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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 7:13am On Apr 15, 2018
enilove:


There is nothing like "big bang". It is simply telling people that there was a creator , that caused the big bang , but denying existence of God.

It is inverably saying that this universe came into existence by chance , which is not possible.

The Bible recorded an event that took place in Egypt about 3, 000 years ago. The Bible says God divided the Red Sea into 2 parts for about 12 hours for the Israelites to escape death from Pharaoh the king in Egypt. It says that the Egyptians perished in that sea.

Who can divide a Sea and rivers if not the Creator that knows in and out of how the Sea came into existence?


the Bible us highly incorrect when it comes dating, according to the bible, the earth is 6,000years old

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 7:21am On Apr 15, 2018
tamethem:
If life came by "Chance" ( the big bang) then "Chance" must be very very intelligent!.

Intelligent in that, everything Chance created works beautifully hand in hand.

To mention but a few , Chance created

the Sun,
the moon
the stars,
the Air,
the water
the man
the trees
And the Animals

But can "Chance" be intelligent?

Is Chance a living thing?

We need to know and come to the knowledge of this before we proceed on this matter.

The Big bang theory says a sudden explosion occurred and every thing both living and non living came to existence.

That means that the sudden explosion called the Big Bang was created by chance. Which eventually created the universe.

If the Big Bang is an explosion, it means it is a Non Living thing.
Uhhm. Abi?

So "Chance" is non living and can never ever be intelligent.
Only a Being with a Brain can be intelligent. And it could only be Someone.

Now if Chance created the Universe and everything there in, then Chance must be extremely intelligent to have known where and how to place or create each creation without any flaw that would have spelled doom for the world and its inhabitants.

Everyone knows that without the Sun, there is no life!
And the Scientists even claim that if the sun had been a little farther than it is, the earth would be frozen and if it had been placed closer than it is, no living thing would exist on the earth either for excessive heat.

Then this Chance must be intelligent!

but unfortunately it can not think?
Is it not a living thing!


If there was no provision of Water, nothing will live on the earth also, What about the Air we breath
If there was no Air nothing would live on the earth. ( Man breaths in oxygen and breaths out carbon dioxide while plants breath in carbon dioxide and release oxygen) What a cycle!

The Big Bang is intelligent! but can not think? grin

It is non living

What about water. No water no life and yet the Big bang knew water is essential to life and so made provision for it.

What a smart non living thing!

Brainless but smart? is it possible? grin

The water Cycle nko.

The Sun does it job through evaporation and the rain does its own by pouring it down.

The Big Bang is wonderfully smart! Reasoning without a brain grin

Now come to think of we humans that the "Big Bang created" without a sense!

A non living thing creating living things. Wonders shall never end grin

What a awesome Irony !

The Big bang without a Brain gave us brain knowing so well we will need it to think.
the same thinking it does without a brain. Wow!

Now he gave us all the organs each for different tasks. And if by mistake you give the Nose the job of the Mouth or the Ear the job of the nose it is catastrophic.
The Big Bang made every one perfectly designed without an error. despite the fact that it is by Chance!

Lastly, Check the make of Man and see the wonderful work of "Chance".

The Digestive System. from one step to the order.

The Eye lense,

The Heart beat and the blood network

The brain sections controlling every part of the body to the smallest.
The body antibiotics etc.

All came through the Big Bang's intelligence! the same called " Chance"

Finally no Sensible human should believe Chance made all things working perfectly for the smooth running of life.

Because Chance or the Big Bang has no Sense because it is a non living.

And only a senseless beign would believe a Non living made a Living.

Chance is as good as a Mistake
and Mistakes don't make a living thing but rather it is a living thing that can make a Mistake grin



God Exists, He intelligently made all things.

It obvious Now. Think!

grin


grin grin



you really don't understand how this thing works, do you?

The universe is a result of numerous chemical reactions and these reactions all work together to form a complex universe

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by enilove(m): 8:04am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
if you understand elementary biology, then you won't see anything mysterious about that

Did your advance biology teach you how to create your own kind of fruit with the sweetness you desire?


Is biology not useless to you when there is a need to get "blood " to save a dying soul?

Biology will teach you the functions of reproductive organs but cannot produce any organ.
It will teach you how the blood circulates but cannot teach you how to produce that blood.
It will teach the functions of the heart and kidneys but can never produce any.


Your life itself is a mystery . That thing or breath which gives you existence as a human is a mysterious thing which all the scientists of old and new put together cannot understand.
That "breath of life " is what the biology will never teach you nor talk about. What makes you a living being is not known to biology and can never be known or created by any man , because it is also a mystery.

Did you learn from your advance biology how and why we have a sweet fruit and a tasteless fruit from the same soil?
Is the sweetness coming from the soil or from the tree itself?
Even thinking about how plants turn water and carbon dioxide into food when there is sunlight is a pointer that there is a designer somewhere somehow.

There is a Greater Creator whose name is Jesus Christ that created these things which science can never understand.

Science cannot create "water". Water is a mystery.

There is a God, it does not matter whether you believe or not. He exists and will ever be God.

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 8:09am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
you really don't understand how this thing works, do you?

The universe is a result of numerous chemical reactions and these reactions all work together to form a complex universe

By chance? grin

The laws of probability say you are wrong. You are the one who does not know how this works

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by CltrAltDelicious(m): 8:19am On Apr 15, 2018
tamethem:
If life came by "Chance" ( the big bang) then "Chance" must be very very intelligent!.

Intelligent in that, everything Chance created works beautifully hand in hand.

To mention but a few , Chance created

the Sun,
the moon
the stars,
the Air,
the water
the man
the trees
And the Animals

But can "Chance" be intelligent?

Is Chance a living thing?

We need to know and come to the knowledge of this before we proceed on this matter.

The Big bang theory says a sudden explosion occurred and every thing both living and non living came to existence.

That means that the sudden explosion called the Big Bang was created by chance. Which eventually created the universe.

If the Big Bang is an explosion, it means it is a Non Living thing.
Uhhm. Abi?

So "Chance" is non living and can never ever be intelligent.
Only a Being with a Brain can be intelligent. And it could only be Someone.

Now if Chance created the Universe and everything there in, then Chance must be extremely intelligent to have known where and how to place or create each creation without any flaw that would have spelled doom for the world and its inhabitants.

Everyone knows that without the Sun, there is no life!
And the Scientists even claim that if the sun had been a little farther than it is, the earth would be frozen and if it had been placed closer than it is, no living thing would exist on the earth either for excessive heat.

Then this Chance must be intelligent!

but unfortunately it can not think?
Is it not a living thing!


If there was no provision of Water, nothing will live on the earth also, What about the Air we breath
If there was no Air nothing would live on the earth. ( Man breaths in oxygen and breaths out carbon dioxide while plants breath in carbon dioxide and release oxygen) What a cycle!

The Big Bang is intelligent! but can not think? grin

It is non living

What about water. No water no life and yet the Big bang knew water is essential to life and so made provision for it.

What a smart non living thing!

Brainless but smart? is it possible? grin

The water Cycle nko.

The Sun does it job through evaporation and the rain does its own by pouring it down.

The Big Bang is wonderfully smart! Reasoning without a brain grin

Now come to think of we humans that the "Big Bang created" without a sense!

A non living thing creating living things. Wonders shall never end grin

What a awesome Irony !

The Big bang without a Brain gave us brain knowing so well we will need it to think.
the same thinking it does without a brain. Wow!

Now he gave us all the organs each for different tasks. And if by mistake you give the Nose the job of the Mouth or the Ear the job of the nose it is catastrophic.
The Big Bang made every one perfectly designed without an error. despite the fact that it is by Chance!

Lastly, Check the make of Man and see the wonderful work of "Chance".

The Digestive System. from one step to the order.

The Eye lense,

The Heart beat and the blood network

The brain sections controlling every part of the body to the smallest.
The body antibiotics etc.

All came through the Big Bang's intelligence! the same called " Chance"

Finally no Sensible human should believe Chance made all things working perfectly for the smooth running of life.

Because Chance or the Big Bang has no Sense because it is a non living.

And only a senseless beign would believe a Non living made a Living.

Chance is as good as a Mistake
and Mistakes don't make a living thing but rather it is a living thing that can make a Mistake grin



God Exists, He intelligently made all things.

It obvious Now. Think!

grin


grin grin




Have ever heard the phrase "order within chaos"? Looking at the beautiful sand dunes in the deserts you will obviously say someone or something intelligent did it. Because something is complex doesn't mean it has a creator

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 8:26am On Apr 15, 2018
Its a Sunday
Can any of the Mods that are not intimidated by Gods existence push this to the front page please.

grin

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:35am On Apr 15, 2018
enilove:


No.

God is the ONLY Creator that was not created.
Isn't the same thing i said? God is proof that something can exist, be complex and still be uncreated.
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:38am On Apr 15, 2018
Treasure17:

Here is the thing. For the fact that there's a creation, definitely there must be a creator behind the creation.
Not necessarily true as observed but lets continue.

The creation require supernatural ideas and rationality because when you look at the creation you will discover that things don't just exist on their own.
The supernatural happen to exist on its own though or does it need another super-supernatural idea?


These things are beyond human comprehension.
I disagree


Supernatural in this context means invincible being.
Re-evaluate this definition.
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:40am On Apr 15, 2018
Spiye06:
A God to me is a being that supersedes every other being created.with a very high and extreme quality in which no one possesses. that is why he says have no other God but me cos am a jealous God.if u call a tree a god makes it ur creator and placing it above the living God.He is in charge in controll and has authority over everythin both on earth in heaven and below the earth.supream power makes him a GOD

If you are a being that supersedes every other being in the cosmos, as a matter of fact, you created these beings, of whom exactly could you be jealous of and why?

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 8:40am On Apr 15, 2018
Butterflyleo:


By chance? grin

The laws of probability say you are wrong. You are the one who does not know how this works
what matters is the first reaction, not the subsequent reactions.

The first ever reaction decided the fate of the universe, no one can say authoritatively that a God was involved as this claims lacks proof
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:42am On Apr 15, 2018
TayserMahiri:


What was God doing for all those zillions of years before the idea of creating a universe crossed his mind? Did he get bored?

To be fair there are two possibilities for this transcendance argument.

-If there was no time, then from God being alone to creating the universe could still be perceived as an instance.

or

- God is confined to a hyper-time that transcends ours and ours is dependent on this hyper-time. for example, the time in a video playing on your phone is different from the time you are in but is still dependent on it.
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 8:43am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
what matters is the first reaction, not the subsequent reactions.

The first ever reaction decided the fate of the universe, no one can say authoritatively that a God was involved as this claims lacks proof

The first reaction was an uncaused cause because infinite regress isn't plausible.

The first cause was intelligent because we see the reaction of this cause as also being an intelligent response.

Intelligence is only attributable to a being and not an inanimate object

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:44am On Apr 15, 2018
darkchild64:
op I remember you said that personal beliefs and sentiments would not be entertained,well I guess it can't be helped,Christians would always impose their beliefs on others they don't care about bringing evidence

I am just speechless, i so badly wanted to hear better arguments than this but well, we respect every opinion and ideas, so if this is the best way they understand what God may be then its all good.
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:44am On Apr 15, 2018
LiXxGH:
He indirectly talked to me through my pastor who believes in the same God...Though everyone has his/her own God or god, i strongly believe mine does exist. Now to clear up things, i sat one on one with my pastor for the first time during counceling and he began telling me stuff i did in the past which i thought no one will or would ever know, then i felt so ashamed and remoseful...u think this could be magic and not the power of God?

Woooow
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:45am On Apr 15, 2018
tamethem:
If life came by "Chance" ( the big bang) then "Chance" must be very very intelligent!.

Intelligent in that, everything Chance created works beautifully hand in hand.

To mention but a few , Chance created

the Sun,
the moon
the stars,
the Air,
the water
the man
the trees
And the Animals

But can "Chance" be intelligent?

Is Chance a living thing?

We need to know and come to the knowledge of this before we proceed on this matter.

The Big bang theory says a sudden explosion occurred and every thing both living and non living came to existence.

That means that the sudden explosion called the Big Bang was created by chance. Which eventually created the universe.

If the Big Bang is an explosion, it means it is a Non Living thing.
Uhhm. Abi?

So "Chance" is non living and can never ever be intelligent.
Only a Being with a Brain can be intelligent. And it could only be Someone.

Now if Chance created the Universe and everything there in, then Chance must be extremely intelligent to have known where and how to place or create each creation without any flaw that would have spelled doom for the world and its inhabitants.

Everyone knows that without the Sun, there is no life!
And the Scientists even claim that if the sun had been a little farther than it is, the earth would be frozen and if it had been placed closer than it is, no living thing would exist on the earth either for excessive heat.

Then this Chance must be intelligent!

but unfortunately it can not think?
It is not a living thing! Oops! grin


If there was no provision of Water, nothing will live on the earth also, What about the Air we breath
If there was no Air nothing would live on the earth. ( Man breaths in oxygen and breaths out carbon dioxide while plants breath in carbon dioxide and release oxygen) What a cycle!

The Big Bang is intelligent! but can not think? grin

It is non living

What about water. No water no life and yet the Big bang knew water is essential to life and so made provision for it.

What a smart non living thing!

Brainless but smart? is it possible? grin

The water Cycle nko.

The Sun does it job through evaporation and the rain does its own by pouring it down.

The Big Bang is wonderfully smart! Reasoning without a brain grin

Now come to think of we humans that the "Big Bang created" without a sense!

A non living thing creating living things. Wonders shall never end grin

What a awesome Irony !

The Big bang without a Brain gave us brain knowing so well we will need it to think.
the same thinking it does without a brain. Wow!

Now he gave us all the organs each for different tasks. And if by mistake you give the Nose the job of the Mouth or the Ear the job of the nose it is catastrophic.
The Big Bang made every one perfectly designed without an error. despite the fact that it is by Chance!

Lastly, Check the make of Man and see the wonderful work of "Chance".

The Digestive System. from one step to the order.

The Eye lense,

The Heart beat and the blood network

The brain sections controlling every part of the body to the smallest.
The body antibiotics etc.

All came through the Big Bang's intelligence! the same called " Chance"

Finally no Sensible human should believe Chance made all things working perfectly for the smooth running of life.

Because Chance or the Big Bang has no Sense because it is a non living.

And only a senseless beign would believe a Non living made a Living.

Chance is as good as a Mistake
and Mistakes don't make a living thing but rather it is a living thing that can make a Mistake grin



God Exists, He intelligently made all things.

It obvious Now. Think!

grin


grin grin




This argument is easily refutable though but well, nice.
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 8:47am On Apr 15, 2018
enilove:


Did your advance biology teach you how to create your own kind of fruit with the sweetness you desire?


Is biology not useless to you when there is a need to get "blood " to save a dying soul?

Biology will teach you the functions of reproductive organs but cannot produce any organ.
It will teach you how the blood circulates but cannot teach you how to produce that blood.
It will teach the functions of the heart and kidneys but can never produce any.


Your life itself is a mystery . That thing or breath which gives you existence as a human is a mysterious thing which all the scientists of old and new put together cannot understand.
That "breath of life " is what the biology will never teach you nor talk about. What makes you a living being is not known to biology and can never be known or created by any man , because it is also a mystery.

Did you learn from your advance biology how and why we have a sweet fruit and a tasteless fruit from the same soil?
Is the sweetness coming from the soil or from the tree itself?
Even thinking about how plants turn water and carbon dioxide into food when there is sunlight is a pointer that there is a designer somewhere somehow.

There is a Greater Creator whose name is Jesus Christ that created these things which science can never understand.

Science cannot create "water". Water is a mystery.

There is a God, it does not matter whether you believe or not. He exists and will ever be God.


My dear, any genetic biologist can create a creature but the problem is what kinda creature will you end up creating and again, there are strict lows barring them from doing such, for the sake of humanity and inteferring with nature...

Give me a suitable laboratory and ask me to make a living thing, I will do it, it's just all about creating a stabilized genetic sequence and expressing the genes but like I said, that might be detrimental to the existence of humanity.

And again, the concept of sweet and bitter fruit is explanable by the genetic characterized of the plants involved.

You eat plants, have you asked yourself why you are not made of plants?
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by enilove(m): 8:54am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
the Bible us highly incorrect when it comes dating, according to the bible, the earth is 6,000years old


How do you know that the Bible dating is wrong?

Have you not seen in this life where a thief is calling the owner of a purse thief?

Have you not seen where fake is calling the original fake ?

Who ever and whatever makes people to say Biblical accounts are incorrect is a fake and of the Satan.

Also , the Bible did not say the earth is only about 6, 000 years.
From the time of Adam to the time of Noah alone was more than 6,000 years , how then did they come about their own calculations?

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 8:54am On Apr 15, 2018
enilove:


Did your advance biology teach you how to create your own kind of fruit with the sweetness you desire?
Humans have been doing this all the time. All the fruits you know of today were directly created due to the influence of humans. Bananas did not taste like they do now before, apples, oranges, strawberries, all these fruits are totally different and tastes different from their ancestors and this was because of humans and the factor of artificial selection.

This is also true for domesticated animals like cows, dogs and horses etc.


Is biology not useless to you when there is a need to get "blood " to save a dying soul?
How so?


Biology will teach you the functions of reproductive organs but cannot produce any organ.
It will teach you how the blood circulates but cannot teach you how to produce that blood.
It will teach the functions of the heart and kidneys but can never produce any.
I'm pretty sure modern biotechnologies can print or grow organs in the lab.

What point is this supposed to make brother?


Your life itself is a mystery.
I disagree.


That thing or breath which gives you existence as a human is a mysterious thing which all the scientists of old and new put together cannot understand.
I also disagree. We understand oxygen well enough down to its atomic compositions.


That "breath of life " is what the biology will never teach you nor talk about. What makes you a living being is not known to biology and can never be known or created by any man , because it is also a mystery.
This is also incorrect.


Did you learn from your advance biology how and why we have a sweet fruit and a tasteless fruit from the same soil?
Is the sweetness coming from the soil or from the tree itself?
Tree augmented by soil nutrients.


Even thinking about how plants turn water and carbon dioxide into food when there is sunlight is a pointer that there is a designer somewhere somehow.
Good point, could be compared to our solar panels today. Even though there are other likely alternatives.


There is a Greater Creator whose name is Jesus Christ that created these things which science can never understand.
How did you get to know this creator so well that you know the creator has a name?


Science cannot create "water". Water is a mystery.
Yes we can, even you can. Water is not a mystery.


There is a God, it does not matter whether you believe or not. He exists and will ever be God.
This is not really a good argument brother

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 8:56am On Apr 15, 2018
Butterflyleo:


The first reaction was an uncaused cause because infinite regress isn't plausible.

The first cause was intelligent because we see the reaction of this cause as also being an intelligent response.

Intelligence is only attributable to a being and not an inanimate object
chemical reaction still occur without any being, as a matter of fact, human beings are a laboratory of complex chemical reactions occurring without interference.

You don't need any being to help you catalyze glucose molecules, synthesize enzymes or form fat tissues, you have to see the universe as one big system to understand that everything is formed based on chemical specificity and properties.

If you don't eat, no being will stop you from not catalyzing your body proteins, you don't need any God to tell you that microorganisms and you body cells will eventually feast on you
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 8:58am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
chemical reaction still occur without any being, as a matter of fact, human beings are a laboratory of complex chemical reactions occurring without interference.

You don't need any being to help you catalyze glucose molecules, synthesize enzymes or form fat tissues, you have to see the universe as one big system to understand that everything is formed based on chemical specificity and properties.

If you don't eat, no being will stop you from not catalyzing your body proteins, you don't need any God to tell you that microorganisms and you body cells will eventually feast on you

You are very ignorant.

What was the origin of those chemicals before they began to react?

If you know, share with me.

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:01am On Apr 15, 2018
enilove:



How do you know that the Bible dating is wrong?

Have you not seen in this life where a thief is calling the owner of a purse thief?

Have you not seen where fake is calling the original fake ?

Who ever and whatever makes people to say Biblical accounts are incorrect is a fake and of the Satan.

Also , the Bible did not say the earth is only about 6, 000 years.
From the time of Adam to the time of Noah alone was more than 6,000 years , how then did they come about their own calculations?

if I believe you can see my post and reply it on nairaland and refuse to believe the concept of carbon dating of materials, then I'm living a live of denial.

Network reception on phones and carbon dating share the same simple principle in physics I.e. raditions and light spectrum physics.

So if you cant make calls using this scientific knowledge, why can you believe when a carbon dating tells you that the earth is over 4 billion years?

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 9:01am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
My dear, any genetic biologist can create a creature but the problem is what kinda creature will you end up creating and again
Create a creature, how?
What does it mean to create a creature here?
to modify an already existing creature or to create an entirely new one from the scratch?

there are strict lows barring them from doing such
I do not know of any such laws, care to mention one?

for the sake of humanity and inteferring with nature...
We already do, many things you know of today in nature is due to our interference.


Give me a suitable laboratory and ask me to make a living thing, I will do it
Amazing, you should have a nobel prize already my brother. This is the holy grail of biological science, creating a new life from the scratch.


it's just all about creating a stabilized genetic sequence and expressing the genes but like I said, that might be detrimental to the existence of humanity.
No it is not, and i disagree that you can do this neither is it detrimental to the existence of humanity.


And again, the concept of sweet and bitter fruit is explanable by the genetic characterized of the plants involved.
Fair enough


You eat plants, have you asked yourself why you are not made of plants?
I do not understand this question. This is like asking, have you asked why plants are not made of you.

You are not made of plants because you are not a plant, if you were a plant, you would be made of plant (plant cells)

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Treasure17(m): 9:02am On Apr 15, 2018
CltrAltDelicious:

Going by your assertion don't you think 'God' also needs a creator since "things don't just exist on their own"?
Lol. Not necessarily cause all these are mysterious. These philosophical questions goes through mind sometimes which beg for answers.

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Treasure17(m): 9:05am On Apr 15, 2018
johnydon22:
Not necessarily true as observed but lets continue.

The supernatural happen to exist on its own though or does it need another super-supernatural idea?

I disagree

Re-evaluate this definition.
Good questions. All these are mysterious that you can't explain even with science and logic. At the end of the day, you either believe or you don't.

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:05am On Apr 15, 2018
Butterflyleo:


You are very ignorant.

What was the origin of those chemicals before they began to react?

If you know, share with me.
don't say I'm ignorant, the problem with you Christians is that you succumb to petty words when you can't backup anything..

Like I said, I cannot believe that God made the first ever chemical reaction based on what someone on the pulpit has told me, it has to be backed up with proof. Those people who claim God created heaven and earth bearly understand how to even balance a chemical equation, why should I listen to their sentiments and claims?

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:06am On Apr 15, 2018
tamethem:
If life came by "Chance" ( the big bang) then "Chance" must be very very intelligent!.

Intelligent in that, everything Chance created works beautifully hand in hand.

To mention but a few , Chance created

the Sun,
the moon
the stars,
the Air,
the water
the man
the trees
And the Animals

But can "Chance" be intelligent?

Is Chance a living thing?

We need to know and come to the knowledge of this before we proceed on this matter.

The Big bang theory says a sudden explosion occurred and every thing both living and non living came to existence.

That means that the sudden explosion called the Big Bang was created by chance. Which eventually created the universe.

If the Big Bang is an explosion, it means it is a Non Living thing.
Uhhm. Abi?

So "Chance" is non living and can never ever be intelligent.
Only a Being with a Brain can be intelligent. And it could only be Someone.

Now if Chance created the Universe and everything there in, then Chance must be extremely intelligent to have known where and how to place or create each creation without any flaw that would have spelled doom for the world and its inhabitants.

Everyone knows that without the Sun, there is no life!
And the Scientists even claim that if the sun had been a little farther than it is, the earth would be frozen and if it had been placed closer than it is, no living thing would exist on the earth either for excessive heat.

Then this Chance must be intelligent!

but unfortunately it can not think?
It is not a living thing! Oops! grin


If there was no provision of Water, nothing will live on the earth also, What about the Air we breath
If there was no Air nothing would live on the earth. ( Man breaths in oxygen and breaths out carbon dioxide while plants breath in carbon dioxide and release oxygen) What a cycle!

The Big Bang is intelligent! but can not think? grin

It is non living

What about water. No water no life and yet the Big bang knew water is essential to life and so made provision for it.

What a smart non living thing!

Brainless but smart? is it possible? grin

The water Cycle nko.

The Sun does it job through evaporation and the rain does its own by pouring it down.

The Big Bang is wonderfully smart! Reasoning without a brain grin

Now come to think of we humans that the "Big Bang created" without a sense!

A non living thing creating living things. Wonders shall never end grin

What a awesome Irony !

The Big bang without a Brain gave us brain knowing so well we will need it to think.
the same thinking it does without a brain. Wow!

Now he gave us all the organs each for different tasks. And if by mistake you give the Nose the job of the Mouth or the Ear the job of the nose it is catastrophic.
The Big Bang made every one perfectly designed without an error. despite the fact that it is by Chance!

Lastly, Check the make of Man and see the wonderful work of "Chance".

The Digestive System. from one step to the order.

The Eye lense,

The Heart beat and the blood network

The brain sections controlling every part of the body to the smallest.
The body antibiotics etc.

All came through the Big Bang's intelligence! the same called " Chance"

Finally no Sensible human should believe Chance made all things working perfectly for the smooth running of life.

Because Chance or the Big Bang has no Sense because it is a non living.

And only a senseless beign would believe a Non living made a Living.

Chance is as good as a Mistake
and Mistakes don't make a living thing but rather it is a living thing that can make a Mistake grin



God Exists, He intelligently made all things.

It obvious Now. Think!

grin


grin grin




Chance doesnt have to be intelligent to create. You are even addressing chance almost as if it is a living thing. You are the same people who address evolution like a 'thing'. If I come across you in the streets today by chance, it does not mean the thing called chance made us meet. Chance means the occurrence of events in the absence of any obvious intention or cause. Another word is accidental.

The big bang doesnt say everything exploded and everything including life came into existence. Life began just the other day as far as Mr Big Bang is concerned. And that was a consequence of very different factors.

You have so many issues with the big bang not being a living thing. How dare it happen without thinking?

This part

Now if Chance created the Universe and everything there in, then Chance must be extremely intelligent to have known where and how to place or create each creation without any flaw that would have spelled doom for the world and its inhabitants.

You are just naive. Creation is very flawed. Life couldnt kickoff on Earth until 10 billion years later because everything was hostile. And when it did kickoff it took a while for it to get hold and for there to be complex creatures like you who can think. And life wasnt 'placed' where it belongs, it adapted to the place!

Everyone knows that without the Sun, there is no life!
And the Scientists even claim that if the sun had been a little farther than it is, the earth would be frozen and if it had been placed closer than it is, no living thing would exist on the earth either for excessive heat.


Yes, begin by thanking the scientists for letting you know that ! And your point is another reason why Mr Chance is quite haphazard. There are billions of suns with their own planets all set up in different configurations, just as you would expect if you blew up a bomb in the atmosphere. There is no evidence that the Sun being precisely where it is is more special than another being a little further or closer. It just suits us (and our other earthly creatures), and now you are turning it around to sound like we are the special things and the Sun was put there specifically for us. Thats like a mole rushing into a hole dug by a squirrel and concluding "Phew, this hole was dug for me".

Yes, once again chance cannot think but it can do improbable stuff all the time. Every day there are people winning lotteries by chance, one could get hit by a meteorite by chance, a planet can align itself at the precise point around its sun for life to emerge by chance, etc. Chance does not even need a brain. And it makes a lot of mistakes and wonderful things as well. And as far as chance is 'concerned', there was no plan or intention.

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 9:07am On Apr 15, 2018
purem:


Haa! Base on the fairy tales religion make us to believe

The world should be better than this

I don't understand this. I am sure most of these religions have reasons why the world is exactly as it is now.

My question is:

You say the world should not be like it is now if there is a God. Why? and how do you suppose a world created by a God should or would be?
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Butterflyleo: 9:08am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:
don't say I'm ignorant, the problem with you Christians is that you succumb to petty words when you can't backup anything..

Like I said, I cannot believe that God made the first ever chemical reaction based on what someone on the pulpit has told me, it has to be backed up with proof. Those people who claim God created heaven and earth bearly understand how to even balance a chemical equation, why should I listen to their sentiments and claims?

I.am not referring to what anyone on any pulpit told me and I didn't say God made the first chemical. All I did was ask you to tell me where the these chemicals which react to each other came from and you are going off on me in anger grin

FYI God is a great scientific mind if today we require science to understand all he has done and are yet struggling to do so.

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 9:09am On Apr 15, 2018
Treasure17:

Good questions. All these are mysterious that you can't explain even with science and logic. At the end of the day, you either believe or you don't.

Do you think 'belief' is then a reasonable factor to base our confidence since it accommodates so much uncertainty?

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:17am On Apr 15, 2018
johnydon22:
Create a creature, how?
What does it mean to create a creature here?
to modify an already existing creature or to create an entirely new one from the scratch?
I do not know of any such laws, care to mention one?

We already do, many things you know of today in nature is due to our interference.

Amazing, you should have a nobel prize already my brother. This is the holy grail of biological science, creating a new life from the scratch.

No it is not, and i disagree that you can do this neither is it detrimental to the existence of humanity.

Fair enough

I do not understand this question. This is like asking, have you asked why plants are not made of you.

You are not made of plants because you are not a plant, if you were a plant, you would be made of plant (plant cells)

1. read the "regulation of genetic engineering", these are strict laws guiding genetic modification and engineering, it makes sure that no one comes up with dangerous species..

2. Like I said, with suitable laboratory and equipment, one can understand the condition necessary to build a new gene and histones from the scratch and make a new organism, it may take years but its achievable

3. I asked why we are not made of plants Becuase we eat plants because the original poster said plants should be made of sand because they came from the soil. He forgot that plants don't eat sand, they feed on nutrient stored in the sand
Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by Nobody: 9:19am On Apr 15, 2018
Butterflyleo:


I.am not referring to what anyone on any pulpit told me and I didn't say God made the first chemical. All I did was ask you to tell me where the these chemicals which react to each other came from and you are going off on me in anger grin

FYI God is a great scientific mind if today we require science to understand all he has done and are yet struggling to do so.
so show us proof of where God is and a video of him making the first chemical reaction

Also tell us the kind of reaction he did

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Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(m): 9:23am On Apr 15, 2018
nwabekeyi:


1. read the "regulation of genetic engineering", these are strict laws guiding genetic modification and engineering, it makes sure that no one comes up with dangerous species..
Genetic engineering isn't creating new life from the scratch, its actually just modifying an already existing life.


2. Like I said, with suitable laboratory and equipment, one can understand the condition necessary to build a new gene and histones from the scratch and make a new organism, it may take years but its achievable
A suitable lab do not give one this understanding. I still disagree that you can make new life in the lab brother.


3. I asked why we are not made of plants Becuase we eat plants because the original poster said plants should be made of sand because they came from the soil. He forgot that plants don't eat sand, they feed on nutrient stored in the sand
Fair enough

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