The White House demanded that the cross of Jesus Christ be covered up when Obama spoke at Georgetown Catholic University.  Is this guy really a Christian?

The White House acknowledges that it asked Georgetown University, a Catholic institution, to cover up prominent Christian symbols for President Obama's economic speech this past Tuesday. The symbols, the letters "IHS" which stands for Jesus Christ, and a cross, are engraved on a pediment that stands behind the stage from which Obama delivered his address. Both the cross and the symbolic representation of Jesus' name were not hidden by the background drapes that the White House wanted for the event, and so the Administration asked the school to cover them.

A spokesman for the White House said that there was no intent behind the request to cover the symbols other than to provide a standard presidential background.

"Decisions made about the backdrop for the speech were made to have a consistent background of American flags, which is standard for many presidential events. Any suggestions to the contrary are simply false."
A spokesperson for Georgetown echoed the White House line, but did not respond when asked if similar requests had been made for other presidential addresses at the school.

The Administration may have wanted to control the visuals from the speech, but the request to cover up Christian symbols at a Catholic school is bound to detract from the message. If the White House wanted to give a speech in a religiously neutral environment, there were plenty of venues to choose from in Washington. It is doubtful that anyone would have questioned the presence of the symbols had the Administration not asked for them to be hidden. Ironically, in their absence, the symbols may never have been more visible.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/04/16/white-house-asked-georgetown-to-cover-christian-symbols-for-obam/

Obama is a Muslim, go kill yourself. . . .

I know that technically he is a muslim by birth and officially he claims to be a christian by mouth but what does all these socialist actions tell us about what he really believes?  All other past Presidents did not make such demands when they spoke at churches and I know that Obama does not make such demands when he visits mosques.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

OLAADEGBU:

I know that technically he is a muslim by birth and officially he claims to be a christian by mouth but what does all these socialist actions tell us about what he really believes?  All other past Presidents did not make such demands when they spoke at churches and I know that Obama does not make such demands when he visits mosques.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

When did Obama give speech in a mosque?

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Ask am oo. . . Me sef no remember

I thought Mr Oladeegbu thinks catholics are demonic pagan worshippers. Shouldn't covering up their ''pagan symbols'' make him a true christian

mazaje:

When did Obama give speech in a mosque?

I said when he visits mosque. If you want to know whether he gave speech in the mosque you will have to find that out, but do you think he will dare tell them to remove Islamic signs because he wants to give a speech?

This is what Obama is capable of doing in the clip below:

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Tudór:

I thought Mr Oladeegbu thinks catholics are demonic pagan worshippers. Shouldn't covering up their ''pagan symbols'' make him a true christian

The jesuit symbol may be a pagan symbol but the cross is not. For them to agree to cover it up says so much about how they stand up to their faith.

OLAADEGBU:

I know that technically he is a muslim by birth and officially he claims to be a christian by mouth but what does all these socialist actions tell us about what he really believes?  All other past Presidents did not make such demands when they spoke at churches and I know that Obama does not make such demands when he visits mosques.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Last time I checked, it was Georgetown University that he was speaking at not a church.
Technically, according to Islam, all humans are born Muslim.
Now he's a socialist? Do you know what it means to be a socialist?

If you understand, Jesus is the Christ.

If you do not understand, Jesus is the Christ. . .

^^^oriiiimii oooo!
when did catholics became christains?
I tot you have been preaching against catholics and there peganism?

You are just a pathetic 'born against' Mubarak Hussaini Obama. Period.

thehomer:

Last time I checked, it was Georgetown University that he was speaking at not a church.
Technically, according to Islam, all humans are born Muslim.
Now he's a socialist? Do you know what it means to be a socialist?

Did you read the OP at all, did it say that Obama was to speak in a church or Georgetown University? In Islam children born to muslim fathers technically become muslims. If you want to know what Obama practises ask his coursemate in the university where he studied, he said it all.

OLAADEGBU:

Did you read the OP at all, did it say that Obama was to speak in a church or Georgetown University? In Islam children born to muslim fathers technically become muslims. If you want to know what Obama practises ask his coursemate in the university where he studied, he said it all.

so, how come he was a member of a church not a mosque? so, children born to muslim fathers are automatically condemned to be muslims and can never be christians? na wah for u o. not that the religious faith of the american president is of any concern to anyone except those "white" bigots mostly down south, this your campaign against obama is becoming rather ridiculous; hope u seek much needed psychiatric help soon as possible

What a believer can see with ease, a blind unbeliever may never see, even if given a scope.

Image123:

What a believer can see with ease, a blind unbeliever may never see, even if given a scope.

God bless you brother, that was spot on, it's like describing the colour red to someone born blind.

OLAADEGBU:

Did you read the OP at all, did it say that Obama was to speak in a church or Georgetown University?

It was to speak at a university as president. And when speaking in his official capacity, he is not supposed to be supporting any particular religion or religious sect.

OLAADEGBU:

In Islam children born to muslim fathers technically become muslims.

That's not what I read. This is from one of the Islamic texts. A book that declares itself true just as some other books do.

Check this site out. http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_intr.htm

This is the relevant part of it near the end.

[list]
[li]All people are considered children of Adam. Islam officially rejects racism.[/li]
[li]All children are born on Al-Fitra (a pure, natural state of submission to Islam). His parents sometimes make him Christian, Jewish, etc.[/li]
[/list]

Do you not agree with their analysis?

OLAADEGBU:

If you want to know what Obama practises ask his coursemate in the university where he studied, he said it all.

Why should anyone believe what your claimed random coursemate says? Did he say he was not a Christian or did he mention the religion he practiced?

Tudór:

I thought Mr Oladeegbu thinks catholics are demonic pagan worshippers. Shouldn't covering up their ''pagan symbols'' make him a true christian

OLAADEGBU:

The jesuit symbol may be a pagan symbol but the cross is not. For them to agree to cover it up says so much about how they stand up to their faith.

If the Cross is not a pagan symbol but the 'Catholic demonic pagans' are using it(alongside other demonic pagan symbols) for demonic pagan purposes in a demonic pagan house of worship, should you not be proud of Obama as a true Christian for covering them up and - in doing so - discouraging millions of Americans from emulating and imitating these demonic pagan practices?

Why should both the cross and the symbol not be considered pagan symbols. Is it not the same Catholic Church that brought about the symbol that also brought about the veneration of the Cross and the Crucifix? Or is making a cross and venerating it not "idolatory" like non-Catholics always say?

Remember the Bible says in Exodus 20:4: "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

Doesn't that tell us that it's not only making images of Jesus, Mary or the Saints(in heaven) that is wrong but also making images of the Cross(on earth) too.

Shouldn't you be very proud of Obama?

thehomer:

It was to speak at a university as president. And when speaking in his official capacity, he is not supposed to be supporting any particular religion or religious sect.

The moment he decided to speak at the Catholic University he had chosen to use a religious institution as his platform.

thehomer:

That's not what I read. This is from one of the Islamic texts. A book that declares itself true just as some other books do.

Check this site out. http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_intr.htm

This is the relevant part of it near the end.

Do you not agree with their analysis?

What analysis? See an atheist explaining what being a muslim is, don't you atheists claim that babies are born atheist? so why can't muslims say the same thing?

This is Obama doing his own thing here:

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thehomer:

Why should anyone believe what your claimed random coursemate says? Did he say he was not a Christian or did he mention the religion he practiced?

It is Obama's coursemate not mine. When did Obama renounce Islamic as his faith? You can discern his religion by what he practises and this is pretty obvious.

OLAADEGBU:

The moment he decided to speak at the Catholic University he had chosen to use a religious institution as his platform.

Have you considered that universities are not called churches because they are not churches. Churches are religious institutions. Universities are not religious institutions. This is one of the reasons why universities are supposed to be accredited for courses taught there. Churches do not need to be accredited.

OLAADEGBU:

What analysis? See an atheist explaining what being a muslim is, don't you atheists claim that babies are born atheist? so why can't muslims say the same thing?

Well you haven't answered. Do you agree with the analysis? Why do you agree or not agree?

OLAADEGBU:

This is Obama doing his own thing here:

I won't waste my time watching those videos. You can simply summarize what's in it then I'll decide whether to watch it or not to see how you arrived at your conclusion.

OLAADEGBU:

It is Obama's coursemate not mine. When did Obama renounce Islamic as his faith? You can discern his religion by what he practises and this is pretty obvious.

Since you supplied this information without evidence, I have to take it as coming from you.
But he has stated that he is a Christian. Or do you know of anyone who practices both Christianity and Islam at the same time?
Well it's pretty obvious to me that he wishes to obey the law to keep religion and state separate in this address.

italo:

If the Cross is not a pagan symbol but the 'Catholic demonic pagans' are using it(alongside other demonic pagan symbols) for demonic pagan purposes in a demonic pagan house of worship, should you not be proud of Obama as a true Christian for covering them up and - in doing so - discouraging millions of Americans from emulating and imitating these demonic pagan practices?

Even if they are demonic symbols Obama has shown that you have no backbone to challenge him, if it was Hitler that told you to renounce Jesus Christ you would jump before he tells you to.

italo:

Why should both the cross and the symbol not be considered pagan symbols. Is it not the same Catholic Church that brought about the symbol that also brought about the veneration of the Cross and the Crucifix? Or is making a cross and venerating it not "idolatory" like non-Catholics always say?

Jesus said those who are ashamed of Him are not worthy of Him.

italo:

Remember the Bible says in Exodus 20:4: "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

You are known for making an idol out of the Eucarist how much more of symbols.

italo:

Doesn't that tell us that it's not only making images of Jesus, Mary or the Saints(in heaven) that is wrong but also making images of the Cross(on earth) too.

You will have to ask Obama's administration what they have to fear about the name and cross of Jesus, I even learnt that they have now banned the army chaplains from using the name of Jesus Christ in prayers when they are praying for christian soldiers.

italo:

Shouldn't you be very proud of Obama?

A lot of Muslims and socialists would certainly be proud of him for stripping America of what remains of their Judeo-christian values.

thehomer:

Have you considered that universities are not called churches because they are not churches. Churches are religious institutions. Universities are not religious institutions. This is one of the reasons why universities are supposed to be accredited for courses taught there. Churches do not need to be accredited.

Where did I say that he gave his speech in a church? If you cannot read the OP then there is not much I can do to help your ignorance.

thehomer:

Well you haven't answered. Do you agree with the analysis? Why do you agree or not agree?

I don't know why you bother yourself with Christianity and Islam since you've got no clue of what you are talking about and you refuse to learn, why bother?

thehomer:

I won't waste my time watching those videos. You can simply summarize what's in it then I'll decide whether to watch it or not to see how you arrived at your conclusion.

You don't watch, wouldn't watch and can't watch or read clips or links to get informed, is it compulsory for you to contribute to religious topics? You will have to convince the administrators to give you your subsections as the muslims have so that you can share your ideas with like minded people.

thehomer:

Since you supplied this information without evidence, I have to take it as coming from you.
But he has stated that he is a Christian. Or do you know of anyone who practices both Christianity and Islam at the same time?
Well it's pretty obvious to me that he wishes to obey the law to keep religion and state separate in this address.

What is the evidence that you are going to read or access the information if I supply it?  If you have a closed mind and are not ready to learn you might just as well start researching for your own information yourself if that will suffice you.

Interesting. According to the cartoon caption, the "unseen" is what is more important than the "seen", and you all seem to be in agreement with this. If that is the case, why then are you all fretting over the covering of religious pagan symbols which obviously fall in the "seen" category? Does that not show that the "seen" is that which is of greater importance to you, folks? You guys just remain tied in knots as usual.

Image123:

What a believer can see with ease, a blind unbeliever may never see, even if given a scope.

OLAADEGBU:

God bless you brother, that was spot on, it's like describing the colour red to someone born blind.

OLAADEGBU:

Where did I say that he gave his speech in a church?  If you cannot read the OP then there is not much I can do to help your ignorance.

I have read the OP and the original article. This is your quote

OLAADEGBU:

The moment he decided to speak at the Catholic University he had chosen to use a religious institution as his platform.

My point is that a University is not a religious institution.

OLAADEGBU:

I don't know why you bother yourself with Christianity and Islam since you've got no clue of what you are talking about and you refuse to learn, why bother?

I think I do know what I'm talking about. I'm simply pointing out to you what Muslims believe. By the way, have you renounced Islam?

OLAADEGBU:

You don't watch, wouldn't watch and can't watch or read clips or links to get informed, is it compulsory for you to contribute to religious topics?  You will have to convince the administrators to give you your subsections as the muslims have so that you can share your ideas to like minded people.

Maybe my appeal failed. Could you please pray to God that it succeeds next time? By the way, it seems your previous prayer still has not worked.

OLAADEGBU:

What is the evidence that you are going to read or access the information if I supply it?  If you have a closed mind and are not ready to learn you might just as well start researching for your own information yourself that will suffice you.

Well, I refused to read your tracts from your links on a previous post but eventually got round to it when you posted them here with some sort of conclusion. I simply won't waste my time debating a youtube video. Unless you give a good enough reason here with some of your conclusions reached by watching that video.
I love how you jump at closed mindedness when you demonstrate it repeatedly by picking and choosing what scientific facts and conclusions to use and discard those that do not meet your preconceived religious views.

Jenwitemi:

Interesting. According to the cartoon caption, the "unseen" is what is more important than the "seen", and you all seem to be in agreement with this. If that is the case, why then are you all fretting over the covering of religious pagan symbols which obviously fall in the "seen" category? Does that not show that the "seen" is that which is of greater importance to you, folks? You guys just remain tied in knots as usual.

This is why the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.

http://www.joyfultoons.com/toons.html

Yes, of course, olaadegbu. But is clinging on to a cross not idolatory? Does that not go against the will of god? Don't you think that YOU are the ones perishing without you knowing it? Have you not been deceived by the false teachings of the CHURCH?

OLAADEGBU:

This is why the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.

http://www.joyfultoons.com/toons.html

thehomer:

I have read the OP and the original article. This is your quote
My point is that a University is not a religious institution.

If you have ever attended or visited a university that is owned by a religious institution before you will realise that we have religious institutions within the educational institutional premises.

thehomer:

I think I do know what I'm talking about. I'm simply pointing out to you what Muslims believe. By the way, have you renounced Islam?

Allow muslims to defend what they believe and don't muddle things up.

thehomer:

Maybe my appeal failed. Could you please pray to God that it succeeds next time? By the way, it seems your previous prayer still has not worked.

You will have to believe that God exists if you want Him to hear your prayers, its a pity that the administrators that you believe exists can't hear your petition.

thehomer:

Well, I refused to read your tracts from your links on a previous post but eventually got round to it when you posted them here with some sort of conclusion. I simply won't waste my time debating a youtube video. Unless you give a good enough reason here with some of your conclusions reached by watching that video.

If you know you can't read or watch links suggested to you then don't ask for evidence to be supplied.

thehomer:

I love how you jump at closed mindedness when you demonstrate it repeatedly by picking and choosing what scientific facts and conclusions to use and discard those that do not meet your preconceived religious views.

If you don't want to be confused with the facts because your mind is made up then don't ask for facts.

Jenwitemi:

Yes, of course, olaadegbu. But is clinging on to a cross not idolatory? Does that not go against the will of god? Don't you think that YOU are the ones perishing without you knowing it? Have you not been deceived by the false teachings of the CHURCH?

I will cling to the old rugged cross . . . and exchange it someday with a crown.

OLAADEGBU:

If you have ever attended or visited a university that is owned by a religious institution before you will realise that we have religious institutions within the educational institutional premises.

Sure there maybe churches or mosques in a University, that does not make the University a religious institution. The article does not indicate that he was giving the speech in a chapel.

OLAADEGBU:

Allow muslims to defend what they believe and don't muddle things up.

That is one of the things they believe. It's no more valid to me than your beliefs in your bible.

OLAADEGBU:

You will have to believe that God exists if you want Him to hear your prayers, its a pity that the administrators that you believe exists can't hear your petition.

No. I'm asking you who believes in a God to say the prayers or are you afraid that they'll fail again?

OLAADEGBU:

If you know you can't read or watch links suggested to you then don't ask for evidence to be supplied.

I just indicated that I'll read them if you post them here, or watch them if you give good reasons.

OLAADEGBU:

If you don't want to be confused with the facts because your mind is made up then don't ask for facts.

Here you go again accusing me of what [b]you [/b]do. I'll change my opinions if the facts are available. But you don't do that. You instead pick and choose facts based on whether they agree with your previous opinions arrived at with poor evidence from an old book that has been demonstrated to have multiple errors.

Obama's Christianity is far better than the one I see here on Nairaland, reading his accounts of conversion and acceptance of Christ and the way he deals with it and his acceptance of other faiths is quite refreshing. We hear people saying that America was founded by guys from across the Ocean and on Christian principles, real bullshit, what happened to the guys that were there before the advent of the "pilgrims", it is disrespectful to the red Indians.

Olaadegbu forgets that America is not a christian country, though has a christian population. Unlike Saudi Arabia, Vatican, now Italy, Iran, even Iraq, Israel, Pakistan, countries which are religious based and formed, Christianity in America is "for show". The jews of America could easily throw their weight around. There are others who will let the christian rights, empty conservatism hear an ear full, from the constitution. America is not formed on Christianity. Far from it. Those who know the constitution will argue it with the like of the British Bible Thumper Olaadegbu.

nopuqeater:

Olaadegbu forgets that America is not a christian country, though has a christian population. Unlike Saudi Arabia, Vatican, now Italy, Iran, even Iraq, Israel, Pakistan, countries which are religious based and formed, Christianity in America is "for show". The jews of America could easily throw their weight around. There are others who will let the christian rights, empty conservatism hear an ear full, from the constitution. America is not formed on Christianity. Far from it. Those who know the constitution will argue it with the like of the British Bible Thumper Olaadegbu.

People are welcome to pratice their different faiths there without prosecution but when the guests pushes the host aside then you know that host is hanging on a limb. Tell us whether Obama is a muslim or not, do you also believe that he is a christian? If Obama comes to any of your religious education centres and demands that certain Islamic symbols be brought down do you think your muslim scholars would oblige?

Even if they are demonic symbols Obama has shown that you have no backbone to challenge him, if it was Hitler that told you to renounce Jesus Christ you would jump before he tells you to.

Why would Hitler tell a Catholic to renounce Jesus? I thought it was Mary, Images, saints and anything but Jesus that they worship. Wouldn't that mean that even the devil(Hitler) thinks (or knows) they worship Jesus?

Jesus said those who are ashamed of Him are not worthy of Him.

Even if you want to dodge a question, this was a very poor way of doing it. Haba! To think that I thought highly of you. Just to refresh your memory, which I thought was better. The question was; "Why should both the cross and the symbol not be considered pagan symbols. Is it not the same Catholic Church that brought about the symbol that also brought about the veneration of the Cross and the Crucifix? Or is making a cross and venerating it not "idolatory" like non-Catholics always say?"

You are known for making an idol out of the Eucarist how much more of symbols.

That might just be a good reason for me to have doubts. But what about you, don't you make an Idol of the cross? And what is the 'Eucharist'? Last time I checked, it was Christ.

You will have to ask Obama's administration what they have to fear about the name and cross of Jesus, I even learnt that they have now banned the army chaplains from using the name of Jesus Christ in prayers when they are praying for christian soldiers.

Of course it's clear to me that the devil is at work in the world. However, this is only another kind of persecution. Those who endured even worse persecution(and stood firm in the name of the Lord even in the face of dehumanizing deaths) many centuries ago have been 'persecuted' as 'pagans' by you.

A lot of Muslims and socialists would certainly be proud of him for stripping America of what remains of their Judeo-christian values.

I wasn't asking about Muslims and socialists. I said shouldn't you be proud of Obama for covering up 'pagan' symbols? Straight to the point.