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|Saraki An Egba Man? by DapoBear(m): 5:11pm On Dec 07, 2010|
I thought he was a Fulani from Mali?
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Aloy_Emeka: 5:23pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Saraki defines himself as Fulani, another man defines him as Egba. It's like you claim to be from Ekiti but I can claim you are Ebira. Which one should people likely believe?.
I also believe that Saraki is Yoruba no matter how hard he denies it.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by DapoBear(m): 5:40pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Read the article carefully, it appears his claims of Fulani ancestry are false. Unless the ambassador (a friend of his father) was lying.
Anyway, I cannot knock the Sarakis for their personal ambition. Making such a claim and tying oneself to Alimi and his allies is probably helpful for internal Kwara politics. Falsely claiming Fulani has helped them to turn an entire state into their personal fiefdom.
It would have been pretty hilarious though if Saraki had been chosen by the PDP as the Northern presidential candidate and won. Many of them oppose GEJ because they view him as a tool of OBJ (also an Egba man); how pissed would they be to find that they'd chosen another Egba as the Northern consensus candidate?
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by revomind(m): 5:40pm On Dec 07, 2010|
This, everyone knows. Next please
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by DapoBear(m): 5:43pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Everyone already knew that the Sarakis are from Abeokuta? I sure did not.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by desgiezd(m): 5:50pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Here's a man who would refer to himself as "Oloye" while in the south but would prefer to be called "Malam" whenever he crosses River Niger towards the north. Now the son is proud to say he is "Bukola Abubakar Saraki", the "Abubakar" that has been so silent before the issue of presidential campaign came up.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Jarus(m): 6:04pm On Dec 07, 2010|
This is no bombshell.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Dis Guy: 7:18pm On Dec 07, 2010|
actually its people that refer to him as that, even nobody refer to themselves as mallam either
the sarakis are smart allowing people call them whatever
are people from benue and kogi northerners or southerners?
If you call Jarus a northerner he'll answer if you call him a Yoruba he'll answer to that too
some people construe that to mean they are playing smart to gain some sort of advantage
Sarakis are aliens from pluto
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by toba: 7:31pm On Dec 07, 2010|
with this revelation, OBJ might actually come from gombe state
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by desgiezd(m): 7:39pm On Dec 07, 2010|
OBJ is an Igbo, in fact, a prince.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by DapoBear(m): 7:48pm On Dec 07, 2010|
^-- Would explain a lot of true. Dude hates/hated Yoruba
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Beaf: 7:56pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Dat one na pure lie! Obj is an Urhobo man from Mosogar in Delta state.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by tpia1: 8:10pm On Dec 07, 2010|
gbemi saraki [daughter]
bukola saraki [son]
dr. olusola saraki [guy in question]
they are clearly mixed with something [most likely fulani or maybe not] .
On the egba connection- news to me but never say never.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Abagworo(m): 8:12pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Saraki once used his own mouth to claim malian Fulani origin.It will be a shame if proven that he is an Egba man.
One lesson episodes like this should teach us Nigerians is to accept everybody as a citizen of wherever he is born or settled as long as he is a Nigerian.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Abagworo(m): 8:15pm On Dec 07, 2010|
Phenotype is one aspect that is difficult to use in passing judgement.Some Igala people look purely Fulani but they have no links.But I must confess the Sarakis look like a blend of Fulani and Yoruba.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by tpia1: 8:17pm On Dec 07, 2010|
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Dis Guy: 8:25pm On Dec 07, 2010|
True, most people we refer to as hausa are fulanis some are not even fulanis some are something else we dont know whilst some have links ot niger, chad, etc etc
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by revomind(m): 8:30pm On Dec 07, 2010|
@dapobear, not that everyone knows he's egba but everyone knows he's yoruba atleast among kwarans and other Yorubas that care enough.
You can't judge where people come from solely from looks especially in Nigeria. People are always surprised to hear that I'm yoruba cuz of my looks when in fact, i'm a full-blooded one. This may be because of the stereotype that yoruba folks are dark complexioned. Gbemi can definitely be yoruba, money made her that fresh cuz there are many omo-alatas with a similar complexion.
Whatever the Sarakis wanna do with themselves is cool to me, no one is losing sleep.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by tpia1: 8:32pm On Dec 07, 2010|
yoruba creoles arent concentrated in mainly one place as obtains elsewhere, so i think that's why it's so difficult tracing any non-black yoruba origins most times. They're simply shrouded in impenetrable mystery.
by creole i mean people of indirect mixed ancestry.
not sure what's the proper pc word.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by tpia1: 8:34pm On Dec 07, 2010|
most times you can tell when someone is mixed.
it's not just about skin colour alone but also other things like bone structure, etc.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by tpia1: 8:37pm On Dec 07, 2010|
more photos of gbemi
then again, the mixture could be from the mother?
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by excanny: 8:39pm On Dec 07, 2010|
The Sarakis have never denied having Yoruba blood. Their explanation had been that their Yoruba side is matrilineal, while the patrilineal ancestry is fulani.
Olusola saraki is even a member of the ilorin emirate, which is a part of the Sokoto caliphate-a fulani empire.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by DapoBear(m): 8:46pm On Dec 07, 2010|
I highly doubt that you can look at someone and tell what fraction Yoruba/Fulani they are. Alimi was Fulani, but his son and heir Abdulsalam, his mother was Yoruba. It is quite possible that this fraction has increased over time; I wouldn't be surprised if their Emir is now 75%+ Yoruba. Even people who are 25% white mostly look black, not to talk of someone who might be as little as 25% fulani.
Most of this stuff is politics, really.
You have to remember that when Afonja began his rebellion against the Oyo Empire, a good portion of his troops were runaway Hausa slaves. And Fulani were not likely to be that numerous in Ilorin when the rebellion began. It seems plausible that a lot of these guys who claim to have Fulani ancestors instead in Ilorin instead have Hausa slave ancestors.
This was my suspicion about Saraki before reading this article, my guess was some sort of descendant of a Hausa palace slave. Instead he turns out he is Egba
revomind:I have a problem with what they are doing because it causes division. The Sarakis are vipers in our midst.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by tpia1: 9:04pm On Dec 07, 2010|
^^the other option is to figure out the ethnic composition of the yorubas in egbaland before what obtains today.
we dont really have a lot of information about how Islam was established in the southwest.
we know the history in northern nigeria and kwara, but not elsewhere.
obviously it must have been through peaceful migration and integration, i assume [but could be wrong] since we havent heard otherwise.
anyway, na them [politicians] sabi. It all makes for good powwow but does it matter, really.
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Dis Guy: 9:09pm On Dec 07, 2010|
I have a problem with what they are doing because it causes division. The Sarakis are vipers in our midst.
do you have a problem with the interracial girl at your work place too?
will the people of kwara live get better infrastructure if their governor was a Yoruba/hausa/igbo?
there's division in Ogun state, perhaps he is also from Anambra via Bayelsa
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by alj harem(m): 9:36pm On Dec 07, 2010|
thank u dapobear
i just want to make it clear and sound to any body that think or would ever think bukola is a northerner
1 bukola is a yoruba agent used by obj to rule us
2. how many northerners do u find in kwara (little) today compare to northerns found in lagos or abuja
3. kwara is never a northern state ,,,,,,, i do not know were they get this arewa from in kwara but i know that they are not northerners
4. yorubas can never rule us northerners ,,,,,,,,,,just because they are pretenting to be us when actually they do not like us
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by oludashmi(f): 9:08am On Dec 08, 2010|
I owe you a lunch
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Ileke-IdI: 9:20am On Dec 08, 2010|
Oludashmi, lunch wo lo owe e? Ibo lo ti ri ibi ti awon Yoruba kan kan s'ebi pe omo Hausa- Fulani ni wan? Pretend to be what? Tufiakwa! walahi!
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by oludashmi(f): 9:24am On Dec 08, 2010|
I first heard this in Jebba (kwara state) from indegenes, and also from Lagos based kwara indegenes
So, it is news to non-kwara indegenes
Many in kwara still recall while growing, how Saraki migrated to kwara from Ogun state decades ago and . . . .
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by oludashmi(f): 9:29am On Dec 08, 2010|
Ileke-IdI:Ileke. . .oo mo wipe man yen ti fi ori won gba paaro ni ilu yen, infact ni last 2 weeks, omo kwara to dagba si 'le si salaye bi Saraki se ma n fun gbogbo won lowo ni kekere, just like alimanjiri stuff (kosi secret ni online so mi, le so gbogbo ee tan).
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Ileke-IdI: 9:38am On Dec 08, 2010|
oludashmi:Sorry, mo sese ri nkan t'o n so. Nkan ti mo n wo ni ibi ti alj harem so pe awa Yoruba n pe ara wa ni Northerners. Olorun maje!
|Re: Saraki An Egba Man? by Jarus(m): 9:48am On Dec 08, 2010|
2. how many northerners do u find in kwara (little) today compare to northerns found in lagos or abujaKwarans are 100% Northerners, stop exposing your ignorance.
Perhaps you need a lecture on difference between region and ethnicity. Region: North, South, East, West Ethnicity: Yoruba, Hausa, Ibo etc
What is today Kwara has always been classified as North since 1914. During the provincial era pre-independence, Ilorin province(now Kwara and Kogi) was undr Northern region. During the regional system, Kwara was part of Northern region. Till today, Kwara is still North. Or can you count the 19 Northern states for me?
You are obviously mistaking Hausa/Fulani with North. Whether a place is North or South is not a natural classification like ethnicity. A mistake, so to speak, was made in 1914 and Ilorin province was classified as North, and till today, it still is. Taking it to South will involve official proclamation and boundary adjustment.
Being a northerner doesn't mean you're Hausa/Fulani. You can be a Yoruba and a Northerner in as much as you come from a state classified as North. Kwara and Kogi are such. Late Chief Sunday Awoniyi, a Yoruba man from Kogi, was a dyed-in-the-wood Sardauna loyalist and later Chairman of Arewa Consultative forum. Can a non-Arewa person be the Chairman of Arewa Forum if he is not from Arewa?
I am from Kwara, a Yoruba, and officially a Northerner, because that is what my state has been classified as since 1914.
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