johnydon22:
Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?



This question is meant to insight deep thought and debate

Deo1986:
Au contraire sir.............. Depends on the God you are talking about. Every tribe have been having dealings with their God since time.

purem:


It's so absurd to subject God in defining what is good, as a matter of fact he sshould be put's aside when you talking about doing good. He makes a man to be dumb for doubting him


Luke 1:13, 18, 20 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.




When you've done what is good then you kn in your heart that you've done good

Saving someone life is good
Killing someone is bad
Stealing is bad
Returning what doesn't belong to you is good

Defining what is "good" is a simple logic, it's doesn't require subjecting God to it.

orisa37:
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Happy Sunday please.
I am a Yorubaman and a Born Again Christian.
There is no difference between Olorun Olodumare and God Al-Mighty. The Two mean the same in all Calculations and Ramifications.
Their Spirits(Angels/Demons), Emin(Iranse/Esu) are equally quantifiable and varied. Au-contrarie or dissimilis conspectus came calling when the erudite(doctus) Otem-Atum of Nairaland started gaming with Greek, Arabic and Egyptian on Yahweh, Allah and Enril on purely English Text on Nairaland.
How would you want me to believe you when you don't even know from where I am coming?
The Bible and Christianity are the most flawless and faultless Book and Teaching that will be until Jesus is back.
Again Happy Sunday !!!

Deo1986:
Happy Sunday to you too, you are suppose to be in church. Anyways I've never communicated with the Otem of a guy. I was only passing through the religion lane when I saw your wranglings over Yahweh/ God etc. But then let me ask this simple question, what was your idea of God as a Yoruba man before the missionaries/ converts came around some 200 years ago? Happy Sunday.

johnydon22:


Alright, so we know good and bad in our heart?

What do you think is the cause of this?

Is this innate sense of good and bad same in everyone?

johnydon22:

Doesn't that make 'goodness' subjective and arbitrary in essence?

purem:



"MORAL INSTINCT" Don't know what that means but I do know it's best describe what you asking

johnydon22:


What do you think is caused of this moral instinct. Are there factors that affect the moral spectrum of our moral instinct or is it same for everyone in the world?

MORAL INSTINCT is An act done by instinct differs from every other kind of act in that an understanding of its object does not precede it but follows upon it. Instinct is therefore a rule of action given à priori. We may be unaware of the object to which it is directed, as no understanding of it is necessary to its attainment. On the other hand, if an act is done by an exercise of reason or intelligence, it proceeds according to a rule which the understanding has itself devised for the purpose of carrying out a preconceived aim. Hence it is that action according to rule may miss its aim, while instinct is infallible.

Qpetz:


And you think such a being will be concerned with morality?

orisa37:
Concept of Goodness, how does it come about?
Life started on Ground Zero-The Earth. Life develop from on Earth i.e, grow from ground zero. This is considered GOOD as against going down the Earth into oblivion which is opposite to growth and BAD. Therefore, Goodness is Growth, Improvement, Development, Enlargement, Expansion, Giratting and Skyrocketting into the Atmosphere above.
Below the Earth is Pit, Dungeon, Sheol, Hades, Hell and ultimate Death.
Life is Light and Good. Death is Darkness and Bad. Conscience is the main natural meter in Humans where these Concepts of Good and Bad are naturally stocked. So whoever you are, wherever you might come from, these Concepts are naturally built in every Human Conscience(Soul).
When a Baby feels the Heat radiating nearby, he naturally moves away to a cooler region. He knows immediately that Heat is Bad and Coolness is Good. This is how Goodness and Badness are generally known to those who have not known God.
Let there be Light, God said. The first Spirit of God came out.
And The Light was Good, God said. Goodness became the 2nd Spirit.
Let us make Life in Our Image. 3rd Spirit.
So Light was GOOD, Life was GOOD, and GOODNESS became all pervading Spirit of God in Humans.
You have asked, what is Good? Do you know that if you succeed getting answers to this question, you are good, contributing and successful? But if you fail, you are bad, frustrated and a failure?
This is the Christian Angle, 'cos Only God is really Good. God said so about God.
Goodness is one of the 7 Spirits that Jesus Christ won for all Christians on Earth to be remembered with.
The remaining six are, Light, Life, Faith, Hope, Peace and Love.
You might wish to ask, what are these? They are Part of The Goodness of God and The only ways to be like Jesus..

sonmvayina:

Bull crap

orisa37:
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Good is English Language from The Tower of Babel.
The "Orisa" in Yoruba is "Dara" and "Rere" also from TOB.
God gave these Languages from TOB.

festwiz:

You believe the tower of Babel bullshit?

It's the 21st century. Look around you and the magnificent skyscrapers everywhere and you still believe that crap? If the tower of Babel incident is true, then god's definitely dead.

orisa37:
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It's a Symbol representing more Skyscrapers yet to be built. It's a Bulleye not a bullshit.

festwiz:


What?!

orisa37:
My Idea has always been that Olorun Olodumare Oduduwa and Ifa are the same as God AlMighty Christ and Bible.
That Oduduwa was a Holy Spirit Nephilim Son of Olodumare.
I have a Chapel in my House. I write all my Posts and Texts there every Sunday. Do you have problems with that?

Seun:

It’s a meaningless term. To me objectivity and morality are not compatible. Every moral actor or group of moral actors has its own morality. If a sentient creator exists, his morality is just one of many. He judges right and wrong from his point of view, just like all other moral actors e.g. elephants, lions and human beings.

From a lion’s point of view, killing a baby elephant is morally acceptable because they have to kill to eat, but from an elephant’s point of view, lions that kill elephant babies are evil animals that ought to be exterminated.

From the hypothetical creator’s perspective, allowing little children to have cancer or be raped may be right, since he allows these things to happen; because he sees them as his playthings (he is the potter and we are the clay, right?). That doesn’t make those things right from our point of view as decent people. Any human who allows kids to be raped even though he could prevent it, would be condemned as evil by all human beings.

If a creator exists, his morality is just his subjective morality. I do not believe that picking one moral actor’s subjective morality and labeling it as “objective” makes sense.

Seun:
Then that is God’s subjective opinion of morality, I guess. Being the creator doesn’t make his positions objectively right.

CoolUsername:
I think 'good' is determined by general human consensus. That explains the different moral zeitgeists that we can observe throughout history. What is seen as normal today may be seen as deeply offensive in the future or vice versa. As society continues to advance and face new moral challenges it would adapt and morality would evolve.

johnydon22:


Morality today doesn't really have a general human consensus. it is more so, localized. Gay marriage is still morally abhorrable in Africa and not in America

winner01:
According to atheist philosopher Richard Taylor: “to say that something is wrong because… it is forbidden by God, is…. perfectly understandable to anyone who believes in a law-giving God. But to say that something is wrong… even though no God exists to forbid it, is not understandable… The concept of moral obligation [is] unintelligible apart from the idea of God. The words remain but their meaning is gone”.

johnydon22:


Morality today doesn't really have a general human consensus . it is more so, localized. Gay marriage is still morally abhorrable in Africa and not in America