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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by djon78(m): 7:40pm On Jun 25, 2018
ehissi:


Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body [a]and in your spirit, which are God’s.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 New King James Version

1 Corinthians 6:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

May God bless you for highlighting this blessed scriptures. Many people think that their body belongs to them. Therefore they use it anyhow, defilling and miss using it.

Our bodies is a very beautiful gift from God. And each man will give account concerning the use of their body before God.


May God help us and show us the way to glorify him with our body by using it the right way. Amen!!
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by OliveCynosure(f): 7:49pm On Jun 25, 2018
Ode
Trying to justify himself
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by rabzy: 7:51pm On Jun 25, 2018
Porneia is not just fornication or prostitution, por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality.
Some engagement ceremony are actually marriages especially traditionally engagements, once a groom has paid bride price and other demands and the woman's family has handed over the lady to the man or his family which often happens in engagement ceremony, a marriage has been conducted and the couple can copulate.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by MrOjay1(m): 7:57pm On Jun 25, 2018
fpeter:


I'm curious to know, did you get any help?


Yes sis. And i'm very grateful for the help rendered

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Nobody: 8:06pm On Jun 25, 2018
MrOjay1:




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Please give me your number so i can contact you please.




Thanks.


You have been redeemed by another. Kudos!!!
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by bobkezel(m): 8:13pm On Jun 25, 2018
ehissi:


Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body [a]and in your spirit, which are God’s.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 New King James Version

1 Corinthians 6:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
you are quoting your useless story book for someone whom you don't know his religious affiliation....
You must have been brainwashed to the core. Tell your useless pastors to give you back your coconut brain.
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Alwaystrue(f): 8:41pm On Jun 25, 2018
Amagite:
From; Amagitesblog.com

Controversial OAP, Daddy Freeze has said that an engaged couple having sex is not fornication because the fornication is the Greek word ‘pornea’ which meant prostitution or LovePeddler mongering.

Read his post which he attached biblical backings to...



https://www.instagram.com/p/BkcXTDeHs5t/

https://www.amagitesblog.com/2018/06/an-engaged-couple-having-sex-is-not-fornication-daddy-freeze.html


Please abstain from sex outside marriage. The bible is clear on this.

Joseph and Mary were betrothed or espoused to each other (which is also known as engaged) yet they never engaged in sexual intercourse.

In the old testament, a man could claim his wife was not a virgin after sleeping with her and she had to present tokens of her virginity to absolve herself. Deuteronomy 22:13-19

Paul was extremely clear on this as well in 1 Corinthians 7:36.

A wedding in sealed when a woman is given to the husband in marriage.
God gave Eve to Adam. Jacob was given Rachel by her father.
It is tantamount to robbery to just go and sleep with another man or woman's daughter without handing her over formally in marriage irrespective of the ceremony involved. I am sure many parents will not take it including you if you have daughters.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by paxonel(m): 9:13pm On Jun 25, 2018
CANDYDADDY:
shocked

i fully agree on this
freeze is absolutely right
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by olabode100: 9:24pm On Jun 25, 2018
thesicilian:
Any sex outside of marriage is prostitution, and engagement is not the same thing as marriage. Until a bride price is paid, there is no marriage in the African tradition.
And besides none of those Bible verses above supports his claims.
What is marriage? Do you think when you do white wedding is marriage? If you don't know today please know that white wedding is somebody's culture. So payment of dowry is still the same as engagement, once dowry is paid, you have done the will in the bible.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by MrPresident1: 9:44pm On Jun 25, 2018
The Bible sees a woman with a broken hymen before marriage as a harlott. If the tokens of the virginity of a bride cannot be presented at the consummation of marriage, then the woman will be stoned, because she committed harlottry while still in her father's house. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

This is why fornication is the only valid ground for divorce, when a man does not get to break the hymen of a new bride because it has already been broken; had Joseph not kept quiet about Mary, Mary would have been stoned.

The engagement used in Bible times is quite different from what we have nowadays, the biblical betrothal is as good as marriage, and it is done at a very early age, this is why Paul says...if a woman passes the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do as he will, they sin not, let them marry...1 Corinthians 7:36

Take note that the marriage age for girls in bible times is about 14years and for the boys about 20 years, so there was no need for fornication, as soon as you saw your first blood, your betrothed husband comes for you immediately. This is in the law.

But the law is no more, and we are all living under gentile rule, but this is a period of grace for us as grace shields us from the wrath that would have descended for all the ungodly practices that we see nowadays.

The law will return, Christ the firstfruits, everyone will eventually operate in the law. Freeze is correct were we in bible times, but we have been given grace, but do we now continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by WebTechGarden(m): 9:52pm On Jun 25, 2018
Freeze i have started to dislike your post for this.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by NavalObi37: 10:49pm On Jun 25, 2018
PURE LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL
Hebrew 13:4 1Corinthians 6:18

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by 11doubledee: 12:13am On Jun 26, 2018
Chai!This freeze sha,i bet if you open church today na you go get members pass.
Youths wey dey struggle with various sins,you still manage convince us to dey fornicate.
Me sef for reason join ur church.
But if I mistakenly jam u for hell fire........
Make I hold my peace for now

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Billygee2u: 4:21am On Jun 26, 2018
thesicilian:
Any sex outside of marriage is prostitution, and engagement is not the same thing as marriage. Until a bride price is paid, there is no marriage in the African tradition.
And besides none of those Bible verses above supports his claims.
he's wagering, not stable.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by mhizcassidy001(f): 8:20am On Jun 26, 2018
at the ends time,
different prophet will come in the name of GOD
the WORD of GOD will be misinterpreted to deceive the follower of CHRIST.
thou am a sinner in this sinful world,but i know the right from the wrong.
dear daddy freezer,the more people you mislead using the word of GOD the more you suffer in HELL.
EGBE NI ENI TA TI ARA RE KO ESE.says the word of GOD.
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by anointed1234: 11:15am On Jun 26, 2018
But why was Joseph not sleeping with Mary even after they have been engaged? I think some people need to read and understand the Bible very well

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by fpeter(f): 1:30pm On Jun 26, 2018
MrOjay1:


Yes sis.
And i'm very grateful for the help rendered

I'm glad you were favored. Stay blessed.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by doyinbaby(f): 3:16pm On Jun 26, 2018
This one way freeze dey talk ...... I don't understand
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by eniorisha(m): 3:40pm On Jun 26, 2018
All those saying he's absolutely wrong & satanic. I believe d married ones among u wedded as virgins; the single critics here, u all av no sexual partners? I'll just admonish my Christian brethren to practice what they claim to believe. God won't judge u by what u say or type here, rather , He'll just your deeds.

To Mr Freeze post,

He's not absolutely wrong. In fact, Apostle Paul share similar belief. But quickly counsel that it's much more rewarding if one can hold on till marriage(1 cor 7:36-37)

As far as I'm concern, he knew there's a gulf difference between committing to a sex partner & fornication. If u av only one sex partner & u end up getting married, then ,to me, u are not a fornicator nor prostitute. That's only one "body count" & u marry d same person.

Well, if d other partner later change his or her mind, then d other partner's conscience is clear since he's not d reason behind their break up.


Many are here shouting heresy everywhere, yet have over 50 body counts to their names & are still single. Yet, they are holier than Apostle Paul himself.

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Codes151(m): 5:55pm On Jun 26, 2018
Big fool.. Being engaged means u go or must marry am abi!


See witches and wizards are in different forms o
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Stephie123(f): 10:54pm On Jun 26, 2018
Below is my response to one of his listeners who objected to my introducing the dictionary meaning of fornication to show the inherent contradiction in Daddy Freezer's bizarre assertions as a self-professing teacher of the word of God. !

"I introduced the dictionary.com definition to buttress the point that DF does not know more about the original translations of words than first-rate lexicographers who compiled universally-accepted definitions. What does DF know about Hebrew and Greek to challenge the multiple translations of fornication by seasoned bible-translators since the 1600s?

If you are asking for bible-based proof that DF is teaching a false doctrine when he purports that fornication (Porneia) does not imply sexual activity between unmarried people, among other unlawful sexual sins, I will delineate several New Testament, irrefutable scriptures that contradict DF’s unbalanced assertions.

1 Corn 7: 1 “Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication (Porneia), let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.”

The reproduced scripture GLARINGLY puts to rest DF’s assertion that sex between unmarried people is not sexual immorality that infringes the precepts of a Holy God. He has severally suggested that sexual immorality(porneia) only alludes to outlandish cases such as prostitution, bestiality, and homosexuality, but 1 Corn 7:1 proves that DF is either being economical with biblical truth, or he is completely oblivious of truth, despite claiming to be a teacher of the Word. A man has no business TOUCHING a woman that he is not married to sexually… Period! The only person who would read this unambiguous scripture and remotely suggest unmarried people are free to engage in sex is a pervert and enemy of righteousness. DF can engage in endless rhetorical flourish about the significance of the term -fornication (Porneia), but he has no wiggle room to twist or misarticulate this plainly-described SIN of a man touching a woman in a sexual manner.

Apostle Paul reiterates the same precept in 1 Corn 7:8-9, “ I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.”

Furthermore, sexual purity and sanctification is prescribed for true believers in Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4 “For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.” Possessing your vessel in sanctification and honour can only mean abstinence for an unmarried individual, any which way one views it. No verse of scripture is for private interpretation; therefore, every doctrine must align was the entire context of Scripture. DF's unbalanced take of Porneia contradicts the expressed will of God as taught by the apostles on the subject of pre-marital sex.

In Matthew 5:28, “But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Think about it- If it is forbidden for a man to lust after a woman who is not his spouse, is it the actual unlawful deed that would be permissible under the new covenant? Please let’s not deceive ourselves like toddlers who are unable to decipher elementary principles of the faith.

Besides, the sinful Samaritan woman by the well was convicted of sin, and she went about proclaiming the good news after Jesus revealed that she was living with a man who was not her husband in John 4:1-42. How is it possible that an ungodly gentile recognised sexual relationship between unmarried folks as sinful, yet DF, a self-professing teacher of the word, is deceiving folks into believing that it is okay for unmarried people who plan on getting married to engage in sexual activity?

Sexual purity as a single is challenging, but very possible if one is filled with the Holy Spirit and is committed to prayers. Note this exchange between Jesus and his disciples in Matthew 19, “25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

The Lord never suggested that living a holy life is easy; after all, Matthew 7:14 states, “Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

The righteous standards of God regarding sexual purity and abstinence for the unmarried are incontrovertible based on the delineated scriptural references. We can do not against the truth but for the truth (2 Corin 13.cool, so no unmarried believer, who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, should indulge freely in sexual activity of any sort. The Lord Jesus and the apostles are all very clear on this precept; therefore, no amount of rhetorical flourish or intellectual dishonesty can alter the eternal counsel of God as delineated in the New Testament.

In the end, the admonition in Acts 2:40 holds true today, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” DF will answer for his perversion of God’s word, but those who listen to his half-truths and misrepresentation of scriptures have a responsibility to weigh Df’s outlandish interpretations of glaring mandates with the Written Word. God will always reveal truth to sincere seekers who long to live according to the leading of the Holy Spirit and not fulfil every lustful desire of the flesh.

Back to the syntactic implication of the term- Porneia in the New Testament, it is evident that the word is broadly used for a wide range of sexual immoralities, which definitely involves pre-marital sex. In “A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature” by Arndt and Co, Porneia is described as “EVERY kind of unlawful sexual intercourse”. The key to bible interpretations is to examine truth contextually. Based on the preponderance of scriptures in both the OT and NT that condemn premarital intercourse of any sort, it is evident that DF raised the question of “porneia” to obfuscate matters and make a simple prescription that was underscored by both Jesus and his apostles seem convoluted.

Enough said! God help us all in these last and evil days."

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Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Stephie123(f): 11:01pm On Jun 26, 2018
1 Corin 7:1-2 says "7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

DF is talking rubbish. A man SEXUALLY touching a woman was considered fornication by the apostles based on the reproduced verse. We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth. God will judge all who pervert his holy precepts.


eniorisha:
All those saying he's absolutely wrong & satanic. I believe d married ones among u wedded as virgins; the single critics here, u all av no sexual partners? I'll just admonish my Christian brethren to practice what they claim to believe. God won't judge u by what u say or type here, rather , He'll just your deeds.

To Mr Freeze post,

He's not absolutely wrong. In fact, Apostle Paul share similar belief. But quickly counsel that it's much more rewarding if one can hold on till marriage(1 cor 7:36-37)

As far as I'm concern, he knew there's a gulf difference between committing to a sex partner & fornication. If u av only one sex partner & u end up getting married, then ,to me, u are not a fornicator nor prostitute. That's only one "body count" & u marry d same person.

Well, if d other partner later change his or her mind, then d other partner's conscience is clear since he's not d reason behind their break up.


Many are here shouting heresy everywhere, yet have over 50 body counts to their names & are still single. Yet, they are holier than Apostle Paul himself.

Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Stephie123(f): 11:06pm On Jun 26, 2018
Why will Daddy Freeze not condone fornication between unmarried folks when he is sleeping and having a child with a woman who very recently revealed publicly that she is still legally married to her estranged husband and father of her children? A fornicator wants to obfuscate plain, biblical prescriptions to make himself feel better wallowing in sin. God have mercy on him, if perchance he is still redeemable.
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Sombrerogalaxy: 2:20am On Jun 27, 2018
I love DF's insight! Marriage involves a contract, a consummation, and then the celebration. And it has to happen in that order! Biblically, there is no complete marriage before/without consummation (sex). So sex between betrothed couple can't be a sin. This is the biblical truth, this is Jewish tradition. Simple!
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Sombrerogalaxy: 2:43am On Jun 27, 2018
For you to know how muddled up our understanding of biblical marriage is, thanks to our 'pastors' and 'teachers', I'll briefly point out some examples. In Matt 1:18-19, Joseph was called Mary's husband after their betrothal, by an holy angel. Every intellectually honest person around here at least thinks that betrothal is not equivalent to marriage, but the Holy Spirit, aka God, sees it that way! He (Joseph) wanted to divorce Mary, so, let me ask you, can you divorce someone you are not married to? An additional teaser, do you know why the church is referred to as the virgin bride of Christ?
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Sombrerogalaxy: 2:48am On Jun 27, 2018
Hint to my previous post/teaser wink 2 Cor 11:2 and Rev 19:7-9
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by paxonel(m): 3:23am On Jun 27, 2018
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by eniorisha(m): 4:05am On Jun 27, 2018
Well, in Nigerian concept of religion, it's a hypocritical sin. because many ranting against DF here av done & are doing worse. But for me based on Apostle Paul's admonition (1ccor 7:36-37), If one has a faithful partner, they are both faithful & d rlshp is marriage bound, they av not done so bad, except they cheat themselves of a certain reward of abstinence.

Even, d Nigerian economic reality & other factors if critical studied prove DF right. In d past, choosing & getting marry was much easier. Even someone earlier quoted DT in d past, as early as 14 & 20 years, girls & boys are ripe for marriage. The society & d existing system prepared then & supported them adequately.

That time, d way d society is structured, there's very little chance of sexual activities, except one rapes then. The time one won't be allowed to see his fiancée till after d proper marriage rite has been done. Unlike now, Free & liberal interaction & expression on sexual feeling btwn partners.

So, to really counter DF's, assertion, d society must go back to d old way of doing thing except we continue to live in religious hypocrisy.

Meanwhile, I asked earlier, no one reply. I'll ask again

HOW MANY OF D ANTI DF MARRIED A VIRGIN?

HOW MANY ANTI DF SINGLES ARE STILL VIRGIN?

Stephie123:
1 Corin 7:1-2 says "7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

DF is talking rubbish. A man SEXUALLY touching a woman was considered fornication by the apostles based on the reproduced verse. We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth. God will judge all who pervert his holy precepts.


Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Sombrerogalaxy: 4:37am On Jun 27, 2018
Again if the norm after betrothal was for the espoused couples to abstain from sex, then it would be redundant (and in vain) for the scriptures to explicitly say that Joseph and Mary were yet to consummate their union (assuming "before they came together" means sex) when Mary became pregnant. It simply would have been implied, and understood within context!
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Stephie123(f): 8:43pm On Jun 27, 2018
Even if folks claim to have married as virgins, doubting Thomases will still wallow in disbelief and cynicism, so what’s the point of even asking the question for the heck of it? Be not deceived, God has preserved a righteous people unto Himself in these last and evil days who do not take his precepts lightly. Not every child of God is a hypocrite, so speak only for yourself as far as sexual purity goes.

No scripture is for private interpretation, and every verse must be wieghed contextually for the full counsel of God to become evident. 1 Corn 7:1-2 states glaringly that a man should not TOUCH a woman, so Paul who had his sanity with him could not have turned around to contradict himself in the same chapter by condoning fornication or sexual activity between unmarried folks.

It is a grave matter to add or remove from the eternal word of God. Revelation 22:19

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

eniorisha:
Well, in Nigerian concept of religion, it's a hypocritical sin. because many ranting against DF here av done & are doing worse. But for me based on Apostle Paul's admonition (1ccor 7:36-37), If one has a faithful partner, they are both faithful & d rlshp is marriage bound, they av not done so bad, except they cheat themselves of a certain reward of abstinence.

Even, d Nigerian economic reality & other factors if critical studied prove DF right. In d past, choosing & getting marry was much easier. Even someone earlier quoted DT in d past, as early as 14 & 20 years, girls & boys are ripe for marriage. The society & d existing system prepared then & supported them adequately.

That time, d way d society is structured, there's very little chance of sexual activities, except one rapes then. The time one won't be allowed to see his fiancée till after d proper marriage rite has been done. Unlike now, Free & liberal interaction & expression on sexual feeling btwn partners.

So, to really counter DF's, assertion, d society must go back to d old way of doing thing except we continue to live in religious hypocrisy.

Meanwhile, I asked earlier, no one reply. I'll ask again

HOW MANY OF D ANTI DF MARRIED A VIRGIN?

HOW MANY ANTI DF SINGLES ARE STILL VIRGIN?

Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by Stephie123(f): 9:20pm On Jun 27, 2018
“the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).” Dictionary definition!

Essentially, marriage is a communal arrangement, so in the Nigerian context, traditional, court, and church weddings are all legal and binding contracts depending on the preferred choice or common understanding among all concerned parties.

Jewish betrothal laws were very binding as delineated in Deut 22, so the consequence of engaging in sexual conduct with another person besides one’s betrothed was instant dissolution of the engagement, stoning of the culprits to death, and/or disgracefully putting away the unfaithful fiancee. That said, the very fact that Joseph and Mary had not consummated their union is all you need to understand that betrothal and marriage, while binding contrasts, were separate arrangements in Judaism, talk more Christianity. There’s nothing special about Joseph's plan to “secretly put her away” besides what the bible indicates which is that Joseph loved Mary and did not wish to dissolve the betrothal contract, thereby subjecting Mary to public ridicule. I don’t understand what point folks are driving at with the Joseph/Mary argument. He simply understood the gravity of a betrothed woman purportedly having an affair that actually resulted in a pregnancy and was already too in love with Mary to subject her to the due recompense for her “seeming” unchastity.

After betrothals in Judaism, where dowries were exchanged as part of the process, the only outstanding ritual before the consummation of the marriage was the wedding feast. That is not the logical equivalent of the casual engagement that Daddy freeze describes as two adults holding hands and promising to marry each other. That aside, the fact that Joseph and Mary were celibate, even after their engagement, is proof that the expectation was for the marriage to be consummated after the wedding feast. In essence, while it was not unheard of for betrothed couples to have carnal knowledge of each other before the wedding feast in the OT, it was not the standard expectation. Again, I think the very fact that Joseph and Mary was celibate succinctly proves that point.

Lastly, Christians are not under the Law of Moses, so only the doctrine of Christ and his Apostles are binding in the life of a believer in this dispensation of grace. Romans 6:14- "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Apostle Paul makes it very clear in 1 Corin 7 that chastity is required of EVERY believer until the conclusion of a marriage contract as prescribed and approved by each social/cultural group. In essence, the only necessary and sufficient condition for engaging in sexual activity as a Christian is MARRIAGE. Anything less than that is sinful and unacceptable based on the doctrine of Christ and his apostles (see Matthew 5:28, 1 Corinthians 7:1-9, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20, Ephesians 5:3, Romans 13:13, 1 Thessalonians 4:7).

Peace!




paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin


paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
paxonel:
I've read every post on this thread. No one have taken time to define marriage, yet they keep talking.

Abeg freeze is right jo!

The moment you are dating each other you are already married like that talkless of being engaged.

It is very scriptural that Every relationship should be taken seriously as marriage but our society have wrongly made it that there should be a formal ceremony which should mark the beginning of marriage proper before couples can be faithful to one another.

We have a very bad society and traditional beliefs here in Nigeria and all of you Christians are supporting the rubbish value and discrediting daddy freeze. No wonder there are so many broken homes including christian marriages

Africans level of mumu eh, grin
Re: Daddy Freeze: If An Engaged Couple Have Sex, It Is Not FORNICATION! by samtol4(m): 9:47pm On Jun 27, 2018
KehnnyCares:
One thing you can’t take away from this dude is the fact that he always back up his claim, search and arguments with bible verses.

Which is uncommon with many people out there
mis interpreted the Bible to suit himself . Indeed anti Christ

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