Hello youtube nairaland.
Yesterday we talked about the foundational lies of this cult.
Today we'll take a look at the doctrinal lies of these cult.

The foundation is what a structure is built upon. Take it away or crack it and the structure false.
In the same way, crack the foundational lies of the JWs and their pack of card crumbles.
The doctrinal lies build on that unsure foundation.

1) Jesus is not God
the jw pervert the word of God by changing the scriptures to say that Jesus isnt God.
IN John 1 v1 - in all other bibles except the nwt, it says that Jesus is God.
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD"
the JWs insert an a before that and use a small g- blasphemy.
For people who are anal about the name of God!! This is pathetic.

2) Jesus didnt rise bodily
If you dont believe in the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave,you are not saved.
The bible says this.
1 cor 15 v 14 - "if christ be not risen,then is our preaching in vain and your faith is also in vain".
JWs will argue and lie to you to your face on this issue!!
Of course we know the inspiration between this. Satan himself! Jesus' resurrection turned the game on him, he wouldnt want any one telling that fact! He is okay with saying Jesus died, but Jesus rose again! No!!
So, since JWs dont believe this,they are not saved. they are just practicing religion.

3) The Holy Spirit is NOT a person
How some one can believe this is absurd. But the jw teach this.
You can point them to the scriptures that says that the Holy Spirit is referred to with a male gender , He.
That the Holy spirit speaks
Can be greived
etc
and it will wash off them like water off a ducks back!!

4) only 144 000 will make it to heaven
They base this belief on the verse of scripture in revelation talking about the 144 000 and thinking men with their heads on who can read and write buy this crap.
The bible says "144 000 from the tribes of isreal". How can one be misled by that? Not from the whole earth.
Then what did Jesus go to do all these years? The mansions he was preparing are for who? 144000?

5) Jesus came in 1914
This is like comedic relief. Like seriously,you are joking sir?
see why religion requires people to turn their heads off!
The bible says that when He,Jesus,comes 'All eyes shall see him"
apart from the rapture, Jesus doesnt come clandestinely.
Who saw when Jesus came in 1914? the "elders"?! yeah- right. How many elders were born then anyway?

6) the elders are the only anointed ones.
In the new testament the christian is a king and priest. (1 peter 2 v 9)
In the old testament,a priest and king had to be anointed to function in his office.
But in the jw, only the "elders" are anointed by God , the rest are just second class citizens and so must
look to and listen to the elders- see how control works.

7)blood transfusion is sin
cuz it is akin to eating blood!! how about kidney or heart transplant- eating flesh? cannibalism?
Many lives have been lost to this satanic doctrine!

dishonour for governments
The bible says we should pray for rulers and those in government.
The jw preach dishonouring their government. They dont sing national anthem etc
Yet they expect the government to implement fair policies!!! the expect the government to give pensions to its retirees! do they reject government pensions? do they reject government military protection in favour of Jehovah's?
Hypocritical.
This view cannot be comprehensively supported by scriptures.

9) Jesus didnt create all things
the bible says "By him were ALL THINGS MADE THAT WERE MADE ... " Colossians 1 v 16
the jw bible inserts the word "other" to read by Him were all other thingsmade...
A blatant twist of scriptures to suit their theology.
They denounce other translations as corrupt but their are terribly doctored.
Of course they'll argue this with semantics and dead logic. Point is, why doesnt their scriptures translate the original manuscript as it is?
There's more...

You are such a jobless fool. If you don't have any point of discourse go and and Jump into the nearest lagoon. JW are the only Christian religious organization I will respect till death because of their careful analysis of biblical truth.

Most of the point you raised here are those twisted by you to suite your lies against them.

1) the concept of trinity is one I do not believe personally. Being in God's form is not the same as being a sovereign Lord. The bible tells us that Jesus prays to his father who greater than he is, he came to earth to do the will of his father and not his will and told all who cares to know to follow same pattern. Why don't u check d implications of the Lords prayer.

Truth hurts doesnt it.
did you read somewhere in the bible that Jesus being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God . Jesus = God.
philipians 2 v 6. Note the words. Jesus being in the form of God (not an angel as you watchtower brainwashes it's victims to believe) ...
2) Equal to God (what more , how much clearer can that be ) . Jesus is equal to God ...

Is this another twisted point? Or you cant read. Or you cant understand simple bible interpretation.

Did you read in the scriptures that Jesus, Who is God and was God in heaven before becoming a man, emptied himself of his power and came to earth as a man?
phil 2 v 7. In his form as a man He, Jesus, had to be anointed by the Holy Spirit (this happened during his baptism at the river Jordan). Does God need to be anointed?
Jesus did not miracle and didnt begin his ministry before he was empowered by the Holy Spirit- does God need extra empowerment? Think?!
On earth , Jesus was dependent on the Holy Spirit and the direction of the Father.
That doesnt make him inferior to any of them. They are co-equal.

In the model of the Lord's prayer do you see Jesus ask his disciples and future disciples to say our Jehovah in heaven?
No! The hang up over a name is the invention of man.
Jesus says, as children dont call Him by formal names, but see God as your loving heavenly daddy- he says pray this way "our Father, who art in heaven" . Not the term- a loving Father.
In the book of Romans the word Abba is used , which is like Daddy.
Anyway, you are the one who is decieved and lost.
Only a satanic organization will comeup with rules and protocols that are meaningless when the heart of God is drawing his children back into a RELATIONSHIP with Him, where they can go beyond calling Him, by any formal name but rather as "Daddy"!.

Make your points with the scriptures and stop spewing nonsense out of your mouth.
Your are either in deception or not. Think.

Jesús (the word) WAS God. John 1:1 According to the text it's evident that the issue is past therefore Jesus was God meaning He is no more serving in that capacity.1Corinthians 15:25-28 For example Moses also served as God at a point in time but that doesn't make Moses equal to the almighty God who gave him the authority to occupy that position for a purpose and period. Exodus 7:1 My friend if you want to preach and teach i'll advise that you're sure of whatever you want to say that is what will give you the impetus to go out and knock on people's doors with confidence just as Jesus commissioned the work,not Just sitting down in a place and typing all these on social media. Jesus is Lord only for those who are obeying His command to GO OUT and make disciples from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:3-22,28:19,20 Act 5:42, 20:20

@Asalimpo ,again U lied that "the JW pervert the word of God by changing the scripture to say that Jesus isn't God in John1:1 in other Bible except NWT".
Guy ,U too sabi lie .
To start with, John1 :1 in over 14 different Bible versions reads "a god was the word" .Why ? Because they know that the trinity doctrine is a FRAUD.
The John 1:1 transliteration of the Greek manuscript to English reads thus:
"In beginning was the word and the word was with the god & god was the word."
That is what the Greek manuscript says.
The 2nd century Sahidic Coptic Bible reads : "In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word".
Asalimpo ,does "god" & "God" have the same meaning in English language?
Between the NWT ,Sahidic Coptic Bible & KJV, who adhered faithfully to the Greek manuscript ? In the Greek manuscript, Acts28:6 & John 1:1 have the same grammatical construction. Yet,the fraud was perpetuated by your 'fellow gang members' (trinitarians) changing small letter. "god" in John 1:1 to big letter "God" to fraudulently alter the scripture.
Again, the fraud was perpetuated in 1Tim3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh" (KJV) but the Greek manuscript reads: "He who appeared in the flesh..."
Another fraud is 1st John5:7(KJV) ".. the father the word & the holy ghost:& these three are one". (what a cold blooded forgery! )
But the Greek manuscript actually reads: " There are three that testify". Then v8. begins.
Asalimpo, wetin una no go do just. to defend a fallacy borrowed from pagans !
(Source: John1:1 wikipedia)
Asalimpo,how many more lies do U have to spread in other to malign Jehovah's holy name & his people?

OneJ:
@Asalimpo ,again U lied that "the JW pervert the word of God by changing the scripture to say that Jesus isn't God in John1:1 in other Bible except NWT".
Guy ,U too sabi lie .
To start with, John1 :1 in over 14 different Bible versions reads "a god was the word" .Why ? Because they know that the trinity doctrine is a FRAUD.
The John 1:1 transliteration of the Greek manuscript to English reads thus:
"In beginning was the word and the word was with the god & god was the word."
That is what the Greek manuscript says.
The 2nd century Sahidic Coptic Bible reads : "In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word".
Asalimpo ,does "god" & "God" have the same meaning in English language?
Between the NWT ,Sahidic Coptic Bible & KJV, who adhered faithfully to the Greek manuscript ? In the Greek manuscript, Acts28:6 & John 1:1 have the same grammatical construction. Yet,the fraud was perpetuated by your 'fellow gang members' (trinitarians) changing small letter. "god" in John 1:1 to big letter "God" to fraudulently alter the scripture.
Again, the fraud was perpetuated in 1Tim3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh" (KJV) but the Greek manuscript reads: "He who appeared in the flesh..."
Another fraud is 1st John5:7(KJV) ".. the father the word & the holy ghost:& these three are one". (what a cold blooded forgery! )
But the Greek manuscript actually reads: " There are three that testify". Then v8. begins.
Asalimpo, wetin una no go do just. to defend a fallacy borrowed from pagans !
(Source: John1:1 wikipedia)
Asalimpo,how many more lies do U have to spread in other to malign Jehovah's holy name & his people?

You are making arguments for the non diety of Jesus.
From which manuscript was the NWT translated?
if it is greek, it reads that the Word was God. There's no lower case or context other than that.
Context is man injected!!
So the original greek manuscripts were doctored!!! woooo!! Man are you lost!
Then let's not go to the greek sources then.
Did you know that they are so many greek copies that it is impossible to doctor them all?
Over 5 000 copies of the greek manuscript exists. Who would have had the resources and scale to counterfeid them all? You r lost.
This is the interpretation from the greek.
"in the beginning was the Word (Logos) and the Word was with God (Theon) and God (Theos) was the Word.
2) He was in the beginning with God (Theon).
3) All things (note this carefully) through Him (who? the Word) emerged. (Everything that was ever made)
and without him emerged not even one thing (Not a one!!!) that has emerged . In him life (zoe) was ..."
I'll stop there.
All things emerged through him!
if He was created, then, that verse is patently false.

Jesus is God!!
In him was life (did you read that?)
Who has life except God!?

Proving the diety of Jesus is a fruitless exercise at this point. There is too much information out there proving it. Note that the Watch tower had to alter that verse that says in Him emerged (created) all things to read all "other" things - blatant lie!!!

OneJ:
@Asalimpo ,again U lied that "the JW pervert the word of God by changing the scripture to say that Jesus isn't God in John1:1 in other Bible except NWT".
Guy ,U too sabi lie .
To start with, John1 :1 in over 14 different Bible versions reads "a god was the word" .Why ? Because they know that the trinity doctrine is a FRAUD.
The John 1:1 transliteration of the Greek manuscript to English reads thus:
"In beginning was the word and the word was with the god & god was the word."
That is what the Greek manuscript says.
The 2nd century Sahidic Coptic Bible reads : "In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word".
Asalimpo ,does "god" & "God" have the same meaning in English language?
Between the NWT ,Sahidic Coptic Bible & KJV, who adhered faithfully to the Greek manuscript ? In the Greek manuscript, Acts28:6 & John 1:1 have the same grammatical construction. Yet,the fraud was perpetuated by your 'fellow gang members' (trinitarians) changing small letter. "god" in John 1:1 to big letter "God" to fraudulently alter the scripture.
Again, the fraud was perpetuated in 1Tim3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh" (KJV) but the Greek manuscript reads: "He who appeared in the flesh..."
Another fraud is 1st John5:7(KJV) ".. the father the word & the holy ghost:& these three are one". (what a cold blooded forgery! )
But the Greek manuscript actually reads: " There are three that testify". Then v8. begins.
Asalimpo, wetin una no go do just. to defend a fallacy borrowed from pagans !
(Source: John1:1 wikipedia)
Asalimpo,how many more lies do U have to spread in other to malign Jehovah's holy name & his people?

1 john 5 v7 in the greek reads:
"for three they are that bearing testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three one are ".
Have a problem with that?
Or is the greek (5000+ copies) all corrupted?

What about these verse in isaiah 44v6
There God calls himself the first and the last. (fair enough)
Then, in rev 22 v 3 : Jesus calls Himself the first and the last? (oops!! Blasphemy or truth?)
Go figure.
You simply have to be deliberately blind to deny the diety of Christ.
You chose.
Like i said, a pattern in all cults is to put down Jesus
then introduce subtle lies which go onto bigger lies
the other times the greek uses the word God not in reference to Almighty God is
in philipians 3 v9 and 2 cor 4 v4. the word is still theos but lower case.
Now, ignoring case, assuming the greek didnt have upper or lower case distinctions,
the context still defines the scope of meaning of the word.
god of this world
belly god.
so the scope conveys precisely the range of rulership of this theoses mentioned.
If Jesus was a lesser theos, then it would clearly spelled out.
Besides if you deny the trinity but use lower 'g' for the word what does your society then believe in? certainly not a monotheistic diety.
the names of Jesus in isaiah say he is God.
"Mighty God, Everlasting Father ... ".
when Jesus was born,Matthew 1 v23- his name is Immanuel (meaning God with us) - not an angel or a lower god. But God with man. Again, you see the concept of naming. Giving God a name that partains to a particular function- in the case God with His people.
God has many many names.

..........all these religious bickering and division eh....e tire me well well. Majoring in minor issues and Minoring in Major issues.

Central message for salvation "believe in the Lord Jesus, forsake your sins, accept as lord and savior and ye shall be saved...."



Unless any doctrine thwarts, twists, distorts, deviates from this central theme of salvation, then lets not squabble over peripheral issues.

What you believe about origin of life, deity of Jesus, Blood transfusion, tithing, women being pastors, modesty dressing, baptism, end times, rapture, hell, judgment etc. etc etc. is just that---fillers for the main story of salvation.

Let's leave at that, get along. And let God be the Judge.

Xiadnat:
..........all these religious bickering and division eh....e tire me well well. Majoring in minor issues and Minoring in Major issues.

Central message for salvation "believe in the Lord Jesus, forsake your sins, accept as lord and savior and ye shall be saved...."



Unless any doctrine thwarts, twists, distorts, deviates from this central theme of salvation, then lets not squabble over peripheral issues.

What you believe about origin of life, deity of Jesus, Blood transfusion, tithing, women being pastors, modesty dressing, baptism, end times, rapture, hell, judgment etc. etc etc. is just that---fillers for the main story of salvation.

Let's leave at that, get along. And let God be the Judge.

The problem is the same as it is from the beginning, there is always a form of worship God accept and Satan often gather people against it. Malachi clearly stated in chp 3:16-18 that during the end time you'll notice a religious group that's well known for going about to discuss with their neighbors concerning sacred matters, God will command angels to pen down the names of those who are zealously doing this with those who are responding to them(Revelation 20:15) it will serve as a sign for those searching for pure worship! 500 years later Jesus (Christ) commissioned a preaching and teaching program(Matthew 10:3-26,28:19,20)Immediately Satan disorganized the setting so that it didn't survive to the second century(Act 13:50)but during this end time Jesus in spirit re-energized some people who searched diligently for pure worship organized them and made them begin the work again.Matthew 13:24-30 So Satan again has started looking for ways to stop the work but unlike the first century when Satan was able to use the world power(Rome) back then, today's world power (America) has declared freedom of expression and worship so enemies of pure worship can't stop it anymore but to keep agitating undercover! Let those who have ears listen.

@ Asalimpo : The forgery in 1John5:7 "the father the word & the holy ghost: These three are one" is NOT found in any Greek manuscript before the 16th century".
The oldest Greek manuscripts do not contain that forgery inserted into the scripture. Check RSV ,NIV ,ASV etc that forgery no dey.

asalimpo:

1 john 5 v7 in the greek reads:
"for three they are that bearing testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three one are ".
Have a problem with that?
Or is the greek (5000+ copies) all corrupted?

What about these verse in isaiah 44v6
There God calls himself the first and the last. (fair enough)
Then, in rev 22 v 3 : Jesus calls Himself the first and the last? (oops!! Blasphemy or truth?)
Go figure.
You simply have to be deliberately blind to deny the diety of Christ.
You chose.
Like i said, a pattern in all cults is to put down Jesus
then introduce subtle lies which go onto bigger lies
the other times the greek uses the word God not in reference to Almighty God is
in philipians 3 v9 and 2 cor 4 v4. the word is still theos but lower case.
Now, ignoring case, assuming the greek didnt have upper or lower case distinctions,
the context still defines the scope of meaning of the word.
god of this world
belly god.
so the scope conveys precisely the range of rulership of this theoses mentioned.
If Jesus was a lesser theos, then it would clearly spelled out.
Besides if you deny the trinity but use lower 'g' for the word what does your society then believe in? certainly not a monotheistic diety.
the names of Jesus in isaiah say he is God.
"Mighty God, Everlasting Father ... ".
when Jesus was born,Matthew 1 v23- his name is Immanuel (meaning God with us) - not an angel or a lower god. But God with man. Again, you see the concept of naming. Giving God a name that partains to a particular function- in the case God with His people.
God has many many names.

Theo's everywhere , Are humans GODS [THEOS] as well ?

OneJ:
@ Asalimpo : The forgery in 1John5:7 "the father the word & the holy ghost: These three are one" is NOT found in any Greek manuscript before the 16th century".
The oldest Greek manuscripts do not contain that forgery inserted into the scripture. Check RSV ,NIV ,ASV etc that forgery no dey.

The RSV,NIV,ASV
are derived from the catholic corrupted vulgate which heavily altered the original texts.
The catholic church has massive incentive to suppress the word- they had the money,
the organization and the intent. They spear headed the inquisition.
For centuries they kept millions of people under religious bondage by outright lies and
deciet.

They are just too many greek manuscripts for any single entity to corrupt. Over 5000+.
Who had the resources or the organizational know how to execute such a forgery?
That's like corrupting a statement made on the internet today!! CAn you? Honestly can you?
Once something has gone online - it's gone and archived forever? The infomation will spread.
That's how they were able to have so mny greek manuscripts. Faithful christians spread the word.
The truth cannot be hidden.

asalimpo:

The RSV,NIV,ASV
are derived from the catholic corrupted vulgate which heavily altered the original texts.
The catholic church has massive incentive to suppress the word- they had the money,
the organization and the intent. They spear headed the inquisition.
For centuries they kept millions of people under religious bondage by outright lies and
deciet.

They are just too many greek manuscripts for any single entity to corrupt. Over 5000+.
Who had the resources or the organizational know how to execute such a forgery?
That's like corrupting a statement made on the internet today!! CAn you? Honestly can you?
Once something has gone online - it's gone and archived forever? The infomation will spread.
That's how they were able to have so mny greek manuscripts. Faithful christians spread the word.
The truth cannot be hidden.

I so much appreciate this statement of yours "the Catholic Church had massive incentives to suppressed (God's word)" and "they spearheaded the inquisition" If that is the case then why are you all just following the TRINITY,HELLFIRE,POLITICS,RELIGIOUS TITLE and INTERFAITH doctrines that had no reference in the Bible and beliefs of ancient Israelites but was championed by the same Roman Catholic Church? Please before your accusations against Jehovah's witnesses for heresy could be justified without been biased you must first ascertain the facts by comparing various Greek texts knowing the REAL meaning of each text and topics for debate. Otherwise everything could be attributed to interpretations by the Holy Spirit just as you're seeing it today "different religions have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines" all claiming Christians under the umbrella of ONE God,ONE Son and One Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10 & Philippians 2:2

asalimpo:

The RSV,NIV,ASV
are derived from the catholic corrupted vulgate which heavily altered the original texts.
The catholic church has massive incentive to suppress the word- they had the money,
the organization and the intent. They spear headed the inquisition.
For centuries they kept millions of people under religious bondage by outright lies and
deciet.

They are just too many greek manuscripts for any single entity to corrupt. Over 5000+.
Who had the resources or the organizational know how to execute such a forgery?
That's like corrupting a statement made on the internet today!! CAn you? Honestly can you?
Once something has gone online - it's gone and archived forever? The infomation will spread.
That's how they were able to have so mny greek manuscripts. Faithful christians spread the word.
The truth cannot be hidden.

calm down, oldest manuscript of that passage is the vaticanus from the 4th century and it carries an umlaut which mean the text has a textual variant.

Riofidelio:
I so much appreciate this statement of yours "the Catholic Church had massive incentives to suppressed (God's word)" and "they spearheaded the inquisition" If that is the case then why are you all just following the TRINITY,HELLFIRE,POLITICS,RELIGIOUS TITLE and INTERFAITH doctrines that had no reference in the Bible and beliefs of ancient Israelites but was championed by the same Roman Catholic Church? Please before your accusations against Jehovah's witnesses for heresy could be justified without been biased you must first ascertain the facts by comparing various Greek texts knowing the REAL meaning of each text and topics for debate. Otherwise everything could be attributed to interpretations by the Holy Spirit just as you're seeing it today "different religions have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines" all claiming Christians under the umbrella of ONE God,ONE Son and One Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10 & Philippians 2:2

Perfect response

Ubenedictus:


calm down, oldest manuscript of that passage is the vaticanus from the 4th century and it carries an umlaut which mean the text has a textual variant.

I'll research it. Of course, the bible is so flexible that any body can make up things to support their claim.

DSS1335:


Perfect response

All glory and honour to Jehovah our God and to lamb(Jesus) who was slaughtered so that God's Holy Spirit is released operating on true Christians to respond with wisdom, so it's not that perfect but just a fragment of the fruitage of God's Holy Spirit.However thanks but everyone can learn to do the same if we humble ourselves!

Riofidelio:
All glory and honour to Jehovah our God and to lamb(Jesus) who was slaughtered so that God's Holy Spirit is released operating on true Christians to respond with wisdom, so it's not that perfect but just a fragment of the fruitage of God's Holy Spirit.However thanks but everyone can learn to do the same if we humble ourselves!

I have always been proud of Witnesses wherever I sees them and respect them so much. My old ones and siblings are all dedicated servants; elders, ministerial servants and Regular Pioneers. I have always been the black sheep of the family right from my younger days when i joined police schools down go the academy, every sorts of associations were severed off. Now things got too complicated as I climb higher in d cadre in the present armed system. I desire to return back to the families of witnesses as my conscience prick me each time we are mandated to worship in one of those approved interdenominational chapels. Listening to their twisted teaching every Sunday has been a pain I've got to endure.

DSS1335:


I have always been proud of Witnesses wherever I sees them and respect them so much. My old ones and siblings are all dedicated servants; elders, ministerial servants and Regular Pioneers. I have always been the black sheep of the family right from my younger days when i joined police schools down go the academy, every sorts of associations were severed off. Now things got too complicated as I climb higher in d cadre in the present armed system. I desire to return back to the families of witnesses as my conscience prick me each time we are mandated to worship in one of those approved interdenominational chapels. Listening to their twisted teaching every Sunday has been a pain I've got to endure.

With faith in Jesus' words you will overcome as you trust the utterances of God's ONLY begotten Son. Please try to put faith in him and things will work out good but you must first stop trusting in your own effort! Matthew 16:25-34 Mark 10:28-31 There's nothing that's certain to last with US now till we expire(die) either our PhD or material possessions acquired but whatever we're able to procure with God is totally safe and it's certain we'll be adequately rewarded! Matthew 6:19-21 So my friend ponder over these necessary things because well over 8,000,000 brothers and sisters worldwide are eagerly waiting to welcome you back into the fold!

asalimpo:

I'll research it. Of course, the bible is so flexible that any body can make up things to support their claim.

Well if you're surely interested in knowing truth then i'm using this opportunity to say "welcome in advance as one of Jehovah's witnesses!" because that was how i spent 20 years of my life making researches to find another religious group that's just a little bit closer to Jehovah's witnesses in their established FACTS but was disappointed to know that there's NONE! Already i've been convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that they're Christ's messengers but i tried really hard to get another because i hate CARRYING BAGS full of literatures just to knock on someone's door and be insulted or humiliated, so i was searching for something just similar but after a thorough search i discovered that they're the ONLY religious group practicing true Christianity. Therefore if you don't like becoming one of Jehovah's witnesses i'll advise you to stop the search for the TRUTH because i tell you today that you'll certainly become one of Jehovah's witnesses!

asalimpo:

The RSV,NIV,ASV
are derived from the catholic corrupted vulgate which heavily altered the original texts.
The catholic church has massive incentive to suppress the word- they had the money,
the organization and the intent. They spear headed the inquisition.
For centuries they kept millions of people under religious bondage by outright lies and
deciet.

They are just too many greek manuscripts for any single entity to corrupt. Over 5000+.
Who had the resources or the organizational know how to execute such a forgery?
That's like corrupting a statement made on the internet today!! CAn you? Honestly can you?
Once something has gone online - it's gone and archived forever? The infomation will spread.
That's how they were able to have so mny greek manuscripts. Faithful christians spread the word.
The truth cannot be hidden.

The Latin Vulgate wey be the main text for translation of KJV wey una dey fancy like holy grail naim U dey call "Catholic corrupted Vulgate". I dey laugh in Chinese.
Guy ,as far as 1st John5:7
is concerned ,the KJV is a confirmed forgery.
If U know, U know. Facts are sacred.
...

Riofidelio:
Well if you're surely interested in knowing truth then i'm using this opportunity to say "welcome in advance as one of Jehovah's witnesses!" because that was how i spent 20 years of my life making researches to find another religious group that's just a little bit closer to Jehovah's witnesses in their established FACTS but was disappointed to know that there's NONE! Already i've been convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that they're Christ's messengers but i tried really hard to get another because i hate CARRYING BAGS full of literatures just to knock on someone's door and be insulted or humiliated, so i was searching for something just similar but after a thorough search i discovered that they're the ONLY religious group practicing true Christianity. Therefore if you don't like becoming one of Jehovah's witnesses i'll advise you to stop the search for the TRUTH because i tell you today that you'll certainly become one of Jehovah's witnesses!

I'm open to research and will retract any wrong statement i make rather than defend myself in pride.
However when it comes to JW, count me out. I've found the truth already.
The JW are of course very sweet people.
But confusing civility, sweetness, decorum and politeness with Christianity is misleading.
If so you really dont know what christianity is and have been deceived.
Let me give you a brief summary of Christianity:
It is having a new recreated human spirit- You can't do that. Only God can
If you spirit hasnt been recreated , you are not saved!
2 Cor 5 v 17: "if any man be in christ he is a new creature (the new you is your human spirit) , old things have passed away (your old spirit is gone) and behold all things are become new "
2) You are a spirit being in a physical body:
1 Thess 5 v23 " ... spirit soul and body "
James 2 v 26 " the body without the SPIRIT is dead"

if your spirit hasnt been recreated- you are not saved.
if you die, you die lost.
No matter how many doors you knock on, no matter how holy you lived!

3) Only the BLOOD OF Jesus can cleanse from Sin and Redeem Man.
The Blood of Jesus is like a detergent, it purges from sin - (Isaiah 1 v 18)
if the blood isnt applied from sin- forget it.
All the religious activity man performs cannot cleans him from his sins.
Any religion that doesnt point its members to Jesus for cleansing is false.

4) Salvations is in Christ
In Jesus you have salvation (freedom from hell and eternal torment and the effects of sin - sickness demonic attacks etc
In Jesus you have eternal life
Ephesians 1 vs 7 : In him we have redemption through His BLOOD.

Theyre are many more i could list.
If your religion doesnt tell you this,sorry you are lost.
In this areas, i'm not searching. I've found the truth.
JW isnt the truth.
Ask the people in that sect about redemption, ask them about sin and how it is cleansed ask them about the composition of the human being. Ask them about the fate of the unsaved.
Good luck.

OneJ:

The Latin Vulgate wey be the main text for translation of KJV wey una dey fancy like holy grail naim U dey call "Catholic corrupted Vulgate". I dey laugh in Chinese.
Guy ,as far as 1st John5:7
is concerned ,the KJV is a confirmed forgery.
If U know, U know. Facts are sacred.
...

the king james is the most literal TRANSLATION NOT INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. It's so literal that you can rest on it. It does have some errors though but it is reliable, hence, very dependable.
It's like german engineering- some people can swear by german engineering.
Heard some1 talk of the freezer the grand father bought some 60+ years ago, still working!!! Now that's reliable.
When you compare KJV with the greek from which new testament scriptures are derived you see close matching.
Matter of fact, on this debate thing, none of know what we are even saying!!
Do we really?
Were you there when Jesus was crucified?
Were you there when He walked the earth?
Have you seen the original manuscripts on which you bible was translated from?
It's easy for all of to be decieved because we accept whatever we see and google online.
So in a sense we are all susceptible.
We have to walk by faith in all these things.
So we all agree that what we read is the truth.
In a way, we are all deceivable- but must at some point trust that we are acting on the truth.

However, a conspiracy with information that has gone public cannot be carriedout except at great cost-
that's why the King James installed gaurds to put to death any one that even tried to corrupt the kjv- the catholics tried to get to it - but thank God for King James.

asalimpo:

the king james is the most literal TRANSLATION NOT INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. It's so literal that you can rest on it. It does have some errors though but it is reliable, hence, very dependable.
It's like german engineering- some people can swear by german engineering.
Heard some1 talk of the freezer the grand father bought some 60+ years ago, still working!!! Now that's reliable.
When you compare KJV with the greek from which new testament scriptures are derived you see close matching.
Matter of fact, on this debate thing, none of know what we are even saying!!
Do we really?
Were you there when Jesus was crucified?
Were you there when He walked the earth?
Have you seen the original manuscripts on which you bible was translated from?
It's easy for all of to be decieved because we accept whatever we see and google online.
So in a sense we are all susceptible.
We have to walk by faith in all these things.
So we all agree that what we read is the truth.
In a way, we are all deceivable- but must at some point trust that we are acting on the truth.

However, a conspiracy with information that has gone public cannot be carriedout except at great cost-
that's why the King James installed gaurds to put to death any one that even tried to corrupt the kjv- the catholics tried to get to it - but thank God for King James.

The oldest Greek manuscripts (2nd - 5th century). are hard evidence which proves beyond doubt that the KJV rendition of 1Tim3:16, 1John5:7 & John 1:1 are forgeries found in 13th & 16th century manuscripts deployed to translate the KJV. In fact,there is nothing like "close matching" with KJV & the oldest Greek manuscripts.( That explains in part,why so many Bible translations exists in English. )
These are indisputable facts known to Bible scholars & world renowned historians.
But U choose to ignore them because they debunk your lies & make U uncomfortable with the truth. (Pls throw away your ego &pride, take your time to do investigation & research. The tools are readily available. for U )
Shalom.

asalimpo:

I'm open to research and will retract any wrong statement i make rather than defend myself in pride.
However when it comes to JW, count me out. I've found the truth already.
The JW are of course very sweet people.
But confusing civility, sweetness, decorum and politeness with Christianity is misleading.
If so you really dont know what christianity is and have been deceived.
Let me give you a brief summary of Christianity:
It is having a new recreated human spirit- You can't do that. Only God can
If you spirit hasnt been recreated , you are not saved!
2 Cor 5 v 17: "if any man be in christ he is a new creature (the new you is your human spirit) , old things have passed away (your old spirit is gone) and behold all things are become new "
2) You are a spirit being in a physical body:
1 Thess 5 v23 " ... spirit soul and body "
James 2 v 26 " the body without the SPIRIT is dead"

if your spirit hasnt been recreated- you are not saved.
if you die, you die lost.
No matter how many doors you knock on, no matter how holy you lived!

3) Only the BLOOD OF Jesus can cleanse from Sin and Redeem Man.
The Blood of Jesus is like a detergent, it purges from sin - (Isaiah 1 v 18)
if the blood isnt applied from sin- forget it.
All the religious activity man performs cannot cleans him from his sins.
Any religion that doesnt point its members to Jesus for cleansing is false.

4) Salvations is in Christ
In Jesus you have salvation (freedom from hell and eternal torment and the effects of sin - sickness demonic attacks etc
In Jesus you have eternal life
Ephesians 1 vs 7 : In him we have redemption through His BLOOD.

Theyre are many more i could list.
If your religion doesnt tell you this,sorry you are lost.
In this areas, i'm not searching. I've found the truth.
JW isnt the truth.
Ask the people in that sect about redemption, ask them about sin and how it is cleansed ask them about the composition of the human being. Ask them about the fate of the unsaved.
Good luck.

You need to be CAREFUL so that you don't go about asserting what the first century Christians did not believe. For example you said a Christian becomes a "Spirit being in a physical being" but spirits don't die while all the Apostles died and were buried,Paul said when the trumpet is blown(referring to a future event) the dead in Christ will rise first.1Thessalonians 4:16 Which means they've not been given any "spirit body" until then when they'll be CHANGED(to spirits)1Corinthians 15:52. You also erred when you claim Christians can't work for their own salvation (Galatians 6:3-5,Philippians 2:12,James 2:18,26)What happened is that BORN AGAIN Christians have there names registered for that purpose but it's until THE TRUMPET sounds that they'll be given SPIRIT BODIES! Moreover the Greek word translated HELL simply means grave because God has no program for the dead but the living,remember Abel,Enoch,Noah,Abraham,Isaac and Jacob?Jehovah is eager to bring them back to life again when HE will apply Christ's ransom sacrifice on our behalf.Luke 20:38 Sin is sin and the wages is death! Roman's 6:23 It's either we live forever like HE purposed for Adam and Eve or we return to nonexistence(death) if we fail to meet HIS requirements. The ideology of the dead living or suffering somewhere is not biblical but from Greek philosophy borrowed by the same Catholic Church that we were talking about! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 9:4-10 Satán spread this theory to support his claim in Eden that people don't REALLY die but the Bible is clear on this matter that we either live forever or die and return to dust. Genesis 3:1-5,15

asalimpo:

the king james is the most literal TRANSLATION NOT INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. It's so literal that you can rest on it. It does have some errors though but it is reliable, hence, very dependable.
It's like german engineering- some people can swear by german engineering.
Heard some1 talk of the freezer the grand father bought some 60+ years ago, still working!!! Now that's reliable.
When you compare KJV with the greek from which new testament scriptures are derived you see close matching.
Matter of fact, on this debate thing, none of know what we are even saying!!
Do we really?
Were you there when Jesus was crucified?
Were you there when He walked the earth?
Have you seen the original manuscripts on which you bible was translated from?
It's easy for all of to be decieved because we accept whatever we see and google online.
So in a sense we are all susceptible.
We have to walk by faith in all these things.
So we all agree that what we read is the truth.
In a way, we are all deceivable- but must at some point trust that we are acting on the truth.

However, a conspiracy with information that has gone public cannot be carriedout except at great cost-
that's why the King James installed gaurds to put to death any one that even tried to corrupt the kjv- the catholics tried to get to it - but thank God for King James.

madam please stop spreading Catholicophobia, who told you that Catholics were trying to corrupt the KJV? even the KJV sometimes uses the vulgate rendering in translation. na wah.


take it easy

Riofidelio:
You need to be CAREFUL so that you don't go about asserting what the first century Christians did not believe. For example you said a Christian becomes a "Spirit being in a physical being" but spirits don't die while all the Apostles died and were buried,Paul said when the trumpet is blown(referring to a future event) the dead in Christ will rise first.1Thessalonians 4:16 Which means they've not been given any "spirit body" until then when they'll be CHANGED(to spirits)1Corinthians 15:52. You also erred when you claim Christians can't work for their own salvation (Galatians 6:3-5,Philippians 2:12,James 2:18,26)What happened is that BORN AGAIN Christians have there names registered for that purpose but it's until THE TRUMPET sounds that they'll be given SPIRIT BODIES! Moreover the Greek word translated HELL simply means grave because God has no program for the dead but the living,remember Abel,Enoch,Noah,Abraham,Isaac and Jacob?Jehovah is eager to bring them back to life again when HE will apply Christ's ransom sacrifice on our behalf.Luke 20:38 Sin is sin and the wages is death! Roman's 6:23 It's either we live forever like HE purposed for Adam and Eve or we return to nonexistence(death) if we fail to meet HIS requirements. The ideology of the dead living or suffering somewhere is not biblical but from Greek philosophy borrowed by the same Catholic Church that we were talking about! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 9:4-10 Satán spread this theory to support his claim in Eden that people don't REALLY die but the Bible is clear on this matter that we either live forever or die and return to dust. Genesis 3:1-5,15

You need to look into your bible without the lens of indoctrination from Watch tower.
Any one reading the bible will see that by right division of truth, any error can be exposed and avoided.
The bible says the composition of a human is tripartite- spirit,soul and body . That's a verse in the bible,not early christian mysticism.
Many scriptures allude to this and say it clearly. You either accept the scripture as the truth or reject it,in which case you choose to believe a lie. And dont get me started on the greek is corrupted-that's nonsense.

You are a spirit and you live in a body
James 2 v 26 "... as the body without the spirit is dead ... "
Do you want to argue with that?
It is your spirit that get's recreated when you get born again.
2 Corinthians 5 v 17 : " ... if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away ... "

The bible is clear that a component of man become new? Is the bible lying?
So which component?
Hebrews 12 v 23 - talks of " ... the spirits of just men made perfect "
What part of just men? their spirits?
Again Paul makes a distinction between the human spirit and the human body.
He calls the spirit a building and the body a house- why , the body contains the spirit!
Like your cellphone contains your battery.

I'll use the NLT here. i took the words out of my mouth with commentary

2 cor 5 v 1 :
[b]
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

If you are arguing that , note that Jesus referred to his earthly body as a temple:

Mark 14:58
"We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple, and in three days I will build another that is made without hands.'"


I could go on they are many more.

Spirits dont die. Yes, but the apostles and all people die physically.
Your spirit never dies-it is either in heaven or hell.
Only your body dies.

Paul says he was in a strait between two, to be absent from the body and to be with Christ or to remain in the body.
Philipians 1 v 24.
in verse 22 he says if I am to go on living in the body
who is I? his spirit. Where does it live? In the body.
What happens if he were to die that moment? see verse 24 for the answer.
spirits dont die.

In revelations, the author was in the spirit - that's why he was able to see Jesus and receive his revelations.
When Elisha's servant was frightened, Elisha asked God to open his eyes. The servants eyes were open? Which one- the physical? No? The spiritual eyes or his made to see into the spirit realm.
What did he see? spirit beings, angels sorrounding them?
What did he see them with? his spirit?
I've established so far that you are a spirit, you live in a body.
Scripture proves this copiously.

You are not given any spirit body.
You already have a spirit.
At the rapture the body is changed. They are too many verses to support this.
! corinthians 15 v 54 - Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled: "Death is swallowed up in victory.

-
Jesus died and was resurrected with a new body.
A glorified body.
That body could walk through walls.
It could eat.
It was a body - but a glorious body.

christians will have a similar body too.
Salvation wise, the christian has been saved in his spirit- the body is notyet saved,hence it can decay and die.
The soul is not yet saved but 1/3rd of the human entity is saved.

Philipians 3 v 21:
He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.


Salvation is a free gift. You can never earn it or work for it or qualify for it.
The bible is clear on that.
You are saved by faith, just like Abraham qualified to receive a son of promise by faith,
that's why we are called children of abraham.
Abraham tried to earn God's promise by works (impregnating hagar) but it didnt work and God didnt accept the did outside of faith.
Abraham was called a righteous man (right with God) by simply believing God and taking Him at His word.
Romans 4v4-5:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
You works CAN NEVER SAVE YOU.
KNOCK On all the doors and pass out JW literature all you like.
Live as holy as you can outside Christ,you are a goner. You works can never save you.

It's by faith.

Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The greek word translated HELL means the earthly grave.
Think again? Where they're worms dont die out and their fire is NEVER QUENCHED...
that's a quote from Jesus.
Unquenching fire and worms that dont die-do you know any earthly worm that doesnt die?
Jesus spoke more on hell than anything!!
In the book of revelations hell is thrown into the lake of fire.
is that the physical grave?!
Do you think that physical death and termination in the grave is scary? fearful enough to warrant the death of God (Jesus)? Just do some thinking bro!!
Matthew 25 v 41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
what do you see there? eternal fire (non stop . none quenching)
originally designed for the devil and his angels.

Luke 12 v5:

But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

That's Jesus speaking.
Notice how He, Jesus, distinguishes between the real you, and your body.
You think hell is the physical grave!! think again.
Jesus throw you into the physical grave!! (laughable).
Bro! Hell is real. Wake up from that JW delusion the watch tower is feeding you.

Bro! there is nothing like non-existence. That is a lie from the pit of hell to trap belief in false security.
Jesus didnt die a gruesome death for "nonExistence".
He said FEAR Him who can cast into hell. Hell is so terrible that even the demons dread it and cry out against. Think of a punishment fit for a rebelling arch angel meted out to humans!!
Think!!
The idea is from the bible, i've shown you the verses.
There's greek and hebrew interlinear online.
go check.
Nobody is hoodwinking you.
Salvation is now! not in future!
You are children of God now.

Riofidelio:
You need to be CAREFUL so that you don't go about asserting what the first century Christians did not believe. For example you said a Christian becomes a "Spirit being in a physical being" but spirits don't die while all the Apostles died and were buried,Paul said when the trumpet is blown(referring to a future event) the dead in Christ will rise first.1Thessalonians 4:16 Which means they've not been given any "spirit body" until then when they'll be CHANGED(to spirits)1Corinthians 15:52. You also erred when you claim Christians can't work for their own salvation (Galatians 6:3-5,Philippians 2:12,James 2:18,26)What happened is that BORN AGAIN Christians have there names registered for that purpose but it's until THE TRUMPET sounds that they'll be given SPIRIT BODIES! Moreover the Greek word translated HELL simply means grave because God has no program for the dead but the living,remember Abel,Enoch,Noah,Abraham,Isaac and Jacob?Jehovah is eager to bring them back to life again when HE will apply Christ's ransom sacrifice on our behalf.Luke 20:38 Sin is sin and the wages is death! Roman's 6:23 It's either we live forever like HE purposed for Adam and Eve or we return to nonexistence(death) if we fail to meet HIS requirements. The ideology of the dead living or suffering somewhere is not biblical but from Greek philosophy borrowed by the same Catholic Church that we were talking about! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 9:4-10 Satán spread this theory to support his claim in Eden that people don't REALLY die but the Bible is clear on this matter that we either live forever or die and return to dust. Genesis 3:1-5,15

You need to look into your bible without the lens of indoctrination from Watch tower.
Any one reading the bible will see that by right division of truth, any error can be exposed and avoided.
The bible says the composition of a human is tripartite- spirit,soul and body . That's a verse in the bible,not early christian mysticism.
Many scriptures allude to this and say it clearly. You either accept the scripture as the truth or reject it,in which case you choose to believe a lie. And dont get me started on the greek is corrupted-that's nonsense.

You are a spirit and you live in a body
James 2 v 26 "... as the body without the spirit is dead ... "
Do you want to argue with that?
It is your spirit that get's recreated when you get born again.
2 Corinthians 5 v 17 : " ... if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away ... "

The bible is clear that a component of man become new? Is the bible lying?
So which component?
Hebrews 12 v 23 - talks of " ... the spirits of just men made perfect "
What part of just men? their spirits?
Again Paul makes a distinction between the human spirit and the human body.
He calls the spirit a building and the body a house- why , the body contains the spirit!
Like your cellphone contains your battery.

I'll use the NLT here. i took the words out of my mouth with commentary

2 cor 5 v 1 :
[b]
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

If you are arguing that , note that Jesus referred to his earthly body as a temple:

Mark 14:58
"We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple, and in three days I will build another that is made without hands.'"


I could go on they are many more.

Jesus spoke of hell.
He said where their worms dont die out.
Is that the grave?
Which worm do you know that never dies out?
Jesus said fear him who can cast body and soul into hell.

Luke 12 v 5:
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him

Jesus says "after the body has been killled" not the distinction between the body and the real you.
How do you throw "you" into hell after the "body has been killed"?
You are a spirit.
And Hell is real- or is Luke12v5 corrupted?

Ubenedictus:
madam please stop spreading Catholicophobia, who told you that Catholics were trying to corrupt the KJV? even the KJV sometimes uses the vulgate rendering in translation. na wah.
take it easy

I'm not spreading anti catholic phobia.
You are catholic, but the atrocities of the catholic church is well documentd and open.
The selling of indulgences to save souls in purgatory!- was once super lucrative business.
The licentiousness of the popes!!
Talk of lewdness. The catholic church is one mega-corp.
Catholicism is the ORGANIZED IN organized religion!

The burning of heretics at stake even up to the 15th century!!
These facts are ugly for well-meaning catholics but they are there.
The first bible translators bones were dug up and burned.

So many false misleading traditions to keep people under the thumb of religion and hence the control of "Mother church"
. Millions were kept in illiteracy and ignorance and the reading of the bible was only by the priests!
See where the idea of man-intermediary between man and God,the priest, came from.
Reading the bible could get you killed. But that wasnt even possible because the bible was locked away in seminaries.
Then Martin luther, discovered that justification is by grace and blew away the catholic game by formulating his thesis and posting it on the church door at Wittenberg.
The atrocities of the catholic church are many and many of their practices are purely pagan.
Catholicism has pagan roots of course.
See,the idea is not to hold on in blind biase to the false but to let the bitter truth cleanse you by acting on it.
Would such a scheming organization ever want to the unadulterated word to reach the masses!
They'll break free from its grasp once they know that they can go directly to God!
That's why Luther was so hated!
He set the people free from centuries of lies and indoctrination.
He affected the flow of revenue of the catholic church - indulgence sales etc.
He tempered the power of the Catholic monarches- they ruled over nations- appointed kings, etc.
Man they were powerful!! But God let the truth out!! Truth sets free.

asalimpo:


You need to look into your bible without the lens of indoctrination from Watch tower.
Any one reading the bible will see that by right division of truth, any error can be exposed and avoided.
The bible says the composition of a human is tripartite- spirit,soul and body . That's a verse in the bible,not early christian mysticism.
Many scriptures allude to this and say it clearly. You either accept the scripture as the truth or reject it,in which case you choose to believe a lie. And dont get me started on the greek is corrupted-that's nonsense.

You are a spirit and you live in a body
James 2 v 26 "... as the body without the spirit is dead ... "
Do you want to argue with that?
It is your spirit that get's recreated when you get born again.
2 Corinthians 5 v 17 : " ... if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away ... "

The bible is clear that a component of man become new? Is the bible lying?
So which component?
Hebrews 12 v 23 - talks of " ... the spirits of just men made perfect "
What part of just men? their spirits?
Again Paul makes a distinction between the human spirit and the human body.
He calls the spirit a building and the body a house- why , the body contains the spirit!
Like your cellphone contains your battery.

I'll use the NLT here. i took the words out of my mouth with commentary

2 cor 5 v 1 :
[b]
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

If you are arguing that , note that Jesus referred to his earthly body as a temple:

Mark 14:58
"We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple, and in three days I will build another that is made without hands.'"


I could go on they are many more.

Jesus spoke of hell.
He said where their worms dont die out.
Is that the grave?
Which worm do you know that never dies out?
Jesus said fear him who can cast body and soul into hell.

Luke 12 v 5:
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him

Jesus says "after the body has been killled" not the distinction between the body and the real you.
How do you throw "you" into hell after the "body has been killed"?
You are a spirit.
And Hell is real- or is Luke12v5 corrupted?

Let's agree that the body will return to dust as written in Genesis 3 but please what part of Adam will suffer forever in hell fire his soul or his spirit?

Riofidelio:
Let's agree that the body will return to dust as written in Genesis 3 but please what part of Adam will suffer forever in hell fire his soul or his spirit?

Me and you have nothing to agree upon. You case is with the Word.
Do you believe it or not or are you still clinging to your beliefs? If so there's no point arguing on.
keep your beliefs.
The bible says in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let a matter be established.
ON the points i've addressed,i've used copious scriptures to back up my words.
Context also matters but for correctness, you cant go wrong with multiple verses on the topic.
So look at the verses on the point you are raising if not clear then make your case. Dismissing them by counter questions is pointless and i wont get dragged into that.

asalimpo:

I'm not spreading anti catholic phobia.
You are catholic, but the atrocities of the catholic church is well documentd and open.
The selling of indulgences to save souls in purgatory!- was once super lucrative business.
The licentiousness of the popes!!
Talk of lewdness. The catholic church is one mega-corp.
Catholicism is the ORGANIZED IN organized religion!

The burning of heretics at stake even up to the 15th century!!
These facts are ugly for well-meaning catholics but they are there.
The first bible translators bones were dug up and burned.

So many false misleading traditions to keep people under the thumb of religion and hence the control of "Mother church"
. Millions were kept in illiteracy and ignorance and the reading of the bible was only by the priests!
See where the idea of man-intermediary between man and God,the priest, came from.
Reading the bible could get you killed. But that wasnt even possible because the bible was locked away in seminaries.
Then Martin luther, discovered that justification is by grace and blew away the catholic game by formulating his thesis and posting it on the church door at Wittenberg.
The atrocities of the catholic church are many and many of their practices are purely pagan.
Catholicism has pagan roots of course.
See,the idea is not to hold on in blind biase to the false but to let the bitter truth cleanse you by acting on it.
Would such a scheming organization ever want to the unadulterated word to reach the masses!
They'll break free from its grasp once they know that they can go directly to God!
That's why Luther was so hated!
He set the people free from centuries of lies and indoctrination.
He affected the flow of revenue of the catholic church - indulgence sales etc.
He tempered the power of the Catholic monarches- they ruled over nations- appointed kings, etc.
Man they were powerful!! But God let the truth out!! Truth sets free.

this is catholicophobia.
the Catholic Church Never sold indulgence, some bishops in Germany tried to make business with it but they were soon caught and the practice was condemned by the council of Trent

some Popes were great sinners, even among the apostles there was a Judas, that some Popes sinned doesn't make Catholicism false.

been organized is not a sin, in fact Jesus organized his Church by giving her apostles, they too ordained deacon, presbyter and bishops... there is order in the Church, been organized is actually biblical.

actually the burning of unrepentant heretics was done by the state not the Church, clerics were forbidden from passing death sentence. the Justice system in Europe was generally harsh. a man can be killed for hunting in the wrong forest.

the only translators who were dug up were those who were judged to have illegally mistranslated the Bible, those who translated legally were OK.