salamudeen:
Abeg compare the Size of Iran with the size of USA...


Tell this to either Russia or China Please...

Just like saying Lagos state threatening a local Government in Bayelsa


Why would such be coming out from a president? this one is just a business man not a president @ all

Some Ignorantis that doesnt know the aftermath of war would come out and start saying trash....

One thing i realised here is 90% percent of the people who would be happy about the news would be mainly Christians and Igbos here in Nigeria...


FYI.... Am not bashing anybody am just saying my mind if e pain you this is a faceless forum dont be offended

No one is offended. On the contrary one cant help but feel sorry for you. The only ignorantis here is you. No knowledge of anything just the usual ignorant rants

oz4real83:
At the end of the day,everybody loses after the war. Only those who have not experienced ''real war'' advocate war as solution to every issue.

Make dem go ask danerys, cersei, unsulid army, baratheon and co.
No one truly wins a war...

dermmy:
War is not the solution to everything. Honestly the United Nations has failed. I think the reason united nations was created is to bring countries together so that they can settle their difference in a pacific way through diplomacy but the way powerful countries flex muscle against weaker ones won't help. US pulled out of a deal that major world powers initiated and wants the other party to continue its commitment to the deal, now you want to force her to come to the negotiating table isn't that funny? US has no right to unilaterally walk out of the deal this is a multilateral world for God sake. US should not make herself the emperor of this world anything regarding world peace and security should be resloved in the UN. I support a multilateral world order.

Seeing there has not been any World wars since (1945) world war II (a primary reason for the formation of the UN), In that sense, it'll be unfair to say that the UN has "Failed".

Avoiding international skirmishes between/amongst various countries is almost Impossible— it's like preventing Senior secondary students in Government schools from engaging in fights.

I agree totally with your take on the UN's role BUT the fact that we (the world) and the UN have been able to avert (until now) any major World-war scale violence is no mean feat. the UN would spread itself too thin if it keeps chasing any/every potentially violent situation around the world.

tescoman90:


Please can you share the kind of media you listen too?

Any resources I lay my hands on, I read, I have read a lot about the Lebanon and isreali crisis, and they all point to one thing, Israel's inability to curtain a small group, now the group has grown so large.

If you have opposite view, state it.

You are a complete olodo walahi...the major forces in the middle East(all together) haven't been able to defeat Israel let alone the United States...and if you're speaking of the middle East always remember that Israel is the key player in that region (turkey just get manpower) they don't have the technology to conquer Israel and they do not have nuclear weapons (not even capable) but Israel does, in thousands actually and Israel is a major major ally to the United States....so when u say the whole of middle East please think it twice...

Efewestern:


They did, Isreal goofed in that battle, 30000 soldiers couldn't get 2000 men to surrender, what level of incompetency is that. Hezbollah achieved all their objectives, did Israel achieved theirs?

You just want to deny the obvious fact, probably because of religious sentiments.

How did hizbollah achieve their objective? What was their objective?
Ignorant much

War with Iran would be as illegal as it is idiotic
theweek.com May 16, 2019 10:45 AM

Hmm, I Just read this now! It's very disappointing to know that some folks are even praying for War between these two countries on this forum. At the end, innocent people which includes soldiers and civilians targets from both sides including possible casualties in Israel, Saudi Arabia etc will just die for nothing..

President Trump.
Illustrated | FilmColoratStudio/iStock, Miodrag Kitanovic/iStock, REUTERS/Carlos Barria
The Trump administration is seemingly gearing up for a war on Iran. First President Trump unilaterally reneged on the nuclear deal with that country — despite the fact that Iran was holding to its side of the bargain, and indeed has continued to do so despite the American betrayal. Now the Trump regime is ratcheting up tensions some more, in what is pretty clearly a ham-fisted attempt to gin up casus belli for invasion.

The New York Times reports that administration officials, led by national security adviser and slavering warmonger John Bolton — have drawn up plans to deploy a force of 120,000 troops "should Iran attack American forces or accelerate work on nuclear weapons[.]" That comes on the heels of the U.S. sending a carrier strike group and long-range bombers to the area in early May, and the administration blaming recent minor attacks on Saudi tankers and other oil infrastructure on Iran without any evidence. One anonymous official confirmed to the Times that the "ultimate goal of the yearlong economic sanctions campaign ... was to draw Iran into an armed conflict with the U.S."


War with Iran is a monstrous and illegal idea, which could very well turn out disastrously for the U.S. itself. Trump cannot be allowed to start another war of aggression.

The important context here is that France, the U.K., Germany, China, and the European Union itself are still party to the nuclear deal with Iran. Since Trump's abrogation of the deal and re-imposition of sanctions was utterly unjustified, Iran wants the remaining partners to hold up their end of the deal and find a way around U.S. sanctions. If they don't, the Iranian government is threatening (with perfect justice) to break the deal and start holding on to its enriched uranium.


How might this work? As Henry Farrell and Abraham Newman write, the major vector of sanctions against Iran happen through the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT), a Belgian cooperative that facilitates most international bank transactions. SWIFT is located in Europe, but because most such transactions are denominated in dollars, the U.S. has enormous leverage over it. Cutting Iran out of the system, as happened in 2012, badly damaged the Iranian banking system and economy.

However, that round of sanctions happened with the agreement of Europe. By contrast, the E.U. legally forbade European countries from complying with Trump's new sanctions. The law had no teeth and SWIFT complied with Trump, but the E.U. has since developed a "Special Purpose Vehicle" which allows for transactions between Iran and Europe. So far it has only been used for humanitarian trade, but it could easily be used for normal trade as well. Indeed, it could well be the first step in Europe (perhaps along with China) developing an alternative financial infrastructure which would break U.S. control over international transactions. So all this belligerent aggression may well break the sanctions infrastructure Trump loves so much (though that would probably be a good thing at this point, to be fair).

More importantly, launching an unprovoked invasion of Iran would be illegal. Wars of aggression are categorically forbidden under the U.N. Charter, which was duly passed by the Senate and is thus constitutionally binding. There is not even any enabling legislation as there was with Iraq in 2002.

America also has zero significant international support. On the contrary, a top U.K. general said he saw no increased risk from Iran or its proxies, and Spain pulled its frigate out of the carrier strike group headed to Iran in protest. On balance, Iran is acting with remarkable restraint given blatant U.S. provocation, backstabbing, and bullying.

It's also worth noting, once again, that Iran has a far more formidable military than Saddam Hussein's rattletrap battalions in 2003. As former U.S. Army General John Abazaid has said, Iranian forces are the strongest in the Middle East outside of Israel. It also has more than twice the population and nearly four times the landmass of Iraq, with much more rugged terrain — allowing for more effective guerrilla tactics, as American forces have learned at great cost in Afghanistan.

Indeed, the Pentagon itself conducted war games simulating a conflict with Iran in 2002. The "Iranian" commander, General Paul K. Van Riper, noting American dominance of electronic communications, used motorcycle couriers to transmit messages and lights to land planes without radio. When U.S. naval forces arrived with a surrender ultimatum, Riper launched a surprise mass missile attack that sank a carrier and 15 other ships — causing 20,000 virtual casualties in minutes. Then he launched a swarm attack of small boats, and sank several more ships.

Naturally, the top brass responded by restarting the exercise and granting cheat codes to the "American" side so they could not lose. Riper quit in the middle of the exercise, and later commented that "it simply became a scripted exercise. They had a predetermined end, and they scripted the exercise to that end."

Now, Iran might well fold easily in the face of a U.S. assault. But their force structure closely resembles the Riper model, largely based around asymmetric combat. Their navy has few conventional ships, but swarms of small, heavily-armed fast attack boats, mines, mini-submarines, and disguised civilian ships. U.S. ships would no doubt be able to pick off many of them, but it would only take a few lucky torpedo hits to sink even the largest vessels.

The American military clearly has a bad case of imperial arrogance. Americans in general have become used to easily steamrolling conventional forces, and only suffering relatively few combat deaths even in counterinsurgency wars. But if Iran were to sink just the carrier flagship in the strike group, over 6,000 sailors and airmen could be killed. That's nearly a quarter more U.S. military personnel than have died in the entire Iraq War — and it could easily be far, far worse. Many times that number might die in a prolonged war and occupation — not to mention the untold thousands of innocent Iranians who would die for no reason at all. Only a blustering, bloodthirsty idiot like John Bolton could dismiss such a risk.

If the United States weren't so powerful it would be seen for what it is — a rogue state and a threat to international peace. But at least we Americans can try to stop a horrifying disaster before it starts.

dermmy:

Brilliant analysis.

Iran that couldn't even defeat shithole iraqistan

salamudeen:
Abeg compare the Size of Iran with the size of USA...


Tell this to either Russia or China Please...

Just like saying Lagos state threatening a local Government in Bayelsa


Why would such be coming out from a president? this one is just a business man not a president @ all

Some Ignorantis that doesnt know the aftermath of war would come out and start saying trash....

One thing i realised here is 90% percent of the people who would be happy about the news would be mainly Christians and Igbos here in Nigeria...


FYI.... Am not bashing anybody am just saying my mind if e pain you this is a faceless forum dont be offended

Ur'e a basta.rd by calling christians here.

CaptainMarvel:

Yes, Iran has more than enough money and skills for Russian weapons.
in times of war, NATO sanctions means Nothing

Iran is not like the old Persia, this same Iran was threatened by Saddam, a couple of decades ago,they are not that strong as you think, they are stretched at their current level of technological advancements, aided by the Russians, but heavy weaponries from Western countries comes with heavy prices and trade/economic agreement and concessions...they have some resources yes, but you need machines, experts and other materials...Iran's war machines and level of advancement is obsolete compared to US...only Russia comes close.

People who know whats up and the truth knows that all these attacks are being staged by America in a bid to look for a reason to attack Iran... This is what is called a FALSE FLAG OPERATION... i believe even explorers knows this

salamudeen:
Abeg compare the Size of Iran with the size of USA...


Tell this to either Russia or China Please...

Just like saying Lagos state threatening a local Government in Bayelsa


Why would such be coming out from a president? this one is just a business man not a president @ all

Some Ignorantis that doesnt know the aftermath of war would come out and start saying trash....

One thing i realised here is 90% percent of the people who would be happy about the news would be mainly Christians and Igbos here in Nigeria...


FYI.... Am not bashing anybody am just saying my mind if e pain you this is a faceless forum dont be offended

Ur'e a basta.rd by calling christians here. Stup.id element

EbukaHades10:
Who is Trump?

Who no know Trump?
Trump is an American comedian!

RTSC:

When America destroyed Saddam Hussein and his Iraq, it was the greater power of the region.
In fact, Iraq was planning to invade Iran after already invading kuwait. That was how powerful they were .

It was because America destroyed Iraq that created the vacuum for Iran to rise.

America would destroy them as well at very little cost.
America have superiority in the air and sea. Iran would lose every asset-asset contest.
They are not Russia.

The only people that would suffer is the middle east as usual.
Americans would be fine, thousands of mile away.

Iraq was not stronger than Iran then, Iraq only thought of Invading Iran because of his allies and the upcoming sanctions eating Iran up, so Saddam Hussein thought that would be a perfect time to strike.

Even after he started the war, he couldn't move deep into Iran before Iran chanced him out, and Iraq was now on a defensive battle instead of Offensive. Iraq can't be stronger than Iran then, if Iran had gotten the level of supports Iraq got, they would have captured the entire Iraq.

America will destroy Iran, no doubt, but the issue is that you feel it will cost US nothing, which is not true, Iran unlike Iraq has been preparing for foreign invasion since after their relationship went sour with US, so they invested a lot in defense, Iraq never thought his so called allies would invade him, so two different scenarios.

Ifesinachi22:


Even if Iran military is made of iron and Robots, can they challenge the US?

Even that North Korean kid dare not

To me, ordinary China pass US. No be by Bragging

RTSC:

When America destroyed Saddam Hussein and his Iraq, it was the greater power of the region.
In fact, Iraq was planning to invade Iran after already invading kuwait. That was how powerful they were .

It was because America destroyed Iraq that created the vacuum for Iran to rise.

America would destroy them as well at very little cost.
America have superiority in the air and sea. Iran would lose every asset-asset contest.
They are not Russia.

The only people that would suffer is the middle east as usual.
Americans would be fine, thousands of mile away.

So true Iraq was far stronger than Iran, yet Iraq crumbled .

America is too big for Iran.

They should allow Israel hnel Iran.

distributeinc:

Iran is not like the old Persia, this same Iran was threatened by Saddam, a couple of decades ago,they are not that strong as you think, they are stretched at their current level of technological advancements, aided by the Russians, but heavy weaponries from Western countries comes with heavy prices and trade/economic agreement and concessions...they have some resources yes, but you need machines, experts and other materials...Iran's war machines and level of advancement is obsolete compared to US...only Russia comes close.

I don't agree with your postulations. But nevertheless there's isn't going to be a war. there's too much at stake for both countries and the world at large.
thank you

Efewestern:




You are probable ignorant about international politics, or should I say you know nothing about the Persians. No doubts Iran can't even dare confront the US unprovoked, that will be their end, but US will find it extremely difficult to defeat Iran in their soil, due to terrain, how determined the Persians are, allies in the region, etc.

Wars are not only won due to Sophisticated weapons, if not Isreal wouldn't have been defeated by rag tag Hezbollah militias, US wouldn't have been defeated by ill equipped Vietnam military, Saudi Arabia would have for a long time won the crisis in Yemen, etc.

Iran is threading with care, and they know they don't match the US, but if US dare attack her, they will fight US with all they have, The Persians fought Iraq will little international support even when Saddam Hussein was being supported by the entire western world, Iran back then had few weapons and depended largely on Foreign countries for military hardwares, yet they were able to push Iraq out of Iran and fought like never before, in fact they changed the objective of the war and was about encroaching Iraq. Iran fought to keep its sovereignty with tooth and nail even when Iraq was using chemical weapons on them.

Now fast forward to 2019, Iran has so many affiliated militias in Lebanon (Hezbollah, strongest in the world, that even the almighty Isreal would think twice before stealing Lebanese land), Houthi Shia groups (Yemen militias kicking Saudi ass in Yemen), Syria military (If not for Iran, The rebels would have defeated Bashar al-Assad), Iraq (Iraq is now an ally of Iran). That's not all, Iran has a homegrown military industry, they produce their own rockets, guns, submarines, aircraft (thou inferior), sophisticated missiles, etc, now tell me how you intend defeating a country such as this with ease? or you think Iran is Libya?

US knows this and they know invading Iran unprovoked will end their influence in the region, this war won't only end in Iran, it will affect all Middle East countries including Saudi Arabia and Isreal, Just an order from Iran and see how Hezbollah unleash their madness.

US is powerful, but wars are not always won by that. a war with Iran isnt what we should be praying for, as millions will perish. God heal the Middle East.

its time to take ur panadol extra. It will help u better

Efewestern:




You are probable ignorant about international politics, or should I say you know nothing about the Persians. No doubts Iran can't even dare confront the US unprovoked, that will be their end, but US will find it extremely difficult to defeat Iran in their soil, due to terrain, how determined the Persians are, allies in the region, etc.

Wars are not only won due to Sophisticated weapons, if not Isreal wouldn't have been defeated by rag tag Hezbollah militias, US wouldn't have been defeated by ill equipped Vietnam military, Saudi Arabia would have for a long time won the crisis in Yemen, etc.

Iran is threading with care, and they know they don't match the US, but if US dare attack her, they will fight US with all they have, The Persians fought Iraq will little international support even when Saddam Hussein was being supported by the entire western world, Iran back then had few weapons and depended largely on Foreign countries for military hardwares, yet they were able to push Iraq out of Iran and fought like never before, in fact they changed the objective of the war and was about encroaching Iraq. Iran fought to keep its sovereignty with tooth and nail even when Iraq was using chemical weapons on them.

Now fast forward to 2019, Iran has so many affiliated militias in Lebanon (Hezbollah, strongest in the world, that even the almighty Isreal would think twice before stealing Lebanese land), Houthi Shia groups (Yemen militias kicking Saudi ass in Yemen), Syria military (If not for Iran, The rebels would have defeated Bashar al-Assad), Iraq (Iraq is now an ally of Iran). That's not all, Iran has a homegrown military industry, they produce their own rockets, guns, submarines, aircraft (thou inferior), sophisticated missiles, etc, now tell me how you intend defeating a country such as this with ease? or you think Iran is Libya?

US knows this and they know invading Iran unprovoked will end their influence in the region, this war won't only end in Iran, it will affect all Middle East countries including Saudi Arabia and Isreal, Just an order from Iran and see how Hezbollah unleash their madness.

US is powerful, but wars are not always won by that. a war with Iran isnt what we should be praying for, as millions will perish. God heal the Middle East.

The same thing they said about Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Bro, power pass power!

Easily obliterate Israel you say..sorry oo but which israel are you talking about? Olodoquoteor=CaptainMarvel post=78546117]
You forget to add that they are strong allies with Russia and China. The North Koreans will definitely join the fight cos they ll see it as an opportunity to take it on against the U.S
plus Iran is an extremely rich country. they have enough resources to back them up for a fight. And also they can simply obliterate isreal in retaliation to any us attack.
But one on one, Iran can't withstand the U.S[/quote]

AroleOduduwa2:


There are countries America can never go to war with, Russia, China, Iran and N. Korea. Just to set the record straight, these countries are waiting for any provocation from the USA so they can have a reason to attack America, the Americans knows this and they will always vote no war in the senate.

A war with any of these countries will cripple America economy, everyone knows this.

War with Iran cannot cripple America Economy. Do you we even have calling that war?
That would be nothings but a broad daylight rape.

Efewestern:


Iraq was not stronger than Iran then, Iraq only thought of Invading Iran because of his allies and the upcoming sanctions eating Iran up, so Saddam Hussein thought that would be a perfect time to strike.

Even after he started the war, he couldn't move deep into Iran before Iran chanced him out, and Iraq was now on a defensive battle instead of Offensive. Iraq can't be stronger than Iran then, if Iran had gotten the level of supports Iraq got, they would have captured the entire Iraq.

America will destroy Iran, no doubt, but the issue is that you feel it will cost US nothing, which is not true, Iran unlike Iraq has been preparing for foreign invasion since after their relationship went sour with US, so they invested a lot in defense, Iraq never thought his so called allies would invade him, so two different scenarios.

.
Iraq was the greater power in the region before America ended their reign.

How exactly would it cost America? Maybe a few hundred men that would be sent to the ground, that is all.
I doubt if the US would lose a single asset.

America has now unveiled missiles that would zap out electronics of enemy nations by releasing powerful microwaves.
Like a super electromagnetic pulse.

The battle could be over before it even starts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7037549/Air-Force-deployed-20-missiles-fry-military-electronics-North-Korea-Iran.html

salamudeen:
Abeg compare the Size of Iran with the size of USA...


Tell this to either Russia or China Please...

Just like saying Lagos state threatening a local Government in Bayelsa


Why would such be coming out from a president? this one is just a business man not a president @ all

Some Ignorantis that doesnt know the aftermath of war would come out and start saying trash....

One thing i realised here is 90% percent of the people who would be happy about the news would be mainly Christians and Igbos here in Nigeria...


FYI.... Am not bashing anybody am just saying my mind if e pain you this is a faceless forum dont be offended

it's not about size, Iran is a very big threat, if u wan talk about size, Israel is smaller than Nigeria, yet no one threatens them including US , Russia , China , Iran , Iraq or Egypt

A lot of people in this Nigeria are just too ignorant about international politics and its clearly evident here on Nairaland... Truth is if you know, the US is looking and has been for quite sometime, a way to attack iran based on flimsy claims... You people need to know that the so called world Savior US is actually the worst and most evil country on earth

wingmanII:


How did hizbollah achieve their objective? What was their objective?
Ignorant much

* Get Isreal to leave Lebanon
* Remain active despite Israel's ultimate plan to eliminate them
* Remain a resistant block in Lebanon against Isreal's land grabbing antics

What objective did Israel ever accomplished the two times they met with Hezbollah?

Almunjid:

Who no know Trump?
Trump is an American comedian!

Then let your terrorist brothers try him let's see how to do comedy with their uncircumcised dikcs.

[quote author=NORSIYK post=78547544]

Lolzz ...very valid question tho

majamajic:


it's not about size, Iran is a very big threat, if u wan talk about size, Israel is smaller than Nigeria, yet no one threatens them including US , Russia , China , Iran , Iraq or Egypt

China, Russia and America will all easily delete Israel from existence.

Coming from salamudeen, so I don't expect much.....if Iran is in position of America today, Their will b no America and Israel...true

Efewestern:


Who ever said Iran can defeat or confront US? can't you read and comprehend, or even read what everyone is saying here, Iran is no match to US, but US will find it extremely difficult to defeat Iran in their "Soil", Iran is not Iraq or Libya, but one of the major actor in the region, a force to reckon with, and you can't just say US will defeat them with a swift victory in their territory, even Americans won't agree with you on this, Iran has fought several battles in the past with no support from anywhere, yet they came out victorious, they won't sit down and watch you attack them, they will Fight, and the casualties on both sides will be very high. No country in her right mind will start a war with US, but if you invade any territory, regardless of how mighty you think you are, you will meet a great resistance, like the Vietnam War etc.

Invade and destroy Hezbollah , like they did in 2006 right? Isreal with her 30k troops were unable to defeat a rag tag men with just Ak7 and some few rockets, worst is they were not more than 2k, despite air superiority, sophisticated weapons, etc, they were chased out of labenon, that was in 2006 oh, now compare a conflict with both parties, now that Hezbollah has grown to become one of the world most strongest militia, even stronger than Lebanon military, Isreal isn't looking for any excuse to invade, Hezbollah dug a lot of tunnels last year, why didn't Isreal use that as an excuse to attack them like they always do to Hamas? I guess you know why.

Hezbollah destroyed the myth that Isreal can't be defeated in the 2006 war, in fact if not for them, Isreal would have annexed Some labenese territory. Read more and stop being ignorant.

Bro, you spoke with facts but don't leave out some vital truths...In that Lebanon war between Hezbollah and Isreal, Iranian military came to the support of the Hezbollah before and during the war...That alone nullifies some points you raised here...

America a Warmonger state, America wouldn't strike Iran because it has a mutual defence pact with Russia and india

panafrican:
Trump did pretty well on foreign policy during his first term in office.
He did not blow up any country , he did not collude with warmongering nations such as UK and France to smuggle weapons into countries and start a bloody armed rebellion like what we saw in Syria and Libya.

Based on that Iran should wise up and avoid unnecessary conflicts with a country it cannot defeat.

God bless you for this post. The main stream media would never see that. They will never see that Trump has singlehandedly ensured that Syrians are going back to their home land. He has withdrawn thousands of us soldiers from the region.

Iran threatening US is looking for trouble the Trump would be more than willing to help them find.