite prominent Christians to explain better *unlike that drug dealer above*

Emmanystone, Butterflyl1on, OLAADEGBU, alBHAGDADI, Ferisidowu

delishpot:


Yes it referred to burnt offering sacrifice using human. It seemed to be the practice with them then that was why Abraham did not think twice about offering his son Isaac. I suspect there are various Gods being worshipped by the israelites at that time and human sacrifice at one point was replaced with animal sacrifice which later was abolished with the human sacrifice of Christ. I believe at each stage and with each Entity they had new method of worship.

You are wrong. Let me address the OP.

God doesn’t accept human sacrifice . He gave alternative plan of redemption for human sacrifice

petra1:
God doesn’t accept human sacrifice . He gave alternative plan of redemption for human sacrifice

but Jesus was human

LordVoldermort:
"Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."
Judges:11:31

"And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter."
Judges:11:34

"And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,"
Judges:11:39

"That the daughters of Israel went yearly to *lament* the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Judges:11:40



Is just me or is this a reference to human sacrifice?

This is the entire verse from verse 31 without skipping any part.

31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.

34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite

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I am sure you have now read through the entire verses. So let's analyse them together shall we?


Firstly it is not necessary to assume that Jephthah ever offered a human sacrifice. First, Jephthah was aware of the law against human sacrifice, and if he had intended to offer a human sacrifice, he would have known this would have been a blatant rejection of God’s law.

Secondly, the text does not actually say he killed his daughter in a sacrificial offering. This is simply inferred by some from the fact that he promised that whatever came out of his house first “shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering” However as Paul indicated, human beings are to be offered to God “as a living sacrifice” (Rom. 12:1), not as dead ones. Jephthah could have offered his daughter to the Lord as a living sacrifice. For the remainder of her life, she would serve the Lord in the temple and remain a virgin.

Third, a living sacrifice of perpetual virginity was a tremendous sacrifice in the Jewish context of that day. As a perpetual virgin dedicated to the service of the Lord, she would not be able to bring up children to continue her father’s lineage. Jephthah acted as a man of honor and great faith in the Lord by not going back on the vow that he had made to the Lord his God.

Fourth, this view is supported by the fact that when Jephthah’s daughter went out to weep for two months, she did not go out to mourn her impending death. Rather, she went out “and bewailed her virginity”

Finally, if she was facing death at the end of the two month period, it would have been very simple for her to marry some young man and live with him for the two months prior to her death. There was no reason for Jephthah’s daughter to mourn her virginity unless she was facing a life of perpetual virginity. Being the only child of Jephthah, his daughter was not mourning her virginity because of any illicit sexual desire.

Why would she focus on mourning her virginity and not her impending death?

From what I presented which is right there in the scriptures in focus, Common sense should give you your answer except you wish to deny that what I have said are not found in those verses of scripture.

Have a good day.

butterflyl1on:


This is the entire verse from verse 31 without skipping any part.


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I am sure you have now read through the entire verses. So let's analyse them together shall we?


Firstly it is not necessary to assume that Jephthah ever offered a human sacrifice. First, Jephthah was aware of the law against human sacrifice, and if he had intended to offer a human sacrifice, he would have known this would have been a blatant rejection of God’s law.

Secondly, the text does not actually say he killed his daughter in a sacrificial offering. This is simply inferred by some from the fact that he promised that whatever came out of his house first “shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering”

You know the Bible forbids adding to the scriptures that text says "as a burnt offering", there's no other option involved that 'up' you added completely manipulated the scriptures

butterflyl1on:



Third, a living sacrifice of perpetual virginity was a tremendous sacrifice in the Jewish context of that day. As a perpetual virgin dedicated to the service of the Lord, she would not be able to bring up children to continue her father’s lineage. Jephthah acted as a man of honor and great faith in the Lord by not going back on the vow that he had made to the Lord his God.

Fourth, this view is supported by the fact that when Jephthah’s daughter went out to weep for two months, she did not go out to mourn her impending death. Rather, she went out “and bewailed her virginity”

Finally, if she was facing death at the end of the two month period, it would have been very simple for her to marry some young man and live with him for the two months prior to her death. There was no reason for Jephthah’s daughter to mourn her virginity unless she was facing a life of perpetual virginity. Being the only child of Jephthah, his daughter was not mourning her virginity because of any illicit sexual desire.

. Most of what you placed here is guesswork the Bible plainly states "And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,"
Judges:11:39

What is his, vow burnt offering

No place where she went to the priest

But okay, anyway good one trying to justify the Bible could go with this (don't really want to provide other human sacrifices)

LordVoldermort:
You know the Bible forbids adding to the scriptures that text says "as a burnt offering", there's no other option involved that 'up' you added completely manipulated the scriptures. Most of you placed here is guesswork the Bible plainly states And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
Judges:11:39

What is his, vow burnt offering

But okay, anyway good one trying to justify the Bible could go with this (don't really want to provide other human sacrifices)

I knew you would miss the truth even when broken down to you the way I did.

Why would someone who was to die be more focused on mourning her virginity?

I need you to answer this? Should she not be mourning her impending death rather?

Plus if she had died and not remained a perpetual virgin, shouldn't the daughters of Israel be mourning her death? Why were they also focused on mourning her virginity and not her death?

38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite

Why would she and her friends be focused ONLY on mourning her virginity and not even a single place did they mourn her impending death?

Again the answer is right there but you deny it.

butterflyl1on:



I knew you would miss the truth even when broken down to you the way I did.

Why would someone who was to die be more focused on mourning her virginity?

I need you to answer this? Should she not be mourning her impending death rather?

Plus if she had died and not remained a perpetual virgin, shouldn't the daughters of Israel be mourning her death? Why were they also focused on mourning her virginity and not her death?



Why would she and her friends be focused ONLY on mourning her virginity and not even a single place did they mourn her impending death?

Again the answer is right there but you deny it.

One question though was he expecting a goat to come out his house to welcome him? She's crying because she never really got to enjoy life

LordVoldermort:
One question though was he expecting a goat to come out his house to welcome him? She's crying because she never really got to enjoy life

Now you are the one adding to the scriptures.

1) Why did she and her friends focus on mourning her virginity and not her impending death?

Were her friends going to suffer with her? So why did they join her in mourning her virginity and why did they not rather leave her to mourn her virginity herself while they mourn her impending death?

Why did ALL OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION MOURN HER VIRGINITY AND NOT HER IMPENDING DEATH.

is virginity worth more than death? Why mourn virginity if you were going to die? Why not rather wail and bemoan your death? Would mourning your virginity prevent your impending death? So why take that seriously so much so that all your friends would want to join you in mourning same?

Again the answer is right in front of you.

butterflyl1on:


Now you are the one adding to the scriptures.

1) Why did she and her friends focus on mourning her virginity and not her impending death?

Were her friends going to suffer with her? So why did they join her in mourning her virginity and why did they not rather leave her to mourn her virginity herself while they mourn her impending death?

Why did ALL OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION MOURN HER VIRGINITY AND NOT HER IMPENDING DEATH.

is virginity worth more than death? Why mourn virginity if you were going to die? Why not rather wail and bemoan your death? Would mourning your virginity prevent your impending death? So why take that seriously so much so that all your friends would want to join you in mourning same?

Again the answer is right in front of you.

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"That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Judges:11:40 okay she sacrificed her virginity, does that stop it from being human sacrifice?

She can't get married have children isn't she as good as dead? Note the judges got married Moses Aaron Eli Samson, isn't it still human sacrifice?

Similar discussion happened here www.nairaland.com/3585458/did-jephthah-actually-burnt-daughter

Christians also tried hard and failed to twist words while googling hard and regurgitating apologist bullsheet as usual

butterflyl1on:



I knew you would miss the truth even when broken down to you the way I did.

Why would someone who was to die be more focused on mourning her virginity?

I need you to answer this? Should she not be mourning her impending death rather?

Plus if she had died and not remained a perpetual virgin, shouldn't the daughters of Israel be mourning her death? Why were they also focused on mourning her virginity and not her death?



Why would she and her friends be focused ONLY on mourning her virginity and not even a single place did they mourn her impending death?

Again the answer is right there but you deny it.

why did he vow a BURNT OFFERING?
afterall he knew it would be a human that would come out of his door.

LordVoldermort:
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"That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Judges:11:40 okay she sacrificed her virginity, does that stop it from being human sacrifice?

She can't get married have children isn't she as good as dead? Note the judges got married Moses Aaron Eli Samson, isn't it still human sacrifice?

So remaining a virgin now translates to human sacrifice?

Remaining celibate for a life time now translates to "human sacrifice "?

It's obvious you are confused.

butterflyl1on:


So remaining a virgin now translates to human sacrifice?

Remaining celibate for a life time now translates to "human sacrifice "?

It's obvious you are confused.

Celibacy that's your choice and you can't be celibate if you haven't had sex this is different definition of sacrifice


sacrifice

NOUN
an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to a deity.
Christ's offering of himself in the Crucifixion.

an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy

Gggg102:



why did he vow a BURNT OFFERING?
afterall he knew it would be a human that would come out of his door.

God and Israel had a covenant based on animal sacrifice and not human sacrifice .

He expected an animal and not a human but since a human was who came to meet him, he still could not go contrary to the covenant of God based on animals but still had to fulfil his vow devoid of death. So he chose to ask the daughter to forfeit her virginity as a fulfilment of this vow. She agreed and decided to mourn it. She was to remain a virgin all her life and her friends joined her in mourning her virginity which if you read that scripture carefully, was actually the thing in focus and no longer her death.

LordVoldermort:
Celibacy that's your choice and you can't be celibate if you haven't had sex this is different definition of sacrifice


sacrifice

NOUN
an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to a deity.
Christ's offering of himself in the Crucifixion.

an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy

I hope you saw the words in bold.

butterflyl1on:


I hope you saw the words in bold.

bros human sacrifice is still sacrifice, especially if you did not choose it yourself

Here's another one
https://www.nairaland.com/3420351/why-did-abrahanic-god-let

butterflyl1on:


God and Israel had a covenant based on animal sacrifice and not human sacrifice .

He expected an animal and not a human but since a human was who came to meet him, he still could not go contrary to the covenant of God based on animals but still had to fulfil his vow devoid of death. So he chose to ask the daughter to forfeit her virginity as a fulfilment of this vow. She agreed and decided to mourn it. She was to remain a virgin all her life and her friends joined her in mourning her virginity which if you read that scripture carefully, was actually the thing in focus and no longer her death.

1) he expected an animal to come to greet him from inside his house
2) even if it was an animal, that means he was going to burn the animal up.
but in your earlier post, you claimed burnt offering meant living sacrifice.
would he have given the animal for life service to the temple

Please for those who would use Samuel as an illustration


Note: Samuel got married

Gggg102:



1) he expected an animal to come to greet him from inside his house
2) even if it was an animal, that means he was going to burn the animal up.
but in your earlier post, you claimed burnt offering meant living sacrifice.
would he have given the animal for life service to the temple?

Lol

[quote author=Gggg102 post=65254430]

1) he expected an animal to come to greet him from inside his house

Yes! Try to first find out how they built or designed their house those days and in that region.

2) even if it was an animal, that means he was going to burn the animal up

Yes! .

but in your earlier post, you claimed burnt offering meant living sacrifice.
would he have given the animal for life service to the temple

No! This is from my first post

Secondly, the text does not actually say he killed his daughter in a sacrificial offering. This is simply inferred by some from the fact that he promised that whatever came out of his house first “shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering” However as Paul indicated, human beings are to be offered to God “as a living sacrifice” (Rom. 12:1), not as dead ones. Jephthah could have offered his daughter to the Lord as a living sacrifice. For the remainder of her life, she would serve the Lord in the temple and remain a virgin.

Because the covenant was with animals he could not redeem it with a human sacrifice because God forbad human sacrifice with Israel but he still had to somehow redeem his vow. So he chose to rather redeem it with servitude and not sacrifice which confirms Romans12:1.

delishpot:


Yes it referred to burnt offering sacrifice using human. It seemed to be the practice with them then that was why Abraham did not think twice about offering his son Isaac. I suspect there are various Gods being worshipped by the israelites at that time and human sacrifice at one point was replaced with animal sacrifice which later was abolished with the human sacrifice of Christ. I believe at each stage and with each Entity they had new method of worship.

Is it what we think and believe or what the Bible says?

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=65254605][/quote]

how did they build their house that allowed them live indoors with livestock



if he did not offer his daughter as an offering, how come the bible says he fulfilled the vow that he made?

I have never thought about that passage like that. I always assumed the sacrifice was for her to be single and celibate.

Gggg102:


how did they build their house that allowed them live indoors with livestock

Those days, houses were built with courtyards in them and a main entry into the courtyard before you enter other rooms by passing through this courtyard.

Some Livestock were kept in this courtyard which doubled as a protective enclosure.

if he did not offer his daughter as an offering, how come the bible says he fulfilled the vow that he made?

Read the scripture again. He fulfilled his vow through offering the daughter in lifelong servitude as a virgin. Which is why her mourn was based on the fact that she would remain a virgin and never marry.

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=65255315]

He fulfilled his vow through offering the daughter in lifelong servitude as a virgin.




I never saw that when I read the story. what I saw was that he fulfilled his vow and the only vow he made was to offer a burnt offering.

The suya loving god!!!