Godhatesodomy:



Troll

CaveAdullam:
correct.

Godhatesodomy:
He is not correct.
Cain means cursed.

MuttleyLaff:


"Then Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she became pregnant.
She bore a son and said,
"By the LORD's help I have gotten a son." So she named him Cain."
- Genesis 4:1

As we can see from Genesis, Eve thinks the promise and prophecy in Genesis 3:15 is fulfilled and so believed she has acquired, when she hasnt In fact that promise and prophecy in Genesis 3:15, wont happen until 4000 years later, lol. Eve so much believed in Cain, that upon Abel's birth, she discounted him off and regarded him as being unworthy of consideration to the extent he was named Abel, indicating that he is moisture, breath, vapor, something shortlived, meaning he is something that is here today and gone tomorrow.

True to nature, true to the power of the tongue, true to the name given to him by his mother, Abel truly became something that is here today and gone tomorrow, all thanks and credit to Cain.

Godhatesodomy, out of curiosity, did you just pull "Cain means cursed" out of your rear back? Just asking ni ooo.

Godhatesodomy:
[s]Satan? The Serpent Seed View of Genesis 3:15 By Robert Velarde

Bible Answer ManHank Hanegraaff

“Here is what really happened in the Garden of Eden. The Word says that Eve was beguiled by the serpent. She was actually seduced by the serpent….He was so close to being human that his seed could, and did mingle with that of the woman and cause her to conceive. When this happened, God cursed the serpent.” —William Branham1

Branham (1909–65), a proponent of Oneness theology,2 taught the so-called serpent seed interpretation of Genesis 3, with adherents of this view often citing Genesis 3:15 in support of their position: “And I will put enmity between you [the serpent] and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel” (ESV).

The crux of the serpent seed view is that Eve and Satan engaged in sexual relations. Consequently, sin is viewed as sexual in nature, as opposed to the traditional interpretation of the fall as sin being disobedience to God. In addition to Branham, other serpent seed interpretations of Genesis 3:15 are found in the teachings of the Christian Identity movement, as well as, for instance, in the teachings of Arnold Murray (1929–2014) of Shepherd’s Chapel and also the Unification Church.

The Identity movement’s serpent seed interpretation clearly leads to racism, as one expert explains: “As early as the mid-1940s, Identity preachers were building a new doctrine: the Serpent Seed theory. It is a fairly simple and straightforward belief: Jews are the physical descendants of a sexual union between ‘Mother Eve’ and ‘the serpent’ (Gen. 3). The serpent is variously identified as either Satan, or a demonic representative of Satan. As such, Jews are literally ‘Children of the Devil.’ Most Identity believers claim the serpent was a physical manifestation of Satan himself.”3 Furthermore, Identity teachers add that Cain is the offspring of a union of the serpent and Eve, while Abel is said to be the result of the union of Adam and Eve.4

Even if the serpent seed doctrine does not overtly lead to racism, the interpretation remains problematic and unwarranted. Before exploring responses to the perspective and examining the biblical texts more closely, this article will first present how Genesis 3:15 is interpreted by supporters of the serpent seed teaching.

The Seduction. Branham explains, “He seduced her [Eve] and by her did Satan have a child vicariously. Cain bore the full spiritual characteristics of Satan and the animalistic (sensual, fleshly) characteristic of the serpent.”5

Some proponents of the serpent seed doctrine point to the word “beguiled” in Genesis 3:13 (KJV) as evidence of Eve being sexually seduced by the serpent. This requires the interpreter to suggest that “beguiled” in this context actually means sexually seduced. However, in contemporary translations, the Hebrew word that the King James renders as “beguiled” is often translated as “deceived” (ESV, NIV, HCSB, NLT) or “tricked” (NRSV, NET), while none of these translations render the word as “seduced” or imply sexual seduction. In short, “beguiled” means to charm, enchant, deceive, or trick. In context, Eve is blaming the serpent for tricking her into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. She is not stating that the serpent seduced her sexually.

Another approach to arriving at the serpent seed interpretation is Branham’s view that the Tree of Life in Genesis refers to Jesus. Branham exposits, “If the Tree Of Life is a person, then the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is a person ALSO. It can’t be otherwise. Thus the Righteous One and the Wicked One stood side by side there in the midst of the Garden of Eden” (emphasis in original).6 By arguing that Jesus is the Tree of Life, Branham then concludes that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is Satan (the serpent). This leads Branham to conclude that the sin in the Garden of Eden involved sexual relations between Eve and Satan.

The Seed of Satan. In the King James Version, the first portion of Genesis 3:15 reads, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed.” The view that both seeds are literal has resulted in the serpent seed doctrine sometimes being called the “two seed” interpretation. Most modern translations render “seed” as “offspring,” while granting that the Hebrew word is “seed.” Whether the word is translated as “seed” or “offspring” is not crucial. The question in reference to the serpent seed view is, does this passage mean that Eve and the serpent (Satan) had sexual relations resulting in the birth of a child and, as a result, a line of human beings that are literal descendants of Satan?

This leads to a problematic theological assumption, namely, that it is possible for demons to manifest physical bodies, engage in sexual relations with humans, and produce offspring. However, strong biblical arguments can be made against such claims.7 For instance, in Luke 24:39, Jesus states that “a spirit does not have flesh and bones” (ESV). In any event, even if one believes that demons may engage in sexual intercourse with humans, it does not necessarily follow that the serpent seed interpretation is correct.

Disobedience. What are the hermeneutical errors present in the serpent seed interpretation? The primary error is that of eisegesis—reading into the biblical text what is not actually present within the text. There is nothing in Genesis 3:15 or the surrounding context to indicate the sin of the garden involved sexual relations between Eve and the serpent. In fact, other passages throughout the Bible clearly indicate that the sin in the garden had to do with disobedience to God, not sexual relations: “Scripture is clear that the first sin was not sexual but rather consisted of Adam’s disobedience to God’s command not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ([Gen.] 2:16–17).”8 This point demonstrates at least two other principles of sound hermeneutics: (1) allow Scripture to interpret Scripture and (2) examine the entirety of biblical teaching on a subject rather than interpreting passages in isolation. A third overarching hermeneutical principle is context. Given the context of Genesis 3:15, as well as the context of the whole of Scripture, we learn that the passage in question underscores humanity’s proclivity toward sin and disobedience to God, not sexual relations with the serpent and the rise of a demonic line of humans. Finally, adherents of the serpent seed doctrine ignore more viable and clear interpretations of the passages in question.

Regarding the Christian Identity movement’s racist interpretation of the passage, R. Alan Streett lists several problems with the Identity movement’s serpent seed teaching: “First, Israel traces its origin to Jacob, not Abel, when the former’s name was changed to Israel. Second, Abraham, not Cain, is called the father of the Jews. Third, all must be born again. Fourth, Jesus reminded the woman of Samaria that ‘salvation is from the Jews’ (John 4:22).

Fifth, and most important, Jesus was a Jew from the tribe of Judah; thus, according to this theory, He would be the enemy, not the Son of God.”9

Genesis 3:15 as Protoevangelium. There is good reason for calling Genesis 3:15 the “Protoevangelium,” that is, the “first gospel” or first instance of the gospel in the Bible. Rather than teaching the serpent seed doctrine, the passage encapsulates the centrality of the gospel message: “It has traditionally been understood as pointing forward to the defeat of the serpent by a future descendant of the woman…This defeat is implied by the serpent’s being bruised in the head, which is more serious than the offspring of Eve being bruised in the heel. For this reason, v. 15 has been labeled the ‘Protoevangelium,’ the first announcement of the gospel.”10

The Apologetics Study Bible adds, “The language is figurative, indicating the life-and-death struggle between the adversary and the human family borne by the woman….[The passage refers] to the ongoing opposition to the people of God by their enemies and [predicts] the rise of a particular seed, Jesus Christ, who will destroy the serpent in the end (Rom. 16:20; Rev. 12:9–10).”11 Ultimately, Christ delivered the crushing blow to Satan via His sacrificial atonement and miraculous resurrection.

As to serpent seed interpretations that lead to racism, the Bible is clearly opposed to racist ideas: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28 ESV).

Finally, the serpent seed interpretation leads to a severe misunderstanding of the true nature of sin, which is that sin is essentially disobedience to the Holy Lord. The account of humanity’s downfall is tragic enough as plainly stated without having to sensationalize it with the unfounded view that Eve and Satan engaged in sexual relations. It is for these reasons that the serpent seed doctrine should be soundly rejected. —Robert Velarde
You need to read for yourself and stop trying to force others to read for you. There are countless books, articles, lectures on Cain being the seed of Satan. This isn't something I made up. I just explained it according to DNA and African history. That is a group of Blacks called Babylonians created the Cro Magnum Jews by mixing human with animal DNA. Then these Moors taught the cave beast sciences of Egypt, how to make steel and to rule over other Moors.. The original war was always Africans versus Africans in control over the Earth. Ancient Africans were the Giants and Gods of mythology. The ancient Greek gods, Sumerians, Indians, Celts, Vikings and Americas are all of the original race. The devil is the evil African who created the cave beast and whose spirit went into him. When the White man worships Satan he puts on all Black because he knows that the evil Africans created him. Even the satanic Roman Vatican priests wears all Black and he too knows. So does the Rabbi wear all Black the synoguge of Satan. They know they are hybrids and that their father was the pedophile dirty Moors of Babylon.[/s]

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Wake up out your slumber

CaveAdullam:
concise and precise. OP have you read this?

Nonsense conspiracy theory.

Thank you Jare, John.

God bless.

MuttleyLaff:
Godhatesodomy, have you ever heard that silence is better than nonsense, hmm? What you've been asked to do, is show Satan fathered Cain, but what you've done. Nothing, except for regurgitating the above disgraceful indefensible cringeworthy, inexcusable nonsense.

I wonder why you attempt to speak and type, when you dont even yourself, know what you're talking and/or writing about. Smh. Life is too short, its better to walk away than to tolerate the abstract and abject nonsense you've typed, copied and pasted here

If you believe that crap you posted up here and also especially believe in that accursed BoE, then congratulations, you have successfully and in flying colors, passed the stupidity test and you're certified stupid positive 1000 times over

Godhatesodomy:
Wake up out your slumber

MuttleyLaff:
Instead of, by your account, explain how, Satan possibly fathered Cain, saying "wake up out your slumber", plus pasting worthless YouTube links and lousy pictures upandan the thread is all you do. Mtcheew

Godhatesodomy:
Evidence as you provide none yet are armed with an abundant of insults

Godhatesodomy:
A troll.

Godhatesodomy:
Wake up out your slumber

MuttleyLaff:
Instead of, by your account, explain how, Satan possibly fathered Cain, saying "wake up out your slumber", plus pasting worthless YouTube links and lousy pictures upandan the thread is all you do. Empty barrels make the most noise. Mtcheew

kkins25:
Hahahahahahahahah... he is very good at that. Remember the flat earth thread?

MuttleyLaff:
Are you saying Godhatesodomy is EMILO2STAY or that he was up to his tricks, as usual too, just as same on that EMILO2STAY thread?

EMILO2STAY:
pls no one should mention me here

johnw47:



you never replied anything to the post that you ridiculed
which claimed the devil didnt father cain
and to which you replied "nonsense"

so i say again: show from the bible where the devil fathered cain

here is more showing that the devil didn't father cain
but that of course adam fathered cain:

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

^^^ adam had sex with eve and she conceived and bare cain
also eve knew the miracle of birth was from God, she said: "I have gotten a man from the LORD"(YHWH)
she didn't say: "I have gotten a man from satan the serpent"


cain was said to be of the wicked one because his works were evil
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.



the serpent deceived eve, not had sex with her
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled(seduced deceived) Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

beguiled
ἐξαπατάω
exapataō
ex-ap-at-ah'-o
to seduce wholly: - beguile, deceive.


stay on topic troll of the things i say and what the post you referenced say's

Godhatesodomy:



Evidence as you provide none yet are armed with an abundant of insults.


A troll.


Wake up out your slumber

Truthwords:
Don't mind him . They will never use their data for wise things . Entertainment is the kryptonite of the Black man . They will always use their time on the internet for foolish things that will not benefit them

MuttleyLaff:
Are you saying Godhatesodomy is EMILO2STAY or that he was up to his tricks, as usual too, just as same on that EMILO2STAY thread?

Godhatesodomy:
Emilo is Emilo and I am Sango Kainde.

MuttleyLaff:
I am educated on that, and better or more informed. Thanks.

Truthwords:
If you took time to read my post , you will get all the answers that you need . If satan can deceive eve to think eating the forbidden fruit is right , how can he not deceive her into thinking that cain is from God . They are many books of the bible that were removed of which I mentioned the book of Enoch and Jasher . Take time to read these books and stop sleeping the the watery teachings of your pastors . What did Yeshua truly mean when he talked about the synagogue of satan. You have always been taught the bible in a watery way, so when you see something different from the bliss you have always known you will react this way . To wake up is not easy bro

Godhatesodomy:



Too many times Africans are divided on justice. In Ifa we usually keep Sango and Ogun worship separate because they are opposing frequencies yet in the matter of justice we combine. Sango and Ogun are brothers like Oyo state and Ogun state. The Illuminati are many armies and it will take more than one army to defeat them. I'm surprised y'all haven't figured this out yet.


Wake up out your slumber

Truthwords:
[s]First of all let me start by letting you know that a whole lot more happened in the Bible than you know . This write up is for those with open mind who are willing to gain knowledge .

The bible as you know it was tampered with and many books were removed such as The book of enoch , The Book Of Jasher, The 3rd book of Corinthians and a whole lot more by the canonical order aka catholic church , illuminati and other secret sects such as Knights of templer , free masons etc that are still in existence today. There are more books in existence that came from the bible and I am going to be sharing some with you in this writeup and as the days go by .

DOES THIS MEAN WE SHOULD ABANDON THE BIBLE ?

No , it simply means you should do more research and find out lots of information about if for yourself .


Now Let Me Begin

Not everyone you see all around the world are like you and i . This might sound crazy to you and you might feel like i am making this up . If you are a scoffer or you are just here to mock , i guarantee you , i wont reply . THOSE WHO WANT TO SLEEP , LET THEM REMAIN ASLEEP

Back at the garden of eden, a lot more happened that was hidden . Cain and Abel were adams sons and he later had another son .

Genesis 4 narrates life outside the garden, including the birth of Adam and Eve's first children Cain and Abel and the story of the first murder. A third son, Seth, is born to Adam and Eve, and Adam had "other sons and daughters" (Genesis 5:4).

WHAT IF I TOLD YOU THAT CAIN WAS NOT THE SON OF ADAM

Right now some of you might have concluded that i am being crazy . But what you need to understand is that although cain and abel came out as twins , They are not of the same father . Science had proven That 2 men can get a woman pregnant at the same time especially if they both have sex within the same period or if they engage in acts such as party etc and she will give birth to twins from 2 different fathers

Superfecundation is the fertilization of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse, which can lead to twin babies from two separate biological fathers. The term superfecundation is derived from fecund, meaning the ability to produce offspring.

When satan beguiled eve, something happened . his seed was planted in the womb of eve . ( I will Give More Details On This In A Later Article , Due to my busy schedule) . Cain is the ancestor of those that are referred to as reptilians . Remember The Bible tells us about a serpent in the garden of eden . Most of you have been brain washed by hollywood versions of that story . They show you a snake talking to a ''White Woman" and manipulating her into eating a red apple as if apple is the forbidden fruit . What most of you dont understand is that satan is reptilian in Nature . Several passages referres to him as a dragon . Also the book of Matthew 12:34 and Matthew 23:33 is deeper than you think .


The reptilians in todays world are the generations and decendants of cain . They are the hidden hands in todays american and european politics. Thats why they want you to accept homosexuality , thats why they introduce all sorts of perverseness in todays world . THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE BUT MOST OF US DO NOT KNOW WHO WE ARE . I am not being racist but some white people ( Not All ) Are hybrids of something else . There are lots of books written about this but how many of you take time to buy books , how many of you invest in knowledge other than the excess entertainment which is dumbing down youths today especially in Nigeria . What most of you dont know is that entertainment has been weaponised for a long time and the casualties are mostly Black people ( An article will be written concerning that in future ) .


These reptilians control global politics From Top Nations to the so called bottom nations , they determine who will be president even in Africa , They control the banking sectors such as IMF, World Bank, ETC . They Control Religion Christianity , Islam, Satanism etc , Sports , Media, Technology such as HAARP that can be used to control and determine global weather , Hollywood movies and music is their biggest remote on the human race etc , Thats why lots of people doubt writeups like this . THIS IS NOT CONSPIRACY THEORY . This is not over , let me stop here for now . Watch out for my future write ups . I have a lot to reveal. I will still write about the issue of boko haram and the external hands behind it . Yah Bless You All & See You Soon[/s]

paxonel:
We all know that the bible has been altered but the basic teachings and knowledge about Christ still remain the same. That is the most important thing about the bible.
So, your write up does not carry weight

However, op, thanks for describing yourself as conspiracy theorists even though you deny being one, cos you are truly one.

nlPoster:
Any Christian churchgoer who believes Eve had sex with a serpent, is on a wrong path.