Martinez19:
I opened this thread to point out the truth about a particular tactic that many churches, particularly MFM, are fond of.

enilove:


You are saying what you don't know. There are Thousands of churches b4 MFM that could have used such tactics if it could work.

Do you think you are wiser than millions of the members of MFM , who can tell you categorically that God of MFM is not imaginary but real ?

Seeing is believing , I am a testifier that God is real.

If you have the time , go to MFM prayer city , along Ibadan Express way , on any Monday morning . You will see at least 1000 people who are there for deliverance, go to where those with mental problems are , Identify them and go back on Thursday to confirm their state of mind .
You don't need to stay there throughout the week. Go on Monday morning to identify those with problems and go back on Thursday morning to see whether God is real or not.
Very simple. You can then come here and talk from your own experience.

The church has no business with telling the govt where chibok girls are kept and so on. Religion is not politics.

Tozara:
How would such occurrence, if it's true, invalidate my assertion that we merely don't understand the MECHANISM behind it which certainly must exist?

"Supernatural" things become natural the moment we understand the mechanism behind them. There's nothing supernatural. There is only ignorance!

But of course, all extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So, if such were reported to have happened, it would take a hell lot to convince me, because it's so uncommon and rare it would probably be the first of its kind.

Even if I happened to be a witness, I would still carry out my investigations and scrutinize it to destruction, because the human senses are pretty easy to fool.

Dalam0n:


Is this a joke or what? Reinhard Bonke himself is evidence that he is a fraud. He has eye problems and uses corrective lenses. If he is real why can he cure himself and get rid of his eye medicated eye glasses without which he can't see clearly?

Charity begins at home they say. He claims too heal other but he himself is badly in need of healing.

These guys are crazy. No body listens to him in his native Germany, the only people that listen to him are deluded Africans.

CuteMadridista:
They do "Indirectly" tackle those problems but try hard to make it as indirect as possible so they have a soft landing

There's a joke I heard about dermatology that "dermatology is the perfect specialty, since 'patients never get well, never die, and never call at night.' " and that saying also applies to MFM

I watched a couple of DK Olukoya preachings and I read "Fire in the word" a couple of times when I had a MFM friend. I noticed rather than pray against real life problems, Olukoya would preach that those problems are caused by spirit of ancestors and father's house or some village enemies or some spirit boss or some demon somewhere, Olukoya is a very intelligent orator when he's through preaching and he's succeeded in convincing his congregation that spiritual entities are responsible for the problem, they'll spend a chunk of the next hour praying for those entities to die. "You evil spirit of my Father's house that is preventing me from getting my blessings. what are you waiting for? Die! Die!! Die!!!" and similar prayer points

Now back to the dermatology joke. since these enemies MFM members are praying against are invisible, intangible and undetectable by all physical senses they can never know if those enemies really died so they need to keep praying and this statistically favours Olukoya as common sense would show that if 3Million MFM members are suffering from poverty, a few hundreds would get out of the poverty whether they prayed or not. Now those hundreds would then give testimonies and garnish it with lies, half truths and post hoc to claim a particular prayer point was responsible for their breakthrough. this encourages the over 2Million members who the prayer didn't work for to keep praying as they assume their enemy might be stronger than that of those giving testimonies there's really no end in sight so they keep praying and hoping someday their enemy dies due to the incessant prayers. How would they know when this enemy is dead? When they're out of poverty or whenever they find the solution to the problem they're going through

Martinez19:
Though this tactics isn't only employed by MFM but MFM is a classic example of this tactics.

You never see MFM pastors or Dr. Olukoya tackling real life situation like cancer, amputees, telling exactly where chibok girls are or hiv instead they go for more abstract and psychological issues ( issues that only exists in the mind of the members). You see them dwelling on issues like spirit spouse, spirit of delay in this or that, spirit of this or that. This is more effective than tackling real physical problems because imaginary gods can only tackle imaginary and abstract enemies.

CuteMadridista:
They do "Indirectly" tackle those problems but try hard to make it as indirect as possible so they have a soft landing

There's a joke I heard about dermatology that "dermatology is the perfect specialty, since 'patients never get well, never die, and never call at night.' " and that saying also applies to MFM

I watched a couple of DK Olukoya preachings and I read "Fire in the word" a couple of times when I had a MFM friend. I noticed rather than pray against real life problems, Olukoya would preach that those problems are caused by spirit of ancestors and father's house or some village enemies or some spirit boss or some demon somewhere, Olukoya is a very intelligent orator when he's through preaching and he's succeeded in convincing his congregation that spiritual entities are responsible for the problem, they'll spend a chunk of the next hour praying for those entities to die. "You evil spirit of my Father's house that is preventing me from getting my blessings. what are you waiting for? Die! Die!! Die!!!" and similar prayer points

Now back to the dermatology joke. since these enemies MFM members are praying against are invisible, intangible and undetectable by all physical senses they can never know if those enemies really died so they need to keep praying and this statistically favours Olukoya as common sense would show that if 3Million MFM members are suffering from poverty, a few hundreds would get out of the poverty whether they prayed or not. Now those hundreds would then give testimonies and garnish it with lies, half truths and post hoc to claim a particular prayer point was responsible for their breakthrough. this encourages the over 2Million members who the prayer didn't work for to keep praying as they assume their enemy might be stronger than that of those giving testimonies there's really no end in sight so they keep praying and hoping someday their enemy dies due to the incessant prayers. How would they know when this enemy is dead? When they're out of poverty or whenever they find the solution to the problem they're going through

Dalam0n:


Is this a joke or what? Reinhard Bonke himself is evidence that he is a fraud. He has eye problems and uses corrective lenses. If he is real why can he cure himself and get rid of his eye medicated eye glasses without which he can't see clearly?

Charity begins at home they say. He claims too heal other but he himself is badly in need of healing.

These guys are crazy. No body listens to him in his native Germany, the only people that listen to him are deluded Africans.

CuteMadridista:


Is OP wrong about MFM's tactics? if you answer yes to that then set OP aright rather than quoting irrelevant verses

asuustrike2009:

Op needs deliverance. There are demons using him

Martinez19:
oya take this prayer point. Any spirit of________(insert whatever is your problem), what are you waiting for?, are you mad?, diiieeee!

Die, die, die, die, die (shake your head vigorously from left to right, don't mind if you will loose it to the wind), die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die.

In yesuz name I have prayed. Oya go and sleep.

Ranchhoddas:
Perhaps treating personal eye problems isn't part of his skill set?

Why do you assume that a person who is able to heal others should be able to heal himself?

asuustrike2009:

That is because he is not the healer but Jesus.

Ranchhoddas:
Sounds like you are hedging your bets.
Do you think it's possible for a crippled man to get healed at a church crusade?

enilove:
It is an agent of darkness that derives joy in pulling down the church of God.

If you are a better christian , go out there and help the lost souls and not post things that would discredit the churches and increase souls going to hell.

Don't forget :

Matthew 12:35-36 KJV
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
[36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Stop doing the work of the devil for the devil.

Martinez19:
Tozara was right. I overrated human intelligence. I will not make that mistake ever in my life. The confidence and arrogance of human stupidity and ignorance is baffling. SMH

THE EARLIER WE ALL REALIZE AND ACCEPT THIS, THE BETTER.

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THE EARLIER WE ALL REALIZE AND ACCEPT THIS, THE BETTER.

Dalam0n:


So Jesus loves seeing his son with deformity abi?

asuustrike2009:

Jesus doesn't but he has given man the power to change things

Dalam0n:


Reinhard Bonke claims to have that power but he can not use it to help himself. Instead he relies on corrective lenses to aid his poor eyes sight . Charity begins at home they say. He should help himself first before helping others.

asuustrike2009:

To set the records straight, Reinhard Bonke doesn't have power.

Dalam0n:


Reinhard Bonke claims to have that power but he can not use it to help himself. Instead he relies on corrective lenses to aid his poor eyes sight . Charity begins at home they say. He should help himself first before helping others.

Dalam0n:


He claims he does. But even if he doesn't, the Jesus that has it enjoys sering him suffering with his eye defect abi?

asuustrike2009:

He doesn't have power. That is misconception many Christians and non Christians have. The owner of the power is God. God uses his servants ( pastors) to change things on earth. Jesus doesn't enjoy his servants suffering. Whatever happens to his servants is for a possible. There is a reason for that.

asuustrike2009:

You need deliverance.

enilove:



I don't need to correct him.

You should ask yourself what the Op intent was for opening the thread.

Ishilove:
Emmanystone, bia negodu fvckery

Ishilove:
Emmanystone, bia negodu fvckery