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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by NigPatriot(m): 11:06am On Sep 15, 2019
Flakky26:
Men are not robots. Men have will and emotions which God is not in control of . prayer is to.show that we genuinely need what asked of.

Many of.us won't buy biscuits or ice cream for.our kids until they ask. So.God too is like that.

You made sense. But I don't agree with the analogy you gave at the end. That undermines the idiosyncratic attribute of God as omniscient.

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by tintingz(m): 11:37am On Sep 15, 2019
If there's a God that knows everything and predestined everything, prayer is a waste of time.

If you have been predestined to be poor, praying to be rich is waste of time except you want God to change his mind.

If God is to change his mind then being poor is not your destiny or God didn't probably know your future.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by tintingz(m): 11:38am On Sep 15, 2019
Flakky26:
Men are not robots. Men have will and emotions which God is not in control of . prayer is to.show that we genuinely need what asked of.

Many of.us won't buy biscuits or ice cream for.our kids until they ask. So.God too is like that.
Then God is not powerful as claim.

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Nobody: 11:42am On Sep 15, 2019
If you need new clothes, you ask from your parents or anyone that can be of help. Same with prayer. Even if he knows all, he is simply waiting 4 to ask.

Praying is just talking to God like we talk to our earthly parents.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by djoey89: 12:09pm On Sep 15, 2019
RyanD147:
If you need new clothes, you ask from your parents or anyone that can be of help. Same with prayer. Even if he knows all, he is simply waiting 4 to ask.

Praying is just talking to God like we talk to our earthly parents.


But you religious folks normally say god reasoning is not like human reasoning, so why draw an analogy of a human who have limited mental and financial ability and juxtapose with a god that snap his fingers and things came to pass with infinite powers...

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 1:03pm On Sep 15, 2019
GoTV:
sad Even though I'm a born again Christian, i think prayer is a scam because if God is the alpha and omega as proclaimed why can't he delete all our life problems and worries like kapersky antivirus does to viruses? Why must me pray like fools every day? I feel like hating God sometimes sad

God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 1:08pm On Sep 15, 2019
ednut1:
To me prayer is a waste of time God's will won't change. If you pray before embarking on a journey it doesn't guarantee accident free journey. So why pray Where as u may not pray and get to your destination

God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 1:11pm On Sep 15, 2019
tintingz:
If there's a God that knows everything and predestined everything, prayer is a waste of time.

If you have been predestined to be poor, praying to be rich is waste of time except you want God to change his mind.

If God is to change his mind then being poor is not your destiny or God didn't probably know your future.


God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.
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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 1:15pm On Sep 15, 2019
UyaiIncomparabl:


So, if Mother Anna hadn't fasted and prayed, Daddy Jesus wouldn't have been born?

The way it works is if she hadn't she'd have missed her chance and reward that comes with it but someone else would definitely have done it if it was bound to happen
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 1:19pm On Sep 15, 2019
AbdlRashid:
If everything has been written down and predestined, why pray for something already written?
And those quoting if you have to ask your parents for school fees and feeding them you should ask God through prayers, but they forget rich kids don't need to ask before it is done. Some don't even know when their fees is being paid. Spirituality and religion is just complicated.


God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro. And if any man fails to do his part, someone else will do it Gods preordained purposes are unchangeable but the men that he uses change. Like the case of Saul and David
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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 1:22pm On Sep 15, 2019
PCRepairer:
Thanks for the update! I have been thinking of asking my pastor about it

more question, why didnt he make everyone of us comfortable? why are some comfortable and some are not?

God knows devil is the root of all the evil on earth, why didnt he eliminate him at once? why is he waiting for the last day?


Check my signature, if you know, you know

God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro. By the way he doesn't make us comfortable or not it's simply the cause and effect chain playing out but he can make any situation right and to his advantage
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by UyaiIncomparabl(f): 1:22pm On Sep 15, 2019
Finallydead:


The way it works is if she hadn't she'd have missed her chance and reward that comes with it but someone else would definitely have done it if it was bound to happen

Missed her chance and reward just for baby Jesus? I don't even know what you're on about?
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by InvertedHammer: 1:26pm On Sep 15, 2019
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With or without prayers, the outcome is usually the same.
When successful, Christians attribute it to prayers. When unsuccessful, they look for an innocent suspect to blame.
Nobody knows what's going on in God's mind that's why it is open for speculations. Sadly, it threw up all manners of charlatans claiming to speak directly to God. Remarkably, outcome of events for these charlatans are the same as ordinary folks. The probability of an event occuring is 50%. The probability of a prayer being answered is 50%. The only advantage they have over others is the ability to organize events and smooth-talk people out of cash.

Prayer is man's way of boosting confidence and calming his nerves.
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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by tintingz(m): 1:32pm On Sep 15, 2019
Finallydead:



God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.
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Since God has the power to do anything and knows each everyone destiny, why put humans on earth to suffer? If God is actually benevolent he should do something that will not be bad for his creation.

Secondly, God is the one controlling people's life if he's the one that predestined everything.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Etfash(m): 1:52pm On Sep 15, 2019
Why do we pray when God already knows what we need?

1. Because he commanded us to pray
2. When we pray, we demonstrate our dependence on Him and our trust in His ability to help us.
3. Burdens are naturally lifted in the place of prayers
4. Light (solution) comes in the place of prayer
5. Our confidence and strength is renewed in the place of prayer and so much more.

Although God knows what our needs are par time, circumstances of life make it difficult to acknowledge this fact often. This is what brings in unbelief, weariness and distrust. However, when we pray, these burdens are lifted, we become light and our faith builds; God becomes pleased and solution comes.

Does God answer all prayers? Depending on your definition of ANSWERS, a yes or no to the question will be correct. I believe a NO to some prayer points may mean not yet or not my will; those for me are still answers.

We must understand that effective prayers are those made according to God's will on the foundation of holiness (your obedience walk with God after you have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus) and strengthened by Faith.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Etfash(m): 2:12pm On Sep 15, 2019
tintingz:


Since God has the power to do anything and knows each everyone destiny, why put humans on earth to suffer? If God is actually benevolent he should do something that will not be bad for his creation.

Secondly, God is the one controlling people's life if he's the one that predestined everything.

Since I am not all-knowing, I can't claim to have all answers, one reason I still need God.

The above notwithstanding, let me attempt to respond to your question as follows:

God is the Almighty - YES. However, He doesn't impose His will; one reason you and I have a free will. Unfortunately, the Omniscient nature of the Almighty God makes him come across as one who determined the destiny of all flesh. His Omnipotence also makes it further difficult for many to see him as good.

But, come to think of it, God sees the end from the beginning and puts plans in place to address issues to come. God knew what choices Adam and Eve, King Saul, King David, Judas Iscariot, Peter etc. would make before they made them and He made his decision based on what he saw upfront.

The question many of us begin to ask is "why didn't he stop men from making the wrong choices?". I believe He has the power to do so, but coercion isn't an act of love. So, the embodiment of love himself cannot be seen as such. But then, He gives second chances out of his benevolence.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by fyneboi79(m): 2:22pm On Sep 15, 2019
Acidosis:

Great message you have here.

It is true that we are predestined by God but a lot is required of us to bring that calling into manifestation since there is always a contest and battle for the fulfilment of our purpose.

The birth of Jesus was predicted in the book of Isaiah. In spite being the son of God, a woman we rarely talk about in the Bible spent 84 years of her life praying and fasting in a temple for the manifestation of that prophecy. She was a prophetess, by the name Anna (Luke 2:36) [not the same Hannah, mother of Samuel in the old testament]

We rarely remember the efforts of people like Anna today. In fact, asides the birth process which of course Mary (whom some people have turned to idols) played a role, a lot do not understand key factors in the fulfilment of his Ministry on earth.

If a woman could do nothing for 84 years but fasting and praying consistently for the birth of the son of God, then we don't have any excuse why we shouldn't pray.
Bible stories taken too far. Does a father (God) throw a python(Satan) into his child's room and say his child will survive any attack from the python if the child accepts him as father,worship him,and ignore any advances from the python? God? Powerful? Why not get rid of Satan?

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 2:28pm On Sep 15, 2019
UyaiIncomparabl:


Missed her chance and reward just for baby Jesus? I don't even know what you're on about?

Everyone's given a part to play in bringing Gods will to pass and since we have free will,we get rewarded for choosing to play that part (which is by our living for him) but if u don't obey, u miss your reward and someone else gets it. So God's will will be eventually done but you will choose whether you'll be a part of the story. U dig?
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 2:42pm On Sep 15, 2019
tintingz:


Since God has the power to do anything and knows each everyone destiny, why put humans on earth to suffer? If God is actually benevolent he should do something that will not be bad for his creation.

Secondly, God is the one controlling people's life if he's the one that predestined everything.

If u read my post again you'd see d answer to your question. God put man on earth, not to suffer but coz he wanted him to be a part of a heavenly kingdom that has dos and donuts with real repercussions. Here is like a training ground so he wouldn't make costly mistakes in this heavenly kingdom. All the suffering of man on earth is due to one man's or another's wrong. So we can learn from this the consequence of not choosing Gods choices. However, God has also provided a way out of all suffering which is choosing his ways. The more we do the better things will get with time.

About your second point, God has a preordained plan for everyone but he doesn't force us into it and yeah, it may never materialise for us if we don't follow his plans and demands. So the way God is in control is that WITH TIME his preordained will will eventually come to pass if not with you then someone else and if not today then tomorrow but surely
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Acidosis(m): 3:01pm On Sep 15, 2019
UyaiIncomparabl:


So, if Mother Anna hadn't fasted and prayed, Daddy Jesus wouldn't have been born?

1. His destiny on earth may be delayed.

2. God can raise another destiny helper.
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Insectkiller: 3:03pm On Sep 15, 2019
Prayer is d master key..

Jesus started with prayer � and ended with prayer..

Pray always..
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by orisa37: 3:09pm On Sep 15, 2019
africa4ever:
So Why Do We Pray? One of the greatest Christian Privilege is Prayer and according to the Bible, we are admonished to never allow anxiety to rule our lives but by prayer and supplication, our request should be made known to God. Philippians 4:6

It is necessary that all of us learn how to pray more and better everyday, but a major reason why we have not been praying more is that there are questions about prayer we need answers to.

These unanswered questions creates an uncertainty and this may make us become neutral and hesitant about this spiritual activity.

For us to answer the question, “why do we pray”? We should go to the Holy Bible. The Book of 1 Thessalonians 5:17 tells us to pray continuously with faith.

So Why do we Pray?
1.The Antidote to Anxiety is Prayer.
Looking at this world filled with so much trouble and chaos, God’s word encourages us to pray at all times about anything and everything. Prayer eliminates our weariness and anxiousness. The book of Mathew 11:28 urges us to cast all our burdens on Jesus and he will give us rest”

2. Our Relationship With God becomes more deeper through Prayer.
God created humans to connect and communicate with his creation and when we pray we connect with him. Prayer simply means talking to God, just like we talk to our family members and friends. Prayer is a powerful medium that brings us closer to God. Prayer renews and transforms us and it builds our spiritual life

3. Jesus Laid The Example of Prayer.
Jesus life and ministry on earth teaches us how he was in constant communication and fellowship with his father. There was no way he could know the mind of his father is he was not communicating with him. If Jesus who was sinless could seek after the father and pray always, how much more we, humans, need to do his will and pray always.

In Conclusion
God cares for us and that is why we should pray (1 Peter 5:7). God has placed so much interest in us that he wants us to get him involved in our daily activities. Our father is a great listener and he promises to help, protect, preserve and fulfill all his promises over our lives.

Learn More About Why We Should Pray!

SOURCE: https://infoguide.com.ng/why-do-we-pray-since-god-already-knows-everything/
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Jesus instructed us to Pray always.



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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Reelmii: 3:34pm On Sep 15, 2019
because the bible says ask and ye shall receive
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Nobody: 4:40pm On Sep 15, 2019
GoTV:
sad Even though I'm a born again Christian fool, i think prayer is a scam because if God is the alpha and omega as proclaimed why can't he delete all our life problems and worries like kapersky antivirus does to viruses? Why must me pray like fools every day? I feel like hating God sometimes sad
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Makschinchin: 4:42pm On Sep 15, 2019
africa4ever:

Prayer is a strong weapon and force in this endtime. May God help us all IJN in Jesus' Name. Thanks for sharing.

O dear! Always write In Jesus' Name in full instead of abbreviating it to IJN. Thank you
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by africa4ever: 4:54pm On Sep 15, 2019
jesusjnr:
Nice one, but it appears you left out the primary purpose of prayer which is the obedience of God's Word.

Matthew 26:41 (KJV)

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

To obey God's Word means the same thing as not falling into sin or temptation, and the reason the tempter comes to a person is make that person disobey God's Word, so prayer helps the person to make the tempter not succeed.

For a human being consists of two parts, the flesh and the spirit.

So while the flesh which emanated from the world is inclined to the things of the world such as sin and disobedience of God's Word, the spirit which came from God is inclined to the things of God such as the obedience of God's Word.

So prayer helps a human, who is also flesh, to interact with his spirit side life which is inclined to the obedience of God's Word, and hence helps the person not to sin or fall into temptation.

God bless.
Thanks a lot for that pointer. God bless you

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by africa4ever: 4:56pm On Sep 15, 2019
Wiseandtrue:
Even though God knows everything, we still need to communicate!!!

Feedbacks is an important chain that mustn't be broken!!!
Indeed you are right. Thanks for sharing

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by tintingz(m): 5:42pm On Sep 15, 2019
Etfash:


Since I am not all-knowing, I can't claim to have all answers, one reason I still need God.

The above notwithstanding, let me attempt to respond to your question as follows:

God is the Almighty - YES. However, He doesn't impose His will; one reason you and I have a free will. Unfortunately, the Omniscient nature of the Almighty God makes him come across as one who determined the destiny of all flesh. His Omnipotence also makes it further difficult for many to see him as good.

But, come to think of it, God sees the end from the beginning and puts plans in place to address issues to come. God knew what choices Adam and Eve, King Saul, King David, Judas Iscariot, Peter etc. would make before they made them and He made his decision based on what he saw upfront.

The question many of us begin to ask is "why didn't he stop men from making the wrong choices?". I believe He has the power to do so, but coercion isn't an act of love. So, the embodiment of love himself cannot be seen as such. But then, He gives second chances out of his benevolence.
You said we have freewill then again you said God has planned everything. If God knows everything and planned it, how is freewill working here?

Secondly, if God knows the outcome of Adam and Eve, why did he create them or didn't prevent any form of punishment on them?
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by valentinenw(f): 5:44pm On Sep 15, 2019
Because we have been given the power of choice, God can't force down his blessing on us, we have to choose to ask for it
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by tintingz(m): 5:53pm On Sep 15, 2019
Finallydead:


If u read my post again you'd see d answer to your question. God put man on earth not to suffer but coz he wanted him to be a part of a heavenly kingdom that has dos and donuts with real repercussions. Here is like a training ground so he wouldn't make costly mistakes in this heavenly kingdom. All the suffering of man on earth is due to one man's or another's wrong. So we can learn from this the consequence of not choosing Gods choices. However God has also provided a way out of all suffering which is choosing his ways, the more we do the better things will get with time.
If God didn't want human to suffer why then did he allow suffering to exist?

Why can't God just make human perfect and save all this unecessary drama?

You're a leader, you know the future and you have all the power to stop Boko Haram attack, why did you choose not to stop Boko Haram but allow them to destroy people's life?

About your second point, God has a preordained plan for everyone but he doesn't force us into it and yeah, it may never materialise for us if we don't follow his plans and demands. So the way God is in control is that WITH TIME his preordained will will eventually come to pass if not with you then someone else and if not today then tomorrow but surely
Preordaining someone's life means you already determine their life, how is freewill gonna work here?

You can't have freewill and again God has already predestined what your end will be, it's conflicting.

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Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by blueghost(m): 6:45pm On Sep 15, 2019
Matthew 7:7
Ask and it shall be given to you seek and ye shall find knock and the door shall be open

When God created man he gave him the power of free will that is power of choices. He didn't create you like a robot he wanted fellowship and it is in that fellowship you make your request known to God
Re: Why Do We Pray, Since God Already Knows Everything? by Finallydead: 6:59pm On Sep 15, 2019
tintingz:
If God didn't want human to suffer why then did he allow suffering to exist?

Why can't God just make human perfect and save all these unecessary drama?

You're a leader, you know the future and you have all the power to stop Boko Haram attack, why did you choose not to stop Boko Haram but allow them to destroy people's life?

Preordaining someone's life means you already determine their life, how is freewill gonna work here?

You can't have freewill and again God has already predestined what your end will be, it's conflicting.

You're asking reasonable questions but just a little problem, u seem to be asking from a position of God already got it wrong somewhere. Careful now! Whenever it seems that way, u can rightly assume you're just not seeing the whole picture Because God is a loving and just God and will do no evil to his creation and he dwells in the high heavens while you dwell on this low earth with a very myopic view compared to his Is 55:8-9 but as I said its ok to ask when u don't understand and to seek until you are satisfied.

Now to your query, God didn't create suffering, suffering is rather a state outside of his perfect design which we choose whenever we're tempted to go against his perfect will so we "create" and have been creating it even without knowing whenever we disobey Him. The story of Adam illustrates this There was no such suffering in Eden until Adam rebelled and continuous rebellion has led to increased suffering. God wants to rectify this that's why he came to suffer but he will have to have men cooperate with him and follow his righteousness because again he can effect nothing on earth without men's cooperation. Ps115:16, Mat 6:9-10.

Again you're totally wrong to think freewill cannot coexist with pre ordinations of God. I've already said so before, the preordination by God is for a certain goal and each of us is given the opportunity to do our part in fulfilling it but as that depends on our freewill we may never do it. That will not however stop Gods goal from being fulfilled boos someone else might even have to be born just to do what you failed to do and in the end Gods gaol is still accomplished. If I have a business and I want my sons to work with me and take it over eventually and they refuse, then if I were God I'd make me more children until I finally have some to do as I wish That way I don't force anyone to choose my will but I ensure my preordained will is eventually done.

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