NB: The aim of this post is to affirm the Muslim belief in their Books and Prophets and to disbelieve in rumors and unproven narrations about Prophets of Allah from other sources.
Whoever suffers headache as a result of this post should either seek medical assistance or use two tabs of Paracetamol, Acetaminophen, Diclofenac or Ibuprofen.

It is one of the pillar of Islam for a Muslim to believe in the Prophets. These Prophets includes Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs only to Allah! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people or community. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

We believe whatever had been narrated concerning the Prophets in our Books.
Anything outside these:

i. will be true if confirmed by the Qur'an or Sunnah,
ii. will be False if rejected by the Qur'an or Sunnah.
iii. may be doubtful and should be disregarded.

Muslims should not believe all the narrations about previous Prophets they hear/read except it is in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Examples of these narrations includes:

1. Noah became drunk with wine till he became naked. ( A Prophet can not drink wine or behave this way. This happened after the flood. )

2. David saw beautiful Bathsheba while bathing. He then brought her to himself and laid with her. He later killed her husband(Uriah) so that he could marry her. ( A Prophet that was inspired by God can not commit adultery, murder or covet other's wife. These are grave sins. Prophet Dawud used to fast one day and eat the next. Moreover Jesus was usually called the son of David. Is it this same David?)

3. Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac. (In Islam, it was Ishmael his first son he wanted to sacrifice)

4. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's two daughters made their father drunk and then slept with him in turns over two consecutive nights! (Prophet Lut can not be involved in incestuous rape. This could not have happened as it would defeat the reason why they were saved from the destruction. God saved them from homosexuality only for them to embrace incest. This is impossible.) Incest is greater than Homo)

5. Crucifixion of Jesus and his claim of divinity or being God. (The Qur'an says Prophet "Eesa was not Cruxified. He was a man strengthened with the Spirit. Follow this link to see what Muslims believe about Jesus https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

Prophets are honorable people who are to be role models for people sometimes even beyond their times. Hence they are protected from some grave mistakes as highlighted above.

Other examples are found below from my honored Bro AbdulHakeem44.

Rashduct4luv:
It is one of the pillar of Islam for a Muslim must to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs only to Allah! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people or community. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

We believe whatever had been narrated concerning the Prophets in our Books.
Anything outside these:

i. will be true if confirmed by the Qur'an or Sunnah,
ii. will be False if rejected by the Qur'an or Sunnah.
iii. may be doubtful and should be disregarded.

Muslims should not believe all the narrations about previous Prophets they hear/read except it is in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Examples of these narrations includes:

1. Noah became drunk with wine. ( A Prophet can not drink wine or behave in this way. This happened after the flood)

2. David saw beautiful Bathsheba while bathing. He then brought her to himself and laid with her. He later killed her husband(Uriah) so that he can marry her. ( A Prophet can not commit adultery, murder or covet other's wife. These are grave sins. Prophet Dawud used to fast one day and eat the next.)

3. Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac. (In Islam, it was Ishmael his first son he wanted to sacrifice)

4. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's two daughters made their father drunk and then slept with him in turns over two consecutive nights! (Prophet Lut can not be involved in incestuous rape. This could not have happened as it would defeat the reason why they were saved from the destruction)

5. Crucifixion of Jesus and his claim of divinity or being God. (The Qur'an says Prophet "Eesa was not Cruxified. He was a man strengthened with the Spirit. Follow this link to see what Muslims believe about Jesus https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

Prophets are honorable people who are to be role models for people sometimes even beyond their times. Hence they are protected from some grave mistakes as highlighted above.

To be continued...

Stop shaking a table made of glass; it might hurt you. Can you provide a complete quranic narrative of the events you highlighted?

Rashduct4luv:
It is one of the pillar of Islam for a Muslim must to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs only to Allah! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people or community. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

We believe whatever had been narrated concerning the Prophets in our Books.
Anything outside these:

i. will be true if confirmed by the Qur'an or Sunnah,
ii. will be False if rejected by the Qur'an or Sunnah.
iii. may be doubtful and should be disregarded.

Muslims should not believe all the narrations about previous Prophets they hear/read except it is in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Examples of these narrations includes:

1. Noah became drunk with wine. ( A Prophet can not drink wine or behave in this way. This happened after the flood)

2. David saw beautiful Bathsheba while bathing. He then brought her to himself and laid with her. He later killed her husband(Uriah) so that he can marry her. ( A Prophet can not commit adultery, murder or covet other's wife. These are grave sins. Prophet Dawud used to fast one day and eat the next.)

3. Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac. (In Islam, it was Ishmael his first son he wanted to sacrifice)

4. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's two daughters made their father drunk and then slept with him in turns over two consecutive nights! (Prophet Lut can not be involved in incestuous rape. This could not have happened as it would defeat the reason why they were saved from the destruction)

5. Crucifixion of Jesus and his claim of divinity or being God. (The Qur'an says Prophet "Eesa was not Cruxified. He was a man strengthened with the Spirit. Follow this link to see what Muslims believe about Jesus https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

Prophets are honorable people who are to be role models for people sometimes even beyond their times. Hence they are protected from some grave mistakes as highlighted above.

To be continued...

JazaakaLLāhu khairan.

Others include

Prophet Sulaimon having 300 wives and 800 concubines

Ilyas was taken to heaven alive

Prophet Haroon accused of making an idol from golden calf to the Israelites as against Islamic teachings. No prophet of ALLāh ever practice or promote idolatory and shirk.

And many more. Though we are not surprised because the creator of these prophets (GOD) was badly qualified with degrading qualities in the so called Holy book, examples include

a) God regretted he had made man

b) the foolishness of God is wiser than the Wisdom of men

c) And God woke up from sleep like a like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor.
Etc

If God can suffer these drefamations, how much more the prophets.

May ALLāh safeguard us from lying against the prophets

true2god:
Stop shaking a table made of glass; it might hurt you. Can you provide a complete quranic narrative of the events you highlighted?

There's no way tables won't shake anyways whether glass or wood. The Qur'an verses never says Prophets commit grave mistakes. However they are prone to minor mistakes. Grave mistakes including idol worshiping, Adultery, Incest, Murder, stealing, drunkenness, covetousness,etc.

AbdulHakeem44:


JazaakaLLāhu khairan.

Others include

Prophet Sulaimon having 300 wives and 800 concubines

Ilyas was taken to heaven alive

Prophet Haroon accused of making an idol from golden calf to the Israelites as against Islamic teachings. No prophet of ALLāh ever practice or promote idolatory and shirk.

And many more. Though we are not surprised because the creator of these prophets (GOD) was badly qualified with degrading qualities in the so called Holy book, examples include

a) God regretted he had made man

b) the foolishness of God is wiser than the Wisdom of men

c) And God woke up from sleep like a like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor.
Etc

If God can suffer these drefamations, how much more the prophets.

May ALLāh safeguard us from lying against the prophets

Aamin bro.

I think i will do another post for that of God later. I will update this one with your suggestions too but lets start with that of Prophets.

Rashduct4luv:
There's no way tables won't shake anyways whether glass or wood. The Qur'an verses never says Prophets commit grave mistakes. However they are prone to minor mistakes. Grave mistakes including idol worshiping, Adultery, Incest, Murder, stealing, drunkenness, covetousness,etc.

The issue the quran has is that every Dick and Harry in the Jewish and Christian scripture is a prophet. Islam called Adam a prophet without him making a single prophecy. The quran called Lot a prophet without Lot giving a single prophesy, etc. For the fact that a name appears in the Bible does not make him/her a prophet.

You muslims condemned biblical detailed narratives concerning Lot, Noah, Solomon, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc but the quran has no single narrative on any of these people. If a writer writes about how his father was born, where he was born, who have birth to his father, where his father grew up, the job his father did in his youthful age, how he good drunk at a time, and how he later beat and divorced his wife. And another writer, 70 years later, came and disregard all what he wrote by simply saying 'the man never drink for once', does that makes sense to you? This is the exact position the quran takes when it comes to the bible. The Bible gives a detailed analysis of events while the quran, poorly written and disorganized, will simply say 'the never killed him, it was meant to appear so' (FULL STOP). This is a nonsensical and illogical way of making a logical argument which the quran is notorious for.

I will analyse the points you made one by one when I am free.

Rashduct4luv:
1. Noah became drunk with wine. ( A Prophet can not drink wine or behave in this way. This happened after the flood)

Yes the Bible recorded that Noah became drunk and lost all rationality. He became nakedd, unknowingly, because he was drunk, and one of his sons saw his nakeddness and instead of covering his father's nakeddness, he laughed and made scorn of his father. What's the consequence? Noah placed a curse on him that his descendants will forever be a slave to the descendants of his siblings.

Whats the lesson to learn here.

1) Never get drunk such that you lose all sense of rationality.

2) Never make mockery of your father no matther what the case or situtation might be. Honour your father and your mother so that you (or your descendants) won't be a slave to your siblings. Personally, my mother was born poor but she was the most respectful and honorable among all her siblings towards my grand parents. What's the result? The children my mother gave birth are the most educated and successful in my maternal family tree.

3) The quran never gave her own version of the 'Noah incidence' but muslims, typically, condemned this biblical account without giving an alternative narration of events.

So it will be fair enough if you can provide a detailed Islamic account of the aforementioned event for a logical reconciliation of event.

Rashduct4luv:
2. David saw beautiful Bathsheba while bathing. He then brought her to himself and laid with her. He later killed her husband(Uriah) so that he can marry her. ( A Prophet can not commit adultery, murder or covet other's wife. These are grave sins. Prophet Dawud used to fast one day and eat the next.)

The Bible recorded that David saw the nakeddness of Bathsheba, while she was bathing, and lusted after her. This is a true event according to the bible and the bible didnt try to hide the sins of men, no matter how highly placed they are because God is not a respecter of man. David commited sin by his action, against Bathsheba and her husband, and God punished him for that. God is not allah who gave mohammed a special privilege (quran 33:50-53). David was punished for his action and the son that was born from the ilicit relationship was killed by God.

So what are the consequences of David's actions?

1) God killed the son that was born from that illicit relationship.

2) God cursed David that sword will not depart from his house, that is conflicts.

3) David has to write Psalm 51 because of this incident.

What lesson do we learn from here?

1) Do not covet your neighbour's wife.

2) Do no kill your fellow man because of a woman

3) Do not bath outside such that men will be enticed because of your beauty.

4) Always ask for forgiveness and repent from it whenever you commit sin (psalm 51).

Can we get the Islamic narrative of these event?

Rashduct4luv:
3. Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac. (In Islam, it was Ishmael his first son he wanted to sacrifice

This is subjective and the narrative is dependent on your religious affiliation. The Jews and the christians believed it was Isaac while mohammed believed it was Ishmeal that was to be sacrificed. However going by quranic injuctions, the quran is to be validated by what is written in the Torah and the Injil and not the other way round.

Rashduct4luv:
4. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's two daughters made their father drunk and then slept with him in turns over two consecutive nights! (Prophet Lut can not be involved in incestuous rape. This could not have happened as it would defeat the reason why they were saved from the destruction)

This is a very bad thing but that does not mean it never happened. Besides, Lot is not a prophet, at least going by the Jewish and christian beliefs and theology. How did it happen that Lot's daughter commited incest with their father? Was the affair consensual? It was never a consensual relationship; the daughters, desperate to have children (because the lost their husbands in Sodom), got their father drunk, had sex with him, got pregnant and bore children.

What is the consequnence of their action?

1) The seed they produced were cursed and they multiply to become the Moabites.

2) The spiritual link between Abraham and Lot was broken. While Abraham's seed was blessed, the seed of Lot was in contant sufferings war and hostility.

3) The land of Moab was cursed and it became barren and a desert that was unproductive.

The lessons learnt:

1) Incentious relationship is bad no matter the reason.

2) Lot's daughters were desperate instead of praying to God to help them with another husbands.

3) Short-cut is never the answer to a man's problem; the future for the 'short-cut' is always fraught with disappointments, despair and regrets.

Can you please provide the quranic narrative to this event?

Rashduct4luv:
5. Crucifixion of Jesus and his claim of divinity or being God. (The Qur'an says Prophet "Eesa was not Cruxified. He was a man strengthened with the Spirit. Follow this link to see what Muslims believe about Jesus https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

The crucifixtion of Jesus christ is both recorded as a historical and theological facts. Through the new testaemnt gospel, Jesus spoke about his death. The quran also talked about this in quran 19:33:

And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected..

The Islamic John the baptist also echoed same sentiment:

And peace be on him, the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life again! (quran 19:15).

While muslims agreed that John the Baptist died, how will they reconcile the fact that both made the same pronouncemnt but with diferent theological results in Islam?

As for the deitiship of christ, christians believed in the Trinity as the father (God), the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit (the comforter). Mohammed's concept of the trinity is God, Jesus and Mary, a belief not held by any christian. Mohammed got the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, in the quran, hence his confusion.

true2god:
The issue the quran has is that every Dick and Harry in the Jewish and Christian scripture is a prophet. Islam called Adam a prophet without him making a single prophecy. The quran called Lot a prophet without Lot giving a single prophesy, etc. For the fact that a name appears in the Bible does not make him/her a prophet.

You muslims condemned biblical detailed narratives concerning Lot, Noah, Solomon, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc but the quran has no single narrative on any of these people. If a writer writes about how his father was born, where he was born, who have birth to his father, where his father grew up, the job his father did in his youthful age, how he good drunk at a time, and how he later beat and divorced his wife. And another writer, 70 years later, came and disregard all what he wrote by simply saying 'the man never drink for once', does that makes sense to you? This is the exact position the quran takes when it comes to the bible. The Bible gives a detailed analysis of events while the quran, poorly written and disorganized, will simply say 'the never killed him, it was meant to appear so' (FULL STOP). This is a nonsensical and illogical way of making a logical argument which the quran is notorious for.

I will analyse the points you made one by one when I am free.

The Qur'an is not a story book. It is a template model for our life. Of what benefit are all these your stories to human kind? Can you even read that place where David was admiring Bathsheba as she was bathing from the balcony window to your young girl? There are useful narratives on some of the Prophets in the Qur'an and we don't need the details as we are sufficient with what Allah gave us. The Claim that there is no single narrative on any of the Prophet is a mistake from you.

You last statement is illogical and irrational. A later book can be better edited than a previous book and vice versa.

I have always said Muslims and Quran had failed for centuries to prove that Jesus Christ was not crucified. This event has results into diverse theology theories among Muslims.
There is no enough evidence to prove that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross . It was just a claim which has not been prove.

Bible is not only historical text that proved Jesus crucifixion

Jewish historians proved it
Roman's historians proved it.
Greek historians proved it.
Indonesia historians proved it.
Truth be told, Quran has denied historical reality replacing it with unproven claim and, absurdity faith.
Thank you

Solohmony:
I have always said Muslims and Quran had failed for centuries to prove that Jesus Christ was not crucified. This event has results into diverse theology theories among Muslims.
There is no enough evidence to prove that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross . It was just a claim which has not been prove.

Bible is not only historical text that proved Jesus crucifixion

Jewish historians proved it
Roman's historians proved it.
Greek historians proved it.
Indonesia historians proved it.
Truth be told, Quran has denied historical reality replacing it with unproven claim and, absurdity faith.
Thank you

the gosple of Barnabas one of the desciples (peace be upon them) wrote something different from paul. I'd rather believe Barnabas than paul. Read the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of saint Thomas.

najib632:
the gosple of Barnabas one of the desciples (peace be upon them) wrote something different from paul. I'd rather believe Barnabas than paul. Read the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of saint Thomas.

All that gospels have been prove to be historical incorrect and have been declared herecy. Get the fact correctly Paul did not have any gospel other that what Jesus Christ and disciples preach. Please don't make stupid claim prove Paul gospel in the Bible with sound references.

There is no peace for the living ones you are begging for peace for the dead people.

Solohmony:


All that gospels have been prove to be historical incorrect and have been declared herecy. Get the fact correctly Paul did not have any gospel other that what Jesus Christ and disciples preach. Please don't make stupid claim prove Paul gospel in the Bible with sound references.

There is no peace for the living ones you are begging for peace for the dead people.

How would'nt they be historically incorrect when the Romans have'nt adultrated them. You should apply wisdom in doing things, these books you are calling adultrated were used by christians centuries ago. Have'nt you heard of monotheist christians such as Salman the persian (max Allah be pleased with him) and Waraqa bin Nawfal? What about the dead sea scrolls? Guy read for yourself, don't just jump into conclusions.

najib632:
How would'nt they be historically incorrect when the Romans have'nt adultrated them. You should apply wisdom in doing things, these books you are calling adultrated were used by christians centuries ago. Have'nt you heard of monotheist christians such as Salman the persian (max Allah be pleased with him) and Waraqa bin Nawfal? What about the dead sea scrolls? Guy read for yourself, don't just jump into conclusions.

Go read the history of those scrolls. They are written in late centuries not first century gospels like Mark, John, Matthew and Luke. Those gospels are not written by early Christians and the disciples that witness the life of Jesus Christ. How would you turn away from evidence provided by real witnesses to gnostic writers who are not even Christians? My guy argue with facts not fiction. Don't let prejudice block your reasoning .

true2god:
The crucifixtion of Jesus christ is both recorded as a historical and theological facts. Through the new testaemnt gospel, Jesus spoke about his death. The quran also talked about this in quran 19:33:
And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected..
The Islamic John the baptist also echoed same sentiment:
And peace be on him, the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life again! (quran 19:15).
While muslims agreed that John the Baptist died, how will they reconcile the fact that both made the same pronouncemnt but with diferent theological results in Islam?

Taking one verse and dropping another related verse is called cherry picking.

“And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:
But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All Powerful, All Wise”[al-Nisaa’ 4:157-158]

So Eesa (peace be upon him) did not die, rather Allaah raised him up to Himself, and he will descend before the Day of Resurrection and will follow Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He will prove the Jews to be wrong in their claim to have killed ‘Eesa and crucified him. And he will prove the Christians to be wrong who exaggerated about him and said that he was God, or the son of God, or the third of three. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah (tax paid my non-Muslims in an Islamic state), and money will become so widespread that there will be no one who will accept it.” (Agreed upon; narrated by Muslim, no. 155).

true2god:
As for the deitiship of christ, christians believed in the Trinity as the father (God), the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit (the comforter). Mohammed's concept of the trinity is God, Jesus and Mary, a belief not held by any christian. Mohammed got the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, in the quran, hence his confusion.

Not all Christians believe in the trinity We have the Unitarian Christians. So don't act as if you are unaware. I think you are the confused one here.

Which verse of the Qur'an states that Christians trinity composes of God , Jesus and Mary?

true2god:
This is a very bad thing but that does not mean it never happened. Besides, Lot is not a prophet, at least going by the Jewish and christian beliefs and theology. How did it happen that Lot's daughter commited incest with their father? Was the affair consensual? It was never a consensual relationship; the daughters, desperate to have children (because the lost their husbands in Sodom), got their father drunk, had sex with him, got pregnant and bore children.

What is the consequnence of their action?

1) The seed they produced were cursed and they multiply to become the Moabites.

2) The spiritual link between Abraham and Lot was broken. While Abraham's seed was blessed, the seed of Lot was in contant sufferings war and hostility.

3) The land of Moab was cursed and it became barren and a desert that was unproductive.

The lessons learnt:

1) Incentious relationship is bad no matter the reason.

2) Lot's daughters were desperate instead of praying to God to help them with another husbands.

3) Short-cut is never the answer to a man's problem; the future for the 'short-cut' is always fraught with disappointments, despair and regrets.

Can you please provide the quranic narrative to this event?

Sorry, The Qur'an does promote incest.Can you read this incestuous rape to your girl child as the word of God? Probably she too may out of desperation rape her father with wine when she is unable to get boyfriend.

The Qur'an narrated about the destruction of the People of Lot who were homosexuals. Disobedient and rebellious people perished after several warnings from the Prophet Lot. Morals highlighted. Case closed.

Why did God save Lot and his daughters from Homosexualism only for them to pollute the earth with incest or God is unaware of their future actions?
Astagfirullaha wa atubu ilahi

true2god:
This is subjective and the narrative is dependent on your religious affiliation. The Jews and the christians believed it was Isaac while mohammed believed it was Ishmeal that was to be sacrificed. However going by quranic injuctions, the quran is to be validated by what is written in the Torah and the Injil and not the other way round.

The first born child was sacrificed and the second born. That's our belief and we are not here to state your belief.

Solohmony:



Go read the history of those scrolls. They are written in late centuries not first century gospels like Mark, John, Matthew and Luke. Those gospels are not written by early Christians and the disciples that witness the life of Jesus Christ. How would you turn away from evidence provided by real witnesses to gnostic writers who are not even Christians? My guy argue with facts not fiction. Don't let prejudice block your reasoning .

You have'nt said anything to prove or atleast give a hint to what you're claiming. The gosple of Barnabas was found by the Turkish customs officials in the hands of smugglers and then it was confiscated from them. It was handed over to the Turkish national Museum and it was carbon dated and found out to be 2000 years old. It was written with gold and it was in Aramaic, the language of Jesus A.S. This is enough to prove its originality and I watched this on Aljazeera so I have an excellent proof. The gosple of saint Thomas on the other hand was found in egypt by archeologists. It was carbon dated and found out to be 800 years old. It contained stories the Christians have forgotten about Jesus A.S. But these stories were contained in the Qur'an, thus this proves its originality and correctness. The dead see scrolls are being hidden from the public, if there was truthfulness in their affairs, the Britons wouldn't hid them. You better don't lie to yourself, I'd rather follow Barnabas and Thomas (may peace be upon them) than Paul. Barnabas' surname was also written in his gospel but I can't recall it and I just ran out of data, you can look it up yourself.

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an is not a story book. It is a template model for our life. Of what benefit are all these your stories to human kind? Can you even read that place where David was admiring Bathsheba as she was bathing from the balcony window to your young girl? There are useful narratives on some of the Prophets in the Qur'an and we don't need the details as we are sufficient with what Allah gave us. The Claim that there is no single narrative on any of the Prophet is a mistake from you.

Can you please provide any 'useful' narrative on ANY prophet using the quran. Kindly give me the surah and the ayah. I listed the life lesson each biblica; event taught us but you choosed to ignore. The bible is not a story book like 'tales by moonlight' but a recorded event to serve as a guide for the future generation. While muslims condemn the bible, they however have no other source to go to in order to have a complete narrative of how some events took place. Many ayah and surah in the quran does not make sense without muslims using the Bible to get a better picture of the event.

Rashduct4luv:
You last statement is illogical and irrational. A later book can be better edited than a previous book and vice versa.

How was the quran edited to give a better narrative of how some events happened in the bible. Mention a single biblical events that the quran threw a comprehensive and a brighter light on? As I said ealier, reading (not reciting) the quran alone without reference to other materials (like the Torah and the injil, the hadith and the seerah) will give one a serious headache because it is poorly arranged and in most cases does not make sense, even to a six year old child.

najib632:
the gosple of Barnabas one of the desciples (peace be upon them) wrote something different from paul. I'd rather believe Barnabas than paul. Read the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of saint Thomas.

Can you send a screenshot of a single page of the so-called 'gosple of Barnabas'? Do you, or any muslim, have the copy? Have you seen the 'gosple of Barnabas' with your own eyes?

true2god:
The Bible recorded that David saw the nakeddness of Bathsheba, while she was bathing, and lusted after her. This is a true event according to the bible and the bible didnt try to hide the sins of men, no matter how highly placed they are because God is not a respecter of man. David commited sin by his action, against Bathsheba and her husband, and God punished him for that. God is not allah who gave mohammed a special privilege (quran 33:50-53). David was punished for his action and the son that was born from the ilicit relationship was killed by God.

So what are the consequences of David's actions?

1) God killed the son that was born from that illicit relationship.

2) God cursed David that sword will not depart from his house, that is conflicts.

3) David has to write Psalm 51 because of this incident.

What lesson do we learn from here?

1) Do not covet your neighbour's wife.

2) Do no kill your fellow man because of a woman

3) Do not bath outside such that men will be enticed because of your beauty.

4) Always ask for forgiveness and repent from it whenever you commit sin (psalm 51).

Can we get the Islamic narrative of these event?

Qur'an doesn't narrate lust, murder, adultery and covetousness of a Prophet. All Prophets as stated earlier are humans capable of making mistakes but not as grave as these. Prophet David was free from all these. He was a messenger inspired with the Zabur. How can someone God inspired be capable of making many grave mistakes like this? Will you say God made a mistake in appointing David? Even Jesus was called the son of David, the murderer of Uriah, Adulterer and Coveter of Uriah's wife.

The Islamic narration is honorable. David was inspired to kill Goliath. It has been transmitted by Ibn 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said:

"The prayer which Allah loves most is the prayer of Da'wud. The fast which Allah loves most is that of Da'wud. He used to sleep for half of the night, stand up in prayer for a third and sleep for a sixth. He would fast every other day. He wore wool and slept on hair. He ate barley bread with salt and ashes. He mixed his drink with tears. He was never seen to laugh after his error nor to look directly at the sky because of his shyness before his Lord and he continued to weep for the rest of his life. It is said that he wept until plants sprang up from his tears and until tears formed ridges in his cheeks. It is said that he went out in disguise to learn what people thought of him, and hearing himself praised only made him more humble."
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, Abu Da'wud, An-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah. From Ash-Shifa' of Qadhi 'Iyad 1:2:24

true2god:
Can you send a screenshot of a single page of the so-called 'gosple of Barnabas'? Do you, or any muslim, have the copy? Have you seen the 'gosple of Barnabas' with your own eyes?

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true2god:
Yes the Bible recorded that Noah became drunk and lost all rationality. He became nakedd, unknowingly, because he was drunk, and one of his sons saw his nakeddness and instead of covering his father's nakeddness, he laughed and made scorn of his father. What's the consequence? Noah placed a curse on him that his descendants will forever be a slave to the descendants of his siblings.

Whats the lesson to learn here.

1) Never get drunk such that you lose all sense of rationality.

2) Never make mockery of your father no matther what the case or situtation might be. Honour your father and your mother so that you (or your descendants) won't be a slave to your siblings. Personally, my mother was born poor but she was the most respectful and honorable among all her siblings towards my grand parents. What's the result? The children my mother gave birth are the most educated and successful in my maternal family tree.

3) The quran never gave her own version of the 'Noah incidence' but muslims, typically, condemned this biblical account without giving an alternative narration of events.

So it will be fair enough if you can provide a detailed Islamic account of the aforementioned event for a logical reconciliation of event.

The Ark and the flood was highlighted in the Qur'an. Those who heed to the voice of the Prophet Noah and entered in to the ark were saved. And the disobedient ones perished. The Qur'an does not portray drunkenness. How can someone inspired by God to build an ark and save the believers now resort to drinking wine till he was drunk and became naked....

We don't believe such stories.

Rashduct4luv:
Taking one verse and dropping another related verse is called cherry picking.

“And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:
But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All Powerful, All Wise”[al-Nisaa’ 4:157-158]

So Eesa (peace be upon him) did not die, rather Allaah raised him up to Himself, and he will descend before the Day of Resurrection and will follow Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He will prove the Jews to be wrong in their claim to have killed ‘Eesa and crucified him. And he will prove the Christians to be wrong who exaggerated about him and said that he was God, or the son of God, or the third of three. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah (tax paid my non-Muslims in an Islamic state), and money will become so widespread that there will be no one who will accept it.” (Agreed upon; narrated by Muslim, no. 155).

Jesus is alledged, in the quran, to have made this statement:

So peace is on me (Jesus) the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life!(quran 19:33, Yusuf Ali). So who do I believe? Jesus that came 600 years ealier and allegedly said and I quote again:

So peace is on me (Jesus) the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life,

Or mohammed who came 600 years later and said:

And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)

And if you take a critical look at the verse above you will agree with me that allah DECEIVE the people to think that Jesus was crucified while he replaced Jesus christ with another person. This means that allah deceived the present-day Jews and christian into believing a delusion that Jesus actually dies while he did not. Who is to blame for christians believing Jesus was crucified? Allah of course because he deceived over 2.5billion christians to belive in an event that never took place. I am actually going by your Islamic narrative of allah substution method in this particular scenario.

Rashduct4luv:
Not all Christians believe in the trinity We have the Unitarian Christians. So don't act as if you are unaware. I think you are the confused one here. Which verse of the Qur'an states that Christians trinity composes of God , Jesus and Mary?

Yes not all christians believed in the Trinity, like the Jehovah's witnesses. The Jehovah's witnesses did not also believe in heaven or hell. They are heretical christians and are fringe minority, not up to 1%.

As for the verse where mohammed got the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, see the ayah below:

And when Allah said, "O Isa, son (of) Maryam! Did you say to the people, "Take me (Jesus) and my mother (Mary) two gods besides Allah?" He said, "Glory be to You! Not was for me that I say what not I (had) right. If I had said it, then surely You would have known it. You know what (is) in myself, and not I know what (is) in Yourself. Indeed, You, You (are) All-Knower (of) the unseen.(quran 5:116)

No christian denomination teach or believe in what mohammed claimed in the ayah above. Mohammed misunderstood the christian concept of Trinity which is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (and not Mary). Mohammed goofed big time here.

Rashduct4luv:
Sorry, The Qur'an does promote incest.Can you read this incestuous rape to your girl child as the word of God? Probably she too may out of desperation rape her father with wine when she is unable to get boyfriend.

The Bible completely condemn incetiuous relationship. See details below,

Leviticus 20:17:
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.

Read Leviticus 18:8–18 and Deuteronomy 27:22-25, you will get full reading where God condemned incest and placed curse on whoever engaged in such. However allah in quran 33:50-53 approves such for mohammed.

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an narrated about the destruction of the People of Lot who were homosexuals. Disobedient and rebellious people perished after several warnings from the Prophet Lot. Morals highlighted. Case closed.

Mohammed lifted the story from the Bible and replicated it in the quran. It was not a strange or new story during the time of mohammed; he heard it from the Jews and the Christians around Medina during his lifetime. I can actually say that Allah revealed to me that in 1999 Olusegun Obasanjo was Nigeria's head of state. How can you call an already recorded event a revelation from allah and recorded in the quran while the Jews have been aware of it for over 3000 years before mohammed?

Rashduct4luv:
Why did God save Lot and his daughters from Homosexualism only for them to pollute the earth with incest or God is unaware of their future actions?

Man is a freewill agent. If God saves one from a terrible accident that does not mean that if he enters a lions den he wont be eaten by a lion. Human are not robot that are programmed to act in a certain way; man have will and emotion and you cant blame God for the foolishness of man. This is exaxtly what you attempt to do in order to condemn the biblical account of a recorded event. And FYA, the Bible contains the good, the bad and the ugly and it is all for us to learn and never repeat mistakes of the past.

Rashduct4luv:
Astagfirullaha wa atubu ilahi

You really need to seek forgiveness.

Rashduct4luv:
The first born child was sacrificed and the second born. That's our belief and we are not here to state your belief.

As I said earlier, this is subjective.

true2god:
The Bible completely condemn incetiuous relationship. See details below,

Leviticus 20:17:
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.

Read Leviticus 18:8–18 and Deuteronomy 27:22-25, you will get full reading where God condemned incest and placed curse on whoever engaged in such. However allah in quran 33:50-53 approves such for mohammed.

Mohammed lifted the story from the Bible and replicated it in the quran. It was not a strange or new story during the time of mohammed; he heard it from the Jews and the Christians around Medina during his lifetime. I can actually say that Allah revealed to me that in 1999 Olusegun Obasanjo was Nigeria's head of state. How can you call an already recorded event a revelation from allah and recorded in the quran while the Jews have been aware of it for over 3000 years before mohammed?

Man is a freewill agent. If God saves one from a terrible accident that does not mean that if he enters a lions den he wont be eaten by a lion. Human are not robot that are programmed to act in a certain way; man have will and emotion and you cant blame God for the foolishness of man. This is exaxtly what you attempt to do in order to condemn the biblical account of a recorded event. And FYA, the Bible contains the good, the bad and the ugly and it is all for us to learn and never repeat mistakes of the past.

You really need to seek forgiveness.

What about Prophet Muhammad predicting Online Market and Headsets & Earphones?Did he cooy those from the bible too?

Rashduct4luv:
Qur'an doesn't narrate lust, murder, adultery and covetousness of a Prophet. All Prophets as stated earlier are humans capable of making mistakes but not as grave as these. Prophet David was free from all these. He was a messenger inspired with the Zabur. How can someone God inspired be capable of making many grave mistakes like this? Will you say God made a mistake in appointing David? Even Jesus was called the son of David, the murderer of Uriah, Adulterer and Coveter of Uriah's wife.

The prophets of God are not angels or superhuman. The Bible was not written to filter their grave mistakes but to learn from it and avoid similar mistakes. The christian God is against covering and protecting evil and does not give his prophets special privilege, unlike allah who gave mohammed immunity to do what he likes and sleep with any woman she likes (quran 33:50-53)

Rashduct4luv:
The Islamic narration is honorable. David was inspired to kill Goliath. It has been transmitted by Ibn 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said:

"The prayer which Allah loves most is the prayer of Da'wud. The fast which Allah loves most is that of Da'wud. He used to sleep for half of the night, stand up in prayer for a third and sleep for a sixth. He would fast every other day. He wore wool and slept on hair. He ate barley bread with salt and ashes. He mixed his drink with tears. He was never seen to laugh after his error nor to look directly at the sky because of his shyness before his Lord and he continued to weep for the rest of his life. It is said that he wept until plants sprang up from his tears and until tears formed ridges in his cheeks. It is said that he went out in disguise to learn what people thought of him, and hearing himself praised only made him more humble."
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, Abu Da'wud, An-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah. From Ash-Shifa' of Qadhi 'Iyad 1:2:24

The Islamic narrative is an hadith which can be called rumours and gossips. How can I trust the sabahas who the shia (your fellow muslims) do not view as honourable and whose narrations in the hadith had been deemed either weak or fabricated? The bible was not written to patrnonize the prophets but to learn from them and avoid making the same errors they made.

Rashduct4luv:
The Ark and the flood was highlighted in the Qur'an. Those who heed to the voice of the Prophet Noah and entered in to the ark were saved. And the disobedient ones perished. The Qur'an does not portray drunkenness. How can someone inspired by God to build an ark and save the believers now resort to drinking wine till he was drunk and became naked....

This story was lifted from the Torah by mohammed when he was in exile in medina. Mohammed can never claim originality to the story because the event was recorded over 3000 years before mohammed was born. Now let me ask you, how can a man inspired by allah lust after his adopted son's wife, Zainab (quran 33:37. You can also get the full story from altabari) and allah encouraged Zaid ibn mohammed (his adopted son) to divorce zainab so that mohammed can marry her? Where have you ever seen this sort of a thing happen except with mohammed?

Rashduct4luv:
We don't believe such stories.

You do not need to believe, however mohammed asked muslims to consult the people of the book for clarification in any religious matter.