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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 10:03am On Jan 26, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

When we give up attachment to everything, including the little self, then we find wisdom, power, and freedom.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 1:54pm On Jan 27, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

The quest for God is the quest for true happiness.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 2:41pm On Jan 28, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

Prophecy can come through in the dream state, or it can come through what I call the Golden-tongued Wisdom—where something in your daily life suddenly pops forth. It’s as if golden light surrounds it and gives you whatever you need just at that moment.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:37pm On Jan 29, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

When you ask for help, Spirit begins to bring changes that are for your good. Of course, this means you must be extra careful in the choices you make. Before Spirit can make any changes, you must develop a better image of yourself: You are Soul. God’s love is for you.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 10:15am On Jan 30, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

The way to work with Divine Spirit in our daily decisions is to consider quite honestly: What would I really like to do?

One must put aside thoughts of asceticism, thinking that God loves us more if we are poor. A business decision must be made using all input that’s available. What’s good for me, my family? It must allow one to grow.

Any decision is not without setbacks, for that’s the nature of life. What sets you apart is that you give it your best effort and more, staying open to the subtle nudges of Divine Spirit.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Mad_Max(f): 2:52pm On Jan 30, 2011
Each religion has its attractions. Can I ask what attracted you to Eckanker? How do Eckists define God? You say Eckists don't accept a thing unless it's proven to be true. Refreshing. Who determined the sound by which God created the universe; how did he or she come to know that it's HU? How do you,as a person, know it's true? What was the proof that was given? The emphasis in Eckanker is soul travel, crossing into alternate realities, leaving the body behind, and learning spiritual lessons from what you find, the aggregate of these experiences. Fascinating. Naturally, bi-location is involved, yes? Your biological body and senses are alive and functioning normally while these travels are undertaken? When your soul leaves the body, how do you know where to go? Who charts your course? How do you determine that the realities and planes you travel to are external and valid, and not something you're unknowingly generating yourself, or something that is being generated for you? Can two separate Eckists unknown to each other visit the same reality and find the same thing, much like two people would go to, say, New York? Do shed some light on these.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Deep Sight(m): 10:07am On Jan 31, 2011
Hello Maddie Haze -

Mad_Max:

Who determined the sound by which God created the universe; how did he or she come to know that it's HU?

When you do reflect closely. . .you do agree, do you not, that there must be a light and sound of the originiting element, do you not? Because that element has radiated outwards to form creation. An creation being a mobile reality must be of, and derive from, Light and Sound.

A transcendental and self-existent Light and Sound.

On a side note, your posts have intrigued me in terms of your overall worldview. May I have your permission to open a thread to discuss some of your views. I know I am notorious as some sort of argueholic, but i promise you that my intention is not to argue anything with you at all. I only wish to see light in your world-view and possibly be enriched thereby. So this will be like a short interview of sorts, if you permit. I have run this sort of thing with several other posters here. Such as Pastor AIO -

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-335826.0.html

I think it could be rewarding as we learn a thing or two.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by MyJoe: 10:35am On Jan 31, 2011
Happy New Year Mad_Max. And DS and benodic!
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Mad_Max(f): 11:53am On Jan 31, 2011
Hey, hey MyJoe! Happy New Year man!

Deep Sight:

Hello Maddie Haze -

When you do reflect closely. . .you do agree, do you not, that there must be a light and sound of the originiting element, do you not? Because that element has radiated outwards to form creation. An creation being a mobile reality must be of, and derive from, Light and Sound.

A transcendental and self-existent Light and Sound.

Hey Deepie.
When I reflect closely I neither agree nor disagree. What I agree with depends on the proofs furnished. It's not a challenge, merely a desire to understand. I read the W page on Eckanker and learnt the HU came from Sufism, the deeply spiritual offshoot of Islam. Eckists accept nothing without proof, which is a refeshing change from the conventional religions. I'd like to understand some of the proofs, and other things. Of course spiritual things can't be proven empirically in a lab. Nevertheless many have what constitutes proof of the veracity of their beliefs, and I'd like to know what these are in Eckanker.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 11:45pm On Jan 31, 2011
@ Mad_Max

Each religion has its attractions. Can I ask what attracted you to Eckanker?

as a child i had vivid past life recalls. i remembered who i was in my past life and my relationships with those around me. i was surrounded by the christian teachings then that did not believe in reincarnation so i kept my experience to myself. when i was older.
i made investigations and asked my father and mother about the person i was in my immediate past life. they did not know why i was asking those questions.
the answers i got collaborated the memories i had about that life. so i went about my search for the truth quietly which took me through different paths and different religions and philosophies. until i came across the teachings of ECK. Eckankar answered all my spiritual questions. with proof and started me on my journey back to God.


How do Eckists define God?

God can not be defined. It has to be experienced. this is because in the realm of pure spirit, the mind does not exist there and can not function there as the mind is  a creature of the lower world. you have to leave the mind behind and go into this pure spiritual world as pure soul which is your true self.

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You say Eckists don't accept a thing unless it's proven to be true. Refreshing. Who determined the sound by which God created the universe; how did he or she come to know that it's HU?

there are matured souls that we call the spiritual travelers who are able to make spiritual journeys into the heavenly realm of God. they come back to report what they saw and experienced in these realms. these are the ones who reported that issuing forth from the ocean of love and mercy which is the highest realm so far explored by them is this wonderful sound of HU which pervades all universes and from which all universes was fashioned. if you so desire they can help you to make this journey yourself and see  and hear for yourself.



How do you,as a person, know it's true? What was the proof that was given?

when i came into Eckankar, i was given the HU to sing as a love song to God.  at first i was very skeptical about it. but i decided to go ahead and give it a try. now so many years later with thousands of experiences and proofs for myself where do i start and which experience do i relate.
i proved it for myself. you see in Eckankar. we do not try to convince people that ECK is real or any of that stuff. you have to be ready. because the journey back to where we came from is not an easy one at all and it is one that you and you alone must undertake and no one will be on the sideline clapping or cheering for you.



The emphasis in Eckanker is soul travel, crossing into alternate realities, leaving the body behind, and learning spiritual lessons from what you find, the aggregate of these experiences. Fascinating. Naturally, bi-location is involved, yes? Your biological body and senses are alive and functioning normally while these travels are undertaken?

soul travel is just one of the steps you take on your journey back to God. the ultimate is developing divine love for all life and loving life the way God loves all life. soul travel helps in developing this love. soul travel simply means expansion of your consciousness. you are not really leaving your body to fly to anywhere. you are just opening up your spiritual senses to become aware of the spiritual worlds that are really within you. you can be fully awake and walking along the road with all your physical senses fully alert and still be soul traveling at the same time.



When your soul leaves the body, how do you know where to go? Who charts your course?

as a beginner in soul travel of course you need a guide. and our guide is the Mahanta, The Living Eck Master. He has made these journeys and he knows the geography of the inner worlds. he takes you step by step through the various spiritual planes if you permit him.


How do you determine that the realities and planes you travel to are external and valid, and not something you're unknowingly generating yourself, or something that is being generated for you?

this is what spiritual training does for you. you start being able to know which plane you are on and what happens in each plane. the originality of these experiences shows you that it is not something you are generating yourself.

for example in the causal plane is where you see things that will happen in the future. in my early days in Eckankar when i was doubting the experiences i was having i once had a soul travel experience and i saw myself outside our house.
i was surprised that instead of 3 communication masts that used to be at the Nitel office near our house there was only one. i ignored the experience and relegated it to the background. after about 7 years i came back home and was surprised to see that there was only 1 mast as i had seen in my experience. my siblings told me that 2 masts  were  dismantled. so what i saw in my experience was a glimpse of the future.


Can two separate Eckists unknown to each other visit the same reality and find the same thing, much like two people would go to, say, New York? Do shed some light on these.
definitely yes. if you go through the Eckankar journal you will find lots of such stories. in the inner worlds, there are temples of golden wisdom where people go to learn the wisdom of God. many Eckists do go there and can meet each other there and remember fully the experience.

i hope i have tried in my little way to shed some light. still feel free to ask any questions you have.
thanks
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 11:51pm On Jan 31, 2011
@ Deep Sight (m)



On a side note, your posts have intrigued me in terms of your overall worldview. May I have your permission to open a thread to discuss some of your views. I know I am notorious as some sort of argueholic, but i promise you that my intention is not to argue anything with you at all. I only wish to see light in your world-view and possibly be enriched thereby. So this will be like a short interview of sorts, if you permit. I have run this sort of thing with several other posters here. Such as Pastor AIO -

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-335826.0.html

I think it could be rewarding as we learn a thing or two.


there is no problem. you have my permission to open the thread. i will be very glad to share my little knowledge with you.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 11:54pm On Jan 31, 2011
@ MyJoe


Happy New Year Mad_Max. And DS and benodic!

happy new year to you too.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:22am On Feb 01, 2011
@Mad_Max (f)


When I reflect closely I neither agree nor disagree. What I agree with depends on the proofs furnished. It's not a challenge, merely a desire to understand.

you are the one to prove these things for yourself. because as they said, the taste of the pudding is in the eating. even if i list for you 100 experiences i have had, you are still going to be skeptical and take it that i made them up.

i remembered my friend in school who was very skeptical about soul travel. i told him to just try the singing of the HU and ask God that he wants to know the reality of the heavenly realms. one early morning he rushed to me room so excited and told me about a very vivid fully conscious soul travel experience he had. i knew then that i need not say more to him. one experience tells it more succinctly than a million words.



I read the W page on Eckanker and learnt the HU came from Sufism, the deeply spiritual offshoot of Islam.

what you have to know is that true spirituality has no boundaries and is available to any one who wants to know. the HU was given to the Sufis by a Living Eck Master of that time because they were ready to take the next step spiritually. The HU is not a property of any religion or any group. it is a gift that God has given to all souls to use in finding Its way back to It.


Eckists accept nothing without proof, which is a refeshing change from the conventional religions. I'd like to understand some of the proofs, and other things. Of course spiritual things can't be proven empirically in a lab. Nevertheless many have what constitutes proof of the veracity of their beliefs, and I'd like to know what these are in Eckanker.

for starters you are told that God communicates with us through the Light and Sound which is the twin aspects of the Eck or Holy Spirit.
if you remember the holy Bible, during the pentecost, it was reported that there appeared on top of each person a tongue of fire and there was the sound of wind that swept through the room then after that experience they became bold to preach the gospel.

these experiences of the Holy spirit is still happening today. if you sing the HU, a process of spiritual purification starts and all the dross that covers your spiritual eyes and ears are cleared away. then your spiritual eyes and ears opens and you will start hearing the various sounds of God and you will also see the light of God in your inner vision.

these are experiences are common place to us Eckists. other things like dream travel, soul travel, spiritual healing etc. comes along. it is a very gradual process and there is no hurry or rushing at all. these experiences over time turns you into a lover of life. you grow above religious sentiments, tribal sentiments and all you desire to do is to serve life without any discrimination,
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:23am On Feb 01, 2011
@Mad_Max (f)


When I reflect closely I neither agree nor disagree. What I agree with depends on the proofs furnished. It's not a challenge, merely a desire to understand.

you are the one to prove these things for yourself. because as they said, the taste of the pudding is in the eating. even if i list for you 100 experiences i have had, you are still going to be skeptical and take it that i made them up.

i remembered my friend in school who was very skeptical about soul travel. i told him to just try the singing of the HU and ask God that he wants to know the reality of the heavenly realms. one early morning he rushed to me room so excited and told me about a very vivid fully conscious soul travel experience he had. i knew then that i need not say more to him. one experience tells it more succinctly than a million words.



I read the W page on Eckanker and learnt the HU came from Sufism, the deeply spiritual offshoot of Islam.

what you have to know is that true spirituality has no boundaries and is available to any one who wants to know. the HU was given to the Sufis by a Living Eck Master of that time because they were ready to take the next step spiritually. The HU is not a property of any religion or any group. it is a gift that God has given to all souls to use in finding Its way back to It.


Eckists accept nothing without proof, which is a refeshing change from the conventional religions. I'd like to understand some of the proofs, and other things. Of course spiritual things can't be proven empirically in a lab. Nevertheless many have what constitutes proof of the veracity of their beliefs, and I'd like to know what these are in Eckanker.

for starters you are told that God communicates with us through the Light and Sound which is the twin aspects of the Eck or Holy Spirit.
if you remember the holy Bible, during the pentecost, it was reported that there appeared on top of each person a tongue of fire and there was the sound of wind that swept through the room then after that experience they became bold to preach the gospel.

these experiences of the Holy spirit is still happening today. if you sing the HU, a process of spiritual purification starts and all the dross that covers your spiritual eyes and ears are cleared away. then your spiritual eyes and ears opens and you will start hearing the various sounds of God and you will also see the light of God in your inner vision.

these are experiences are common place to us Eckists. other things like dream travel, soul travel, spiritual healing etc. comes along. it is a very gradual process and there is no hurry or rushing at all. these experiences over time turns you into a lover of life. you grow above religious sentiments, tribal sentiments and all you desire to do is to serve life without any discrimination.

thanks for your questions. i will still be happy to shed light on any issue you want addressed
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Cmanforall: 9:10am On Feb 01, 2011
Hi benodic,you say you have thousands of experience & proofs.My question is,don't you think you can easily get those experience & proofs if you were a grail message adherent,Buddhist,Amorc e.t.c.you all do soul travel or is that of ecks different?then why is everybody's own different?are there millions of planes or is everybody seeing what they want to see.My point is,if you had come across one of the sects above b4 eckankar,may b you'll b writing contemplation seeds about them BC they definitely will have answers about your past life.
I know the most important thing is to love your neighbour as yourself but when you all show love & still have different views about soul travel,Jesus Christ,e.t.c then somebody is wrong or how do you know the ecks are right?
Thanks & stay blessed.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Mad_Max(f): 10:14am On Feb 01, 2011
Absolutely fascinating, benodic. Thank you for sharing this. I understand why you say to me, 'Prove it yourself, experiecne it yourself.' You may have had experiences that are impossible to render in words or adequately describe. Still, this isn't about proving a thing to others but explaining what constitutes proof of belief for YOU. I very much doubt I'd be skeptical. We wouldn't be talking if I thought you made things up. I don't think anything remotely like that.

You say you had memories of a past life as a child. How did you know what they were ? How did you know they were memories of a past life instead of some other thing it could have been? What brought the memores to the surface? Was it spontaneous? It's not something that's happened to most people at that or any other age; why you? Especially since you didn't ask for it?

I read that Harold Kemp is the third Eck master. Eckanker was begun in the 60s by its first master. Sufi Islam is much older, I think, though I may be wrtong. How could a 20th century ECK master have taught the sound HU to a body of ancient sufi doctrine? Isn't it possible sufis acquired it before Eckists? That it was for Eckanker a truth its first amster discovered in Sufism, not the other way round? It's not, after all, a contest. As you rightly said, the things of God belong to all. I hope you're not offended by this question. I sense your sincerity and your generosity of spirit. Unless you believe a thing to be true, you would not say it.

Could you share some more of the things you've seen and experienced in your travels? Please don't worry that it'll sound strange. I was partucllarly intrigued by what you described as consciousness expansion. How you don't leave your physical body to soul travel. It's bi-location. You're fully conscious in two separate realities at
the same time. You know humans have travelled to the moon and the Voyager crafts have gone beyond Pluto. Our solar system stops at the Oort Cloud two light years away. Two light years is an enormous distance. The sun is 8 light minutes away. But there are distances in millions and billions and trillions of light years in the universe.
The scale of things, both great and tiny, is beyond our faculties. We'll probably never travel by conventional craft to the edge of our own Solar system, much less get to the edges of our galaxy, much less explore other galaxies in the universe.

As Eckists your consciousness travel, and you explore other realms and realities. Would you say it's possible for a consciousness to soul travel the universe, visit galaxies and roam stars? Observe other civilizations, other forms of life in the universe, far from home? Have you done this? Have other Eckists? If not why not? The consciousness cannot know the limitations of physics and can go anywhere. Have Eckists travelled the universe? What have they found?
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by boule_blch: 10:46am On Feb 01, 2011
benodic:

@ boule_blch
any secret name or word that you receive in a dream is strictly for your own use. you are not to write it down or say it aloud where people can overhear it.
such words are given to people to enable them connect directly to the holy spirit. any sacred word you receive in your dream you are to use it in your prayers and contemplations before sleeping and after waking up.

over time it will gradually clear the darkness that covers the light of God in your inner worlds and you will come to experience the pure light of God that brings inner peace, wisdom and freedom.
remember that the word may change from time to time. when you receive a new word you are to discard the old one and start using the new immediately.

each new word you receive matches your current state of consciousness at that point in time. that is why spirituality is an individual journey and not a group jamboree. help is always given to any individual who ask for it.

i will still be glad to help with any question you have.
thanks

thank you very much Benodic
i'm was not around these two days
yours answers are very useful for me and they help me to understand many things
Apart from meditation, prayer and contemplation how can i use a secret word ?
Do you think that a secret word can be separate, break in syllable, and each syllable used separately ?
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 2:16pm On Feb 01, 2011
@ Cmanforall


Hi benodic,you say you have thousands of experience & proofs.My question is,don't you think you can easily get those experience & proofs if you were a grail message adherent,Buddhist,Amorc e.t.c.you all do soul travel or is that of ecks different
then why is everybody's own different?are there millions of planes or is everybody seeing what they want to see.My point is,if you had come across one of the sects above b4 eckankar,may  b you'll b writing contemplation seeds about them BC they definitely will have answers about your past life.

first you have to know that Eckankar was not my first religion. before i became an Eckist, i had studied the works of the the grail message i.e in the light of truth. i had also read books from Amorc and Buddhism. i also tried some of the techniques given by the Amorc group. so i have a little knowledge of these groups.
there is a very thin line between what we call psychic arts and true spirituality. what is practiced in Amorc is astral travel and not soul travel. there is a very big difference. astral travel is very dangerous and is limited to the astral plane.

soul travel is very natural and uses the faculties of soul and you do not leave your body in order to soul travel. you simply expand your awareness to other areas of existence that your physical senses normally can not access. you can do that even when widely awake and alert

.

  I know the most important thing is to love your neighbor as yourself but when you all show love & still have different views about soul travel,Jesus Christ,e.t.c then somebody is wrong or how do you know the ecks are right?

my dear you have to understand that the reason for all these experiences is to make you at the end a lover of life.
it does not matter what you belief or do not belief in. and also it is not a question of who is wrong or right. what matters is are you in a close one on one relationship with God? that is why Jesus says by their fruits you will know them.

please take a very good look at 1 Corinthians 13 where st Paul talked extensively about love. all these things soul travel, spiritual healing, past life recalls all mean nothing if at the end of the  day it did not open your heart to God's love enabling you to love all life without discrimination. so my dear LOVE or CHARITY is the ultimate. focus on It

  Thanks & stay blessed.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 4:08pm On Feb 01, 2011
@mad max

Absolutely fascinating, benodic. Thank you for sharing this. I understand why you say to me, 'Prove it yourself, experience it yourself.' You may have had experiences that are impossible to render in words or  adequately describe. Still, this isn't about proving a thing to others but explaining what constitutes proof of belief for YOU. I very much doubt I'd be skeptical. We wouldn't be talking if I thought you made things up. I don't think anything remotely like that.
ok i understand .

You say you had memories of a past life as a child. How did you know what they were ? How did you know they were memories of a past life instead of some other thing it could have been? What brought the memores to the surface? Was it spontaneous? It's not something that's happened to most people at that or any other age; why you? Especially since you didn't ask for it?

my father took me home to my village at around the age of 4 years. he took me to my maternal uncle's house. as we approached the house, the memories opened up. i remembered having lived in that same house as an adult. i remembered having problems with my uncle who was my senior brother then. the memories came flooding up inside my mind. i was so frightened. but i kept the experience to myself. the reason why i was able to remember that particular life time so vividly was because the house was exactly the way it was when i lived there. it has not changed. my uncle now was exactly the way i remembered him. he has not changed much. the time interval between my death in that life and my reincarnation was very short. these factors caused the memories to surface.
the reason most people do not remember their past lives are usually due to the fact that they may have reincarnated at a place that is very different from where they were before so there is nothing to trigger the memories. also if someone spends a long time in the inner worlds before reincarnating a lot of things would have changed so the person will not remember.

naturally children are very open to the spiritual worlds before the age of 6. so some of them may have those recalls but it will appear as nightmares. and moreover when the child is now told that such things are nonsense he or she will come to regard it as nonsense too.


I read that Harold Kemp is the third Eck master. Eckanker was begun in the 60s by its first master.  Sufi Islam is much older, I think, though I may be wrtong. How could a 20th century ECK master have taught the sound HU to a body of ancient sufi doctrine? Isn't it possible sufis acquired it before Eckists? That it was for Eckanker a truth its first amster discovered in Sufism, not the other way round? It's not, after all, a contest. As you rightly said, the things of God belong to all.  I hope you're not offended by this question. I sense your sincerity and  your generosity of spirit.  Unless you believe a thing to be true, you would not say it.

i wonder where you are getting your information from. grin grin  i have never had a good laugh for quite some time.

Sri Harold Klemp is the 973rd Living Eck Master in an unbroken line of Eck Masters. what you have to know is that the teachings of Eck have been in every age and every civilization but mostly underground and behind the scenes according to the consciousness of the times.
the teachings was mostly given to ready souls in the inner directly because of persecution as Man was not ready for Truth and will readily kill any one who is teaching any thing contrary to what He expectsor believes.

In 1965, the consciousness of Man took a big leap and it was agreed among the spiritual hierarchy to externalize the teachings of Eck as a lot of Souls are now ready for them. Paul Twitchell the 971st Living Eck Master was chosen to bring the teachings to the public. and so started the Eckankar Movement.
Shamus was the Living Eck master who taught the sufis the word HU through his student Rumi who was a moslem. like i told you earlier. the HU does not belong to any body and is for all to use.



Could you share some more of the things you've seen and experienced in your travels?  Please don't worry that it'll sound strange. I was partucllarly intrigued by what you described as consciousness expansion. How you don't leave your physical body to soul travel. It's bi-location. You're fully conscious in two separate realities at
the same time. You know humans have travelled to the moon and the Voyager crafts have gone beyond Pluto. Our solar system stops at the Oort Cloud two light years away. Two light years is an enormous distance. The sun is 8 light minutes away. But there are distances in millions and billions and trillions of light years in the universe.
The scale of things, both great and tiny, is beyond our faculties. We'll probably never travel by conventional craft to the edge of our own Solar system, much less get to the edges of our galaxy, much less explore other galaxies in the universe.

As Eckists your consciousness travel, and you explore other realms and realities. Would you say it's possible for a consciousness to soul travel the universe, visit galaxies and roam stars? Observe other civilizations, other forms of life in the universe, far from home? Have you done this? Have other Eckists? If not why not? The consciousness cannot know the limitations of physics and can go anywhere. Have Eckists travelled the universe? What have they found?

the question is what is the purpose of soul travel? we do not just soul travel for the fun of it. to go junketing to one end of the universe just for the fun of it. the purposes of soul travel are:
1. to show you that you are soul and you are deathless. even when you drop the body you continue existing in other realms.
2. to explore the heavenly realms and see for ourselves its veracity.
3. to visit the temples of Golden wisdom in the other planes and learn the wisdom of God directly from source without pollution from the mind.
4. to become aware of our connection with all life. that there is no difference between you and the other person. it is only the mind that makes such judgements.
5. to open our consciousness to the light and sound of God.

since you are so curious about the physical universe, then i will tell you that yes you can travel to the ends of the physical universe and beyond if that is what interests you. Eckists leave their human consciousness on a daily basis and explore the inner worlds where the vast panorama of life is displayed.

life does exist in the other planets in the solar system. but they are on a higher supra physical vibration just like water vapour and you can not see them with your physical eyes.
the next plane after the physical universe is the astral plane. i have met people there who have translated from earth and the funny thing is that they do not even know that they are dead. they just keep on carrying on with their existence there totally ignorant of their state or where they are.

for us in Eckankar we bother mostly with opening our consciousness to the light and sound of God and surrendering to the will of God in our life. the light and sound which is the twin aspects of the holy spirit enters your consciousness and purifies it turning you into a co-worker with God. a servant of the highest order.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 4:27pm On Feb 01, 2011
@ boule_blch


thank you very much Benodic
i'm was not around these two days
yours answers are very useful for me and they help me to understand many things
Apart from meditation, prayer and contemplation how can i use a secret word ?

the secret word is meant to raise your state of consciousness. you can also sing it quietly within yourself as you are going through your days work.


Do you think that a secret word can be separate, break in syllable, and each syllable used separately ?

you can experiment with your secret word. use it in many patterns and see what happens. as soul you have to be bold and adventuresome and creative. what matters is for you to use what works for you.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by boule_blch: 4:54pm On Feb 01, 2011
thanks Benodic
i'll we work on all this a few days, and see what's coming up
thank you for your help
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Mad_Max(f): 6:52pm On Feb 01, 2011
Most interesting. I haven't read any books on Eckanker, just took a cursory look online. Since you ask, I got my information from here: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar

http://www.religionfacts.com/a-z-religion-index/eckankar.htm

Indeed the physical universe fascinates me. We do live in it. There's enough strangeness and grandeur in the universe to capture anyone. You say there are creatures who live on the other planets in the solar system but can't be detected empirically? Then life doesn't exist on those planets, does it? It's a physical universe. If it's not physical, if it's not biological, if it's not interacting directly with its own physical environment, then there's no life on that planet. Even if it's not a carbon-based life form like humans, it needs to be physical before we can say there's life on that planet, or that system or that galaxy. That there's life on physical planets that I cannot see with my physical eyes tells me nothing at all.

Your posts are really interesting. It's raised more questions - temples of Golden wisdom, consciousness of man raised, etc? but I don't want to weary you.  I'll read Twitchell's book sometime soon. I hear it's well researched; it'll be a joy to read. Maybe I'll check out Klemp's book after that. I already like him. Thanks benodic. You're a patient soul.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 8:45pm On Feb 01, 2011
@ boule_blch

thanks Benodic
i'll we work on all this a few days, and see what's coming up
thank you for your help

you are welcome my dear. feel free to ask any question. i will do my best to address it to the best of my ability.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 9:17pm On Feb 01, 2011
Mad_Max (f)



Most interesting. I haven't read any books on Eckanker, just took a cursory look online. Since you ask, I got my information from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar

http://www.religionfacts.com/a-z-religion-index/eckankar.htm

no wonder cool cool



Indeed the physical universe fascinates me. We do live in it. There's enough strangeness and grandeur in the universe to capture anyone. You say there are creatures who live on the other planets in the solar system but can't be detected empirically? Then life doesn't exist on those planets, does it? It's a physical universe. If it's not physical, if it's not biological, if it's not interacting directly with its own physical environment, then there's no life on that planet. Even if it's not a carbon-based life form like humans, it needs to be physical before we can say there's life on that planet, or that system or that galaxy. That there's life on physical planets that I cannot see with my physical eyes tells me nothing at all.

in the vastness of the physical universe of course there are varied ranges of life. from the biological ones you can touch and feel physically to the ones that are existing on a supra physical level. there are intelligent biological physical beings just like man that live in other planets far away in other constellations. one day in the future some of them may make it to earth in space craft. by then mankind will then know that they are not alone in the physical universe.

the ones on the supra physical level i was talking about are the ones existing on the planets in our solar system. the vibration of the atoms that make up their body is higher than ours that is why we can not see them with our ordinary physical senses.

to illustrate water in gaseous state can not be seen with the physical eyes but it is still a physical object interacting with the physical environment.
when its vibration is reduced you can then see and feel it as liquid matter. the life that exists in planets like mercury, venus and mars is in that form of higher physical vibration because life in a lower vibration can not survive there.



Your posts are really interesting. It's raised more questions - temples of Golden wisdom, consciousness of man raised, etc? but I don't want to weary you. I'll read Twitchell's book sometime soon. I hear it's well researched; it'll be a joy to read. Maybe I'll check out Klemp's book after that. I already like him. Thanks benodic. You're a patient soul.

i am here for you. it is not wearying at all sharing my little knowledge about life. if you can get any of those books it will really make an interesting reading so enjoy yourself. but feel free any time to ask me any thing that you want more input on.

remain blessed
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 9:48am On Feb 02, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

Learn to give, without ever thinking of a reward. That’s how to find the treasures of heaven.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 6:26pm On Feb 03, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

The principles of Spirit are embedded in the literature and in the life of our culture. Truth is never hidden. It is always available for the Soul who wants to take the next step.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by hackney(m): 10:39pm On Feb 03, 2011
@Benodic:

Reincarnation: if it's true then that's fine but what if its not? ?

This is one cross road that may catch people out.
Also the fact that Jesus is the way,the truth and the life.
(any beliefs that side-step these core standpoints no matter how intelligent they sound are . . . well. . . )
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 3:47pm On Feb 04, 2011
@ hackney



Reincarnation: if it's true then that's fine but what if its not? ?

dear Hackney, you have to realize one thing. for me reincarnation is not an academic issue and it is not something i read in a book hoping to believe in it or not to believe in it. i clearly remembered my past life and verified it for myself without any one knowing what i was doing. so my experience is my authority and not what some book or the other is saying about it.

This is one cross road that may catch people out.
Also the fact that Jesus is the way,the truth and the life.
(any beliefs that side-step these core standpoints no matter how intelligent they sound are . . . well. . . )

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life for christians.
likewise other masters are the way, the truth and life for their followers.
all these masters including Jesus are simply channels for God's truth. none of them have a monopoly over truth. they are there simply to show you how to start on your own spiritual journey back to God.

Truth really has no religion just like God does not belong to any religion. these masters does not quarrel with each other only their followers do. why? because of the fixation on the personality of these masters. the followers forget the core of their teachings and hang on the personality of their masters.

it is just like someone holding on to a signboard pointing to the road to a town instead on moving on following the directions of the signboard.
so the choice is yours. whether to hold on to a signboard or to move on and continue your journey to God following the direction of the signboard.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 3:52pm On Feb 05, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

You cannot measure spirituality by the number of bad habits you have or not. Nor by a certain number of experiences. Awareness of the moment and a joy for living can also be an indication of where you are spiritually.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

Another quote
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:11am On Feb 07, 2011
A Seed for Contemplation

Many feel that a person who spends his time soul-searching is more holy than a merchant who hawks his goods at the market. A highly spiritual person is actually one who has found the comfort zone that exists somewhere between the two extremes.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by chieveboy(m): 8:29pm On Feb 07, 2011
one of this days l'll like to rub minds wif you @benodic, l'll like to improve from your achievements, l kind of belive you
can do little research on me, afterall you can soul-travel, and lets see smiley, email's lilogogosa@yahoo.com! thanks and bless you!
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 7:34pm On Feb 08, 2011
@ chieveboy


one of this days l'll like to rub minds wif you @benodic, l'll like to improve from your achievements, l kind of belive you
can do little research on me, afterall you can soul-travel, and lets see Smiley, email's lilogogosa@yahoo.com! thanks and bless you!

my dear please i am not a miracle worker and i do not do research on people. if you want to know more about yourself and your relationship with God you can try singing HU the love song to God. you can learn to soul travel too and find out what you want to find out on your own. you really do not need anybody to do that for you.

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