TATIME:
@XxSabrinaxX
Going by the explanations from budaatum, i hope you agreed with him but if not we can iron that out later.
So were you once a Christian? Because those things budaatum explained must be STRICTLY adhered to by the entire association of those you were worshipping with back then if truthfully they are Christians. But if it's not so then you were NEVER a Christian because Christians worships together as congregations and all that Christ COMMANDED they must uphold! Matthew 28:19,20

Newsflash!!!Sabrine got fed up with your God,period.

budaatum:

Mere dust? Don't be silly calling a thing God moulded with its own hands and breathed its own breathe into, "mere dust", it is blasphemy! That "mere dust" was referred to as gods in their own right, mind, by people with authority! The Lord your God cannot be telling you to love "mere dust" with all your heart and all your soul and all your being and God!

His God actually says a lot.
His God once said that several nations(including women and children) will perish.

TATIME:
The title "God" according to the Bible simply means one to be revered as in to subject oneself completely to HIS will or decisions. That's why most humans have been playing the God thing on their fellow humans! When anybody is demanding exclusive devotion from another person, such one is playing the role of GOD! So JEHOVAH the ONLY true God is just introducing HIMSELF to humans with the help of the book HE inspired humans like you and i to write, please don't add to what HE reveals about HIMSELF!

I asked you to list out his characteristics. But since you conveniently dodged that part, let me answer it for you:

Holiness, Immutability, Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnibenevolence, Infinity, Eternity, Goodness, Love, Righteousness, Providence, Trinity, Transcendence, Simplicity, Sovereignty etc etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attributes_of_God_in_Christianity
All these are characteristics of the christian god

XxSabrinaxX:

LOL!! You're simply just begging for a "gotcha" moment abi? I know your type; Intellectually dubious christians who design questions just so they can trap atheists. But let me just play your game for once in this argument


You didn't specify where in the bible but I'm assuming this passage:
“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” Luke 22:35-38
This phrase is understood in various ways: (1) Jesus is indicating His former way has failed and now the disciples must become revolutionists. (2) Jesus is speaking in irony. Previously the disciples found His way adequate, but now they are ready to abandon it. (3) The disciples are heading toward a time of persecution different from anything they have known and for which they are to make prudent preparation. The first view is impossible. The second or third interpretation best fits the passage.


According to 2 John 7, there was the widespread belief that Jesus had only "appeared" and therefore did not come in the flesh -- so-called incipient Gnosticism.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

So in the epistle of First John, we see this "foot-stomping" that the very eternal life of God was robed in human flesh.
1 John 1:1-2
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us.

In other words, this eternal life was robed in the flesh, who was able to be physically touched, and he is equated with "eternal life."
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

So he came in the flesh and he is "the true God." We therefore acknowledge that the mortal life of his body is blood, but we also see in the Gospel of John that the "eternal life" of Jesus Christ is "water." That is, Jesus described his eternal life as "living water."
John 4:13-14: Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”

So this eternal life is the "living water." So there we have the blood, which is the mortal life of the Person of Jesus Christ, and we have the water, which is the eternal life of the Person of Jesus Christ. When he died on the cross, both his mortal life (blood) and eternal life (water) left his body, and so the PERSON died both physically and spiritually. Please click here for an amplified discussion.

This particular revelation of "water + blood" comes from the Holy Spirit, who reveals (and therefore "testifies" divine truth to man according to 1 John 5:6 (and also Ephesians 3:5). And of course the resurrection of Jesus Christ (which was the blood + the water + the Spirit) also "testifies" together collectively according to 1 John 5:7 (and also Romans 1:3-4).





There are only two and all others fall under their umbrella. Love God with all our might, soul and mind, then second, love everyone else as we love ourselves. Even the next most important duty of telling others of God and Jesus falls under the second of the “great commandments”. If we don’t tell others then we don’t love them enough to save them from eternal fire. I find the telling of others to be very important due to Romans 10:9–10. Some say it is a work, but it is an act of love, not a work of the law which works were meant to better us. The act of love only shows our love, it is not meant to better us, although it probably does.


If the Christian expects to be slandered and keeps his eyes focused on God when it happens, he will not be depressed over it.
Other human beings can harm only a christian's worldly pleasure. A person can injure a christian's body, steal his money, or even destroy his reputation. However, all of these things have to do only with the cares and pleasures of this world. But they have an inheritance that is laid up in heaven, a treasure no one can steal or defile (1 Peter 1:4). It is protected by the Lord Himself.

*what is His stand on politics?
I'd imagine Jesus Christ as an absolute dictator.
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
For His 1,000 year kingdom, He will reign absolutely, unquestioned and unchallenged in perfection. Sin will be immediately and harshly dealt with, resulting in being cast into a literal, visible lake of fire. Even reading the so-called “sermon on the mount”, if one pays close attention, he will see that all the nice-sounding stuff has a very dire warning behind it. Matthew 5–7 is the “Constitution of the Kingdom”, and contains the code of conduct for this millennial kingdom.
Jesus isn’t a libertarian, or a commie or socialist (He has a brain, after all). He is a perfect, powerful potentate, the only flawless king ever, and His kingdom and authority will be absolute.


These questions are a scam to be honest. You're attempting to attain by rhetoric and entrapment what you'll never get. You've come no closer to answering my questions and now you want to turn the questions at me. I knew you'll never be able to answer those questions directly . Just give up and admit to me that you have no answer to my questions; I wont hold it against you

Hello Madam! I was a Muslim and if you asked me what Muslims believe, i'll go straight to what is WRITTEN in the Qur'an that is the obligations of all Muslims. NOT start distinguishing what different sects believed. I expected you as someone who was once a Christian to go straight to the point by enumerating what he/she formerly believed AS A CHRISTIAN before you abandoned the crap(as you now assume) at least you've been PRACTICING it before, you shouldn't be limping between different opinions. The question is simple "what do you believe BACK THEN as a former Christian".
Sorry Madam, you failed woefully!
Even budaatum that i never directed the questions to performed much better than you who claimed to have been a Christian!

TATIME:
Hello Madam! I was a Muslim and if you asked me what Muslims believe, i'll go straight to what is WRITTEN in the Qur'an that is the obligations of all Muslims. NOT start distinguishing what different sects believed. I expected you as someone who was once a Christian to go straight to the point by enumerating what he/she formerly believed AS A CHRISTIAN before you abandoned the crap(as you now assume) at least you've been PRACTICING it before, you shouldn't be limping between different opinions. The question is simple "what do you believe BACK THEN as a former Christian".
Sorry Madam, you failed woefully!
Even budaatum that i never directed the questions to performed much better than you who claimed to have been a Christian!

Denial and cowardice rolled into one. TATIME, you are a true gem
* Objectively speaking, which questions did I fail to answer or are you talking out of your ass as usual? If you care to know I could have given short answers but I purposely made my answers obfuscating just so I can clown you for asking them . If you say I failed, that just means even YOU are not a true christian
* How have you come any closer to proving your god exists, if we conclude that I was never a true christian?
* Why have you actively dodged my remaining questions, but instead went ahead to form your own? Is this a ploy to cover up your crass ignorance about the subject?

XxSabrinaxX:LOL!! You're simply just begging for a "gotcha" moment abi? grin grin I know your type; Intellectually dubious christians who design questions just so they can trap atheists. But let me just play your game for once in this argument wink......These questions are a scam to be honest. You're attempting to attain by rhetoric and entrapment what you'll never get.

TATIME: Sorry Madam, you failed woefully!

TATIME, you're so predictable its just too easy .

XxSabrinaxX:

Denial and cowardice rolled into one. TATIME, you are a true gem
* Objectively speaking, which questions did I fail to answer or are you talking out of your ass as usual? If you care to know I could have given short answers but I purposely made my answers obfuscating just so I can clown you for asking them . If you say I failed, that just means even YOU are not a true christian
* How have you come any closer to proving your god exists, if we conclude that I was never a true christian?
* Why have you actively dodged my remaining questions, but instead went ahead to form your own? Is this a ploy to cover up your crass ignorance about the subject?
TATIME, you're so predictable its just too easy .

Sorry Madam,this is how someone who actually knew EXACTLY what he/she PRACTICED should have gone straight to the answer! I never expected you quoting contradictions, since you weren't contradicting yourself when you were zealously PRACTICING what you called Christianity. Any intelligent audience would expect you going straight to the points!

TATIME:
Sorry Madam,this is how someone who actually knew EXACTLY what he/she PRACTICED should have gone straight to the answer! I never expected you quoting contradictions, since you weren't contradicting yourself when you were zealously PRACTICING what you called Christianity. Any intelligent audience would expect you going straight to the points!

And any intelligent audience in a debate will know that it is intellectually dishonest to trap an opponent to prove a useless point . Like I said, I purposely made the answers confusing because I knew you'd start screaming "YOU FAILED!!", which as I expected, you have . Don't play with me, I'm one step ahead of you . Those questions can easily be answered by a 5 year old, so dont flatter yourself
By the way, keep dodging my questions. I find it not only interesting but very amusing

TATIME:
I never expected you quoting contradictions, since you weren't contradicting yourself when you were zealously PRACTICING what you called Christianity.

I'm no longer a christian though. You keep setting up yourself for failure

HellVictorinho:

His God actually says a lot.
His God once said that several nations(including women and children) will perish.

KID?
This is not a discussion for small boys like you!

TATIME:
KID?
This is not a discussion for small boys like you!

Yeah,you are an elderly ignoramus.
You describe me as a kid simply because of our disagreements.
Well,you are just what people like XxSabrinaXx should avoid.
You can choose to keep getting flogged by intellectuals but you can't force all the intellectuals to keep flogging you intellectually.

HellVictorinho:

Yeah,you are an elderly ignoramus.
You describe me as a kid simply because of our disagreements.
Well,you are just what people like XxSabrinaXx should avoid.
You can choose to keep getting flogged by intellectuals but you can't force all the intellectuals to keep flogging you intellectually.

Don't mind the boy . He just made a fool of himself.

XxSabrinaxX:

And any intelligent audience in a debate will know that it is intellectually dishonest to trap an opponent to prove a useless point . Like I said, I purposely made the answers confusing because I knew you'd start screaming "YOU FAILED!!", which as I expected, you have . Don't play with me, I'm one step ahead of you
By the way, keep dodging my questions. I find it not only interesting but very amusing

Since you're not able to specify the REAL meaning of Christianity, let's just conclude that you weren't a Christian but simply a misinformed churchgoer.
So it's better you listen to the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what's written in the Bible instead of insisting on the interpretations of misinformed religious leader whose settings yielded no positive fruits. For your information Madam, most of those who turned ATHEISTS today did so due to all the atrocities committed in the name of RELIGION.
Therefore if someone is now telling you that the door you've failed to unlock has been opened, i think it's rather wiser to listen ATTENTIVELY to know the keys used!
Today true Christians are forming a global family of happy worshippers who are unitedly PRACTICING the same form of worship unlike those contradictions that you couldn't even pick one to represent what you believed BACK THEN!

TATIME:

Since you're not able to specify the REAL meaning of Christianity, let's just conclude that you weren't a Christian but simply a misinformed churchgoer.
So it's better you listen to the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what's written in the Bible instead of insisting on the interpretations of misinformed religious leader whose settings yielded no positive fruits. For your information Madam, most of those who turned ATHEISTS today did so due to all the atrocities committed in the name of RELIGION.
Therefore if someone is now telling you that the door you've failed to unlock has been opened, i think it's rather wiser to listen ATTENTIVELY to know the keys used!
Today true Christians are forming a global family of happy worshippers who are unitedly PRACTICING the same form of worship unlike those contradictions that you couldn't even pick one to represent what you believed BACK THEN!

TATIME, this obviously isn't working out for you . You can't answer just one of my single questions, you wanted to trap me just to prove I wasn't a true christian (maybe you still don't realize but you failed wholesomely lol ), and now you want to keep changing the subject....

Be honest, TATIME, why are you dodging my questions? Just say the truth

XxSabrinaxX:

Don't mind the boy . He just made a fool of himself.

Thanks for your time Ma!
I just want to make you realise the fact that there are many like you claiming Christians but unknowingly to them they're ATHEISTS in the making.
They're still coming to join you,but true Christians will continue to work what is fine amongst themselves and the whole world will soon realise that TRULY a young man was born amongst the Jews whose name is Jesus and honest hearted persons will recognise His true followers as they study what was WRITTEN in the Bible! Once again Ma i'll say thanks for your time!

XxSabrinaxX:


TATIME, this obviously isn't working out for you . You can't answer just one of my single questions, you wanted to trap me just to prove I wasn't a true christian (maybe you still don't realize but you failed wholesomely lol ), and now you want to keep changing the subject....

Be honest, TATIME, why are you dodging my questions? Just say the truth

He has zero answers.
But he still feels like playing Q&A.

HellVictorinho:

He has zero answers.
But he still feels like playing Q&A.

LMAO. Exactly

XxSabrinaxX:


TATIME, this obviously isn't working out for you . You can't answer just one of my single questions, you wanted to trap me just to prove I wasn't a true christian (maybe you still don't realize but you failed wholesomely lol ), and now you want to keep changing the subject....

Be honest, TATIME, why are you dodging my questions? Just say the truth

Your questions are based NOT on what the book teaches but on the tradition of misinformed religious people. So if we're able to ascertain what the book REALLY teach,then we can know the QUALITIES of the author!

TATIME:
Thanks for your time Ma!
I just want to make you realise the fact that there are many like you claiming Christians but unknowingly to them they're ATHEISTS in the making.
They're still coming to join you,but true Christians will continue to work what is fine amongst themselves and the whole world will soon realise that TRULY a young man was born amongst the Jews whose name is Jesus and honest hearted persons will recognise His true followers as they study what was WRITTEN in the Bible! Once again Ma i'll say thanks for your time!

"Well the truth is you are actually an Atheist, you just think that you believe in a god."
You'd have been offended if i told you that. Claiming to know what a person believes and doesn't believe is an insulting assumption that deserves to be avoided. Your claim that I was never a true christian justifies your own belief. You have to do that, otherwise it destroys your narrative of God revealing himself and rewarding those who truly have a relationship with him.
In the future, try and be more honest in your arguments
Thanks for your time too. You have no idea how you made my day

HellVictorinho:

He has zero answers.
But he still feels like playing Q&A.

It's a thing of mature minds,not kids who easily flairs up just because someone reminds them of their error!

TATIME:
Your questions are based NOT on what the book teaches but on the tradition of misinformed religious people. So if we're able to ascertain what the book REALLY teach,then we can know the QUALITIES of the author!

My God! How hard could it possibly be to admit that YOU DON'T KNOW?

XxSabrinaxX:

"Well the truth is you are actually an Atheist, you just think that you believe in a god."
You'd have been offended if i told you that. Claiming to know what a person believes and doesn't believe is an insulting assumption that deserves to be avoided. Your claim that I was never a true christian justifies your own belief. You have to do that, otherwise it destroys your narrative of God revealing himself and rewarding those who truly have a relationship with him.
In the future, try and be more honest in your arguments
Thanks for your time too. You have no idea how you made my day

Yeah,he made Q&A lively.

TATIME:
It's a thing of mature minds,not kids who easily flairs up just because someone reminds them of their error!

You err like an "old blunder".
You are errors personified.

TATIME:
It's a thing of mature minds,not kids who easily flairs up just because someone reminds them of their error!

You err like an "old blunder".

XxSabrinaxX:

"Well the truth is you are actually an Atheist, you just think that you believe in a god."
You'd have been offended if i told you that. Claiming to know what a person believes and doesn't believe is an insulting assumption that deserves to be avoided. Your claim that I was never a true christian justifies your own belief. You have to do that, otherwise it destroys your narrative of God revealing himself and rewarding those who truly have a relationship with him.
In the future, try and be more honest in your arguments
Thanks for your time too. You have no idea how you made my day

That's just what a debate simply means! We think deeply to ascertain what the other person had in mind,but since you believe i'm an atheist it's OK. I'll remember you said so while i stick to the WRITTEN documents trying to figure out what to do with it!
After all you too are sticking to some written documents that aren't penned down in your presence so in that respect i think we're even!

XxSabrinaxX:

My God! How hard could it possibly be to admit that YOU DON'T KNOW?

Haaaaaaaaaaa Madam XxSabrinaxX! It's like you're already feeling dizzy because you couldn't have typed that! "My God"

TATIME:
That's just what a debate simply means! We think deeply to ascertain what the other person had in mind,but since you believe i'm an atheist it's OK. I'll remember you said so while i stick to the WRITTEN documents trying to figure out what to do with it!
After all you too are sticking to some written documents that aren't penned down in your presence so in that respect i think we're even!

The difference between the two documents though? One has empirical, verifiable evidence.
Please, if you're going to keep coming up with excuses to avoid my questions, I'd kindly advise to drop the discussion . You've exposed yourself as an intellectually dishonest christian who can't defend questions about his religion so he has to resort to trying to trap his opponent so that it seems like he wins even when he hasn't addressed the question. You're a scam, TATIME

OK,that's it.
This game is getting boring.
This so-called elder keeps recycling crap for no good reason.
The intellectuals here have to find a way to make this game more interesting.
Let Q&A remain an exciting game.
Amateur players should be monitored as regards their moves.

XxSabrinaxX:

The difference between the two documents though? One has empirical, verifiable evidence.
Please, if you're going to keep coming up with excuses to avoid my questions, I'd kindly advise to drop the discussion . You've exposed yourself as an intellectually dishonest christian who can't defend questions about his religion so he has to resort to trying to trap his opponent so that it seems like he wins even when he hasn't addressed the question. You're a scam, TATIME

NO problem Ma, we've heard that millions of times!

TATIME:
Haaaaaaaaaaa Madam XxSabrinaxX! It's like you're already feeling dizzy because you couldn't have typed that! "My God"

Does one need to be a christian to use certain expressions? You're up to no good with that line of reasoning, TATIME . I often call Ogun when I'm conversing with my friends; does that make me an Ogun worshipper? Lol, now you're just reaching . Just give up, TATIME.

HellVictorinho:
OK,that's it.
This game is getting boring.
This so-called elder keeps recycling crap for no good reason.
The intellectuals here have to find a way to make this game more interesting.
Let Q&A remain an exciting game.
Amateur players should be monitored as regards their moves.

TATIME is trying so hard to avoid my questions so I'm just playing along lmao . When he stops, i'll stop. For now, his chicken behaviour is sincerely amusing

XxSabrinaxX:

Does one need to be a christian to use certain expressions? You're up to no good with that line of reasoning, TATIME . I often call Ogun when I'm conversing with my friends; does that make me an Ogun worshipper? Lol, now you're just reaching . Just give up, TATIME.

Your definition of God was what i keep meditating on before you later said "My God".
Now if Ogun is your God i assumed he is OMNI everything, right?

TATIME:
Your definition of God was what i keep meditating on before you later said "My God".
Now if Ogun is your God i assumed he is OMNI everything, right?

Yes. EVERY GOD IS OMNI.
Edit: TATIME, in as much as your tireless dodging of my questions amuse me, I have to go. I have sincere christians to go and argue with. If you want to continue the discussion, when you finally have something , I have already posted the link of the thread to you. Sayanora, dumbass .

XxSabrinaxX:

TATIME is trying so hard to avoid my questions so I'm just playing along lmao . When he stops, i'll stop. For now, his chicken behaviour is sincerely amusing

I'm no more responding because of you again, i'm just trying to let that kid HellVictorinho realise that when WISDOM speaks no intellectual can EASILY walk away!