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Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Chukazu: 1:18pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Stingman: End of discussion.! That's one thing FULANi slave Masters and their servants never consider 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 1:21pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
joudini: Scumbag! you are not even bold enough to quote me. So you don't know that in Unity schools, Students from Anambra are more than students from Zamfara? the joke is on your dumb ass. 'Unity' schools are founded on the basis of unity just like 'world' cup, diversity is the aim. If not, teams like saudi arabia, iran, new Zealand would never qualify for world cup. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by 0monnak0da: 1:24pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: He wants Northerners completely eliminated from the schools |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Stingman: 1:24pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: Not true. If it were, why is that the northerners are everywhere in DSS, Police, Army, Airforce, Immigration, EFCC, Customs, NNPC, etc, etc...and also why is it only the northerners that head those organization? Why do they retire other people from other regions and allow only those from the north to get to the top positions? Of the 36 state police commissioners how many are from the eastern region for instance? Is it not the reason why the easterners make it to the top, globally, but hardly in Nigeria...despite having better qualifications. Remember we are talking of our country here, not any apartheid discriminatory country. 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 1:24pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
QuotaSystem: Those guys are just too dumb. they believe in propaganda than reality. I know every state has it's own quota for recruitment military. 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 1:27pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Stingman: How do you know that? did you carry out any census on their number? or you bae your info on the ones you see on the street. I know Obasanjo introduced Quota system and federal character into military recruitment. Before, Southerners, especially Yorubas don't like working in the force until recently. Wait till the old ones retire. those positions easterners excel globally are based on quota too. The ICC president was elected on quota because he's representing Nigeria there. Okonjo and the rest in the wolrd bank are also representing Nigeria. They are all there on QS. The senator was elected so because the party wants to be seen as not racist. If you follow the news, you would know that the party has been always criticized for its racist stand. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Stingman: 1:28pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
bamoski: There is nothing you will beleive, except whayt Buhari says: You will still deny it even if UNICEF say you are malnorished and facing starvation.... According to her, statistics showed that 37 per cent of children representing over six million are malnourished. She disclosed that the 17.2 million figure represents 43.6 per cent of an estimated 40 million Nigerian children under the age of five years, adding that 19.4 per cent children in the South-west are stunted resulting from malnourishment. “This is worse than the South-east and South-south but better than the North. And we must do more as agenda setters to keep this issue on national discourse and help reverse the ugly trend,” she said. http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2018/02/27/17-2m-nigerian-children-suffer-from-stunted-growth-unicef-says/ 1 Like
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Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 1:31pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
0monnak0da: I just tire for these greedy fools. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Stingman: 1:31pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: How do I know that? lol Go to seme border, NNPC, military barracks, Police...the lingua franca could just be Hausa.... 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by dinggle: 1:33pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Instead of the north to admit students with 2, 4 , 6, 7 points they can do the right thing and invest in education to prop up their students....e.g after school lessons...etc... The system should be revised. How can we advance when we have people of lesser intelligence ruling us? Same people wont allow regional system of govt, to enable us advance as a region since we cant advance as a country. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Chukazu: 1:37pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: You were the one that brought the issue of quota by UEFA . Like I mentioned earlier, there are a whole lot of things we can do to increase school enrollment in the North, not quota system. 1.We need to address unsustainable population explosion( our birth rate must be in tandem with available resources and projected growth.) 2. religious beliefs as a barrier to Western Education has to be addressed.(you know the meaning of Boko Haram) 3. The Sense of entitlement of using politics to control resources and rule the rest of the country has to be checked.-- Northerners will do anything to manipulate election figures and census figures to their advantage but do little to invest in Education. I remember a particular year that an Emir in the North told parents not to allow their wards to be immunized against Polio , his reason been that "the West wanted to reduce the population of the North" That is how daft our leaders can be |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:38pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: That's a pretty silly analogy. To bring back professionalism, competence, efficiency and any semblance of meritocracy and prestige to our Federal institutions, the majority of intakes must be subject to rigorous, fair selection criteria and then perhaps a small percentage (like 30%) may be devoted to assist the educationally disadvantaged areas (disadvantages that they brought on themselves). Constituents/indigenes of some states needing grades of between 60% to 70%, while some states can barely scratch 10% is an absurd mockery of the system. Further making the system unwieldy and self-destructive is the fact that for decades, this quota system has yielded no results in bridging the significant education gap between the North and South. Disadvantaged states in the South like Ebonyi have made significant progress, but many of the core North states have made no evident progress after decades of quota systems and federal character. The gap remains as wide as ever, so what is the point? If they are not willing to go to school, it's not the end of the world. There are plenty of trades and professions requiring little education. Dangote is not exactly a professor. 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by maasoap(m): 1:38pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Throwback:Too much sense. Tell them, lecture them. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by maasoap(m): 1:40pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:So, you would prefer the gap to be widened through unfair general cutoff mark? |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 1:44pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: How is it a silly analogy? 'Unity schools' are aimed at bringing students from every corner of Nigeria together just like NYSC to foster unity. If you use merit, only southerners would be in the schools. If the 'World cup' is based on merit, only European and south Americans would qualify, thus the aim would be defeated. Unity schools are about 0.001% of schools in Nigeria. How will it undermine the educational standards of the easterners? You guys need to understand an issue before criticizing. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by SouthEastFacts: 1:45pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
We are not complaining Ohaneze, don't drag us backward. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 1:46pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Chukazu: These are the issues you should address instead of bringing unity schools into the discussion. we are discussing unity schools here. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by maasoap(m): 1:48pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
luvinhubby:A judge recalled him, pure and simple. If the police refused to comply with with judgement that included promotion and payment of backlog of arrears, the man would still go back to court. Police authorities have got no options than to comply. Now, go back to the case and judge's verdicts, you will understand what went wrong with the case that led to the acquittal of that policeman. It was unfortunate that he was freed, the judge had no choice. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:53pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
maasoap: No. I want students, military recruits, graduates and professionals who merit it, to get what they deserve. It is absolutely no one's fault if Zamfara people chose to lead the way in bringing Sharia Law to the country instead of investing in the education of their children. That is their choice and they are entitled to it and they have to face its consequences. The rest of the country don't have to be punished for it. I speak personally because I had friends from UNN who was selected for this scholarship: https://www.nairaland.com/2271118/pressid-2015-2016-list-successful It was discontinued when Buhari's administration came in, leaving many scholars stranded: http://punchng.com/from-best-brain-scholarship-beneficiaries-to-traumatised-students-nigerias-first-class-graduates-recall-tale-of-woe/ Why? Because in how many years of Jonathan attempting to run a Presidential scholarship for innovation and development strictly on merit, no single core Northerner from the NW and NE could make a list of 100 people selected through a fair, rigorous criterion. So as usual, the Northerners ensured they killed it. How the hell can a country continue to be in thrall to such absurdities of a group always demanding quotas. 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by maasoap(m): 1:53pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Chukazu:Talking from both sides of the mouth. North didn't manipulate election and census figures, they simply got population as attested to it by you. What happened was that they simply decided not to massively vote for PDP in 2015. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Chukazu: 1:57pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: I don't understand your reasoning . Panama belongs to A FIFA FEDERATION(CONCACAF) that has only 3 representation in World cup and you compare them to ITALY that belongs to a FEDERATION (UEFA) THAT HAS about a whopping 16 and you still asking why PANAMA got a slot ARSENAL belongs to a country (England) that has 4 champions league slot and BASIKTAS belongs to Turkey that has 2 champions league slot you still asking why they are allowed to be in the competition? Cant you see a question of competition driven Arsenal and Italy out and and merit keeping Panama and BASIKTAS? Is that too difficult? 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by mercyville: 1:59pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: I am not Ibo but Ibos are my friends.I knock their flat heads on anything in sight...lol. Omoluabi ni mi.I support scrapping of the obnoxious quota system which favours one part over the other.Are we going to continue like this in this country?Have you ever tried walking with a half ton tied to your leg? |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:59pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: They named them "Unity schools" as Northern propaganda. I grew up simply knowing them as Federal Schools. Nobody claimed it undermines the educational standard of others. Unity schools give quality education at an affordable price, which is why many people from across the country want to send their kids there. When someone from Anambra or Imo or Ogun who scores 65% is unable to get admission in such a school, the parents might resort to either very expensive private schools they can barely afford or affordable, but substandard private schools. That is the effect. Again, your World Cup analogy is just silly. World Cup qualifications are regional based to make the qualifiers manageable in number of matches played and geographical travel. Else, over 200 countries will be playing each other home and away. It has nothing to do with a "quota system". 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by maasoap(m): 2:00pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:Don't bring scholarships offered by Jonathan's administration here. That includes Youwin and other appointments into the Federal parastatals. They all had fraud and favouritism written over them. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:06pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
maasoap: You don't have one shred of evidence for this claim. You simply somehow presumed that anytime Northerners do not get their quotas, that it must be due to favouritism. Which is nonsense. Northerners in terms of appointments and recruitments are far more nepotistic and tribalistic than Southerners and this abomination of an administration proves it again and again, not even bothering to hide it with the subtlety of other administrations. 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by joudini(m): 2:07pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
It's no wonder that the beneficiary of this unjust imposition by a government that should have merit and justice as it's watch world for growth and development will be the first to resist regionalism so that every region would be responsible for it's success and failure. It's no wonder that despite the rulers of this country being majorly from a particular section, their region is still the poorest, most diseased, most repressed and the most uneducated. Of what use then is the acclaimed power? Hahahahaha. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by 0monnak0da: 2:10pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
QuotaSystem:The day has not yet come when an Aboki would lecture me you do not have the range or depth. Whatever you might think you have achieved academically you would be a poor ersatz by my side so do not go there. What you said is still there. Clear as mud. If we accept that people are not intrinsially inferior then ultimately it all ust come down to culture. We are educationally backward in Nigeriia, you asserted earlier. That must be relative to somewhere else. . I argue that that too is down to culture. That international differencee though is no where near the intranational difference that we have in Nigeria( i.e. North/South). Yet for decades the chief Justice of Nigeria has been from the Nortth. Does this reflect the graduation data from our law school or quality?. Even such discriminatory practice as well as quota systems etc are all part of CULTURE ,if you don't know. The cultural issues that produce backwardness educationally for Nigeria are quite different from those in the North though they act synergistically to produce the profound backwardness that we see in the North. The academic mindset in the south is competitive from day one. If you see a southerner in a British University 9 times out of 10 he is hustling whereas a Northerner is there on scholarship or because he has rich parents. A northerner who achieves a PhD is celebrated and a celebrity not so down south. Fury and bluster will not change this and the quota system only makes you lazy. I have been to school with Southerners and Northerners and yes there are 1 or two from the North who I have met outside Nigeria,again one or two, in academia but also I have met hundreds of Ibos and Yorubas etc. And even when I do meet such Northerners usually they are Kwara,Kogi and such like.Yes there are a few from further up north but none of them has excelled more than southerners and this again ,I believe, is cultural. This is what Ohanaeze are bitter about and using the Unity school issue as a proxy battleground for. I believe Unity schools should be sequestrated from the quota system debate but the reality is if we ran a genuine meritocracy over 80%of Northerners in FG elmpoyent cannot be there To that extent the North is holding the country back I do not need to Google Sanusi and his procured award Telll me any other banker from the US Germany etc who has such reputation. Bankers are conservative by nature ,They do not do OSCARS so in the case of Sanusi rather than focus on his bogus award. Tell us in a very short sentence ONE THING SANUSI ACHIEVED JUST ONE 1 Like |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 2:20pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: If they want it based on merit, they could have used FIFA ranking. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 2:25pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Chukazu: Again, if it is based on best teams in Europe based on current form, only teams from five European countries would be playing in the champions league. It doesn't seem unfair to you that Italy, Holland etc are not going to the world cup but Saudi Arabia, Panama etc are going to be playing? But you fail to realize that a child from Anambra and Zamfara are not from the same states. And Anambra has more slots than zamfara and Yobe in the Unity schools. LOL. You want the schools to be filled with only southerners. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:28pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Firstpage: If you have no other argument other than drawing parallels between a serious, consequential national issue of policy and football, stop wasting my time. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by Firstpage: 2:35pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: If you are really not biased, check my previous posts. QS is everywhere in the world. but you only cry when you are on the downside. Do you think Okonjo Iweala became vp of world bank based on merrit or the new ICC president was elected on merrit? or the elected senator in Italy based on his competence. LOL. They are all filling a quota. But you won't understand. |
Re: Ohanaeze Faults Fg’s Cut-off Mark Disparity In Unity Schools by 0monnak0da: 2:38pm On Mar 13, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:Maybe you grew up later than they were established. They have always been Unity Schools. I do not think they still give quality education anyore but that is another issue. You mention affordable so let us talk about money. It is not the Federal government's responsibility to provide secondary education but rather the state Government's .As such the total roportion of secondary pupils in these schools is less that 0.001% of the total. Let us assume that the entire thing was run on merit and the entire cohort comes from one state then this would aount to an FG scholarship for those states. That would mark a strong departure fro the underlying philosohpy and also a departure of the FG from its role which is NOT to rovide secondary education. The FG therefore can only be involved in Secondary education in LIMITED(scale) and EXCEPTIONAL( purpose) circustances. The arguent would be that every state in the country has an "allocation" or pot of money that goes into these schools. If that were to be the case that pot of money should not be transferred to those states with more able pupils but retained in the states it was intended for.If this is too hard to swallow then states can opt out and deand their share of the pot . As long as they are Federal Government funded that should be the case. If we say we want a Federal Institute of Excellence for our brightest and Best. That is an entirely different argument and phlosophy and of course would entail discussion about where the money for that comes from. What you must realise is education is not onlyy about book knowledge. Why should that money not go into the education of shoemakers or tailors etc. The issue is not as simple as taking a common entrance exa and scoring high marks.Though we all know about the cheating involved in that that is not the issue. Our system must be fair to everyone. |
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