^^ Eldee think say na only him dey watch La Liga cos "DSTV dont cover the best league in the world"

Chei my eye!

ritchboy:

Hehehe, has voting for "moronic comment of the year" closed cos this is a beauty


Eldee has gone from gentleman - douchebag in 60 seconds. . .

Whatever man, I said Nigerians don't watch the La Liga . . . big deal, you're the one that said Arsenal and Real Madrid are 49-51.
Infact you're o good at this, you should be a Super Sport Analyst.

debosky:

I asked you a simple question Mr La Liga expert - is Villareal's defence 'one of the best defences in Europe' because they've conceded just a goal more than Real?

Is Villareal's defence as good?? do they have the best right back in the league and the best centre back added to Carvalho??
It's a Nairaland thing to throw numbers at everything, and you start complaining when Dayokanu comes here to call Arsene a crappy coach using number of UCL trophies as a yardstick.

debosky:

High defensive line had nothing to do with Villa despoiling Ramos, nor with Pedro sneaking behind a clueless Marcelo? Was a high line responsible for Pepe and Carvalho forgetting where Xavi was in the box?

Abeg stop bringing excuses that don't count.

Of course the highline is the main reason for the first goal, 'that's the only reason your centre back will be near enough to the midfielders to think he can attempt to cut off the passes.
And Villa getting the ball past Ramos isn't a crime, the real crime was Casillas' being beat from a narrow angle, same thing we accused Almunia of this season.
3rd goal . . . highline, offside goal. . . FACT.
4th goal . . . Halfway line highline, I can't apologise for Messi's dribbles, Villa gaining momentum, good thru pass. . . all started from the highline.
5th goal . . . Highline again, Bojan's pace, Ramos outnumbered . . . no chance.

If you can come here and tell me the defensive highline wasn't a big part of that defeat (after The Trinity's brilliance) then I'll have to question your knowledge of football.

debosky:

Mr La Liga expert, answer my Villareal question first.

5 clean sheets against Ajax who scored only three goals all competition, and a poor Auxerre and struggling Milan - what an achievement. 

Utd (who played many games without their main defenders) only conceded once throughout the group stages - I guess we can now call their defence is 'one of the best in Europe' despite conceding only two goals less than the supposedly 'rubbish' Arsenal defence in the EPL?

Stop being a Dayokanu, Ajax only score three all competition?? They were in the same group with Real and Milan.
You brought in the UCL, I pointed out that the conceded just two goals in what's easily the toughest group in the UCL, and you're here bringing in irrelevant talk . . . abeg comot for hia jare.

Don't evade the homework I gave you, you said Ramos is crap, name one rightback in the Premiership that's as good.
Oh, you already said Sagna is. . . my bad. 

slimshay:

Heheheh Richie no mind Eldee jare, I think he is head over heels for Maureen. She is very comely, see?. . .*grin*

Eldee I come in peace oh, before you cancel the HItv subscription wey I dey manage. . .DSTV, lmao.

Isn't it hilarious . . . I've brought out facts that anyone that can sit through 90 minutes should know and all my fellow gooners have done is take personal shots and hold on to the trivialities.
The only person that's even brought out an attempt at a rebuttal is Debosky, I guess I'll have to give him credit for that.

I expect you guys to tear my argument apart and take me down, all I'm seeing is one person talking about how Eldee is an undercover Madridista and the others arguing about the important fact that DSTV is Africa's best TV network.
And then you'll come out to diss Dayomuller for doing the same thing.

@eldee why you dey take am P nah.

No.1 which such a huge slant in the finances of the laliga I will hold my argument of best league. In terms of what you'd term good football, yeah.

2. Ramos can be the best left back in their league but defensively yes Sagna is better.

3. What exactly is the debate with the highline or no highline. We played the highline over 2 games but I can boldly say we didn't look as clueless as Maureen.

4. If the argument is whether we have a chance to beat them, a lot worse was said about our chances against Zizou et al. Didn't stop zidane getting frustrated and stamping on Eboue though.

So please what exactly is the argument. Na you bring DSTV oh, we were quietly watching our HITV jejely without complaining oh.

*correction right back for Ramos jare, before you take am P-Square.

eldee:

Is Villareal's defence as good?? do they have the best right back in the league and the best centre back added to Carvalho??
It's a Nairaland thing to throw numbers at everything, and you start complaining when Dayokanu comes here to call Arsene a crappy coach using number of UCL trophies as a yardstick.

How many sides of your mouth will you talk from? You brought 5 clean sheets here as evidence of the quality of their defence, but goals conceded is not??

What is the ultimate measure of quality of a defence??

Like I said, your opinions are emotional - so called 'best this best that' is poppycock - the pudding is in the eating. On the basis of the goals conceded - the most reliable stats for ANY defence, Villareal's defence must be as good as Real's with just one more goal conceded simple.

Of course the highline is the main reason for the first goal, 'that's the only reason your centre back will be near enough to the midfielders to think he can attempt to cut off the passes.
And Villa getting the ball past Ramos isn't a crime, the real crime was Casillas' being beat from a narrow angle, same thing we accused Almunia of this season.

If you can come here and tell me the defensive highline wasn't a big part of that defeat (after The Trinity's brilliance) then I'll have to question your knowledge of football.

I've shown you cases where the individual player errors of your so called 'best defence' caused goals - this isn't [i]all [/i]about a high line. That is why I restricted my examples to the calamitous individual errors that caused goals.

Stop being a Dayokanu, Ajax only score three all competition?? They were in the same group with Real and Milan.
You brought in the UCL, I pointed out that the conceded just two goals in what's easily the toughest group in the UCL, and you're here bringing in irrelevant talk . . . abeg comot for hia jare.

Irrelevant talk? You're here saying I should accept 'Carvalho' as the best defender, but shouldn't look at the goals they've conceded?

Mr La Liga admit that Real's 'great' defence is largely in your imagination - Villareal are just as good in La Liga, SIMPLE. If we accept their UCL quality as evidence, then we must accept Utd's too, despite playing Evans and co in some of their games. Evans must be world class too.

Don't evade the homework I gave you, you said Ramos is crap, name one rightback in the Premiership that's as good.
Oh, you already said Sagna is. . . my bad. 

Based on defensive performances (i.e. goals conceded by their defence) he's no better than Paulo Ferreira.

eldee,

You should know that IQ is in short supply on the Arsenal fan forum

slimshay:

2. Ramos can be the best left back in their league but defensively yes Sagna is better.

There are only two reasons anyone will make this statement, either you don't watch him or you don't know football, but I respect you a lot, so I'll go with the fact that you don't watch him play.

slimshay:

3. What exactly is the debate with the highline or no highline. We played the highline over 2 games but I can boldly say we didn't look as clueless as Maureen

My argument is, if there's anyone that knows how to beat Barca, it's Mourinho . . . but he couldn't or didn't use the tactics he used with Inter and Chelsea, why?? It's the El Classico. . . now does the fact that we only lost 4-1 make us on the same level with Madrid?? Nope, does it change the fact that our defensive tactics made both of us look shitty?? And made Chelsea, United and even Hercules look like a better defence??

slimshay:

4. If the argument is whether we have a chance to beat them, a lot worse was said about our chances against Zizou et al. Didn't stop zidane getting frustrated and stamping on Eboue though.

As I said, I don't have a crystal ball, I'm not predicting anything . . . I'm talking probabilities, their chance are way higher than half, and saying otherwise is just delusion.

slimshay:

So please what exactly is the argument. Na you bring DSTV oh, we were quietly watching our HITV jejely without complaining oh.

Okay, it's not hard to interpret, the statement was just me saying what you guys have said just proves that you don't watch the La Liga. You know I speak fluent pub gist, but when it overshadows logic then it gets irritating.

please uefa.

El even if i agree with you in most part of your assertions(most being that RM stands a better chance of beating us over 2 legs),Ramos is not the best RB in the world.If the primary job of a RB is to defend,i dare say Sagna is a BETTER defender.

Like i said,let's wait till the draws are done before we start dissecting who our opponents will be,personally though,i pray for Schalke.

kay_pumpin:

El even if i agree with you in most part of your assertions(most being that RM stands a better chance of beating us over 2 legs),Ramos is not the best RB in the world.If the primary job of a RB is to defend,i dare say Sagna is a BETTER defender.

Like i said,let's wait till the draws are done before we start dissecting who our opponents will be,personally though,i pray for Schalke.

or bayern.

I no fit shout.

Hehehe, Mr La Liga reckons Ramos is better than Sagna defensively

Next thing Marcelo is better than Cashley defensively and Casillas is better than Rooney offensively

Back to Arsenal matters. . . .the results of today mean that we can 'afford' to lose tomorrow's game and still be second, albeit only on GD.

That said, my minimum personal expectation would be for a draw. . . .the current defensive state of things don't fill me with much confidence.

If AW decides to play RVP for the start, that might also disrupt the flow of the side. . . .I would personally bench him and only bring him on in the second half.

If Fab4 is not fit and Wenger does the right thing and plays RVP from the bench, the team virtually picks itself, bar the debate over Koko/JD.

Arshavin Chamakh Nasri

Wilshere Song Rozzi

Clichy JD SS Sagna

        Fabianski

Dunno what the boss is going to do, he might play the ineffective side we saw at the Emirates, or keep Denilson in the team to keep possession ticking over in the absence of Cesc.

Needless to say, the big games are coming thick and fast now - time for the big players to step up.

debosky:

How many sides of your mouth will you talk from? You brought 5 clean sheets here as evidence of the quality of their defence, but goals conceded is not??  

What is the ultimate measure of quality of a defence??

Like I said, your opinions are emotional - so called 'best this best that' is poppycock - the pudding is in the eating. On the basis of the goals conceded - the most reliable stats for ANY defence, Villareal's defence must be as good as Real's with just one more goal conceded simple.

Using your logic, Real Madrid had the best defence in the League before the El Classico, I'm cool with that.

Aiite . . .let's make this simple, who in your opinion is the best CB and RB in the La Liga. You claim that you follow it 'religiously', you should know.

debosky:

I've shown you cases where the individual player errors of your so called 'best defence' caused goals - this isn't [i]all [/i]about a high line. That is why I restricted my examples to the calamitous individual errors that caused goals.

At least you didn't embarrass yourself here.

Aiite . . . still on that keeping it short thing . . . after reading my opinion on the main causes of the goals, would you agree that the highline is the main reason Real lost 5-0??

debosky:

Mr La Liga admit that Real's 'great' defence is largely in your imagination - Villareal are just as good in La Liga, SIMPLE. If we accept their UCL quality as evidence, then we must accept Utd's too, despite playing Evans and co in some of their games. Evans must be world class too.

Based on defensive performances (i.e. goals conceded by their defence) he's no better than Paulo Ferreira.  

Hehehe . . . let's put it like this, Man Utd would not have kept cleansheets in the UCL if they were left in a group of Ajax, Milan and Auxerre, it's that simple.

Hmmn . . . I never asked who scored more or who dribbled, I asked a simple question what RB in our league is as good.

Ok. Pls can we just stop this argument? I fink y'all arguers have deviated from the primary objective of this thread. Defense this,right back that. Enough abeg.
Lets talk about who should start btw:

Chamack n RVP

Rosicky n walcott

Denny n wilshere

Kos n Djourou

Ahead of tomoro's game.

I would like to see all of rvp,walcott come as subs. But that largely depends on what manure comes wit

eldee:

Using your logic, Real Madrid had the best defence in the League before the El Classico, I'm cool with that.

Yep I agree, but now, they are only slightly better than Villareal.

Aiite . . .let's make this simple, who in your opinion is the best CB and RB in the La Liga. You claim that you follow it 'religiously', you should know.

Firstly, there will never be universal agreement about who the 'best' is. . . .that said, I'll give my opinion - that is what this is really about.

The best CB for me would be Puyol, despite his age, his reading of the game, his energy, drive and inspiration are peerless.

The RB position is debatable, but I'll go for a 'non-hyped' player - Andoni Iraola from Bilbao, especially for his attacking prowess, consistency and temperament

I don't have issues with Ramoni , I just think he's too hotheaded and needs to get more consistent. Besides, I don't really like dual role players.

Aiite . . . still on that keeping it short thing . . . after reading my opinion on the main causes of the goals, would you agree that the highline is the main reason Real lost 5-0??

Semantics - you use 'the main reason', I'd prefer 'a major cause' of the deafeat.

JM got his tactics wrong overall, not just defensively - his attacking style failed as well.

Hehehe . . . let's put it like this, Man Utd would not have kept cleansheets in the UCL if they were left in a group of Ajax, Milan and Auxerre, it's that simple.

Moving goalposts eh? Ok let's put it this way. . . Real wouldn't keep clean sheets with Evans and O'Shea in their defence.

Hmmn . . . I never asked who scored more or who dribbled, I asked a simple question what RB in our league is as good.

I said Paulo Ferreira.

kay_pumpin:

El even if i agree with you in most part of your assertions(most being that RM stands a better chance of beating us over 2 legs),Ramos is not the best RB in the world.If the primary job of a RB is to defend,i dare say Sagna is a BETTER defender.

Like i said,let's wait till the draws are done before we start dissecting who our opponents will be,personally though,i pray for Schalke.

Minor error . . the difference between the average full back and a good full back is the attacking. . . as long as your defending isn't wack. Go check it anywhere.
Bring a list of highly rated full backs of the past couple of years . . . they're all more acclaimed for their attacking input. You'll never be a highly rated fullback if your attacking isn't excellent.
As usual, I expect a backlash for this statement . . . but I know that people that can think for themselves without the B.S ideologies know I'm telling basic truth.

That said, I think it's not sinking in here . . .Ramos is an League standard central defender,  as in, he does it properly.

ritchboy:

Hehehe, Mr La Liga reckons Ramos is better than Sagna defensively

Next thing Marcelo is better than Cashley defensively and Casillas is better than Rooney offensively

Pub gist.

I say bring in RVP and Walcott as subs. Start Wilshere with Rosicky playing wide. JD in place of Kos, abeg. Formation should be a 4-3-3 in the first half, to be changed to 4-4-2 when VP comes, with Arshavin removed for Walcott, and with NaS moving to the left wing, while Theo takes the right.

Sorry, meant to say Rosicky playing central.

wouldnt it be a joy to watch Nas n Rosicky on at the same time? unfortunately,thats largely unlikely. I also think Walcott shoulsnt start. Evra will feel so confident if walcot is the man he is up against. Hopefully,arshavin will rise up tomoro. As nas said,this manu squad is not to be feared at all

Wordsmith:

I say bring in RVP and Walcott as subs. Start Wilshere with Rosicky playing wide. JD in place of Kos, abeg. Formation should be a 4-3-3 in the first half, to be changed to 4-4-2 when VP comes, with Arshavin removed for Walcott, and with NaS moving to the left wing, while Theo takes the right.

Nawao, you don play the match finish even make substitutions, lol

I don't think Wilshere wide will be a good idea simply because he is not fast enough and that would put too much pressure on the full back.

dipo2much:

wouldnt it be a joy to watch Nas n Rosicky on at the same time? unfortunately,thats largely unlikely. I also think Walcott shoulsnt start. Evra will feel so confident if walcot is the man he is up against. Hopefully,arshavin will rise up tomoro. As nas said,this manu squad is not to be feared at all

I'm almost sure we will definitely see Nasri and Rosicky in the first 11 tomorow. With Cesc absent, we will most likely start with Song, Wilshere/Denilson, Rosicky, Nasri, Arshavin and Chamakh.

Ild love to see DJ20 too but AW will most likely play Kos and Squillachi as the two CBs

@Gunners
I'm not a Madrid fan abeg, I just enjoy watching the La Liga.
The fact that every team comes out to play without aiming to end Messi's career is my main attraction and watching Barca is just me reminding myself that Wenger is not living a pipe dream.

If you guys want a La Liga name for me, look no futher than El Messiesta.

@debo

Dude . . . I'm tired abeg.
Dunno how you guys do it, yourself and Dudu that is.

After seeing another Ronaldo freekick today, if we get Madrid, I'll be willing to put a wager on em.

After seeing another Ronaldo freekick today, if we get Madrid, I'll be willing to put a wager on em

How was the free kick? DSTV no show the match

eldee:

@Gunners
I'm not a Madrid fan abeg, I just enjoy watching the La Liga.
The fact that every team comes out to play without aiming to end Messi's career is my main attraction and watching Barca is just me reminding myself that Wenger is not living a pipe dream.

Those two sentences actually cancel each other out. Wenger is truly living a pipe dream as long as he is coaching an EPL club.
I can bet that if Stoke, Blackburn and former Bolton under Big Sam played in the La Liga, Barca would have changed tactics by now, lool

DSTV showed the match,on ESPN. I saw it live. Ronaldo's freekick was normal jare. Power n good shot technique. Lass Diara was a BEAST in that game. Mourinho just dey bone face like say life don tire am. Dude didnt smile at all.

Hell's Kitchen and slim na serious devil's advocates

No offence, but it'd be a different ball-game if Messi played in the EPL. Good thing La Liga doesn't have them Shawcrosses.

dipo2much:

DSTV showed the match,on ESPN. I saw it live. Ronaldo's freekick was normal jare. Power n good shot technique. Lass Diara was a BEAST in that game. Mourinho just dey bone face like say life don tire am. Dude didnt smile at all.

Since Pep showed his team how to play football, te guy don mellow

proudly9ja:

Since Pep showed his team how to play football, te guy don mellow

Hehe . . . you obviously missed the cat and dog press conference.

dipo2much:

DSTV showed the match,on ESPN. I saw it live. Ronaldo's freekick was normal jare. Power n good shot technique. Lass Diara was a BEAST in that game. Mourinho just dey bone face like say life don tire am. Dude didnt smile at all.

It's not that the free-kick was good, it's just that one minute, Zaragoza was the better team, next minute Ronaldo's freekick.
As for Mourinho, you go fear manager injury na.

El,you gat mail

For all the noise some of u make here u dont know ur footie at all, when a Debosky talks I reckon he at least has an idea and can pretend in denial not to know, but when some of u argue the obvious I doubt u will ever know!

Eldee is right . . .DSTV is the best in Africa, if u can vouch for any other, yap out now or shut up !

Sergio Ramos being compared to Sagna ? are these people okay at all ?

La Liga's El Classico would attract more coverage than any of EPL's super duper matches now, is that in doubt ? where I tend to differ with y'all is that u all get carried away with the present . . .

A few of u foolishly and stupidly adore Messi as if he invented footie like Debosky invented grammar . . .what rubbish! we all saw how Cambiasso owned him just last UCL semis, what gives ?

was the same Messi able to score a world cup goal ? abegiiiiiiiiiii! make we hear word . . .we all have a way of overhyping players only to realize a liitle late that when they are in form they are just living out the form, once they dont have it, we forget they ever existed !

where is RONALDINHO today ? no where to be found, and he is hardly 30, or is he gone past? I remember here on NL some people were ready to change their surname to Ronaldinho to honour him, but today they wouldnt even watch him play except they got trapped into watching him play . . .rubbbish!

Mourinho is bigger than Pepsi, who be Pepsi sef ? wetin hin achieve wey surpass hin masters ? . . .he has shown his mettle at Porto, Chelsea, Inter and he WOULD show it at Madrid . . .if we meet him and win him, FINE, if we dont, THE HEAVENS WILL NOT FALL . . .no be 2day hin don dey win us!!!

I marvel when Arsenal fans feel they can forever mask as Barca fans yet say rubbish here as Arsenal fans . . .choose whom u love and support them to the core! I hate BARCA and I have never shown any less disdain for them, I like Madrid and its NATURAL . . . .

When Arsenal gets pitted against Barca, all we will see here is gloom and doom, what rubbish ? We should be prepared to boot out the best or get booted out ourselves, no point staying long in competitions (Semis) at the end of the stage u dont win nada, rather u get booted out in all tourneys in a week . . .this must not happen!