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AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 2:34am On Dec 07, 2010 |
AUST bars graduating students from seeking jobs abroadhttp://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/14355-aust-bars-graduating-students-from-seeking-jobs-abroad 1 Like |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by macjive01: 3:46am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Interesting!!! |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by koruji(m): 4:00am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Did they pay for them to do this degree? Even if they were paid this is absolute bunkum - can't believe this is coming from someone as erudite as Okonjo-Iweala. Let's see who will stop them!!! Akin-Egba: |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 4:29am On Dec 07, 2010 |
koruji: I think the students studied with scholarship and the reason for establishing AUST is clear. When you get certain scholarships, you are required to work for the organization (or in this case, where they allow you to work) for sometime. Actually, with the courses offered in that university, one is better of staying back in Africa where one will be more useful, earn good money and spend less. At AUST, you need $15 K per annum and I am sure they got some, if not full uni scholarship |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 4:45am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Absolutely no way this is enforceable. Better tactic is to hook up graduates with companies in Nigeria/Africa. They'll stay if they can find well-paying jobs on the continent, and leave if they cannot. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by koruji(m): 4:49am On Dec 07, 2010 |
If it is not part of the schorlarship agreement then it does not hold water. May be they want to include that in the next set of scholarships given out, but it would not work without a formal agreement. Akin-Egba: |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by tpia1: 4:56am On Dec 07, 2010 |
said: "I want you to know that we are going to track you." pretty definite. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 4:58am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: It is enforceable, depending on the agreement with the govt (immigration). They may stop them from getting int passport or cause that visas are not issued them unless with some approval from somebody. In Ethiopia, this happens under similar circumstances. I believe they will get good jobs in Africa based on the nature of their studies- high tech stuff. If somebody (organization) coughed up 15 K USD for you, it is only fair that you at least contribute to the immediate society as requested. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 4:59am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Infact in these days of internet it is very easy to track them. I am sure they will get good stuff in Africa. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 5:02am On Dec 07, 2010 |
They will also need references/recommendations for jobs and will definitely need that from their graduating uni or professors. That is one way of ''catching'' them too. 1 Like |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 5:05am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba:AUST is a privately run organization, not a gov't owned one, yes? If so, then absolutely no chance of them preventing anyone from getting a passport. Best case is that they can sue. Oh, I agree. I'm not saying someone skipping the country would be fair, ethical, etc. But it is certainly possible for the students to do. Akin-Egba:Nope. For graduate school, yes. But just to get a job? Generally not the case. You submit a resume, transcript, then do some sort of interview. People don't make hiring decisions based on the opinions of professors, at least the companies I've interviewed at and interned for. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 5:12am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: It may be privately owned but Nigerian govt, Abuja city, NNPC and PTDF (all govt stuff) are co-sponsors (check their website) so they have a stake somewhat. I am sure even Nigeria will not want these people to just go. Thus, they may go to an embassy for visa but they wont know what hit them when their visa application is turned down. There are opportunities in Africa and I wish I got such a scholarship when I was studying. Why would I want to leave? Actually, there may not be any jobs for them abroad because there is really nothing they know that the west does not know, coupled with high unemployement in the West. They may only get graduate school offers and for that, they need uni/prof references. Still, some jobs attach high importance to references especially if you are coming from abroad. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 5:23am On Dec 07, 2010 |
AUST: Our Sponsors & Partners Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics (ICTP) African Development Bank Group African Institute of Mathematical Sciences Auburn University Federal Capital Territory, Abuja Federal Government of Nigeria Globacom Ltd. Guarantee Trust Bank Indian Institute of Science Jenner and Block Pro Bono Support NextEinstein Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation Petroleum Technology Development Fund United Nations University - International Institute for Software Technology World Bank Zenith Bank |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 5:33am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Sponsor doesn't mean they have the power to deny you visa. Again, whatever beef a student has with the university is between those two parties, not the federal gov't, immigration, etc. In any case, isn't the issue more of getting the visa from the target country? Like, if you have your Nigerian passport and want to go to the US, then you need to get a visa from the US, not say some sort of Nigerian gov't organization, correct? I'm not familiar with the process, so am just guessing; correct me if I'm wrong. Akin-Egba:Is this true, though? Why are there so many unemployed graduates in Nigeria, if so? Nah, there are plenty of jobs in the west. Unemployment is low, and companies like hiring entry-level guys who are relatively affordable compared to more senior guys who command lots of money. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 5:44am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: They do not have the power to deny you a visa. But they can instigate that visa be denied you. Often the embassies in Nigeria work with Nigerian govt (police, immigration) if there is doubt about any applicant. You also need certain documents to approach the embassy and perhaps one of those may be from your uni. May be not in Nigeria, but in Ethiopia, you are physically stopped at the airport if involved in such case. Your parents could be made to sign an agreement which was what happened to my own immediate younger brother who was trained by the LNG for his MSc in production engineering in the UK. My family signed an agreement to refund some huge amount of money if my brother did not work for them for at least two years. He has been there now for 5 years because the pay is great. On Nigerian graduates, most of them are ill-trained and thus unqualified for the 21st century challenges. These AUST guys appear to be different. Many americans, including professors, are jobless. I think they have 9+% unemployement there. Any jobs now are for Americans first and foremost. Britain is sending Nigerians/others back home and tightening their foreign quota. So it is hard out there too. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 5:56am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba:Who knows. Color me skeptical. If this were the gov't involved, then I might agree. But I doubt the US embassy is going to deny you a visa simply because of some dispute you have with a university you graduated from. Unless it is made into some sort of legal matter (i.e., the school takes you to court), then I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on. This latter sort of strategy I think would work well, have some way of ensuring the scholarship money can be recouped if the graduate bails. But I'm not sure this is what the AUST is doing here. . . ? Doesn't seem as if they are guaranteeing the money through parents/other relatives/assets/etc. Fair enough. Well, that unemployment rate is an aggregate over all types of workers. I'd imagine the unemployment rate for college education engineering graduates is much lower. Perhaps, I don't know much about the UK. So I'll take your word for it. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by tpia1: 6:00am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Who knows. Color me skeptical. If this were the gov't involved, then I might agree. But I doubt the US embassy is going to deny you a visa simply because of some dispute you have with a university you graduated from. Unless it is made into some sort of legal matter (i.e., the school takes you to court), then I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on. by tracking i think the school means they'll track you anywhere you go. not really that hard, actually. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 6:02am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Fine, track me. But how do you prevent me from getting a work visa abroad, especially if some company in the US/Canada/Europe has given me an offer? How do you convince the embassies of those countries from denying me the visa? Something they'll almost 100% give me if I've been given a job offer? |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by Kobojunkie: 6:05am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba: If it was not part of the term of the scholarship, it is not enforceable and no embassy is going to try to get itself into helping any government or persons with such. Even in Nigeria, you cannot shackle people just because you helped pay their way through school, unless they agreed to giving you such power over them. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 6:07am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: This is Nigeria not America. Your passport can be declared forged (or something) especially if the govt gets involved which is possible since their money is also involved in your training. Get of your utopia, face the Nigerian reality where the govt is the king. The only thing I see is that these guys will get jobs in Nigeria or elsewhere in Africa (e.g., South Africa or some oil-producing countries of Africa). If it gets worse they can adopt the Ethiopian style: stop you at the point of exit with some flimsy excuse. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by tpia1: 6:08am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: in that case, i think any company that hires you would be contacted. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 6:09am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: Well, we do not know all the specifics/details and I believe Ngozi Okonjo Iweala will not be talking such if nothing is at stake. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 6:10am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba: How is a private university invoking government powers? How is this university declaring my passport forged, for example? |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 6:13am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: Not the university, but the govt whose money was involved in training you. Of course those are examples I just gave. The govt can find just about anything to instigate you being refused a visa. The fact is we do not have all the details on which basis the woman gave the warning/advise. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 6:15am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Those guys will get jobs in NNPC/LNG/SHELL/Agip/Chevron/Mobil, etc. They are few number of graduates as you can read from the list and not all are Nigerians. The non-Nigerians can find something in their own countries or elsewhere. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by Kobojunkie: 6:16am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba: Sure, we do not know all specifics but Okonjo or not, no one can cage another without a prior agreement allowing such. She is not above the law in any country. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 6:18am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: So you already assume Okonjo will be the one to personally stop anyone? |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by Kobojunkie: 6:19am On Dec 07, 2010 |
what? What have I told you in the past about your ability to read minds? |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by stranger: 6:22am On Dec 07, 2010 |
[size=18pt]GRABBING MY CHAIR: WATCHING PATIENTLY AS KOBOJUNKIE ANNOYS AKIN EGBA WITH HER NONSENSICAL ARGUMENT[/size] I give Akin Egba three more posts before she declares Kobojunkie brain dead! |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 6:28am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba: So you are saying that the AUST (a private organization) will ask the Nigerian gov't to ask the US embassy/consulate to block someone from getting a visa, and somehow the embassy will comply? Let us temporarily accept that the AUST has this influence. Even with this assumption, I think that unless the Nigerian gov't makes up some false legal/criminal issue, then this scenario doesn't seem plausible. The Nigerian gov't is mighty, but not mighty enough to tell the US embassy what to do without justification. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by DapoBear(m): 6:31am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Akin-Egba: I agree. But if they wanted to leave, I don't think they could be stopped. |
Re: AUST Bars Graduating Students From Seeking Jobs Abroad by AkinEgba: 6:33am On Dec 07, 2010 |
DapoBear: To get a job abroad from Nigeria, you will need recommendations. What better place to do so than from your uni prof? So then you do not get the recommendation to begin with. You can forge one from Oluwole, I know. |
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