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Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by festwiz(m): 8:20am On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:...and what's it called again? |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 8:38am On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:What happens when four sources use the word "assigned gender"? You just don't want to accept the study shown by scientists despite the studies provided, you still haven't provide any source that said gender dysphoria has no biological causes! The article is about gender dysphoria, hello..? These ones are Wikipedia abi? Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a persistent sense of mismatch between one’s experienced gender and assigned gender. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/ Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify. https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria Oga wether it's assigned gender or not that's not even the main case here. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 8:43am On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:He's a religious freak! |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by Evangkatsoulis: 8:58am On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22: Are you saying wikipedia is not good reference? It puts its references at the bottom of the page. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by Nobody: 9:05am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz:Not quoting to join the topic. Wonders will never end! Is this actually tintingz? What happened? I can actually quote u. U are the greatest miracle I have ever seen in this forum. And I actually doff my cap for u cos it's not easy. Hmn, I need to check well to see if it's cloned username. Anyway, welcome to the land where people use their mind as it should be used. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 9:06am On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:Does Wikipedia attach reference to their articles or not? Gender dysphoria is no longer consider mental disorder, take it or leave it bro. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 9:13am On Jun 21, 2018 |
Evangkatsoulis:Help me ask him o. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 9:16am On Jun 21, 2018 |
sassysure:Thank you sir/ma. This is the real and only tintingz in this forum, you're surprised about the changes? |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by HajimeSaito(m): 9:24am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz: Doctor McHugh is an agnostic. He does not identify with any religion. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by CAPSLOCKED: 9:26am On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22: SIR, IF YOU EVER FIND A MAN WHO BELIEVES HE'LL BE MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE BODY OF A DOG, PLEASE ALLOW HIM DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH HIS OWN BODY, AS AN ADULT CAPABLE OF BEARING THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS OWN ACTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF HIS DECISION WILL NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECT YOU, ANOTHER MAN, OR THE ENVIRONMENT. THANKS. 3 Likes |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by Evangkatsoulis: 9:27am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz:Even the so called Genuine sources actually reference other articles. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 10:11am On Jun 21, 2018 |
HajimeSaito:McHugh is a practicing Catholic. According to a 2002 New York Times article, he is a Democrat "who describes himself as religiously orthodox. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 10:18am On Jun 21, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED:Thank you, Even if he/she has the feeling of becoming a dragon or warewolf. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 10:22am On Jun 21, 2018 |
Evangkatsoulis:Wikipedia is just an easy way to get compilations of studies, discoveries, articles from various sources, infact it's part of their rules to add references to articles. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 10:40am On Jun 21, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED: Sir i am not saying it shouldn't be allowed, that is a different argument. I am saying that it should be objectively classified as what it is which is a mental disorder. I'll like to believe you are one of those who likes to believe you are objective in coincide with scientific position and logical deductions. This is one of those times. Moreover, you think people who believe in talking snakes are deluded (this doesn't mean you don't allow them to believe what they want) Simply apply same objective logic here. Do you suddenly lose your reason and logic all of a sudden? Do you suddenly pay a blind eyes to straight up delusion to suit your liberal narrative? It is not about allowing or not, it is about a factual right or wrong. When someone says, Balaam's donkey talked. You always disagreed, because donkey's talking is factually incorrect. When a male says i am female. it is also factually incorrect but somehow you lose your zeal to call-out a similar delusion as the above? This is straight up hypocritical and a very weak argument. Saying a spade is a spade doesn't mean you should not use a spade. The rhetoric you have up there is cliche, boring and non sequitur to the premise raised (useless to the argumentative premise). |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 10:43am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz: And my argument have always maintained that the declassification of gender dysphoria as mental disorder is politically motivated not scientific. Political trend is eroding scientific positions in many aspect of human life. Like Donald Trump denying climate change, you thinking sex can be assigned (which i think is more absurd than the former) I can provide peer reviewed articles that shows Professionals (physicians and scientists) being black listed and losing their jobs because their position contradict the political position (Liberal political correction in a bid develop a victim's culture) |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 10:45am On Jun 21, 2018 |
Evangkatsoulis:I am saying peer-reviewed educational sources are better sources. I write academic papers for a living and Wikipedia is never a source that is taken seriously or should ever appear in your academic paper. It is an open source book, can be edited by anyone anytime. provide for me one peer reviewed article where Wikipedia encyclopedia article is cited. I will wait |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 10:46am On Jun 21, 2018 |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 10:58am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz:I bet i can provide 10 sources that says the earth is flat. If this doesn't make you understand how ridiculous you sound up there, i fear nothing will. Biological sex can never be assigned at birth, it is strictly a biological process at conception which i have shown over and over again here. Oh Jeez. gender dysphoria is a recent classification of a condition known as gender identity disorder. This is sorely a political move as i have shown before and will also show again. Cretella Michelle (2017) peered reviewed https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07/03/im-pediatrician-transgender-ideology-infiltrated-field-produced-large-scale-child-abuse/ And this peered reviewed article also goes on to show how scientists and physicians who do not coincide with the recent political correct trend are black listed and made to lose jobs http://www.jpands.org/vol21no2/cretella.pdf Amazing. Still at the same place. You know nothing of reproductive biology still throw gross nonsense about.
The main case here is: Sex = biological identity = psychological A child raised by wolves would behave like wolves Identity can be factually correct or factually wrong. A tall person identifying as short is factually wrong. A biological female identifying as male is factually wrong And what we call factually wrong identification in psychology is mental delusion. It beats me how a straight simplification can't be deducted here. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 11:09am On Jun 21, 2018 |
festwiz:Mental disorder |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 11:11am On Jun 21, 2018 |
HajimeSaito:LOL this is a burst Even if the doctor is religious, does this make his argument wrong? I think the strawman that he is religious was a very stupi_d attempt at refutation. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 11:14am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz:No one is still arguing against this. You can be what you want to be, this is not the premise of the argument. You lot should stick with the premise and leave this nonsensical rhetoric. The point is, feeling like you are what you are not is a condition that is called mental disorder. This is even one characteristics of full blown madness. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by Nobody: 11:33am On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz:I am shocked not surprised. I saw one post randomly one day and said maybe it's somebody else. This might not be him. I'm so happy for u. The aggressiveness has all gone. If I ever come to a topic and u are there, I will just respect myself. Though I don't comment most times then but I do read your posts and believe u me, I pitched you with some religious fanatics then. Never knew u were passing through a transition. I love this new u a lot. Thank u. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:32pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:Scientists don't take flat Earth model serious, it's a conspiracy theory. The four source I provided are from reputable source. Biological sex can never be assigned at birth, it is strictly a biological process at conception which i have shown over and over again here.Are you saying these source: psychologytoday, psychiatry.órg, National health service are dumb for making that assertion? Oh Jeez.WHO said it's no longer a mental disorder, it's not recognized as mental disorder anymore in clinical field, these stubborn scientists should keep calling it mental disorder, they will keep losing their jobs. Amazing. Still at the same place. You know nothing of reproductive biology still throw gross nonsense about.Is hormonal influence not biological or not? It seems you have not been reading the source I provided. The main case here is:Scientists said transgender is mostly biological factors, hormonal influence, genetic, heritable etc you're saying another thing. No one said it's not psychological, what study said is it's beyond psychological. I tire for you sir. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:43pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:Gender dysphoria is no mental disorder - WHO |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by dorox(m): 12:47pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
Those who can should watch this video, the presenter made some pretty strong arguments against biology as the cause of gender issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-NQhDfloaM |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:53pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:My advise for you if you're in clinical field, if you diagnose your patient of gender dysphoria and call it mental illnesses, Sha don't let WHO hear or you will be fired for unprofessionalism. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 1:02pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
johnydon22:You don't mind if there are sentiments in his assertion? A religious freak that defend sexual abusive priests? |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 1:06pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
sassysure:The unbelievable happens. Thanks again. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 1:18pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz: You have not provided an argument that refutes his stance. This is simply an ad hominem and is nonsencial in argumentative ethics. |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 1:20pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
tintingz: Again another weak argument. Peered reviewed articles have been provided showing the political motive behind the declasffication of gender dysphoria as mental illness which actually became known as gender dysphoria as recent as 2013. But No. This is the refutation you can muster. Lmao |
Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by johnydon22(m): 1:22pm On Jun 21, 2018 |
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