I ask this question because Jews reject Jesus, and by extension, christianity, simply because they cannot identify with what Jesus supposedly stood for and what he preached.
Most Non-christians and athiest also reject christianity and the apostolic doctrine simply because of the visible contradictions concerning the loving and merciful god of Jesus and the wrathful, bloodthirsty ,deceitful and error prone god of the hebrews.
It appears that these contradictions were not just apparent to non-believers , but also to high ranking members of the early christian clergy.

Marcion of Sinope(c.85-c160) was one such high ranking clergy who tried to distance early christianity and its merciful loving god from the scandal- ridden tribal god of the Hebrews.

Here is a brief biography from wikipedia.

Marcion of Sinope
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Marcion of Sinope (Greek: Μαρκίων[1] Σινώπης), (c.85 – c.160) was a bishop in early Christianity.[2] His theology, which rejected the deity described in the Jewish Scriptures as inferior or subjugated to the God proclaimed in the Christian gospel, was denounced by the Church Fathers and he was excommunicated. His rejection of many books contemporarily considered Scripture in the catholic part of the church prompted this church to develop a Catholic canon of Scriptures.

Hippolytus records that Marcion was the son of the bishop of Sinope, in Pontus. His near-contemporaries Rhodon and Tertullian described him as a ship owner.[3] Marcion probably was consecrated a bishop, likely an assistant or suffragan of his father at Sinope.[3]
Epiphanius states that after beginnings as an ascetic, he seduced a virgin and was accordingly excommunicated by his father, prompting him to leave his home town.[4] This account has been doubted by many scholars, who consider it "malicious gossip". More recently, Bart D. Ehrman suggests that this "seduction of a virgin" was a metaphor for his corruption of the Christian Church, with the Church portrayed as the undefiled virgin.[5]
Marcion had travelled to Rome about 142/143.[6]. But since the Marcionite church was already widespread at the time of his excommunication, it is more likely that his founding of Marcionite style churches had started much earlier. Marcion made a notable donation of 200,000 sesterces to the church.
Conflicts with the bishops of Rome arose and he was eventually excommunicated by the Church of Rome, his donation being returned to him. After his excommunication, he returned to Asia Minor where he continued to lead his many church congregations and teach the Christian gospel in its Marcionite or Pauline version.
[edit]Teachings

Main article: Marcionism
Study of the Jewish Scriptures, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church (the majority of which were eventually incorporated into the New Testament canon) led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of the god of the Old Testament, Yahweh. Marcion responded by developing a dualist system of belief around the year 144.[7] This dual-god notion allowed Marcion to reconcile supposed contradictions between Old Covenant theology and the Gospel message proclaimed by Jesus.
Marcion affirmed Jesus to be the saviour sent by the Heavenly Father, and Paul as His chief apostle. In contrast to the nascent Christian church, Marcion declared that Christianity was distinct from and in opposition to Judaism. Marcion did not claim that the Jewish Scriptures were false. Instead, Marcion asserted that they were to be read in an absolutely literal manner, thereby developing an understanding that YHVH was not the same god spoken of by Jesus, e.g. in the Genesis account of YHVH walking through the Garden of Eden asking where Adam was, Marcion read this to mean that YHVH physically walked through the Garden without foreknowledge of Adam's whereabouts. Marcion argued that this proved YHVH inhabited a physical body (unlike the Heavenly Father) and that YHVH was ignorant and without universal foreknowledge, attributes wholly incompatible with the Heavenly Father professed by Jesus.
According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. Contrastingly, the god that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal god of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy.
Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body. Marcion held that Jesus paid the debt of sin that humanity owed via his crucifixion, thus absolving humanity and allowing it to inherit eternal life.[8]
Marcion was the first to propose a New Testament canon. His canon consisted of only eleven books grouped into two sections: the Evangelikon, being a version of the Gospel of Luke,[9] and the Apostolikon, a selection of ten letters of Paul the Apostle (whom Marcion considered the correct interpreter and transmitter of Jesus' teachings). Neither section included elements relating to Jesus' childhood, Judaism, and material challenging Marcion's dualism. Marcion also produced his Antitheses contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.
[edit]Marcion and Gnosticism

Marcion is sometimes described as a Gnostic philosopher. In some essential respects, Marcion proposed ideas which would have aligned well with Gnostic thought. Like the Gnostics, he argued that Jesus was essentially a divine spirit appearing to men in the shape of a human form, and not someone in a true physical body.[8]
However, Marcionism conceptualizes God in a way which cannot be reconciled with broader Gnostic thought. For Gnostics, every human being is born with a small piece of God's soul lodged within his/her spirit (akin to the notion of a 'Divine Spark').[8] God is thus intimately connected to and part of His creation.[8] Salvation lies in turning away from the physical world (which Gnostics regard as an illusion) and embracing the God-like qualities within yourself.[8] Marcion, by contrast, held that the Heavenly Father (the father of Jesus Christ) was an utterly alien god; he had no part in making the world, nor any connection with it. Out of mercy, he intervened in the world to save humanity.[8]
[edit]Legacy

Marcion became one of the first declared heresiarchs in the year 144 for his deviations from the more conservative theological viewpoints of the main body of bishops. His purely Pauline or Marcionite interpretation of the gospel of Jesus Christ furthered the notion in the early Catholic church centered on Rome that certain gospel interpretations should be designated as orthodox, while others should be rejected, condemned and labelled as heretical. Reacting to the popularity of the churches led by Marcion east of Rome, the Catholic Church set out to systematise, fixate and impose a set of beliefs that would demarcate more clearly the outlines of their interpretation of orthodox Christianity. The suppression of the Marcionist form of Christianity is thus viewed[10] as a catalyst for the development of the Catholic canon, the establishment of a centralised church law, and the structuring of the Catholic Church with its orthodox dogmas in general, which remained a relatively unchallenged mainstay in Christendom until the Protestant Reformation.
The church that Marcion founded had expanded throughout the known world within his lifetime, and was a serious rival to the Catholic Church. Its adherents were strong enough in their convictions that the Marcionite church retained its expansive power for more than a century. It survived Christian controversy, and imperial disapproval, for several centuries more.[11]
Marcion was the first Christian leader to propose and delineate a canon (a list of officially sanctioned religious works). In so doing, he established a particular way of viewing religious texts that persists in Christian thought today. After Marcion, Christians began to divide texts into those that aligned well with the "measuring stick" (Greek kanōn literally means "measuring stick" of accepted theological thought, and those that should be rejected. This essential bifurcation played a major role in finalising the structure and contents of the collection of works now called the Bible. An initial impetus for finalising the Catholic version of the Christian canon stemmed from opposition to Marcion's first Christian canon.

Since most Most Jews , agnostics and atheists do not identify the god of Jesus with the hebrew god , Yahweh, I would like to know whether modern day christians, have, within themselves, wondered as well whether the new testament and old testament gods are one and the same.

I don't think they are the same thing.I wonder at times how Yaweh of old testament who is delighted in killing individuals and nations that oppose his will,could suddenly become a loving Father of Jesus who does not tolerate shedding of blood.Yahweh potrayed himself as a tribal god who is only interested in the welfare of Israelites whereas the Father,Jesus refers to in his teachings seems to have interest in all humankind.Now,this is my opinion:To say Yaweh is the same as the Father of Jesus,is to say Yaweh has improved on his characters over the centuries.The implicatiion of this is that Yaweh is not a perfect god.

YAHweh hasn't changed and he is still d same GOD and FATHER of Jesus CHrist......

Yahweh only had 2 covenant through which HE had dealings with his servants and Humans in general...............

1st was the one moses was d mediator, of which was not perfect.......

2ndly and lastly is the new covenant,which Jesus the only begotten son and servant Of YAHWEH is the mediator......

And this new covenant is perfect......

This new covenant affords the world in general to be reconciled to Yahweh....

How do we know YAHWEH has not changed??

He will soon bring an end to wickedness and its perpetrators just as He did in the times of NOAH and sodom $ gomorrah.......

He's only giving us time to adjust our ways so that we don't end up with satan in the lake of fire(total and complete destruction)......

Obstinate Atheists(lol),agnostics who aint sure of where they stand,false christians(those who profess to be christians but do the opposite of what Jesus did and said when he came to the earth),are all giving extra time to change there ways b4 the great day of the ALMIGHTY comes..........

Yahweh will use his son JESUS,his king designate to carry out this actions...........

So my brother,Yahweh hasn't changed....

Jesus is even the one pleading on our behalf right now.......

But soon there'll be an end to that,judgement and destruction will follow....

But note!!!!!!::::::::::: those who do the will of Yahweh,Jesus's Father and GOD are the ones that will remain forever...

Make sure u are part of that group......

Thank u sir..!!!!

the fictional character of Yahweh and Jesus are totally different.

while Jesus may have existed as a man and his early followers have idolised him after his death and turned him into a legend (by adding to what he said and did) and thereby making him an object of a new religion that broke away from Judaism, the character of Yahweh is entirely fictiional caricature of a Jewish tribalistic god.

allow me to quote what Richard Dawkins says about Yahweh and Jesus from his world famous book, The God Delusion:

"The God of the Old Testament(Yahweh) is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."


“Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. Since a principal thesis of this book is that we do not, and should not, derive our morals from scripture, Jesus has to be honoured as a model for that very thesis. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh”

ijawkid: YAHweh hasn't changed and he is still d same GOD and FATHER of Jesus CHrist......

Yahweh only had 2 covenant through which HE had dealings with his servants and Humans in general...............

1st was the one moses was d mediator, of which was not perfect.......

2ndly and lastly is the new covenant,which Jesus the only begotten son and servant Of YAHWEH is the mediator......

And this new covenant is perfect......

This new covenant affords the world in general to be reconciled to Yahweh....

How do we know YAHWEH has not changed??

He will soon bring an end to wickedness and its perpetrators just as He did in the times of NOAH and sodom $ gomorrah.......

He's only giving us time to adjust our ways so that we don't end up with satan in the lake of fire(total and complete destruction)......

Obstinate Atheists(lol),agnostics who aint sure of where they stand,false christians(those who profess to be christians but do the opposite of what Jesus did and said when he came to the earth),are all giving extra time to change there ways b4 the great day of the ALMIGHTY comes..........

Yahweh will use his son JESUS,his king designate to carry out this actions...........

So my brother,Yahweh hasn't changed....

Jesus is even the one pleading on our behalf right now.......

But soon there'll be an end to that,judgement and destruction will follow....

But note!!!!!!::::::::::: those who do the will of Yahweh,Jesus's Father and GOD are the ones that will remain forever...

Make sure u are part of that group......

Thank u sir..!!!!

reply @ bolded

cyrexx: the fictional character of Yahweh and Jesus are totally different.

while Jesus may have existed as a man and his early followers have idolised him after his death and turned him into a legend (by adding to what he said and did) and thereby making him an object of a new religion that broke away from Judaism, the character of Yahweh is entirely fictiional caricature of a Jewish tribalistic god.

allow me to quote what Richard Dawkins says about Yahweh and Jesus from his world famous book, The God Delusion:

"The God of the Old Testament(Yahweh) is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."


“Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. Since a principal thesis of this book is that we do not, and should not, derive our morals from scripture, Jesus has to be honoured as a model for that very thesis. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh”

So u support dawkins definition of Yahweh right??

All this big big grammar just to explain who Yahweh is??lol.........


This issues of Yahweh has been discussed too many times on this forum but u guys would still choose to believe what u want...

Like I wrote up there YAHWEH is still d same person....

Jesus his son is pleading now on ur behalf so that u can be reconciled to Yahweh.....

An end to this present world(wicked humans or those who are not doing Yahwehs will) is imminent.......

Instead of u following dawkins,return to Yahweh....

The earlier the better.....

plaetton: I
[color=#006600]Since most Most Jews , agnostics and atheists do not identify the god of Jesus with the hebrew god , Yahweh, I would like to know whether modern day christians, have, within themselves, wondered as well whether the new testament and old testament gods are one and the same.

Jews can be either agnostic or atheist , so not sure why you grouped an entire ethnicity into the 'gang' of atheists and agnostics.

Besides, those Jews that practise Judaism do not worship Yahweh, they worship what they know not. Having rejected Christ they have forfeited the only path to their reconciliation with Yahweh.

Finally , there are countless Jews , numbering into the tens of thousands who worship Yahweh through Christ.

examples www.jewsforjesus.org/

So next time, please distinguish between atheist Jews, agnostic Jews, Judaic Jews and Christian Jews.

@OP , I have also raised similar questions in response to Mr. FROSBEL'S comparism of the muslims's ALLAH and the God of the new testament , when he describes Jesus as a lving god and Allah as violent war mongering. I remind him of the murderous activities of Yahweh in the old testament, and ask him ABI NO BE THE SAME GOD.

@FROSBEL, SO WHEN YOU GO AROUND MOCKING THE MUSLIM ALLAH AS A HATEFULL BLOOD THIRSTY GOD, I WILL REMIND YOU THAT THE PEOPLE OF SODOM , NOAH E.T.C DESERVED LOVE AND PERHAPS IF YAHWEH HAD ADOPTED SUBTLE NON VIOLENT WAYS THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR WAYS.

@ FROSBEL THESE PEOPLE DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE NOT THE DESTRUCTION METED ON THEM BY YOUR LOVING YAHWEH. THEY DESERVED THE LOVE APPROUCH AS ADOPTED BY god JESUS, except of-course they diff persons.

ijawkid:

Instead of u following dawkins,return to Yahweh....

The earlier the better.....

is it difficult for you to comprehend simple grammatic expression. if you read what i posted very well, you will see that i follow Jesus. He is my model. Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh

try to read and understand before you type. is that too hard for you.

ijawkid: YAHweh hasn't changed and he is still d same GOD and FATHER of Jesus CHrist......

Yahweh only had 2 covenant through which HE had dealings with his servants and Humans in general...............

1st was the one moses was d mediator, of which was not perfect.......

2ndly and lastly is the new covenant,which Jesus the only begotten son and servant Of YAHWEH is the mediator......

And this new covenant is perfect......

This new covenant affords the world in general to be reconciled to Yahweh....

How do we know YAHWEH has not changed??

He will soon bring an end to wickedness and its perpetrators just as He did in the times of NOAH and sodom $ gomorrah.......

He's only giving us time to adjust our ways so that we don't end up with satan in the lake of fire(total and complete destruction)......

Obstinate Atheists(lol),agnostics who aint sure of where they stand,false christians(those who profess to be christians but do the opposite of what Jesus did and said when he came to the earth),are all giving extra time to change there ways b4 the great day of the ALMIGHTY comes..........

Yahweh will use his son JESUS,his king designate to carry out this actions...........

So my brother,Yahweh hasn't changed....

Jesus is even the one pleading on our behalf right now.......

But soon there'll be an end to that,judgement and destruction will follow....

But note!!!!!!::::::::::: those who do the will of Yahweh,Jesus's Father and GOD are the ones that will remain forever...

Make sure u are part of that group......

Thank u sir..!!!!

the thing with the first convanant is this.

The sons of israel (being sons of Jacob, sons of Isaac, sons of Abraham) were the ones through whom the masaiah will come but they were in slavery in egypt and had to be freed.

Since the egyptians dont recognised that the God of Israel is God almighty and said that they dont know Yahweh but their own God.

Then it was like a challenge as to who was the true God.

On coming out of egypt the inhabitant of the land canaan where the sons of israel were passing through to where Yahweh had promise Abraham then attacked them the Israelites for no Just couse, Yahweh vowed to also pay them back in there own coins. That was why he sent saul back to the AMalakite.

The canaanite had attacked the sons of israel when they had no military force just coming out of egypt as slaves.

It was in this circumstances that Yahweh said he will show the whole nations or the whole world that he is the true God and besides him their is no other God.

Along the lines the battles were more of challenge of whose nations Gods is the true God.

When that has been established, the process of bringing the seed of Abraham through whom all the nations of the earth will be bless was under way.

The masaiah came to be Jesus christ.

The one that will open up or reconcile all men of all nations back to Yahweh.
Cus Adam disobedience had cus a separation of all men of all nations from God Yahweh. Who was the creator of Adam.

That reconciliation was made possible by Jesus and it will result to eternal life for all human just as Adam will have lived without dying if he had not sin.
But this opportunity is only for willing individual from all nations that takes advantage of the reconciliatio.

That is why this message should be preach to people of all nations as a witness to every body befor the kingdom comes. Matthew 24:14.

this is the message of the bible.

Restoration of eternal life in God's kingdom.

cyrexx: the fictional character of Yahweh and Jesus are totally different.

while Jesus may have existed as a man and his early followers have idolised him after his death and turned him into a legend (by adding to what he said and did) and thereby making him an object of a new religion that broke away from Judaism, the character of Yahweh is entirely fictiional caricature of a Jewish tribalistic god.

allow me to quote what Richard Dawkins says about Yahweh and Jesus from his world famous book, The God Delusion:

"The God of the Old Testament(Yahweh) is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."


“Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. Since a principal thesis of this book is that we do not, and should not, derive our morals from scripture, Jesus has to be honoured as a model for that very thesis. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh”

where is Dawkins now?

truthislight:

the thing with the first convanant is this.

The sons of israel (being sons of Jacob, sons of Isaac, sons of Abraham) were the ones through whom the masaiah will come but they were in slavery in egypt and had to be freed.

Since the egyptians dont recognised that the God of Israel is God almighty and said that they dont know Yahweh but their own God.

Then it was like a challenge as to who was the true God.

On coming out of egypt the inhabitant of the land canaan where the sons of israel were passing through to where Yahweh had promise Abraham then attacked them the Israelites for no Just couse, Yahweh vowed to also pay them back in there own coins. That was why he sent saul back to the AMalakite.

The canaanite had attacked the sons of israel when they had no military force just coming out of egypt as slaves.

It was in this circumstances that Yahweh said he will show the whole nations or the whole world that he is the true God and besides him their is no other God.

Along the lines the battles were more of challenge of whose nations Gods is the true God.

When that has been established, the process of bringing the seed of Abraham through whom all the nations of the earth will be bless was under way.

The masaiah came to be Jesus christ.

The one that will open up or reconcile all men of all nations back to Yahweh.
Cus Adam disobedience had cus a separation of all men of all nations from God Yahweh. Who was the creator of Adam.

That reconciliation was made possible by Jesus and it will result to eternal life for all human just as Adam will have lived without dying if he had not sin.
But this opportunity is only for willing individual from all nations that takes advantage of the reconciliatio.

That is why this message should be preach to people of all nations as a witness to every body befor the kingdom comes. Matthew 24:14.

this is the message of the bible.

Restoration of eternal life in God's kingdom.

It would be difficult to tell my smart 3yr old nephew this kind of dizzy fairy tale.

truthislight:

where is Dawkins now?

if the only thing you can see about my post is richard dawkins, then i think its unnecessary to engage you further in this discussion.

cyrexx:

is it difficult for you to comprehend simple grammatic expression. if you read what i posted very well, you will see that i follow Jesus. He is my model. Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh

try to read and understand before you type. is that too hard for you.

If u really are a follower of JesÙs then u shÙld know that Jesus even existed and came to the earth because of Yahwehs a®rangement to save ur sorry soul and ur likes..........

Jesus as Yahwehs appointed king will carry out Yahwehs commands to bring an end to all those who don't obey his Father.....and I believe u fall under that group(lol).......



Keep decieving urself that ur following Christ ,while neglecting the person who sent Him........

If u follow christ ur also obeying Yahweh in return.......

I'm happy sha to hear that ur a follower of Christ...........I am too....

But we all are like CHrist obeying Yahweh the Father of all......

Jesus read from the LAW,Jesus prayed and worshipped Yahweh.....

Infact all Jesus did on earth wasn't out of his own originality.....what d Father told him to do is what he did........so all Jesus knows I'd from the Father...


Don't be decieved bro...........

But I thought u were an atheist......

Happy to know u like Jesus Christ.....or are u just playing with us??

cyrexx:

is it difficult for you to comprehend simple grammatic expression. [b]if you read what i posted very well, you will see that i follow Jesus. He is my model. Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. [/b]He explicitly departed from them. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh

try to read and understand before you type. is that too hard for you.

The question is to what extent do you follow Jesus Christ? Do you follow Him wholly or selectively? You do realize that a model is an exact or near-exact copy of an original.
Think carefully before you answer this: Are you modeled after Christ?

@ ijawkid and anony

i am sure you have never read the bible all through for yourself, especially the old testament.

that is why you dont know much about yahweh other than what your elders and pastors teach you.

Mr_Anony:

The question is to what extent do you follow Jesus Christ? Do you follow Him wholly or selectively? You do realize that a model is an exact or near-exact copy of an original.
Think carefully before you answer this: Are you modeled after Christ?

the thread is whether we think the characters of yahweh and jesus are the the same or different. dont start another obfuscating circumlocutory irrelevant questioning in your mastered art of dodging the obvious.

read my post very well, i said i follow jesus in sense that he did NOT follow his scriptural upbringing of the violent acts of yahweh. is that too hard to grasp without twisting my words

i wont join you to derail the thread from the topic

cyrexx: @ ijawkid and anony

i am sure you have never read the bible all through for yourself, especially the old testament.

that is why you dont know much about yahweh other than what your elders and pastors teach you.

What has my reading the bible all through got to do with whether you follow Christ or not?

cyrexx:

the thread is whether we think the characters of yahweh and jesus are the the same or different. dont start another obfuscating circumlocutory irrelevant questioning in your mastered art of dodging the obvious.

read my post very well, i said i follow jesus[b] in sense that[/b] he did NOT follow his scriptural upbringing of the violent acts of yahweh. is that too hard to grasp without twisting my words

i wont join you to derail the thread from the topic

Oh I see. Do you also follow Stalin in the sense that [/b]he hated Christianity? By the way Stalin also [b]did not follow his scriptural upbringing.
It is interesting how many people you can equally follow in different "senses"

cyrexx:

the thread is whether we think the characters of yahweh and jesus are the the same or different[size=15pt]. dont start another obfuscating circumlocutory irrelevant questioning in your mastered art of dodging the obvious.[/size]

read my post very well, i said i follow jesus in sense that he did NOT follow his scriptural upbringing of the violent acts of yahweh. is that too hard to grasp without twisting my words

i wont join you to derail the thread from the topic

Bloody sunday

Mr_Anony:
What has my reading the bible all through got to do with whether you follow Christ or not?

read very well what i wrote. Jesus did not follow the barbaric violent acts of Yahweh, that is where i followed him.

read about Yahweh very well in your Bible and you will see what i mean

musKeeto:
Bloody sunday

Hahahaha lol

Lets have a civil sunday.

No, they aren't different. Jesus and Yahweh are the same God.

cyrexx:

read very well what i wrote. Jesus did not follow the barbaric violent acts of Yahweh, that is where i followed him.

read about Yahweh very well in your Bible and you will see what i mean

I see what you mean

.......It just so happens that they both are the same though. In fact Jesus says that everything He learnt, He learnt from God. He also says that all He does is an imitation of His Father.

Same god?
hhmmm. I thought you guys believed that Jesus was the son of god?
Has he been promoted again?.

Mr_Anony:
I see what you mean

.......It just so happens that they both are the same though. In fact Jesus says that everything He learnt, He learnt from God alone

So what happened? Did Yahweh repent?

musKeeto:
So what happened? Did Yahweh repent?

Nope, He remains the same.

plaetton: Same god?
hhmmm. I thought you guys believed that Jesus was the son of god?
Has he been promoted again?.

the same God got Mary pregnant and gave birth to himself. later he prayed to Himself and ressurected Himself. But he doesn't know when He is coming back(Jesus) and at the same time he knows(Yahweh).

what a cool story to tell.

Mr_Anony:
I see what you mean

.......It just so happens that they both are the same though. In fact Jesus says that everything He learnt, He learnt from God. He also says that all He does is an imitation of His Father.

The word "god" is quite an ambigious one. It can mean a whole lot of different dieties to different folks.
The Romans refered to their emperors as gods.
Could son of god not also refer to son of Caesar?
Pls what makes you think the god, in the case of jesus, refered to Yahweh?

Looks like we're heading into the realms of derision. How predictable.