urahara:
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Is the argument from Jewish exceptionalism valid, seeing as the Jews are vastly over represented in every field and yahweh promised to make them a great people .

hahn:


I could also say that the holocaust is also evidence of the existence of Yahweh since it stood by and watched as hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed by the Nazis

Bubu long time o

urahara:



Oga Hahn , longest time

Where you dey all this while

LordReed:
Hmmm I guess Allah must also be the true god since everyday you use Arabic numerals.

urahara:



That doesn't gel at all

LordReed:


What doesn't gel? How do you think Arabic numerals became what you use today?

hahn:


I could also say that the holocaust is also evidence of the existence of Yahweh since it stood by and watched as hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed by the Nazis

Bubu long time o

urahara:


1 . Arabs didnt invent Arabic numerals.it was invented by Hindu mathematicans.

2. I'm not talking about mere invention of numbers . I'm talking about being the pillars of the world . Governing every sphere to the extent that scientists carry out genetic tests to find out the reasons of their success.

Martinez19:
The Brazilian success in world football is a sign that the indigenous Brazilian gods are the true gods.

urahara:


1 . Arabs didnt invent Arabic numerals.it was invented by Hindu mathematicans.

2. I'm not talking about mere invention of numbers . I'm talking about being the pillars of the world . Governing every sphere to the extent that scientists carry out genetic tests to find out the reasons of their success.

LordReed:


Who popularized it? Where did Europeans encounter and adopt it from?

You can argue all you want but this Jewish exceptionalism is a myth propagated by their central mythology book in other to maintain a mystique. Same way lawyers use Latin words to maintain their status as interpreters of the law. There is nothing special about Jewish people just as there is nothing special about our Igbo brothers, they simply apply themselves to their fields of endeavour and excel. Abi is Amadioha also proven to exist by "Igbo exceptionalism"?

plaetton:


In some parts of Igboland , we had the Osu caste system. The Osu were supposedly dedicated to gods, so lived in vast tracks of land dedicated to various deities.
Now, when the missionaries came , the Osu were the first to convert to Christianity and the first receive western education. Thereupon, they became the first lawyers, doctors, engineers , etc.

Now, armed with western education and vast tracks of uncontested tracks of land, the Osu became the first set of wealthy and educated elites in Igboland and long thereafter.
Now, with the op's logic, we can also infer that Osu exceptionalism can be attributed to their custodian deities to whom they were dedicated to in those precolonial days.

The Jews share a similar history.
In Europe, the jews were persecuted and excluded from the nobility. There were not allowed to be part of trade guilds. To survive, the engaged in everyday petty trading, taking advantage of every demand opportunities in buying and selling. Thereafter, they became the merchant class if Europe. And as with societies, the merchant class is the wealthy class. While still discriminated and excluded from certain occupations, they continued to build critical mass in trading. Saturated with accumulated wealth, they went into moneylending and goldsmithing.
As anyone who knows the origins and history of banking can understand, this gave them enormous power and leverage everywhere they were.
Soon , they were banking for the Vatican, kings and princes of Europe, lending them money, with interests, to fund their sectarian wars.
And lest I forget to mention, they jews were the first to adopt formal education as a necessity.

So , its easy to see how persecution from Christian Europe nurtured and sustained Jewish survival and exceptionalism to the modern day.

plaetton:


In some parts of Igboland , we had the Osu caste system. The Osu were supposedly dedicated to gods, so lived in vast tracks of land dedicated to various deities.
Now, when the missionaries came , the Osu were the first to convert to Christianity and the first receive western education. Thereupon, they became the first lawyers, doctors, engineers , etc.

Now, armed with western education and vast tracks of uncontested tracks of land, the Osu became the first set of wealthy and educated elites in Igboland and long thereafter.
Now, with the op's logic, we can also infer that Osu exceptionalism can be attributed to their custodian deities to whom they were dedicated to in those precolonial days.

The Jews share a similar history.
In Europe, the jews were persecuted and excluded from the nobility. There were not allowed to be part of trade guilds. To survive, the engaged in everyday petty trading, taking advantage of every demand opportunities in buying and selling. Thereafter, they became the merchant class if Europe. And as with societies, the merchant class is the wealthy class. While still discriminated and excluded from certain occupations, they continued to build critical mass in trading. Saturated with accumulated wealth, they went into moneylending and goldsmithing.
As anyone who knows the origins and history of banking can understand, this gave them enormous power and leverage everywhere they were.
Soon , they were banking for the Vatican, kings and princes of Europe, lending them money, with interests, to fund their sectarian wars.
And lest I forget to mention, they jews were the first to adopt formal education as a necessity.

So , its easy to see how persecution from Christian Europe nurtured and sustained Jewish survival and exceptionalism to the modern day.

PastorAIO:
To put it more accurately, ..... Usury was a sin in Europe in the medieval days. Christians were not allowed to lend money with interest charges. Jews too, according to judaism, were not allowed to lend money at interest to each other. But there was an exception afforded to the Jews. They were allowed to lend money to foreigners at interest. This is how Jews came to dominate the Banking sector.

Deutoronomy 23:19-20
9Do not charge your brother interest on money, food, or any other type of loan. 20You may charge a foreigner interest, but not your brother, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything to which you put your hand in the land you are entering to possess


Since Europe's expanding economy needed loans and christians were not allowed to lend to each other, the europeans turned to the Jews who were allowed in their religion to lend to foreigners. Even though Europeans attacked Jews and wouldn't let them get involved in most other trades they allowed them to do Finance. It so happens that that was the most powerful aspect of any economy that was handed to the Jews. as

PastorAIO:
It is important to add that most Jews are not wealthy and are not dominant in their fields of endeavour.

And also there are a massive amount of Jews leading in intellectual fields (Einstein Freud Spinoza etc) in the last couple of centuries but this has not always been the case.

Throughout most of history the Jews were under the thumb of their neighbours. The Egyptians dominated them. The assyrians dominated them, the Babylonians and the Persians dominated them. The Romans scattered them. If it was genetic or a matter of god favouring them them then we would see a consistency throughout history of their dominance.

What we should do is study what factors apply in their lives over the last couple of centuries that has enabled them to rise to the top of many fields. I would suggest they have a very strong Asabiyyah and the tendency to invest in their own population. This is a very major key to the supremacy of any racial group.

On the other hand if you would want to find a people who have consistently been the most advanced population on earth for many thousands of years then you need look no further than the Chinese peoples. It is only in the last 200 years that they were over taken by Europe and it seems that now they are returning back on top.

Is this evidence of the truth of the Chinese Gods? Or are there non mythological factors that we can point to? Why did they fall behind? Studying this may help us to understand why people who fall behind (africans) in general fall behind. Could it be a parochial attitude that crept into Chinese thinking? Look at Africans. Are we not arguably the most parochial people on the planet today?

plaetton:

Nonsense

PastorAIO:
How many of the exceptional Jews are Atheists?

Isn't it odd that as more Jews become atheist the better they seem do in life?

urahara:



True.


It's also odd that only the Ashkenazi Jews perform amazing feats .

The ethopian Jews are rated poorly amongst all the Jews.

Yahwehs promise , if true , would have been for the black Jews too.

PastorAIO:


Have you heard that story that the Ashkenazi are in fact from the Ukraine region. An ancient kingdom called Khazaria. The information is very scanty and I've heard fierce opposition to the story too. Apparently these people converted to Judaism en masse.

urahara:


This theory has been thorughly debunked.even dna analysis has debunked that.

The Ashkenazi are descended from the middle East

urahara:


This theory has been thorughly debunked.even dna analysis has debunked that.

The Ashkenazi are descended from the middle East

hahn:


I could also say that the holocaust is also evidence of the existence of Yahweh since it stood by and watched as hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed by the Nazis

Bubu long time o