I'm not trying to justify what GEJ said in that interview, but I can still remember him saying when you say someone is corrupt people don't react well but when you say this person is a thief, a lot of people will chase and even stone the person.

I guess that was why he said stealing is not corruption. From what is going on now, we can see the way people are reacting when the word "OLE" which means thief in yoruba language is been use.

Take a look at what happend in rivers state, Ekiti state and kogi state, when we begin to use the word "OLE" these guys we know that we are serious.

GEJ meant that stealing is one aspect of corruption. Godfatherism, nepotism, etc are aspects of corruption.

Buhari is only looking at one aspect of corruption.

Exactly.

Only those foolish people think corruption begins and ends with theft. The biggest form of corruption is 'power abuse' which we are seeing in mass amounts under Buhari.

Exactly

jamace:
GEJ meant that stealing is one aspect of corruption. Godfatherism, nepotism, etc are aspects of corruption.

Buhari is only looking at one aspect of corruption.

You got brains, bro.

Igbo people at it again fooling themselves. If corruption is not stealing what is it ?

fallout87:
Exactly.

Only those foolish people think corruption begins and ends with theft. The biggest form of corruption is 'power abuse' which we are seeing in mass amounts under Buhari.

you are intelligent my man

Every Sunday we get this guilt filled self justifying semantics about corruption and stealing. The dunce whose regime oversaw the greatest looting in Nigeria knows himself. We have not heard the worst of it. Malabu, NNPC, NPDC, CBN Security funds theft. Many more are coming. The tool has been booted out, it is in the history books that he was booted out because of corruption. Most countries in the world have the details and have accepted it.
The only thing to gain from it is hard lessons.

Most Nigerians don't know that Godfatherism, nepotism etc is corruption, they believe corruption have a lot to do with stealing, so when you say this person is corrupt then the next person or that man or woman on the road will just believe he is a thief.

To get more reaction, simply call them OLE, now talking about other aspect of corruption, I think the people need to be enlighten, the government can't do this because they it will be against them, we need to make people understand that corruption is not all about stealing.

udemzy101:
I'm not trying to justify what GEJ said in that interview, but I can still remember him saying when you say someone is corrupt people don't react well but when you say this person is a thief, a lot of people will chase and even stone the person.

I guess that was why he said stealing is not corruption. From what is going on now, we can see the way people are reacting when the word "OLE" which means thief in yoruba language is been use.

Take a look at what happend in rivers state, Ekiti state and kogi state, when we begin to use the word "OLE" these guys we know that we are serious.

So what will you call someone who quoted and got approvals to supply items that everybody knows for 10 times the price and got 100% payment upfront?

What do you term the malibu oil deal that all other foreign nationals that was involved had served jail time?

Do you take these cases to court on "mere stealing" charge or corrupt enrichment.

wirinet:


So what will you call someone who quoted and got approvals to supply items that everybody knows for 10 times the price and got 100% payment upfront?

What do you term the malibu oil deal that all other foreign nationals that was involved had served jail time?

Do you take these cases to court on "mere stealing" charge or corrupt enrichment.

You're argument is vague..... Corruption is a compound word which can be relative. If someone goes to a shop and steal some items and people are shouting, " corruption corruption", what do you think will be people's reactions? People will even be looking at the person, like, what's he saying.... Now compared to when he's shouting thief thief.....
Now GEJ was trying to explain to people like you that anyone who steals government's money should be called a thief and not say the person is corrupt.

corruption is a catch all term for negative actions...

on its own, it is not specific to any negativity unless put in context...

for instance, if a man is called 'corrupt', the context of his corruption must be put into prospective. is he a thief? is he a fornicator/adulterous? is he a rapist? is he a chronic liar?


in fact, a case of corruption cannot be taken to court without specify the type of corruption committed...

that was what GEJ was alluding to, though he put it in a very dumb manner that left it open to twisting...

Shawnnn01:
Igbo people at it again fooling themselves. If corruption is not stealing what is it ?

Tribalism is everything for some of you

When I use my influence as a director in a ministry to give my younger brother a contract have I stolen? The answer is no but using my power for personal advantage is corruption

Good analogy....

toolovely:


You're argument is vague..... Corruption is a compound word which can be relative. If someone goes to a shop and steal some items and people are shouting, " corruption corruption", what do you think will be people's reactions? People will even be looking at the person, like, what's he saying.... Now compared to when he's shouting thief thief.....
Now GEJ was trying to explain to people like you that anyone who steals government's money should be called a thief and not say the person is corrupt.

toolovely:


You're argument is vague..... Corruption is a compound word which can be relative. If someone goes to a shop and steal some items and people are shouting, " corruption corruption", what do you think will be people's reactions? People will even be looking at the person, like, what's he saying.... Now compared to when he's shouting thief thief.....
Now GEJ was trying to explain to people like you that anyone who steals government's money should be called a thief and not say the person is corrupt.

You did not answer my question. So we should shouting "thief, thief on government officials who collect bribes or kick backs to do their jobs. We should be shouting thief, thief on government officials who were involved in the fuel subsidy scam. What is Abba Moro who was involved in the employment scam? We should shout thief, thief, right?

Are you aware that there is a crime of theft in out statute books, and there is a crime of corrupt enrichment. Are you also aware that EFCC was set up specifically to prosecute corruption and other related crimes. Are you saying EFCC should go after theft?
Do you even know that corrupt enrichment is a far more serious crime than theft?

Corruption involves the abuse of authority or power for personal gain, either materially, financially or otherwise. There is no country on earth that feels stealing is a more serious crime than corruption.

government officials who collect bribes or kick backs are corrupt.
fuel subsidy scam was corruption under gej. it's corruption under buhari.
Abba Moro who was involved in the employment scam is corrupt.
the above have very little to do with theft.

crime of theft is properly enforced in our constitution.
crime of corrupt enrichment has very little documentation in the constitution. that's why all the prosecutions are hanging in the air.
EFCC was set up specifically to prosecute corruption but the last point renders it a toothless bulldog.
There is no country on earth that feels stealing is a more serious crime- except Nigeria.

there. questions answered.

wirinet:


You did not answer my question. So we should shouting "thief, thief on government officials who collect bribes or kick backs to do their jobs. We should be shouting thief, thief on government officials who were involved in the fuel subsidy scam. What is Abba Moro who was involved in the employment scam? We should shout thief, thief, right?

Are you aware that there is a crime of theft in out statute books, and there is a crime of corrupt enrichment. Are you also aware that EFCC was set up specifically to prosecute corruption and other related crimes. Are you saying EFCC should go after theft?
Do you even know that corrupt enrichment is a far more serious crime than theft?

Corruption involves the abuse of authority or power for personal gain, either materially, financially or otherwise. There is no country on earth that feels stealing is a more serious crime than corruption.

debaj10:
government officials who collect bribes or kick backs are corrupt.
fuel subsidy scam was corruption under gej. it's corruption under buhari.
Abba Moro who was involved in the employment scam is corrupt.
the above have very little to do with theft.

crime of theft is properly enforced in our constitution.
crime of corrupt enrichment has very little documentation in the constitution. that's why all the prosecutions are hanging in the air.
EFCC was set up specifically to prosecute corruption but the last point renders it a toothless bulldog.
There is no country on earth that feels stealing is a more serious crime- except Nigeria.

there. questions answered.

The annoying thing is that die hard supporters are trying to rationalise the obvious gaffe by Jonathan. Corruption is very difficult to prosecute because it is perpetuated by people in power, they use official documentation to cover up all their evil deeds and use their power to stall, impede and disrupt evidence necessary for prosecution.

Theft on the other hand is very easy to prosecute, you just need to catch the accused in possession of the stolen item or provide evidence (video or eyewitness) that the accused and you have a conviction.

wirinet:


The annoying thing is that die hard supporters are trying to rationalise the obvious gaffe by Jonathan. Corruption is very difficult to prosecute because it is perpetuated by people in power, they use official documentation to cover up all their evil deeds and use their power to stall, impede and disrupt evidence necessary for prosecution.

Theft on the other hand is very easy to prosecute, you just need to catch the accused in possession of the stolen item or provide evidence (video or eyewitness) that the accused and you have a conviction.

Ol boy, pls take cold water eh?
gej quoted the cjn of the day. in trying to rubbish him, opposition left that part out.
the cjn's article where he wrote a treatise on the issue was in the papers.
Google is ur friend.

nku5:


Tribalism is everything for some of you

When I use my influence as a director in a ministry to give my younger brother a contract have I stolen? The answer is no but using my power for personal advantage is corruption

According to your Igbotic logic this is what erased stealing from being corruption ba ? I know sure say your brain fit function well this millennium.

jamace:
GEJ meant that stealing is one aspect of corruption. Godfatherism, nepotism, etc are aspects of corruption.

Buhari is only looking at one aspect of corruption.

exactly what he meant. i wonder were the narrative of him supporting corruption start from. i have been explaining to people what he meant but still those who chose to believe would believe what they want.i am really surprised that even the educated ones are the most gullible. how would any sane human say it is good to be corrupt?

debaj10:
Ol boy, pls take cold water eh?
gej quoted the cjn of the day. in trying to rubbish him, opposition left that part out.
the cjn's article where he wrote a treatise on the issue was in the papers.
Google is ur friend.

hahahahahaa!! to even think that he was been a rationale argument beats me. i listened to the presidential chat when he tried to explain what he said and i saw alot of sense in what he said. i believe it was the APC that made people to believe he said "stealing is corruption" to mean that he accepted stealing. which is not true. as you said earlier, it was the CJN who made the statement which he repeated.

Shawnnn01:


According to your Igbotic logic this is what erased stealing from being corruption ba ? I know sure say your brain fit function well this millennium.

i wonder were igbo was written in the post there. so now i am wondering what the argument is. is it that you are angry with the man because he said stealing isnt corruption to mean that he supported those who steal or that there should be a classification between cases that are corruption cases and cases of stealing being outrightly called theft? so whats the anger?

Shawnnn01:


According to your Igbotic logic this is what erased stealing from being corruption ba ? I know sure say your brain fit function well this millennium.

Oya bring your own logic