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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by MrCork26: 3:55pm On Nov 11, 2010
Ok, so just becoz he write OnE book, he shuld get a price?? for just one book? is it becoz he IBO?
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by Dede1(m): 4:01pm On Nov 11, 2010
Noble Prize committee is mostly stuffed with conniving and deceptive liberal-minded Europeans who either perpetuated the crimes against humanity or looked the other way when their kinsmen commit same.

If the novel titled ‘Things Fall Apart” had slightly concurred in any way with the idiotically written and technically bereaved novel such as “Heart of Darkness” by Conrad in depicting Africans as savage beast, Achebe would have problem safeguarding his Noble Prize Awards.

The novel, Things Fall Apart, has achieved world-wide acclaims in every category imaginable and the goons on the Noble Prize committee could shove their stinking prize.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by aljharem(m): 4:06pm On Nov 11, 2010
chinua achebe is a great man

in as much as i do not like when he did not take obasanjo's award, i still think he is a brilliant man
Mr~Cork:

Ok, so just becoz he write OnE book, he shuld get a price??  for just one book? is it becoz he IBO?

mr cork, it is not because he is igbo(ibo) or because he wrote us one book

it is because he brings the sense of africa and also his book was from an african prospective ie how a typical african views things

so stop this ur igbo hating and get a life angry angry
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by Mbeki: 4:12pm On Nov 11, 2010
Mr~Cork:

Ok, so just becoz he write OnE book, he shuld get a price?? for just one book? is it becoz he IBO?

This Mr. Cork must be thinking with his C.O.C.K ; I've not seen any of his post as an output from the brain.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by MaiSuya(m): 4:45pm On Nov 11, 2010
Dede1:


The novel, Things Fall Apart, has achieved world-wide [b]acclaims in every category imaginable [/b]and the goons on the Noble Prize committee could shove their stinking prize.   


. . .except, unfortunately, The NOBEL PRIZE!!! grin
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by Ayowumie(m): 5:13pm On Nov 11, 2010
This post is educational. However, the poster expressed some bias which i also had at one point. It needs to be stated that Achebe has never been discriminated against on the bases on speaking against the hegemony tendencies of the West. No! far from it.

He just has not been lucky 'enough' to win the prize. Mind the use of the word lucky . . . .
If you are an ardent observer of the Nobel Prize quality-books, you would know that some times luck comes in.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by AjanleKoko: 6:28pm On Nov 11, 2010
He may yet win the prize. If he doesn't, it takes nothing from him as a writer.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by nic121: 11:10pm On Nov 11, 2010
he does not need a nobel to know that he is the best. you cannot take it from him. There is no war here.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by rhymz(m): 11:35pm On Nov 11, 2010
I like the divergent views expressed by many of the posters. I know my question is kind of derailing but I ve always wondered which of Wole Soyinka's books won him the nobel prize, unlike Achibe, I am not too familiar with many of Soyinka's works, just a few, the man died and some of his drama books. I mean he seems more like a political activist to me than a writer especially when one has to consider that he is a Nobel Laureat.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by manosteel(m): 12:39am On Nov 12, 2010
In my opinion, if Nobel prize is all about intellectualism, Chinua Achebe would have won it at one time or the other. I have read many african novels, Things fall apart and Arrow of God still remain my favourite. The simplicity and clarity of his writtings endear him to many. How can i forget Okonkwo in Things fall apart. While i was much more younger, i used to be almost moved to tears whenever i remembered the dealth of young Ikemefuna in things fall apart. His stories look so real and can easily be related to every African eviroment.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by SEFAGO(m): 12:39am On Nov 12, 2010
You dont win a nobel based on one book- its a collection of your work. I think

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by fstranger: 12:40am On Nov 12, 2010
rhymz:

I like the divergent views expressed by many of the posters. I know my question is kind of derailing but I ve always wondered which of Wole Soyinka's books won him the nobel prize, unlike Achibe, I am not too familiar with many of Soyinka's works, just a few, the man died and some of his drama books. I mean he seems more like a political activist to me than a writer especially when one has to consider that he is a Nobel Laureat.

Soyinka was given the prize after careful deliberation of his work based on  the toatlity of the books he wrote prior to when he was awarded the prize. He is not a one book star like our neighbour to the East.  

And to those claiming that Achebe was the first to write from an African's view point, did Soyinka write from an Indian's perspective? Truth be told, Achebe is a great writer, obviously better then 99% of the rest of the world, but not good enough for a nobel prize. That is the truth! He will never win the prize.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by kaydee(m): 12:42am On Nov 12, 2010
rhymz:

I like the divergent views expressed by many of the posters. I know my question is kind of derailing but I ve always wondered which of Wole Soyinka's books won him the nobel prize, unlike Achibe, I am not too familiar with many of Soyinka's works, just a few, the man died and some of his drama books. I mean he seems more like a political activist to me than a writer especially when one has to consider that he is a Nobel Laureat.

It wasn't just a book but his career as a whole.Among his plays special mention can be made of A Dance of the Forests and Death and the King's Horseman
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by kaydee(m): 12:56am On Nov 12, 2010
As already mentioned, it is chiefly the dramas that stand out as Wole Soyinka's most significant achievement. They are of course made to be acted on the stage, with dance, music, masques, and mime as essential components. But his plays can also be read as important and fascinating literary works from a richly endowed writer's experience and imagination - and with roots in a composite culture with a wealth of living and artistically inspiring traditions.

Dear Mr. Soyinka, In your versatile writings you have been able to synthesize a very rich heritage from your own country, ancient myths and old traditions, with literary legacies and traditions of European culture. There is a third component, a most important component in what you have thus achieved - your own genuine and impressive creativity as an artist, a master of language, and your commitment as a dramatist and writer of poetry and prose to problems of general and deep significance for man, modern or ancient. It is my privilege to convey to you the warm congratulations of the Swedish Academy and to ask you to receive this year's Nobel Prize for Literature from the hand of His Majesty the King.
An excerpt from Award Ceremony Presentation Speech by Professor Lars Gyllensten, of the Swedish Academy
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by kaydee(m): 1:15am On Nov 12, 2010
Mahatma Gandhi was never awarded the Nobel Prize. The strongest symbol of non-violence in the 20th century never received the Nobel Peace Prize despite several nominations (12 nominations between 1937 and 1948.)

So all y'all take a chill pill because Achebe might get the award someday.I'm sure he must have had several nominations too.Information about the nominations, investigations, and opinions concerning the award is kept secret for fifty years.


Jane Addams was nominated 91 times between 1916 and 1931, when she was finally awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by SEFAGO(m): 2:07am On Nov 12, 2010
And to those claiming that Achebe was the first to write from an African's view point, did Soyinka write from an Indian's perspective? Truth be told, Achebe is a great writer, obviously better then 99% of the rest of the world, but not good enough for a nobel prize. That is the truth! He will never win the prize.

He is good enough. When I was a kind because of Chinua Achebe's books- I really wanted to be igbo because he presented such a beautiful scene of a people (not to sound cliche) steeped in tradition and culture, and I always wanted to be part of that tradition. I think Achebe is superior in depth and more intelligent than Soyinka, if I compare their works. However, I think Soyinka fit the profile of a nobel prize winner. Think- Achebe writes prose while Soyinka is a playwright.

Nevertheless, To win a nobel you must do something unique in literature. While Achebe is good so is Camara Laye who wrote L'enfant noir (The black child). You think Achebe is good what about Leopold Senghor of Senegal. There are lots of prolific novelis in Africa especially in West Africa. You think say nigeria is the only country in africa sebi?

Notice, how many African playwrights do you know? How many have created universal drama? Soyinka was able to infuse traditiional Yoruba styles of story telling into 'European forms of drama' to create something fresh and unseen. In fact the oyibo man's view coincides with mine:

As already mentioned, it is chiefly the dramas that stand out as Wole Soyinka's most significant achievement. They are of course made to be acted on the stage, with dance, music, masques, and mime as essential components. But his plays can also be read as important and fascinating literary works from a richly endowed writer's experience and imagination - and with roots in a composite culture with a wealth of living and artistically inspiring traditions.

Dear Mr. Soyinka, In your versatile writings you have been able to synthesize a very rich heritage from your own country, ancient myths and old traditions, with literary legacies and traditions of European culture. There is a third component, a most important component in what you have thus achieved - your own genuine and impressive creativity as an artist, a master of language, and your commitment as a dramatist and writer of poetry and prose to problems of general and deep significance for man, modern or ancient. It is my privilege to convey to you the warm congratulations of the Swedish Academy and to ask you to receive this year's Nobel Prize for Literature from the hand of His Majesty the King




Soyinka is unique but he is not better than Achebe.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by akigbemaru: 2:16am On Nov 12, 2010
Please, anybody on this Nairaland, never called Black; a White. Haba, why Achebe? His equation never balanced and he wants to become first. Then, don’t misconstrue Noble Peace Price for Nobel Laureate. Despite we have had numerous African Americans or Africans who were/are talented and have come and gone. Wole Shoyinka is the only black man in this universe who has ever won a Noble Laureate – that speaks volume about him. But if you are talking about about Noble Peace Laureate, we can talk about Desmond Tutu, Martin Luther King Junior and co. Toni Morrison (African American) is also the only black female in this universe to ever win a Noble Laureate. She and Wole Shoyinka are just two elitists on their own (it may take another 500 years for any black to win it again – maybe Achebe may have it in his dreams or postmortem). Noble Laureate is too precious and it’s also issued once in a year to anybody that has demonstrated exceptional knowledge in Literature, Science, Physics and so on.

Remember again, Nobel Laureate not Noble Peace Laureate is only issued to just only one person in a year. To get it, you must be exotic. That’s why you see Wole Shoyinka hair stood up differently from other African people.

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by SEFAGO(m): 2:35am On Nov 12, 2010
Dont forget Sir Arthur Lewis from ST Lucia. PhD at LSE:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economics/laureates/1979/lewis-autobio.htm

NL in economics.

Yes ooo, Africans dominate peace prize. We like peace sha, judging from our political climate

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by isalegan2: 3:37am On Nov 12, 2010
SEFAGO:

, Nevertheless, To win a nobel you must do something unique in literature. While Achebe is good so is Camara Laye who wrote L'enfant noir (The black child). You think Achebe is good what about Leopold Senghor of Senegal. There are lots of prolific novelis in Africa especially in West Africa. You think say nigeria is the only country in africa sebi?

I can't count how many times Black people from all over the world, once they realize I am Nigerian, have come up to me and praised Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe.  On her birthday, I purchased the oldest edition I could find for a friend from Guyana who also loved it as a teen.  I guess, just as in Nigeria, many countries also make it required reading in the secondary schools.  

On the issue of Achebe's chances of winning a Nobel Prize in Literature?  Honestly, I don't see it. 
- How many countries have more than one Nobel in Literature Laureate?  
- The prize takes into consideration your body of work.  As much as I loved Things Fall Apart, the fact is some of Achebe's later works mayl actually count against him.  I dare anyone to try to read Anthills Of The Savannah and get more than 1/3 of the way.  It really was not to the standard I would expect an Achebe work to be.  No disrespect!  On the other hand, Toni Morrison won for Beloved, which was a poor imitation of Alice Walker's brilliant The Color Purple, so never mind.  grin

In all seriousness, we have a wealth of talented African writers that are not praised enough.  A couple have been mentioned by the poster I quoted.  

Another really wonderful writer, whose book, The Joys of Motherhood, rivals the best works of anyone, including those of Achebe and Soyinka, is a Nigerian woman named Buchi Emecheta.  It is truly haunting and superbly written.    


-Isale Gangan

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by EzeUche0(m): 4:02am On Nov 12, 2010
isale_gan2:



Another really wonderful writer, whose book, The Joys of Motherhood, rivals the best works of anyone, including those of Achebe and Soyinka, is a Nigerian woman named Buchi Emecheta.  It is truly haunting and superbly written.    


-Isale Gangan

Buchi Emecheta is an interesting choice. I only have read one of her novels and that was "The Rape of Shavi." It was a good novel. She is very underrated.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by webcool(m): 4:57am On Nov 12, 2010
Publishing his works

Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by PhysicsQED(m): 6:00am On Nov 12, 2010
rhymz:

I like the divergent views expressed by many of the posters. I know my question is kind of derailing but I ve always wondered which of Wole Soyinka's books won him the nobel prize, unlike Achibe, I am not too familiar with many of Soyinka's works, just a few, the man died and some of his drama books. I mean he seems more like a political activist to me than a writer especially when one has to consider that he is a Nobel Laureat.

They claim to have given it to him for the totality of his dramatic work. This I simply don't believe because[i] The Man Died[/i] is so far ahead of the rest of his work, and indeed ahead of anything written by any African in depth, passion, and brilliance. However, a few of his works of fiction stand out in my opinion:

1. Death and the King's Horseman (one of the first examples of African historical fiction, in that it adapted a real event and conflict to literature for our reflection and brought to our attention the existence of a culture and its conflicts with the colonizer's culture in a way that made us appreciate the seriousness and respect with which their ancestors viewed their culture. It elevated the profile of older African societies in a way, by showing that they too had kings, laws, protocol, things which they felt were sacred.

2. Season of Anomy (could be called the first, or at least one of the first significant, "philosophical novels" written by an African. I should note that many of the world's greatest novels are of the "philosophical" bent, in my opinion. It's a shame he didn't go further in this direction beyond just this one novel. Many of the world's greatest works of fiction, such as Dostoevsky's The Possessed, are really studies and critiques of societies and of man in general via storytelling.)

Then there are his many creative and original plays like The Road, The Lion and the Jewel, Madmen and Specialists, etc. that the Nobel committee claim they give him the award for. And they might be right and honest in saying this, and might feel that his many plays, many of them creative, original, and insightful, but some of them also rather mundane might be enough to win it for him, without regard to The Man Died, Season of Anomy, or his other work. I say this because if you've seen some of the literary nobodies/mediocrities they've been giving the award to recently, you'd realize that they seem to sometimes go out of their way to reward something that is new, unique, and offers a different perspective, without always requiring that the author's works be masterpiece-level or have "classic status."

Whatever you do though, avoid his first novel, The Interpreters, it's pretty awful.


In my opinion, almost all of Soyinka's best work is his nonfiction (which is fine, the Nobel has been awarded multiple times for outstanding nonfiction),

1. The Man Died
2. The Open Sore of a Continent: A Personal Narrative of the Nigerian Crisis
3. Myth, Literature, and the African World (especially interesting as he gives opinions on Achebe's Arrow of God, Cheikh Anta Diop and Chancellor Williams, Camara Laye, J.P. Clark, and many others)
4. Ake
5. You Must Set Forth at Dawn (anytime Soyinka starts writing in a memoir like style, he's amazing, and minimizes the use of the 12 letter words he seems so fond of)


Soyinka is also a decent poet:

"Telephone Conversation"

The price seemed reasonable, location
Indifferent. The landlady swore she lived
Off premises. Nothing remained
But self-confession. "Madam," I warned,
"I hate a wasted journey—I am African."
Silence. Silenced transmission of
Pressurized good-breeding. Voice, when it came,
Lipstick coated, long gold rolled
Cigarette-holder pipped. Caught I was foully.
"HOW DARK?" . . . I had not misheard . . . "ARE YOU LIGHT
OR VERY DARK?" Button B, Button A.* Stench
Of rancid breath of public hide-and-speak.
Red booth. Red pillar box. Red double-tiered
Omnibus squelching tar. It was real! Shamed
By ill-mannered silence, surrender
Pushed dumbfounded to beg simplification.
Considerate she was, varying the emphasis--
"ARE YOU DARK? OR VERY LIGHT?" Revelation came.
"You mean--like plain or milk chocolate?"
Her assent was clinical, crushing in its light
Impersonality. Rapidly, wave-length adjusted,
I chose. "West African sepia"--and as afterthought,
"Down in my passport." Silence for spectroscopic
Flight of fancy, till truthfulness clanged her accent
Hard on the mouthpiece. "WHAT'S THAT?" conceding
"DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS." "Like brunette."
"THAT'S DARK, ISN'T IT?" "Not altogether.
Facially, I am brunette, but, madam, you should see
The rest of me. Palm of my hand, soles of my feet
Are a peroxide blond. Friction, caused--
Foolishly, madam--by sitting down, has turned
My bottom raven black--One moment, madam!"--sensing
Her receiver rearing on the thunderclap
About my ears--"Madam," I pleaded, "wouldn't you rather
See for yourself?"







"Twelve Canticles for the Zealot"


I
He wakes from a prolonged delirium, swears
He has seen the face of God.
God help all those whose fever never raged
Or has subsided.

II
Perched on church steeple, minaret, cupola
Smug as misericords, gleeful as gargoyles
On gables of piety, the vampire acolyte
Waits to leap from private hell
To all four compass points—but will not voyage alone.
His variant on the doctored coin reads: Come with me or --
Go to—hell!

III
He craves a parity
Beyond the contents of his skull.
A hundred thousand
Vacuities of mind are soon
Cowed beneath the grace and power
Of one gossamer quill—yet
Beware the mute! Beware the furtive power
Of the mutant’s blade.

IV
The trade of healing takes strange turns.
Doctor and reservist, seeks the lethal path
To hearts of devotees in East Jerusalem,
Makes cadavers of believers turned
Eastwards in devotion—then turns the barrel
Inwards—still in hot pursuit?
For there are no post-mortems in the after-life
Though rigor mortis settles on the breath
Of peace.

V
They would be killers anyway, and anywhere.
Their world’s a hiatus. Jerked to life,
They suck the teats of piety, briefly shed
A long cocoon of death. Dead eyes,
A death humility, death wish, dead end,
A death asymmetry that befits
A death-bound unbeginning.

Their mentors live, and thrive, instruct.
Behold their vengeance for a living death—
Wielding infantile gums but—
Teethed at school.

VI
It was his own kind, nailed
Yitzak Rabin to crossroads of the Orient
Arms extended to the Heights
Of peace. Across the Suez, the ghost
Of his precursor on the viewing stand
Watched the grim replay of a familiar reel.

VII
Ogun came riding through the streets
Of Jerusalem. The Chosen barred his way.
His bright metallic lore was profanation,
Railed the wandering tribe, custodian now
Of streets and pathways, closed on hallowed days
To songs of iron and steel, even a child’s meandering
Bicycle, or infant’s crib.

Come war, will they deny
The aid of iron? Come death
Can they delay the caller’s blade
By plea of Sacred Feast?

The zealots’ hands
Are stretched to rock the erring vehicle,
But not as rock the cradle of an infant peace.
Claws of hate, and clasp of closure reach
From pole to pole, embracing
Convertites of every faith. The maiming,
Killing act is all.

VIII
A god is nowhere born, yet everywhere.
But Rama’s sect rejects that fine distinction—
The designated spot is sanctified, not for piety but—
For dissolution of yours from mine, politics of hate—
And forced exchange—peace for a moment’s ecstasy.
They turn a mosque to rubble, stone by stone,
Condemned usurper of Lord Rama’s vanished spot
Of dreamt epiphany. Now a cairn of stones
Usurps a dream of peace—can they dream peace
In iconoclast Uttar Pradesh?

IX
The meek shall inherit the earth ,
Blessed are the peacemakers ,
Shalom ,  Shalom ,  Shalom ,
Irosu wonrin, irosu wonrin.
Salaam ailekum, ailekum
Shanti ,  shanti ,  shanti ,
Oom ,  oom ,  oom ,  ooom ,

Seek havens of peace on ocean floors,
Submarine depths, in lost worlds, black holes
Collapsed galaxies, in hermit caves
In jungle fastnesses and arctic wastes
Thorns of crowns and hairy shirts, beds of nails,
The saintly cheek that turns the other side, but—
Not in texts, not by learned rote. It’s there
The unmeek prove inheritors of the earth.

They are the scripture grooms, possessive
To the last submissive dot. Punctilious
Guards of annotations, they sleepwalk blind to all
But the fatal hiatus:
Boom for oom and—sword for Word.
What is missing is—fulfilled!

X
Ile gbogbo nle orisa ee, ile gbogbo nle orisa
Ile gbogbo nle orisa ee, ile gbogbo nle orisa
Enia lo m’orisa w’aiye oo
Ile gbogbo nle orisa ee*

Invent your god and forge his will
The home of piety is the soul.
I come from Ogun’s land where
Women plant and teach and cure
Mould and build and cultivate,
Bestride the earth on sturdy thighs
Wipe sweat off open faces.
I come from Ogun’s land where
Women spurn the veil, and men
And earth rejoice!

XI
Cast the sanctimonious stone
And leave frail beauty shredded in the square
Of public shame. This murder
Is the rock of sin, the wayward veil
A mere pebble’s glint.

XII
Orunmila! Eleri ipin
Ibikeji Olodumare
Ajeju oogun
Obiriti, Ap’ijo iku da , **

Some words are coarse, obscene, indecent.
They make a case for censorship, such words as
Pagan, heathen, infidel, unbeliever, kafiri, etc.
The cleric swears he’ll sweep the streets clean
Of the unclean, armed with Book and Beard. Both
Turn kindling, but overturn the law of physics.
For the fire consumes all but the arsonist. He lives
To preach another day. The promised beast
Of the Apocalypse left me unbeliever
Till a rambling cleric apportioned death on CNN—
Surely that devil’s instrument!—on Taslim Nazreem.
She wrote of an equalising God, androgynous
Who deals, ambidextrous, with the Left and Right.

XIII
, and a thirteenth for the merely superstitious.
This thirteenth canticle for you, and let
Ill-luck infest your dreams awhile, stress your fears.
Not one but both—Friday and thirteen
Joined to press the entry of my world
Onto your calendar. Would I could boast
A triple six, a Grand Slam by Satan’s reckoning—
I would have long submerged the world
In cosmic laughter!

* All earth is the home of deities
All earth is the home of deities
It was mortals who brought the gods to the world
All earth is home of deities


** Orunmila, Hand that apportions Fate
Second only to the Supreme Deity
He who swallows the potency of herbs
Immense One, who turns aside the day of death



(from Samarkand and Other Markets I Have Known)



So to answer your question, he is as much a writer as he is political activist, and actually more of a writer as he' s touched on all major areas of writing: novels, plays, poetry, literary criticism, memoirs, non-fiction prose

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by PhysicsQED(m): 6:20am On Nov 12, 2010
fstranger:

Soyinka was given the prize after careful deliberation of his work based on  the toatlity of the books he wrote prior to when he was awarded the prize. He is not a one book star like our neighbour to the East.  

And to those claiming that Achebe was the first to write from an African's view point, did Soyinka write from an Indian's perspective? Truth be told, Achebe is a great writer, obviously better then 99% of the rest of the world, but not good enough for a nobel prize. That is the truth! He will never win the prize.


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No Longer At Ease
Arrow of God
A Man of the People
The Trouble With Nigeria
Home and Exile
Hopes and Impediments: Selected Essays


You've heard of none of these?

I'll assume that either a) you have heard of them, but are deliberately ignoring them so you can engage in some sort of ethnic or cultural chauvinism or b) you've never heard of any of these and thus, are speaking on somebody you know nothing about. Either way you sound kind of silly.

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by DapoBear(m): 6:25am On Nov 12, 2010
I need to step up my literature game. Too much time spent reading trash fantasy and sci-fi books, not enough time spent reading real literature undecided
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by PhysicsQED(m): 6:31am On Nov 12, 2010
akigbemaru:

Please, anybody on this Nairaland, never called Black; a White. Haba, why Achebe? His equation never balanced and he wants to become first. Then, don’t misconstrue Noble Peace Price for Nobel Laureate. Despite we have had numerous African Americans or Africans who were/are talented and have come and gone. Wole Shoyinka is the only black man in this universe who has ever won a Noble Laureate – that speaks volume about him. But if you are talking about about Noble Peace Laureate, we can talk about Desmond Tutu, Martin Luther King Junior and co. Toni Morrison (African American) is also the only black female in this universe to ever win a Noble Laureate. She and Wole Shoyinka are just two elitists on their own (it may take another 500 years for any black to win it again – maybe Achebe may have it in his dreams or postmortem). Noble Laureate is too precious and it’s also issued once in a year to anybody that has demonstrated exceptional knowledge in Literature, Science, Physics and so on.

Remember again, Nobel Laureate not Noble Peace Laureate is only issued to just only one person in a year. To get it, you must be exotic. That’s why you see Wole Shoyinka hair stood up differently from other African people.



@ the bolded, you're not really serious, are you? What's exotic about Toni Morrison?

Anyways, stop the chest beating. Toni Morrison is good but Achebe's work is better in most aspects and ultimately more important, and I think most readers and even the professional literary world (professors, writers, literary critics, etc.) would agree with me on this. The African American writers I would compare to Achebe in terms of importance and quality of work are Ralph Ellison and James Baldwin, definitely not Toni Morrison.

Anyways, as far as Nobel prizes go, tiny St. Lucia has produced two Nobel laureates (the economist Sir Arthur Lewis and the acclaimed poet Derek Walcott) and not just in the same field, while the supposed giant of Africa has only one in one field, so you should actually want the prize to be awarded to Achebe, if you are Nigerian, to at least catch up with St. Lucia in numbers (I never imagined I would type such words, but I've got to give St. Lucia, and the Caribbean their due credit).

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by Hussain555(m): 11:51am On Nov 12, 2010
See politics!

In this century, if a Nigerian invents something of the magnitude dynamite had in Alfred's time, the Western forces would label Nigeria as a terrorist country and the inventor, MOST WANTED!

The thing Nigeria needs is not to hustle and grind to get ''european titles'' but appreciate ourselves and our own indigenous works and underate theirs.

See China!
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by texazzpete(m): 12:17pm On Nov 12, 2010
Hussain555:

See politics!

In this century, if a Nigerian invents something of the magnitude dynamite had in Alfred's time, the Western forces would label Nigeria as a terrorist country and the inventor, MOST WANTED!

The thing Nigeria needs is not to hustle and grind to get ''european titles'' but appreciate ourselves and our own indigenous works and underate theirs.

See China!

1. The Nobel prize is a world prize.
2. Arms manufacturers are not labelled 'terrorists' in today's world. It's people who use those arms to slay innocent non-combatants (and their suppliers) that are tarred with the 'terrorist' brush.

I'm not sure what your reference to China was about, because Chinese people have happily won the Nobel prize before. if you want Nigeria to be more like China, spend less time on online forums making snarky comments and more time reading your books. Plus, pressure your leaders to do more for education.
It's not 'black pride' or 'self-appreciation' that will make Nigeria replicate the Chinese example. Fix your educational system, reduce corruption and eliminate this stupid ethnic/tribal bias and we're halfway there.

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Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by kildran: 12:53pm On Nov 12, 2010
@Ezeuche et al

All this talk about Achebe is sickening, Achebe is a brilliant writer. To be honest I believe his books are incontrovertibly the best for mainstream readers in Nigeria. Especially when one considers Wole Soyinka's style and his insistence that he doesn't write for all. Making "go get another book" one of his favorite mantras. However to think Achebe has been robbed of the prize is outlandish, infantile and baseless. There are so many good writers around the world, and I don't think I can conveniently say that Achebe is better than all past winners of the prize. You may want to say that if Soyinka has won the prize Achebe should also have won, but before you try to use this argument to recuse the panel, I will like to bring to your notice that Soyinka mostly writes plays, and Achebe writes novels. Plays are believed to be a tad difficult when compared with othr written literary works.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by Hussain555(m): 1:05pm On Nov 12, 2010
^^
european title was in quotes, I meant what I see it as.

I should spend less time on online forums? That, I cannot do because Nairaland has been educative, really educative. BTW, that advise should go to you, are u jobless or you are on 'compulsory leave'?

U say I should fix the educational system.
Oga, try n be useful, we'll remember your name in Naija

I should reduce corruption?
I am a student, dummy! You are in a betta position to do that, isn't it your generation and older that is in the working class?

Did I hear u say bias tribal comments?
That's what you and your fellow dummies do here!

Mister, go luk for job!
Keep typing, while your mates earn!
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by fstranger: 1:34pm On Nov 12, 2010
texazzpete:

1. The Nobel prize is a world prize.
2. Arms manufacturers are not labelled 'terrorists' in today's world. It's people who use those arms to slay innocent non-combatants (and their suppliers) that are tarred with the 'terrorist' brush.
I'm not sure what your reference to China was about, because Chinese people have happily won the Nobel prize before. if you want Nigeria to be more like China, spend less time on online forums making snarky comments and more time reading your books. Plus, pressure your leaders to do more for education.
It's not 'black pride' or 'self-appreciation' that will make Nigeria replicate the Chinese example. Fix your educational system, reduce corruption and eliminate this silly ethnic/tribal bias and we're halfway there.

You seem to have misunderstood the overrall theme of the post you replied to. The Nobel prize is absolutely not a world prize. It is an European prize, occasionally given to non-Europeans just so to make it look more legit. Achebe knows that quite fine, saying: My position is that the Nobel Prize is important. But it is a European prize. It's not an African prize.

So would you agree with me that your statement above makes your beloved country, the US of A, a terrorist country. As for your smart as.s remark regarding Nigeria's educational system, you have no right whatsover to make such a rude comment. It makes you look ignorant and silly.
Re: Hon. Chinua Achebe And Nobel Prize Committee: The Brewing And Unending Cold War by Ymodulus: 3:31pm On Nov 12, 2010
nobel kooo prize nii

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