It is time to cut the crap.

Let Atiku and Jonathan defend their records on National TV face-to-face.

Atiku should fire the first salvo and challenge the President and lets how the President responds.

It is time to have this two men challenge each others economics, security, energy and foreign policy.

No more dishing out press statements through Ima Niboro and Garba Shehu. Let all who call themselves credible come out and tell us how they have been running the country.

No more taking newpaper articles to talk policies. Lets see you live on TV.

Anybody who shy away from the debate is not qualified to lead 2011 Nigeria.

Yes, this would be a good thing.

Although I do not support Atiku's zoning argument I would like to see a real contest within PDP itselt before it moves to the general election.

marcdunu:

It is time to cut the crap.
Let Atiku and Jonathan defend their records on National TV face-to-face.
Atiku should fire the first salvo and challenge the President and lets how the President responds.
It is time to have this two men challenge each others economics, security, energy and foreign policy.
No more dishing out press statements through Ima Niboro and Garba Shehu. Let all who call themselves credible come out and tell us how they have been running the country.
No more taking newpaper articles to talk policies. Lets see you live on TV.
Anybody who shy away from the debate is not qualified to lead 2011 Nigeria.

you want make we laugh die, the debate will surely be BABA AJASCO comedy .The both of them are not well grounded, bad diction, unintelligent and they both lack initiative.

marcdunu:

It is time to cut the crap.

Let Atiku and Jonathan defend their records on National TV face-to-face.

Atiku should fire the first salvo and challenge the President and lets how the President responds.

It is time to have this two men challenge each others economics, security, energy and foreign policy.

No more dishing out press statements through Ima Niboro and Garba Shehu. Let all who call themselves credible come out and tell us how they have been running the country.

No more taking newpaper articles to talk policies. Lets see you live on TV.

Anybody who shy away from the debate is not qualified to lead 2011 Nigeria.

i totally agree but would they do the debate

[size=18pt]2011 Elections: Let the Real Debate Begin[/size]

Prof. Chukwuma C. Soludo, CFR

The 2011 general election will mark a watershed in Nigeria’s history. It comes immediately after Nigeria bids farewell to the first 50 years of political independence (and 96 years of existence as a country) and will usher in the set of leaders that will lay the foundation for the journey to the next 50 years. Like every other election all over the world, the 2011 elections in Nigeria should be mainly about the economy. As Bill Clinton once said, it is the economy, silly! Put differently, sound economics ought to be excellent politics. But, have we even realized this?

Our first 50 years had a chequered history as we struggled to forge a nation out of the disparate nationalities. The first few years of independence with the regional economies as the driving force saw spectacular growth of the economy. With oil came a new political economy based essentially on consumption- distributional politics rather than production. So far more than $400 billion of oil rents have been spent with modest progress. We seem to be saddled with an oil resource curse and a political economy that emasculates the future. We have gone through series of development plans, programmes, visions, etc.  On paper, some were far reaching. We have also had the courage to implement some radical reforms. But, without a holistic systemic change and commitment to sustain reforms, we often take three steps forward and four backwards.

It appears that the future is foggy and serious discussions about that future—the new Nigeria in the next 50 years has not begun. The debate so far is about who would be President or so, and not about what they will offer. I am afraid that we may again conduct elections without any serious issues being canvassed and ‘winners’ will emerge. Our politics has degenerated. In the Second Republic, I recall the robust debates relating to the alternative ideologies and manifestoes of the five political parties during the 1978/79 elections. I remember specifically listening to Obafemi Awolowo in 1979 explaining how much it would cost to implement free education at all levels and free medical care, and how he would reconstruct public finance to squeeze out the money to implement them.
Not anymore! There are no alternative visions, no ideologies and no programmes that offer the voters clear choices about their future. Even my political party, the behemoth PDP, has no clear road map for the country. It has remained a platform to grab power, and I am not sure how many party members can coherently explain what the party stands for. Some of us joined it in the hope of changing it from within, and we have not given up. That is a separate issue for another day.

I am a strong believer in Nigeria’s future and in its God given destiny to lead the black race. If Nigeria does not make it, sub Saharan Africa cannot make it. It is not by accident that God has chosen to make us Nigerians. It is our collective duty to realize God’s purpose for Nigeria. That is why some of us have elected to devote the rest of our lifetime to work for Nigeria’s future.

But Nigeria’s future cannot be taken for granted. The challenges are herculean, and the next four years are critical. Given the population growth rate and if you believe the last census figures, there will be 161 million Nigerians this year, and 212 millions in 2020. By the time a child born this year turns 50 years in 2060, there will be 650 million Nigerians. At current GDP and population growth rates, Nigeria will still be a developing country in 2060 (below $11,000 per capita income). At current rates, it will only be in 30 years time (2040) that Nigeria will attain the current South Africa’s per capita income. The tragedy is that the country has no implementable plan to steer a different outcome. Under the current political economy, the Vision 2020 will remain what it is—a beautiful dream! Neither the investment levels nor the productivity (given the decaying educational system and poor skills) required to realize Vision 2020 will happen.

For Nigeria to take a shot at 2020, the economy needs to be growing at about 14- 15% per annum (more than twice the current rates of 6-7%). Even with improved efficiency, this requires annual investment rates of more than 40% of GDP (higher than total earnings from oil). With the cessation of hostilities in the Niger Delta, and oil price rising to about $79, external reserves ought to be growing. Rather, external reserves are depleting precariously to about $36 billion currently, with weekly sales at the WDAS running into hundreds of millions of dollars. Private capital inflows have largely ceased. The capital market is comatose and capital flight is back with vengeance! With private saving rate of below 20%, public sector dis-saving (borrowing), and huge net capital flight, the numbers on the macro economy do not simply add up. Add to this the surfeit of liquidity and misalignment of basic prices and the conclusion is self evident: sooner or later, something will have to give!

As I ponder the future, I am deeply worried. As a consequence of deliberate choices made by public sector managers and the constitutional/structural bottlenecks, the economy cannot generate the required investment to secure prosperity for all. In spite of the heavy external debt of $34 billion and oil prices ranging between $25- $50 during the Obasanjo’s second term, we managed to grow the economy at about 6 -7% per annum (from average of 2.8% in the 1990s). We started saving for the rainy day when oil prices reached $35 and by 2007, despite paying $12 billion to write-off the Paris Club debt in 2006, we had saved about $22 billion as ‘Excess Crude’.

In the last few years, oil prices have averaged $70 to $85 per barrel. What has happened? We have spent the $22 billion saved under Obasanjo, and now massively borrowing at an alarming rate (domestically and externally) during a period of unprecedented oil price boom, and yet the economy remains static at 6-7% growth rate.  Recurrent expenditure of the public sector has more than doubled since 2004, leaving very little for investment. Recall that during the global financial crisis, we took a deliberate decision to allow the Naira to depreciate as part of the strategies to mitigate the effects of the global crisis. Today, that effectively means that governments at all levels receive (in Naira terms) about 27% more revenue from oil receipts than would otherwise. Indeed, but for this exchange rate change under this circumstance, there would not be more than 11 state governments that can still pay salaries on a consistent basis. With massive government borrowing during a boom and paradoxically very low levels of public investment, the private sector is stymied into a trap. Who has the strategy to unbind this trap?

Effectively, we are repeating the worst forms of the mistakes of the late 1970s to early 1980s: accumulated huge debts and raised government consumption to unsustainable levels during the oil boom which we could not sustain during the slump and hence led to the inevitable SAP. Sadly, we are going through the same cycle again, and if the current trend continues, we are doomed to a worst form of SAP in the future. God forbid! As it is, the economy and the future of hundreds of millions of Nigerians are hinged on a life support of a temporary oil boom.  Our economy is still driven by the volatile primary commodity sector—oil, gas, and agriculture. With poverty incidence at about 50%, and urban youth unemployment at over 20%, we are sitting on a time bomb. The issue is not if the oil price will crash, but when. If oil price falls below $40 tomorrow, the economy will come down on its knees, with catastrophic consequences.  Surely, the oil price will sooner or later crash, but Nigeria has no contingency plan.

The good news is that Nigeria has all the potentials to be great. There are huge idle resources that can be put to productive use. With economy-wide capacity underutilization at about 60% and oil prices at unprecedented levels, broadly shared growth rate of about 15% is possible. This is where the debate needs to begin. Candidates and political parties need to outline their visions of Nigeria in the next 50 years and HOW they intend to rapidly create a broadly shared and sustainable prosperity. The debate must begin! Can fundamental results be achieved by tinkering with programmes or will major changes in the political structure and Constitution be required? It is time the prospective candidates roll out their agenda, and HOW they intend to finance them! Nigerians will no longer be contented with a plethora of platitudes and wish-lists. Each candidate must tell us how he/she intends to finance each programme, the deliverables and timelines. More specifically, we need to know where they stand on critical national issues, even if they have no concrete plans on them. This is a necessary element of a democratic process.
Below, we outline some of the issues/questions we need answers from the prospective candidates.

The first issue we need answers to is how the candidates hope to reconstruct our public finance and put it back on the path of sustainability. How can they rein-in the obtuse and rapacious federal bureaucracy in particular, and the state bureaucracies, balance our budget during this period of oil boom, and yet spend at least 40% of the budget on capital expenditure as required by the Fiscal Responsibility Act? Personally, I am not convinced that we need more than 10 ministries and 10 ministers at the Federal level. They should explain to us their contingency plans in case oil price crashes tomorrow. Candidates should also let us know their views on, and framework for, borrowing (when to borrow, for what, and how it will be paid back?). Without clarity on these issues, much of the talk about government providing power/electricity and infrastructure on a sustainable basis will remain a joke as funding will always remain a binding constraint. In other words, candidates should tell us their plans to shrink the domain of the public sector to free resources to enlarge the domain of the private sector--- to truly have a private sector-led, market economy. For example, I have always believed that company profit tax rate should not be more than 10% (down from the current 30% plus education tax of another 2%) especially at a period of oil price boom, and where the businesses provide their own infrastructure. For businesses to expand and create jobs, the tax rate needs to go down significantly. We need to debate this.

Second, Nigerians would like to know the plans of the candidates for reconstructing our political structures to create the new Nigeria with a new sustainable prosperity. Currently, we are running unitary-federalism, with a plethora of fiscally unviable states as the ‘federating units’, with the attendant wasteful duplication of bureaucracies all over the country. So far as everyone is spoilt with monthly allocations from oil rents, there is no incentive to recreate the prosperity engendered by the palm or cocoa plantations and groundnut pyramids of the old regions. Every village wants to become a state in so far as ‘allocations continue to come from Abuja to pay salaries’. Nigeria’s fiscal federalism seems to have its incentive system upside down, supporting a political economy based upon consumption- distribution rather than production. Should this continue?

Where do we stand on state creation? Should we create 8 states per zone as being proposed, or consolidate the existing ones into six regions with Abuja, Kano, Lagos and Port Harcourt as special territories as being proposed by some people?  What do we do with revenues from exhaustible natural resources (oil, gas, solid minerals)? Some propose that we can create as many states as we want (perhaps until every village becomes a state), but that revenue from Federation Account should never be used for recurrent expenditure but only as matching grants to create wealth and productive capacity for present and future generations, such as only for infrastructure, security and education. Where do candidates stand on this issue? What kind of constitutional changes are required to create a functional fiscal federalism, appropriate devolution of powers from the centre to the states/regions, and ensure effective economic management? What is our plan for effective policing of the country to ensure security of life and property? Where do we stand on the proposal for state or regional police?

On specific sectoral issues, the questions are endless. Who has the strategy to achieve uninterrupted power supply over the 2011- 2015 period? Where is the strategy to ensure accurate population census with biometric data of every citizen? If the last census figure is correct, then Nigeria’s population is exploding without any plans for the children of today and tomorrow. Are we happy with the rate of growth of our population or will someone have the courage to propose a robust population policy? What is the magic wand to ensure that we have a free, fair and transparent electoral system where only votes count and all votes are counted? What is the new strategy to fight corruption? Where is the sustainable plan for the Niger Delta and the long term strategy for environmental sustainability of locations amenable to natural resource extraction? Since our current university system is a road to nowhere and producing largely unemployable graduates, candidates need to flesh out their plans to revolutionarise the sector for Nigeria to join the 21st century.

It is estimated that Nigerians have their wealth running into tens of billions of dollars stashed away outside the country, and capital flight has resumed. Who has the plans to reverse the trend? The Financial System Strategy 2020 (FSS 2020) was designed to make Nigeria Africa’s financial hub and an international financial centre by 2020. What is the commitment of the candidates to make this happen? How will the candidates address the various cries of marginalization by sections of the country, especially the South East?  What are the plans for women and youths, as well as the physically challenged? How do we deal with huge but unrecognized national emergencies such as erosion and desertification?

Furthermore, the future depends on how we deal with the tripartite problems of poverty, urbanization, and unemployment. Candidates need to spell out how they intend to solve the pervasive poverty in the North (averaging over 70% compared to average of less than 35% in the South).  To create high value-adding jobs and reduce poverty in the medium term require more than quadrupling of productivity in agriculture as well as mainstreaming of large-scale commercial agriculture. We need to hear the plans of candidates in this regard given the current irrigation level of less than 6%.  More specifically, we need to hear from the aspirants how many jobs they can create over the four year period and the strategies to do so.

There is also the challenge of urbanization and urban renewal strategies. At about 5.3%, Nigeria’s urbanization rate is one of the fastest in the world, with the attendant urban decay, slums and urban unemployment, poverty and crime. What is the plan to stem rural-urban migration? In the medium term, what special strategies for the renewal of mega cities like Lagos, PortHarcourt, Aba/Onitsha, Abuja, and Kano which continue to receive the largest influx of youth population in search of non-existing opportunities? What are the strategies to provide safe drinking water to our population?

There are about 20 million housing deficit in Nigeria. What strategies do the aspirants have to unleash a housing boom and a mortgage system in Nigeria? Surely, this can create millions of jobs, and Nigerians need to know how.
Nigeria has one of the most inefficient ports in the world, and much worse than many other West African countries. What are the strategies to revolutionarise our ports and ensure that importers clear customs in 12 -24 hours over the next four years?  Also where do the aspirants stand with respect to the proposed West African monetary union and common currency? Where do they stand with regards to the WTO and the Millennium Development Round, and the European Union’s Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA) vis-a-vis the Everything but Arms initiative of the EU?  What about the West African common tariffs vis-a-vis the plans for the manufacturing sector? If the aspirants believe that our foreign policy should focus largely on commercial diplomacy, how many missions abroad now make sense, and what kind of ambassadors do we need?

The questions and issues are legion. The essence of this piece is to provoke debate. The next 50 years will make or break Nigeria. Next year marks the beginning of the journey. The current players have a duty to lay a solid foundation for the future. As things are, that future cannot be guaranteed without a big struggle. Those who know, and who have the capacity to contribute to the struggle for a new, prosperous Nigeria must stand up now to be counted! Elite indifference to the political process is not an option. Since we have adopted the U.S. style of state primaries for the President, can we also adopt the U.S.-style debates in various states among the aspirants of the same party? When will the debate begin? The world is watching, and Nigerians are waiting for answers.

http://www.soludo.org/speeches/2011_elections_let_the_realdebate_begin.html

I will welcome this any day. Jonathan would have to use his native tongue to communicate, via an interpreter of course. I think his wife speaks better.

I think someone like Cyril Stober will do a good job being the debate moderator for NTA.

Why is the Jonathan crowd not calling their principal to attend this debate?

I thought they said he was the only credible candidate in the country?

beef is in a better position to rep. gej.

marcdunu:

Why is the Jonathan crowd not calling their principal to attend this debate?

I thought they said he was the only credible candidate in the country?

And is ATIKU your own credible candidate? as someone aptly put it, the Atiku decision by Chiroma and co can be likened to an Elephant in labour that delivered a rat!

A debate on the state of the economy between Atiku (a significant contributor to the current state of Nigeria's economy and infrastructural backwardness) and GEJ is an insult to all Nigerians world over, because GEJ's govt has been around for just 6 months and in that space of time, they have been virtually running over themselves to slavage whatever is left of this country as the likes of IBB and Atiku continue to fan the embers of discord and antagonisim.
Today, you can walk the streets of Aba, Bayelsa and Port Harcourt even Jos and Maiduguri are being calmed yet to close your eyes and claim GEJ has done nothing?
Be sincere and have the fear of God, and don't sell your future for a bowl of rice. If Atiku has anything to offer, he should av shown it during his romance with OBJ.

I would love to see that one.

ode remo:

beef is in a better position to rep. gej.

You guys are really funny! GEJ won't even need to be physically present to defeat Atiku in a debate.
Atiku is an illiterate at every level, his diction is a million times worse than GEJ's and his IQ is like -3; the US wants him for stealing and laundering 6 billion of our money in 2008. . . The list goes on!

I'm sorry to say, but Atiku is a vacuous fool whose only talent is kleptomania.

blinx4real:

And is ATIKU your own credible candidate? as someone aptly put it, the Atiku decision by Chiroma and co can be likened to an Elephant in labour that delivered a rat!

A debate on the state of the economy between Atiku (a significant contributor to the current state of Nigeria's economy and infrastructural backwardness) and GEJ is an insult to all Nigerians world over, because GEJ's govt has been around for just 6 months and in that space of time, they have been virtually running over themselves to slavage whatever is left of this country as the likes of IBB and Atiku continue to fan the embers of discord and antagonisim.
Today, you can walk the streets of Aba, Bayelsa and Port Harcourt even Jos and Maiduguri are being calmed yet to close your eyes and claim GEJ has done nothing?
Be sincere and have the fear of God, and don't sell your future for a bowl of rice. If Atiku has anything to offer, he should av shown it during his romance with OBJ.

Which is why it will be very easy for GEJ to dismantle Atiku

But the fact is that debate is necessary. I will like to see one.

I don't want to have another President who will sneak back into office through the back door without subjecting themselves to the court of public opinion.

Marcdunu may be too optimistic thinking Atiku will have an easy ride. It wont be easy for either candidate but the debate is necessary.

Such a intra-party debate is irrelevant and a waste of time. The general public do not have a say in who the parties field as their flag bearer. So, even if an aspirant impresses the public in such kind of debate, it may not be reflected in the primary elections.

We only need to wait until the parties have selected their candidates before organizing an inter-party public debates, just like it's always been done in the past.

Anyway, IMHO these duo do not even qualify to be state governors let alone presidents.

I'll rather love to see a presidential debate between Pat Utomi and Donald Duke.

excanny:

Such a intra-party debate is irrelevant and a waste of time. The general public do not have a say in who the parties field as their flag bearer. So, even if an aspirant impresses the public in such kind of debate, it may not be reflected in the primary elections.

We only need to wait until the parties have selected their candidates before organizing an inter-party public debates, just like it's always been done in the past.

Anyway, IMHO these duo do not even qualify to be state governors let alone presidents.

I'll rather love to see a presidential debate between Pat Utomi and Donald Duke.

What is wrong if we have one now? What are you guys scared off?

Obama was slugging it out with Hilary Clinton.

As a matter of fact the PDP intra party debate means more than the general one because whoever emerges the PDP is almost sure to get elected in 2011. So lets have a debate between these two devils right now so folks can actually make their mind up.

mikeansy:

What is wrong if we have one now? What are you guys scared off?

Obama was slugging it out with Hilary Clinton.

As a matter of fact the PDP intra party debate means more than the general one because whoever emerges the PDP is almost sure to get elected in 2011. So lets have a debate between these two devils right now so folks can actually make their mind up.

What is wrong is that it will not be in line with the purpose of organising election debates, which is to influence the voting decision of the members of the general public, not just for the sake of having one.

Bringing in an Obama vs Clinton election debate as an example for a similar Jonathan vs Atiku debate is comparing 2 different things.

The democratic processes in the U.S is very different from what is practiced in Nigeria. In the American democratic system, members of the public who are registered voters can take part in the primary elections held independently by various states
and vote, just like in the general elections, to select their party's flagbearers. In this kind of direct primaries, an intra-party debate is appropriate in guiding the registered member of the public in voting and nominating candidates in their parties.

In Nigeria, what we have are primary elections in which registered voters can not take part in choosing party's flagbearers. This is done strictly by a few delegates who are card-carrying members of the party in a national or state convention.

So, of what use is an intra-party debate here? Members of the general public are not allowed by Nigerian election laws to vote in the primary elections of political parties to select the flagbearers. Any influence that an intra-party debate can have on the audience may not be reflected in the parties' choice of candidates.

Personally, i would want to see such intra-party debates between aspirants, and even take part in selecting the right candidates in a primaries. But we need to modify our electoral laws first to enable such a direct participation by the general public.

Beaf:

You guys are really funny! GEJ won't even need to be physically present to defeat Atiku in a debate.
Atiku is an illiterate at every level, his diction is a million times worse than GEJ's and his IQ is like -3; the US wants him for stealing and laundering 6 billion of our money in 2008. . . The list goes on!

I'm sorry to say, but Atiku is a vacuous fool whose only talent is kleptomania.

See blabbing. I bet GEJ will dread such a debate, unless they can use hi-tech to wire him and have OBJ relay jists to him real-time.