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South Africa Just Voted to Seize Land From White Farmers

South Africa‘s parliament has passed a motion to seize land from white farmers without paying them compensation.

Passed by an overwhelming majority of 241 votes to 83 votes against, the proposal to amend Section 25 of the constitution would allow expropriation of land without any financial recompense.

It was put forward by the radical left Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) party, whose leader Julius Malema told the country's parliament: “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”

Good news if it doesn't end up like Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe failed to mobilize their people to build their own economy. Instead they create criminal mafia that exploited their own people, the thieves benefited from the West's economic sanctions against Zimbabwe and the good people, who are in the majority, suffered. Africa must deal with its criminal class, that is corrupt individuals in high places, they must be pointed out directly, with the names, faces and those who support them. This is the only way to deal with hidden criminal mafias. You have to expose them directly otherwise they just continue on. These scum care not about you talking about them as long as you don't post their faces, home addresses, their family members and those who are involved in corruption with them.

Grow some balls and start cleansing your societies of criminal Africans.

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Ase

Love Sango

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu5CC4V1Qew

White South African farmers will be removed from their land after a landslide vote in parliament

Horus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu5CC4V1Qew

White South African farmers will be removed from their land after a landslide vote in parliament

But SAs Blacks will get no where if they don't remove from power all the criminal mafia Africans. Whites will still dominate through this mafia. We must go further with cleansing the society of sodomite mafia cults created by the European in the colonial days.

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Ase

Love Sango

KingSango:
Zimbabwe failed to mobilize their people to build their own economy. Instead they create criminal mafia that exploited their own people, the thieves benefited from the West's economic sanctions against Zimbabwe and the good people, who are in the majority, suffered. Africa must deal with its criminal class, that is corrupt individuals in high places, they must be pointed out directly, with the names, faces and those who support them. This is the only way to deal with hidden criminal mafias. You have to expose them directly otherwise they just continue on. These scum care not about you talking about them as long as you don't post their faces, home addresses, their family members and those who are involved in corruption with them.

Grow some balls and start cleansing your societies of criminal Africans.

Why do you think that the situation will be similar to Zimbabwe in South Africa?

Horus:


Why do you think that the situation will be similar to Zimbabwe in South Africa?

First lady Grace mobbed up with her family members to run Zimbabwe.


Dutch families set up mafia and had many Africans of that area Zulus and Xhoas and others to also be apart of the criminal mafia, the main one of the was Zuma. In the US it's Obama, Farrakhan, Oprah, and some very wealthy families like the Johnson family.

ASE

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Horus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEH-BRr97uw

South Africa Just Voted to Seize Land From White Farmers

South Africa‘s parliament has passed a motion to seize land from white farmers without paying them compensation.

Passed by an overwhelming majority of 241 votes to 83 votes against, the proposal to amend Section 25 of the constitution would allow expropriation of land without any financial recompense.

It was put forward by the radical left Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) party, whose leader Julius Malema told the country's parliament: “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”

Its about time they did this

morpheus24:


Its about time they did this

can't the government just find another land for the people and let peace reign?

Whites own most of the arable land in South Africa, but the Afrikaners, like the displaced white Zimbabwean farmers, claim that they made the land arable and there's plenty of land to go around if the blacks work on the land rather than looking for ready-made arable land that has been tilled for generations.

To be honest, these are dangerous times for South Africa, and while it might feel a "righteous" redress of a historical wrong to go around seizing white people's farms which generations of their families devoted everything to tilling, it is not a prudent course of action and they will come to regret the capital flight, instability, loss of experienced, productive manpower and technical know-how and the racial tensions that will be resurrected after the post-apartheid "reconciliation". International condemnation, international sanctions and international pariah status will follow too. The US and British media have highlighted this threat and are watching very closely.

Move on from the past. Many are finding all sorts of reasons why their case will be different from Zimbabwe, but the cynic in me is 99% certain they'll be far worse off for it.

omololu2020:
can't the government just find another land for the people and let peace reign?

If you look at their history , these arable lands were seized from communities that resided on them, therefore the need to return them back.

They tried the willing buyer, willing seller idea that Zimbabwe had initiated but that is just a delay tactic by the White monopoly power structure.
The Western cape has tried a different strategy of slowly incorporating the workers into land ownership swaps but this again is very slow and does not create the necessary economic effect on the disenfranchised class, so why not try this.

THe white monopoly powers are spinning this as another Zimbabwe but the dynamics are different and This is not necessarily an infringement on property rights but an equalization of past advantages given to people who believed they were divinely endowed with the "skills" to manage land better than the natives.

Obi1kenobi:
Whites own most of the arable land in South Africa, but the Afrikaners, like the displaced white Zimbabwean farmers, claim that they made the land arable and there's plenty of land to go around if the blacks work on the land rather than looking for ready-made arable land that has been tilled for generations.

To be honest, these are dangerous times for South Africa, and while it might feel a "righteous" redress of a historical wrong to go around seizing white people's farms which generations of their families devoted everything to tilling, it is not a prudent course of action and they will come to regret the capital flight, instability, loss of experienced, productive manpower and technical know-how and the racial tensions that will be resurrected after the post-apartheid "reconciliation". International condemnation, international sanctions and international pariah status will follow too. The US and British media have highlighted this threat and are watching very closely.

Move on from the past. Many are finding all sorts of reasons why their case will be different from Zimbabwe, but the cynic in me is 99% certain they'll be far worse off for it.

I do not see the "righteous" argument here. This is more an economic issue than a righteous one. Land ownership is economic power and a powerful means of production, what is wrong in returning the Land and setting up leases with so called expert farmers to come use the land "efficiently' and create a profit sharing scheme.

On the part of your loss of experienced hands and technical know how, why don't these experts device ways of selling their technological know how to the highest bidder, market their knowledge and still control certain aspects of production. They want to own it all.

How can 5 million people in a country of 50 million own 87% of the arable land. Does that make any sense to you?

morpheus24:


I do not see the "righteous" argument here. This is more an economic issue than a righteous one. Land ownership is economic power and a powerful means of production, what is wrong in returning the Land and setting up leases with so called expert farmers to come use the land "efficiently' and create a profit sharing scheme.

On the part of your loss of experienced hands and technical know how, why don't these experts device ways of selling their technological know how to the highest bidder, market their knowledge and still control certain aspects of production. They want to own it all.

How can 5 million people in a country of 50 million own 87% of the arable land. Does that make any sense to you?

Africa has about 600 million hectares of uncultivated arable land, an incredible 60% of the global total. I'm not sure of the exact figures for South Africa specifically, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was like Zimbabwe where basically, the land that white farmers spent generations tilling and making fertile was the land coveted by Mugabe's goons even though millions of acres of arable land not held by white farmers lay fallow.

It's interesting that Africans have no problems with the ancient conquests of their ancestors (like how Shaka forged the Zulu nation), but white conquest is a guilt that white people must live with for eternity. Bantus are as much migrants to South Africa (from East and West Africa) as white settlers. Infact, white settlers arrived the Cape Colony in great numbers at a time it was barely inhabited by the Bantus (mostly Khoisans were found there). Friction came as the whites moved further North. I do not believe that there is some kind of "entitlement" to those lands, as if they were thriving agricultural hubs before the whites took over them and I do not buy that it "belongs" to the blacks.

Look, I love to cite the success of Jewish people a lot when black people embrace the safety blanket that their only obstacle to progress is all the sins that whites have committed against them. Anyone who has studied what the Jewish people went through in Europe, while still thriving amidst disenfranchisement, discrimination and suppression that ultimately led to their near extinction in the Holocaust, and seen how they thrive today would just move on from the dark days of history.

If South Africa execute this, they will pay for it and they will regret it. I don't have a shred of doubt in my mind. They need to move on from their apartheid trauma if Julius Malema is not to lead them off a cliff. Those were very ugly days, but a modern race war is not going to help them.

Obi1kenobi:


Africa has about 600 million hectares of uncultivated arable land, an incredible 60% of the global total. I'm not sure of the exact figures for South Africa specifically, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was like Zimbabwe where basically, the land that white farmers spent generations tilling and making fertile was the land coveted by Mugabe's goons even though millions of acres of arable land not held by white farmers lay fallow.

60% is the correct number for Arable land in Africa in total

As far as South Africa is concerned 87% of the most arable land is in the hands of the settler population even though they are a minority in number. That's not sensible, that's not right and that's not justice any which way you want to spin it.

You forget to narrate the reason Mugabe resulted to forced overtaking of land when the Lancaster agreements willing buyer, willing seller proposal was ignored and snubbed at by the British government that supported it in the first place.

Obi1kenobi:

It's interesting that Africans have no problems with the ancient conquests of their ancestors (like how Shaka forged the Zulu nation), but white conquest is a guilt that white people must live with for eternity. Bantus are as much migrants to South Africa (from East and West Africa) as white settlers. Infact, white settlers arrived the Cape Colony in great numbers at a time it was barely inhabited by the Bantus (mostly Khoisans were found there). Friction came as the whites moved further North. I do not believe that there is some kind of "entitlement" to those lands, as if they were thriving agricultural hubs before the whites took over them and I do not buy that it "belongs" to the blacks.

This is the historical narrative aspoused by the Afrikaner settlers, its historical inaccurate.

Point 1. There were no mass conquests of lands in Africa by Tribal groups in antiquity. Shaka's conquest was more of an absorbing of the tribes he conquered into the Zulu nation, in reality the smaller tribes were already distant relatives of the Nguni's. He simply amalgamated them into one group. White settlers were far more brutal and unjust, driven by the then notion of these groups as having some sort of divine right to conquer the world, they were brute in their taking over of lands north of the cape.

There is contention with the notion of the time frame of the arrival of Bantu groups into South Africa. For certain they did not inhabit the Western cape colonies in mass but to the east, North east and what is kinda of central South Africa smaller groups are likely to have inhabited those areas along with the nomadic San people. There is significant interbreeding that is evident among the bantu and the san peoples of South Africa which likewise legitimizes their rights to the land as well in addition to Colored groups in the western and Northern capes who have Khoi ancestry as well, so technically speaking all "black" people including the Khoisan who are also "black" people constitute the original peoples of Southern Africa who inhabited lands in that area therefore collectively have a claim to the lands, especially the Arable parts.

Obi1kenobi:

Look, I love to cite the success of Jewish people a lot when black people embrace the safety blanket that their only obstacle to progress is all the sins that whites have committed against them. Anyone who has studied what the Jewish people went through in Europe, while still thriving amidst disenfranchisement, discrimination and suppression that ultimately led to their near extinction in the Holocaust, and seen how they thrive today would just move on from the dark days of history.

If South Africa execute this, they will pay for it and they will regret it. I don't have a shred of doubt in my mind. They need to move on from their apartheid trauma if Julius Malema is not to lead them off a cliff. Those were very ugly days, but a modern race war is not going to help them.

In my humble opinion, it is not a race war, its the righting of an injustice, you cannot erase that. Its a reparations package which the Jewish people I might add got.

Again you cannot have 87% of arable land in the hands of less than 10% of the population when it was acquired unjustly. Conquest of lands is not an excuse not to hand it back to who had first rights on it. That is Ludacris. In the end this is an economics issue and not an issue of if black people hate white people or anything having to do with White guilt, those are emotional distractions.

Give the land to the owners, if they mishandle it, fine. They can contract back white people to come fix it for them and create a profit sharing scheme where the blacks get royalties from the use of the land and the "experts get compensated for their operations of the land.

Shikena

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Whites need to get out of South Africa by sundown

Nonsense. They just need to redistribute the land. Every place needs human diversity to survive, those Europeans still have connections to back home, this is where they are shipping all the food grown in fertile South Africa. Instead of sending them all away, cut them in, give them a share and make sure the process remains fair as it wasn't in the past hundred some years. Uganda under Pres. Ide Amin made the mistake of kicking all the Indians and Asians out of the country which hurt the economy in the long term. Those Indians and Asians were skilled and adept at operating certain technologies, factories and other trade that fueled Uganda economy worldwide. Pres. Museveni had to invite the Indians and Asians back and literally had to reassure them that they were needed in Uganda. Every place exists with diversity of talent, skill, connections and resources. Racism is an Illuminati lie. Even ancient African empires had diversity. They lie when they tell you that ancient empires didn't have diversity. I know there's bitterness there in SA and anger worldwide of Africans but don't fall into the sentimental trap.

Allow the Europeans who are peaceful to stay, those who bought their farms recently and didn't steal it let them keep their lands under government control. Use the money to improve the defence of the SA Blacks so they can in future defend themselves against any European aggression.


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Love Sango

This thread title is incorrect & is nothing but scare mongering. SA Parliament has started the process of amending the constitution, which may lead to all land owners (black & white) transferring their ownership to the state, and signing long term leases. Most white farmers are going nowhere, some with massive properties may be asked to share, and some with historic claims on that land may be asked to move to another area. Don't confuse SA with Zimbabwe.