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Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 12:09am On Jun 06, 2018 |
0temSapien: spartan117:Read this. |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by lilliesboy(m): 12:09am On Jun 06, 2018 |
That bloody name - jesus, is a Latin name and that is why it is a popular household name in many Latin-American countries. But, it has "paganic" origins in Greek and Jewish myths. 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 12:15am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:according to your claim, Judea also fell alongside isreal and this was where Jesus was born because herod was the roaman King of Judea even before Jesus was born. These areas has already falling to the Roman empire before the birth of Jesus, so how do you now explain herod a roman king trying to kill Jesus before his birth? |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Maamin(m): 12:18am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: Lol! O I see, transliteration is your major problem. Yeshua is the English transliteration of the Hebrew text of that very name. 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 12:19am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:The prophecy mentioned just the kingdom of Israel(Ephraim) and the Kingdom of Syria,and he said these two Kingdoms shall be forsaken. There was not a king of Syria nor was there a king of Israel during the time of jesus so the prophecy was fulfilled. Any more questions concerning this prophecy? |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 12:20am On Jun 06, 2018 |
Maamin:yes, that's what I want to hear, so how did Jesus come to be and what does it mean? |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 12:28am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:lol, is it the same Syria that still exist till date or another Syria? You are not getting it, isreal already fell before th birth of Jesus and that's contrary to what the prophesy said, the prophesy said the kindgdom will fall after the birth of Immanuel and before Immanuel start differentiating good from bad Think about it, don't believe things because you want to believe them. Read the prophesy again then reread what you answered, it doesn't correlate with the prophesy. Do you guys even understand the bible at all? That's why you always call on the holy spirit, its simple English |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by MuttleyLaff: 12:33am On Jun 06, 2018 |
lilliesboy:I rather a bloody name that saves, than one that cant or doesnt save. lilliesboy:So? lilliesboy:It is a popular household name in many Latin-American countries because they see part of themselves represented in the name lilliesboy:Saying it has "paganic" origins in Greek and Jewish myths is a myth and enemy propaganda material. Maamin: nwabekeyi:nwabekeyi, once vaxx gets back, you'll see how did Jesus come to be and what does it mean. Watch the space 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Maamin(m): 12:36am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: The same thing the Hebrew variant means, the differences is just the language in which it was translated or transliterated . Esther = Babylonian Hadassah = Hebraic Moses = Egyptian Moshey = Hebraic |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by 0temSapien: 12:43am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117: Isaiah 7:16 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. You can twist things sha. Well, it's the birthmark of Christians to twist things all the time. Now read what Isaiah said will happen. He said that the two kings will forsake their lands. Pls tell me where it is written in your Bible that the two kings left(forsake) their land. Your Bible didn't say that Romans will conquer them, rather it said that they will run away from their lands. |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 12:43am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:you don't understand isreal and it's tribes hence you make lot of mistakes. There was no king in isreal even as at the time the prophesy was made. Isreal has 12 tribes, the tribe of Ephraim is a subtribe from the major tribe of Joseph alongside Manasseh, so everyone from tribe Ephraim is of Joseph. Ahaz was the king of Judah which was also one of the 12 tribes, so isreal didn't have a collective king. Now the prophesy did not say isreal will be conquered, it said "Ephraim" will be conquered. The prophesy didn't also say that Judah the kingdom of Ahaz as at then will be conquered but your illustration suggested that both Ephraim and Judah were conquered before the birth of Jesus and this is in total opposition to the prophesy. |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by 0temSapien: 12:45am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:Thumbs up for you. Let's see how he will be able to twist his way out of this. |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 12:47am On Jun 06, 2018 |
Maamin:I don't understand this, do you mean Esther has the same meaning as Moses? |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 12:59am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:Herod was made king over Judea. Judea is the modern name of Southern part Canaan and Part of Syria. So herod was king at the birth of Jesus but he died before Jesus was old enough to know right from wrong, hence the prophesy according to Isaiah was fulfilled. https://bible.org/article/birth-jesus-christ Any more questions? 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Maamin(m): 1:04am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: No! Just drawing other similar references that's all While it seems like you have edited your initial comment, here is a screen shot from abarim publications about the Egyptian etymology of the name Moses Though not 100% agreed on that site.
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Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 1:05am On Jun 06, 2018 |
0temSapien:He never said two kings will forsake their land, he said he will forsake the land of Canaan which happened to have 2 kings in it at that time. For before the child shall know [enough] to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land [Canaan] whose two kings you abhor and of whom you are in sickening dread shall be forsaken [both Ephraim and Syria]. Isaiah 7:16 At the time the prophesy was fulfilled, the land of Canaan happened to have just one king. That is king herod of Judea (which comprises Ephraim and Syria I.e Canaan) |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 1:06am On Jun 06, 2018 |
@nwabekeyi I'll answer any more questions tomorrow. Good night |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by 0temSapien: 1:10am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:happy twisting... ...shall be forsaken of both her kings... Twisted to: who will forsake the land, pls? |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by lilliesboy(m): 1:11am On Jun 06, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:WHO and WHO has that bloody name saved apart from saving you from reasoning like an intelligent human being instead of like an animal in the jungle? 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 1:14am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:lol, why can't you just say you don't know something instead of making several flaws , you keep running from pillar to pole. 1. Herod wasn't the king who tormented Ahaz, herod is not from the tribe of Ephraim nor syria, herod is Roman. You really messed up here 2. Herod died at 39AD, so that doesnt account for the part of the prophesy that said the king will die before Immanuel know difference between good and bad. Just tell us that you don't have the answers instead of goofing, there's no shame in that 3. 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by MuttleyLaff: 1:15am On Jun 06, 2018 |
lilliesboy:Are we getting especially mouthy now like a four-year-old brat? 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 1:18am On Jun 06, 2018 |
Maamin:the Hebrew and Egypt version Moses means to different things, read it well, so how come Yeshua and Jesus will mean the same thing? Two different transliteration from one source, that doesn't make any sense, we know what yeshua means, we are still yet to find out what Jesus means |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by MuttleyLaff: 1:24am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:I've told you already that once vaxx gets back, you WILL find out what Jesus means nwabekeyi Hang on to your knickers, cos when you do, it's going to be a simple and easy fun ride. |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 1:26am On Jun 06, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I'm really very curious to know, if I must accept a name, I should know everything about that name. Its safer that way |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by MuttleyLaff: 1:37am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:https://www.nairaland.com/4544398/somebody-explain-me-how-arrived/1#68216015 nwabekeyi, although its you who opened the thread, remember, it was vaxx who sent out my invite so no matter how impatient you're becoming, we just have to await vaxx and his reply to the above link nwabekeyi:This your pursuit of accurate understanding is an admirable quality |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 7:52am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:Herod was a usurper that was appointed king by the Romans just as pekah king of Israel at the time the prophesy was made was also a usurper of the throne. Please note that the prophesy was not against the house of David, but against the two Kingdoms that were in Canaan (usurpers) And say to him, Take heed and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted because of these two stumps of smoking firebrands—at the fierce anger of [the Syrian King] Rezin and Syria and of the son of Remaliah [Pekah, usurper of the throne of Israel]. Isaiah 7:4 And try to verify your facts. Historians postulate that jesus was taken to Egypt in order to flee herod as a baby , herod died while jesus was still very young, they didn't have to spend long in Egypt before herod died. Herod died in 1bc not 49ad as you claim it's utterly ridiculous to think that he died at 49ad where did you get this fact from https://strangenotions.com/jesus-birth-and-when-herod-the-great-really-died/ 1 Like |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 7:57am On Jun 06, 2018 |
0temSapien:This dude lacks sound understanding Read the scripture again, take it very slowly, then if you can't figure that out then I can't help you. :For before the child shall know [enough] to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land [Canaan] whose two kings you abhor and of whom you are in sickening dread shall be forsaken [both Ephraim and Syria]. Isaiah 7:16 |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by johnydon22(m): 9:20am On Jun 06, 2018 |
realmindz: The very first time I came across Otem's write ups on this board, that is, he was just starting up. I thought they were nonsense but I also thought it can only take a mad genius to spin out such masterpieces with accuracy and amazing consistency. Now, years later. I still think it's nonsense but still more than ever confirm that Otem is an incredibly mad genius that deserves full accolades for his ingenuity, consistency and creativity. Summary: Otem is a mad genius. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 9:24am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:you are getting it all wrong Sir, accept that you don't know it, there's no shame in it. I must have misconstrued Herod's death, I was wrong But you are totally wrong in all your attempts to twist the story, herod was not the king of Ephraim or Syria, he was the roman king of Judea (Judah), the same kingdom that Azah ruled when the prophesy came. The prophesy was meant to conquer Ephraim and Syria, not Judea |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 9:28am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:you are the person that lacks sound understanding of Israeli tribes. The prophesy was meant for Ephraim and Syria to be conquered, not Judea, Judea was the land that was said by the prophesy to be victorious and its this same Judea that herod ruled. Again, the story doesn't concern herod at all, not one bit, the story is suppose to concern the ruler of Ephraim and Syria |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by spartan117(m): 9:30am On Jun 06, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:Ok this discussion is beginning to travel around in circles if that's what you want to believe, it's OK. Have a nice day |
Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me How We Arrived At The Name "Jesus"? by Nobody: 9:34am On Jun 06, 2018 |
spartan117:it's not all about what you and I believe, it's all about what facts present... I'm still waiting for the meaning of Jesus |
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