italo:
Why would Hitler tell a Catholic to renounce Jesus? I thought it was Mary, Images, saints and anything but Jesus that they worship. Wouldn't that mean that even the devil(Hitler) thinks (or knows) they worship Jesus?
Didn't they do his bidding during the nazi regime? I didn't hear that they resisted his orders. Why do you think true Christian churches went underground during the communists regimes and not the orthodox big churches? italo:
Even if you want to dodge a question, this was a very poor way of doing it. Haba! To think that I thought highly of you. Just to refresh your memory, which I thought was better. The question was; "Why should both the cross and the symbol not be considered pagan symbols. Is it not the same Catholic Church that brought about the symbol that also brought about the veneration of the Cross and the Crucifix? Or is making a cross and venerating it not "idolatory" like non-Catholics always say?"
True Christians don't have Jesus hanging on the cross because they believe that He rose from the dead but your jesus is still hanging on the cross, it is no wonder that you bow down to worship an image on the cross your folks are now worshipping and venerating an apparition that they claim is one jesus have you made travelling plans to be there? italo:
That might just be a good reason for me to have doubts. But what about you, don't you make an Idol of the cross? And what is the 'Eucharist'? Last time I checked, it was Christ.
Why do you assume that I make an idol of the image of a cross? The Eucharist is a typical example of how you make an idol of an object and then call it christ so as to have an excuse to worship it. italo:
Of course it's clear to me that the devil is at work in the world. However, this is only another kind of persecution. Those who endured even worse persecution(and stood firm in the name of the Lord even in the face of dehumanizing deaths) many centuries ago have been 'persecuted' as 'pagans' by you.
Anyone who refuses to bow to idols, living or non living objects but worships the true and only God can be said to be a true Christian, but can that be said of those who worship religious symbols, persons or objects? italo:
I wasn't asking about Muslims and socialists. I said shouldn't you be proud of Obama for covering up 'pagan' symbols? Straight to the point.
Who told you that Obama is afraid of your symbols? Its just that he doesn't want them to be offensive to unbelievers, but what he doesn't realise is that the cross has always been a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles |
This is what it means by being a cross carrying Christian. This is a warning to those of you who think being a Christian is an easy life, if you are thinking of becoming a Christian think again and count the costs. Read the article below before you start what you cannot finish. It is not meant for the lilly livered or faint hearted. It is only for the brave. OLAADEGBU:
God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.
It is true that God loves you, but you decide if His plan is "wonderful." If you have heard that happiness comes through Jesus Christ, you may like to think again. The first thing Jesus said of the Apostle Paul (who wrote most of the New Testament) was that He would show him "how great things he must suffer for (His) name's sake.1 Three times Paul was beaten with rods, once he was stoned, three times he suffered shipwreck, a night and a day he spent in the sea.2 There were times when Paul was so unhappy, he wanted to die. The Bible says, "All who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."3 It says we enter the Kingdom of God through much distress,4 and that we were appointed to afflictions.5
Jesus said if we followed Him we would be reviled, persecuted, hated, and all manner of evil would be said against us falsely, for His sake. He warned that we would have to take up our cross daily, deny ourselves and follow Him, saying, "In the world you shall have tribulation," and even that we may be called to die for our faith.6
My wife once spoke to a young man who had believed alluring television advertisements and joined the navy to see the world; and what did he see? He saw the sea . . . and found nothing but hard work. Now he couldn't wait to leave the navy. If they had been honest in their advertising, the navy may not have got as many recruits, but at least the ones they did get would be committed, rather than deserters at heart.
I have told you the truth about Christianity. Oh . . . I forgot to mention one thing along with the trials comes "the gift of God" . . .everlasting life!7 The Apostle Paul lost everything for the sake of his faith, and said that compared to what he had found in Jesus Christ, all the riches of this world were nothing but "dung."8
If you are interested in your eternal salvation, with a tender conscience, answer the following: Have you ever lied, hated, lusted, stolen, committed adultery, had sex outside of marriage (or desired to)? Have you kept the Sabbath holy, always honoured your parents, have you put God first in your affections, have you blasphemed His name (using it to curse), have you made a god to suit yourself (been guilty of "idolatry"making a god in your own image)?
If you have broken even one of those Ten Commandments, then you have "sinned against God." On Judgment Day you will be found to be guilty. Forget any thought of a "wonderful plan" without God's mercy, you will go to Hell. Unless you repent, you will perish.9 God doesn't ask you to consider His plan for your life, He commands you to repent.10 When Jesus died on the cross, He took the punishment which was due to you and me for our sins. In doing so, He satisfied the demands of Eternal Justice, and at the same time He demonstrated how much God loves us. If you repent and put your faith in Jesus, God will forgive your sins and grant you the gift of everlasting life. Don't say you will "give it some thought"instead obey the command.
If you stepped into a courtroom and offered to pay a £50,000 fine I couldn't pay, what an insult it would be for me to say I would give your offer of help "some thought." Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, then by the grace of God hold on, because you have just begun the "abundant life" you are going to be busy swimming upstream against the world (with all its sinful pleasures), the flesh (your sinful nature) and the devil (you'll find out about him). Read the Bible daily, obey what you read, and you will never fail.
For further reading Foxes Book of Martyrs (at your Christian bookstore).
Bible references:
1. Acts 9:16
2. 2 Corinthians 1:8
3. 2 Timothy 3:12
4. Acts 14:22
5. 1 Thessalonians 3:3
6. Matthew 24:9
7. Romans 6:23
8. Philippians 3:8
9. Luke 13:3
10. Acts 17:30
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