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Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Bankole01(m): 2:02pm On Jun 01, 2007
I-man:

If you bothered to read through this thread,you would have seen where I posted a link dealing with approval ratings-http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htmhttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval . Good luck in locating the 26% approval rating.Another blatant lie.



That Bush has a 26% approval rating is no lie. I live in America and this is his latest approval rating according to recent polls.

Clinton id not start an unnecessary war. He bombed Afganistan to punish the Taliban and Alqeda for the bombing of American embassy in Kenya and the bombing of American warship in UAE.

Someone said he lied under oath about not having sex with his intern! handling someone does not equate sex. Why was the House concerning itself to infidelity as if it was life threatening. It was witch hunt plain and simple.

Bush may have increased the sieze of the military. His wars on so many front has been very devastating for the military and thay are weaker at this time than any time in history.

His environmental policy was only geared towards big business who have continued to gouge and fleece the public at will, without recourse. Even Republicans are regreting voting for him and this is why they lost massively in the last elections.

That America today is enjoying a robust economy has nothing to do with Bush. It more to do with the racing economy of China and the Axis Tigers than with America as a whole. The acolades here do not go to Bush. The fact is American motor companies are losing market shares to Japan.

The unprescedented rise in gas has a lot to do with Bush because of his close relation to oil companies. The price of oil has actually gone down in the last few days yet price at the pumps keep going up.
It was also reported that the oils companies are delibrately keeping prices up by refining less oil to artificialy inflate prices. This is why the Congress had decided to wade in inti this murky business.

Conclusion, Bush has been bad for America!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Tornadoz(m): 2:08pm On Jun 01, 2007
@I-man
Don't sit there and pretend that Clinton had nothing to do with the sanctions.
History would record the UN as imposing the sanction not Clinton.

I have stated elaborately,more than any other on this thread, Bush's positive record as President.Please refer to my previous posts on this thread.Thanks
You could have fooled me. Checking the entire thread, I could find 3 post where you attempted to praise Bush for some economic progress forgetting America relies now on China than anytime in their history.
Am not surprised you couldn't find more good deeds by Bush, even his most ardent supporters like O'reilly look stupid when confronted with same question.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by TayoD(m): 2:27pm On Jun 01, 2007
@Bankole01,

The unprescedented rise in gas has a lot to do with Bush because of his close relation to oil companies. The price of oil has actually gone down in the last few days yet price at the pumps keep going up.
It was also reported that the oils companies are delibrately keeping prices up by refining less oil to artificialy inflate prices. This is why the Congress had decided to wade in inti this murky business.
I find this a very funny statement coming from someone who lives in America.

For one, the Clinton's relationship with the Mornarchy in the Middle East is far closer than that of Bush.  You lie when you say the price at the pumps keep going up. I bought gas into my wife's car last week for $3.38/gallon, and I just filled my car this morning at $3.03/gallon!  Why can't you guys be truthful for once?

The congress you are talking about is the main cause of higher gas prices. Bush planned to explore oil in Alaska to reduce America's dependence on foreign oil but the congress blocked it, he sought for laws to build more Nuclear power stations but the congress blocked it. No new refinery has been built in the U.S. for decades because the democrats would not allow it and yet you blame Bush for everything.

The Republican Governor of Minnesota just vetoed a bill by the Democrats who were increasing gas taxes again and yet we blame Republicans. Your effort only betrays your lack of knowledge or your blatant lies.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 2:49pm On Jun 01, 2007
Bankole01:

That Bush has a 26% approval rating is no lie. I live in America and this is his latest approval rating according to recent polls.
You are actually shameless in your deceit for someone who calls Bush a liar.Did you actually click on the links I gave you?  Let me put it up for the 3rd time-[url=http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval ]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval  [/url]
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Bankole01:

Someone said he lied under oath about not having sex with his intern! handling someone does not equate sex. Why was the House concerning itself to infidelity as if it was life threatening. It was witch hunt plain and simple.
This is not only dishonest but laughable  grin Clinton deposited under oath that he had no "sexual relations "with Monica Lewinsky.I don't know about you but receiving MouthAction repeatedly amounts to sexual relations

Do you have to be dishonest just to make your point? 

Bankole01:

That America today is enjoying a robust economy has nothing to do with Bush. It more to do with the racing economy of China and the Axis Tigers than with America as a whole. The acolades here do not go to Bush. The fact is American motor companies are losing market shares to Japan.
This is just hogwash.Economic growth in every nation on earth is affected by economic relations  with other nations.That is the logic of trade.Growth in China and the rest of the Asian Tigers is driven in large part by US consunmer spending.The receipts from such spending is re-invested in US securities and debts.

It was the case during Clinton's era and is the case in every nation on earth and in the era of every past President the US has had.Your submissions are just a cocktail of ignorance and dishonesty.

Bush's tax cuts have had a large part to play in US economic growth.Tax cuts boost consunmer spending and consunmer spending  drives about  2/3rds of the US economy.To ignore this is disingenuous on your part
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Bankole01(m): 4:04pm On Jun 01, 2007
@tayoD
"For one, the Clinton's relationship with the Mornarchy in the Middle East is far closer than that of Bush. You lie when you say the price at the pumps keep going up. I bought gas into my wife's car last week for $2.38/gallon, and I just filled my car this morning at $2.03/gallon! Why can't you guys be truthful for once?"

When did this become a personal issue between you and I? Where do you live man? gas at $2.03/ gallon?
Look I live in Denver, Co. There are two refineries within ten miles of my home,and I bought discount gas yesterday at $3.19/ gallon at Kingsoopers stores.
Is this a lie? You need to be more logical when you argue brother, guard your temperament and don't be childish!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by TayoD(m): 4:52pm On Jun 01, 2007
@Bankole01,

When did this become a personal issue between you and I?
It's no personal issue, just that you are presenting lies as facts.
Where do you live man? gas at $2.03/ gallon?
That was a typographical error which I already corrected. I meant to write $3.38 and $3.03 as against $2.38 and $2.03. The higher price was for last week as agisnt the lower price for this morning. so you are deliberately misleading people when you claim gas prices keep going up despite the fact that crude oil prices are falling.
Look I live in Denver, Co. There are two refineries within ten miles of my home,and I bought discount gas yesterday at $3.19/ gallon at Kingsoopers stores.
Can you find out when those refineries were built and if they have the capacity along with the others to meet the rising demand? Like I said, I bought gas this morning @3.02/gallon and please be honest enough to tell us what the difference in the cost of the gas is compared with yesterday.
Is this a lie? You need to be more logical when you argue brother, guard your temperament and don't be childish!!!!!!!!!!
The lie is you telling us that gas prices are not reflecting the falling costs of crude oil which they actually do. The illogical person here is you. You've presented lies as truth and in the process maligned another's character. Please prove I am childish by countering the facts I presented above!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by sisimose(f): 5:50pm On Jun 01, 2007
i have to laugh at this because if anyone knows the history of America and how it came to be then we wont be asking if Bush or anyone is destroying what it ''supoosedly'' stands for. America was built on one principle and one principle alone, it still stands by that one thing till this very day. Do i need to spell it out? wink
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 6:26pm On Jun 01, 2007
as I see people trying to justify George Bush's actions. However, I'm not going to get emotional about anything.
First off, to even be trying to compare Nigeria with the US in order to see who has actually performed worse just goes to tell you that W. really messed up.

Rigged the Election to get into office for his first tenure. Ballot papers were found loitering in as far away as Australia!

He started his administration with tax rebates. These tax rebates took money back from government coffers to the hand of the consumers and since there was so much money in the hands of the consumers, the producers wanted it so they reduced supply. Too much money chasing too few goods that's good ol' inflation. That's the genesis of how 1is almost $2 today.

Secondly, since the producers saw they were making equal amount of money by producing less, they didn't see the use of huge staff. Therefore job cuts in the early 2000. Even the companies that have been trying to cut jobs but didn't know how, the 911 disaster came as a good excuse.

US debt is now more than $7trillion. Come, I didn't say billion O! $7trillion! That's almost double where Clinton left it. Now, the US had a debt ceiling of $6trillion; when it got there, bush pushed for it to be $7trillion. Nothing dey happen. Now it's 7, he says $8trillion wouldn't be bad. And very few Americans know about this.

Infringement on constitutional rights is at it's worst. Americans used to have some freedoms like em lemme see, okay, when you get arrested at least you're sure of a phone call, a lawyer which even if you can't afford one, the state would provide for you. These new 911 act and antiterror laws that have been passed place the entire US in a state of emergency. And in a state of emergency, constitutional laws can be bypassed. You could be thrown in guantanamo and even if you can afford 200 lawyers, not one will be allowed to see you.

As a nigerian, you must have heard the term awaiting trial. That's when you're in jail without ever stepping into court. It was most prominent during the Abacha days. But did you ever think people would be held in the USA for four years without trial. Four years just for being a suspect. Do you people actually know that a suspect is innocent? It's only a convict that is guilty.

Now there's also the issue of wiretaps, bugging and reading of your email by Federal agents without necessary approval obtained through constitutional means. W. has also listed torture as one of the acceptable means of obtaining information from suspects. So watch out. The next time you're screaming "I know my rights" do you really?

Everybody is saying this and that about the attack on Iraq. The attack on Iraq was not based on 911. 7 months before 911, W. called his war cabinet together to gather logistics on the possibility of a war on Iraq. The Taliban and Alqaeda attacked the US, it wasn't Iraq. In fact W. asked his war chiefs if there was a possibility of linking the 911 incidence with Iraq and they all said no. It was well known in the intelligence community that Saddam and Bin Laden were enemies. Well, I can't tell you what happenned after that.

Did Dick Cheney enrich himself during this war. Well, $4billion contract to Haliburton to put out fires in Oil wells after the war. Which was later carried out at a cost of $75million! Hmmm. Is defineable as usury, that's like 5333%. Well, I really can't say.

Then of course there's the other contract for supply of military utilities bottled water, mattresses and meals. Now, what is an oil company doing feeding soldiers? Dem don become mama put? Oh lest I forget. Government auditors later admitted Halliburton overcharged more than $27million for the food.
But then again what is an oil company doing transporting mattresses to Iraq for the US Army. An Army with 9 warships currently in the Gulf, thousands of choppers and Humvees in Iraq. So is Dick really making any money from the war? The answer would be No! That's of course if I chose to be ignorant!

Furthermore, I know President George W. Bush has a personal reason for attacking Iraq partly to kill Saddam because Saddam tried to kill his daddy, partly to make Harken Energy one of the major players in the US petroleum market (silly me. I forgot to tell y'all that as Dick Cheney is to Halliburton, and OBJ is to Bells, George W. Bush is to Harken Energy). But no matter the Agenda, do you realise the cost of a human life? Soldiers are not chicken that you just sacrifice their lives for your own personal beliefs. More than 3000 US soldiers have been killed and I have personally taken time to look at the pictures little kids. More than 35% of them are below 20. Majority of them are south American immigrants some not even granted citizenship before they were rounded up to Iraq to die. Even one Nigerian. Some of them not even up to the age of watching porn. But recruited and sent to Iraq with a gun. I looked at their faces, their innocent smiles. I read the memorials posted by their families they all had mums and dads. By the way, let us not forget that George Bush was a military pilot during the Vietnam war and in 1972 he disappeared when it was time for him to make good on his obligations. E know say life sweet abi?

US citizens living like common "almajiris" in Louisiana 20 months after hurricane Katrina? Little is being done. Yet they can boldly send AID to Africa. Nature just created a little sample of the true African experience and they can't handle it. Approximately $25billion is needed to fix the damage done by the hurricane including rehabilitating the residents and W. says there's no money yet they are going to spend $380billion on Iraq. He has given Africa more than $30billion and is asking congress to approve another $30billion (this was yesterday 31st May 2007). If na your papa dey behave like this you go like am. You dey hospital e say e no get N25,000 for your operation yet e give one aristo chick N380,000, e donate N30,000 to charity organization for publicity sake. You no go kill am?

Complete and total deceit rather than transparency became rooted in the government. Scientists submitted a report of their observations on global warming which was meant for the UN, but W. felt it wouldn't get there till he added his own summissions. He edit the document to the extent that a paragraph reading "It is clear that emission of greenhouse gases and the combustion of carbon based fuels have a major role to play in the accelerated rate of global warming and melting of the solar ice caps"
was edited to read:
"it is NOT clear WHETHER emission of greenhouse gases and the combustion of carbon based fuels have ANY role to play in the accelerated rate of global warming and melting of the solar ice caps".
Then there is the completely deceptive story of Patrick D. Tillman. A man who would most probably have been aiming for MVP in the NFL by now. Killed by his own fellow soldier in Afghanistan. And if you think that is the sad part, then am really sorry for you. Do you know that rather than for the Bush Administration to let people use this death as a Judgement of whether progress is being made on the wars, he takes the whole story and twists it 360. Patrick Tillman was given a Silver star Medal of valour for sacrificing his own life to protect his troops against the Taliban. Tales were spun about how he dived on a grenade and let himself explode rather than letting it get to his comrades. This fallacious tale of courage and selflessness, thousands more of young Americans signed up in the army.
Then there's the issue of the pictures. Actual pictures and satellite photos of WMDs being moved up and down by Saddam in order to dodge weapons inspectors. There photos were shown to the UN security council as evidence. Now are there no more photos? No more intelligence to support? No more satellite imaging? Abi make we borrow them Nigersat1?

Do you not know that all the Aid given to Africa is a facade? When any of these Western powers has messed up big time and people want to start scrutinizing them, that's when they'll remember O mother Africa. Do you not see beggars and poor people living in trailer parks, homeless destitutes from the 2005 hurricane disasters. They've not recieved help, then they'll sign a check and send it on a jet all the way down here to Africa.
The most annoying part of this whole debate is that most of us in here are Nigerians who have been to Nigeria. Mention any project that has been commissione by the US with all these many, many billions. Was a school built in your area? Perhaps a road was constructed farmers were given capital. All they do is buy new jeeps and label them USAGE, organise one small conference and invite all the journalists in the world, then recycle the money back to private accounts. So where is the corruption now? Enron, worldcomm, tyco, Harken, World bank chief, even AOL, so where is the corruption now. Total lawlessness and power drunkenness to the extent that Dick shot Whittington in the heat of an argument and nobody investigated the issue. All we heard was hunting accident. Why didn't the Whittington himself shoot Cheney in the hunting accident. Make Jonathan Goodluck go mistakenly shoot anybody whether no be there him career and possibly him life sef go end.

Abeg George Bush has ruined the Image of the US.
Rights are abused, elections are rigged, documents are falsified, the country is placed in a state of emergency and ruled under marshall law for upwards of 4 years (here in Nigeria, a state of emergency was declared in Ekiti State and after 5 months, senate stood up against it.

Now someone mentioned increase in unemployment. Can you imagine a man who took a document which said "it certainly is A" and turned it into "we believe it might have been B".
Think how creative he could get with a document that says "There have been several job cuts in the aviation and manufacturing industry due to relocation of most manufacturer to China and India, thereby causing a rise in these countries GDP to levels above 9%."
W. could edit it to read: "There have been several jobs created especially in the aviation and manufacturing industries such as we have see in India and China. Level of unemployment is now below 4%."
yours sincerely,
George W.

By the way, you can hardly call recruiting youths to go and die in Iraq job creation.
GM will slash jobs, Nike will close down a factory and move to Asia, even DELL just slashed 9,000 jobs today. But go and check W.'s diary; these will all be listed under newly created jobs.

By the way, all of you debating for or against W., stop quoting from ridiculously biased websites. Search with google or log onto Wikipedia. Stop going to government websites or opposition blogs.

Take care all.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 6:45pm On Jun 01, 2007
O my God! I forgot that it was under George W. Bush's colonial rule in Iraq that Al Qaeda was finally able to gain entrance into Iraq? How could anyone forget that?
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 7:17pm On Jun 01, 2007
@denex

I have never seen a more detailed submission reeking with ignorance and lies on Nairaland.Let me go watch the England game,I will deal with the more egregious lies you have told
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 7:27pm On Jun 01, 2007
@ Iman

Ye! So England Match has started? Meanwhile, please don't call me ignorant; I dey beat person O! What you need to do is pick a few search words from each topic I discussed one at a time and search properly on an efficient search engine. Thank you very much. George Bush matter never reach for me to begin insult my brother. So take it easy.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 9:00pm On Jun 01, 2007
@ Iman.

Sorry, I think I made a mistake about the US national debt. It's now actually $8,821,710,126,849. Maybe while I was typin that long message W. just decided to borrow another $800 billion.
Well you can check it out yourself.

www.brillig.com/debt_clock
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Bankole01(m): 9:26pm On Jun 01, 2007
@ denex
I'm sorry I didn't warn you about stating very obvious facts. Some call them lies because they think they have the knowledge they actually lack.

Peace. No need to fight.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Tornadoz(m): 9:42pm On Jun 01, 2007
I see I-man ran away to do more research when denex produce this great article.Lol

@Bankole01

Be prepared to be called names. Lol
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 10:21pm On Jun 01, 2007
@denex
Your lies just dey too much so I talk say make I watch the England game first ;DThis by all means,the worst collection of lies I have seen on NL

denex:

Infringement on constitutional rights is at it's worst. Americans used to have some freedoms like em let me see, okay, when you get arrested at least you're sure of a phone call, a lawyer which even if you can't afford one, the state would provide for you. These new 911 act and antiterror laws that have been passed place the entire US in a state of emergency. And in a state of emergency, constitutional laws can be bypassed. You could be thrown in guantanamo and even if you can afford 200 lawyers, not one will be allowed to see you.
Constituitonal rights are its worst ? As a black man,you think Americans have less rights in 2007 than in the 18th and early 19th century,when there was slavery .So you prefer then? What about when there was segregation?You prefer that period to 2007?When you had to get to the back of the bus,that is what u prefer?

What about during the 2nd World War,the last time America was attacked untill 9/11,the entire Japanese population in America was interned.Do you prefer that? It didn't matter whether they had US citizenship,as long as you were of Japnese descent,you were locked up.

Another lie you told was that Americans used to be sure of a lawyer,but that now America is in state of emergency ,hence they are not sure of a lawyer.You hear that folks,Denex says America is in a state of emergency.Now that is a blatant lie! Every American is entitled to a lawyer and this remains the case today

You see why I was saying you were telling lies?
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 10:27pm On Jun 01, 2007
denex:


As a nigerian, you must have heard the term awaiting trial. That's when you're in jail without ever stepping into court. It was most prominent during the Abacha days. But did you ever think people would be held in the USA for four years without trial. Four years just for being a suspect. Do you people actually know that a suspect is innocent? It's only a convict that is guilty.
I don't think people would be held in the USA for 4 years without trial for the simple reason that nobody has been held in the USA without trial.Unless Guantanamo Bay is in the USA.Now for someone who doesn't know simple geography,maybe you should have kept quiet.

The only time someone has been held in the USA without trial was when the entire Japanese population was interned.No American is held in Guantanamo Bay.If you think that this is the first time America is holding foreigners captured during military conflict in a foreign location,you must be one ignorant oaf
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 10:42pm On Jun 01, 2007
denex:

US citizens living like common "almajiris" in Louisiana 20 months after hurricane Katrina? Little is being done. Yet they can boldly send AID to Africa. Nature just created a little sample of the true African experience and they can't handle it. Approximately $25billion is needed to fix the damage done by the hurricane including rehabilitating the residents and W. says there's no money yet they are going to spend $380billion on Iraq. He has given Africa more than $30billion and is asking congress to approve another $30billion (this was yesterday 31st May 2007). If na your papa dey behave like this you go like am. You dey hospital e say e no get N25,000 for your operation yet e give one aristo chick N380,000, e donate N30,000 to charity organization for publicity sake. You no go kill am?

Anybody reading this would think that the cost of Katrina is about $25 billion and that Bush has refused to contribute it.Bush as at August 2006,had spent $122 billion on Hurricane Katrina-http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008860   .To put that in perspective,other disasters-9/11,Hurricane Andrew,LA Earthquake,other hurricanes-incurred FG expenditure of $56 billion.Bush has spent,for Hurricane Katrina alone, more than double the amount spent on other tragedies that cost even more lives.

Here is Denex,presumably a Nigerian,complaining that Bush has spent money on Africa.Is that not ridiculous? Why is an African complaining that Bush has tripled direct aid to Africa? Or that money on HIV/AIDS has gone up from $547 million under Clinton to $6billion under Bush per annum?.I don't see American Jews complaining about sending money to Isreal
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 10:57pm On Jun 01, 2007
denex:


Did Dick Cheney enrich himself during this war.

The short answer is no.Cheney has no financial ties that is linked to the performance of Haliburton.He has pre-agreed defered payments for 5 years but none of this has anything to do with Haliburton's performance.Whether Haliburton makes a profit or a loss has no effect on Cheney's finances.

Another thing people forget about Haliburton is that it has been the main supplier of military utilities since the Vietnam war.It won exclusive contracts under Clinton for the Kosovo campaign and also won such rights for Gulf War 1
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 11:04pm On Jun 01, 2007
denex:


Now someone mentioned increase in unemployment. Can you imagine a man who took a document which said "it certainly is A" and turned it into "we believe it might have been B".
Think how creative he could get with a document that says[b] "There have been several job cuts in the aviation and manufacturing industry due to relocation of most manufacturer to China and India, thereby causing a rise in these countries GDP to levels above 9%."
W. could edit it to read: "There have been several jobs created especially in the aviation and manufacturing industries such as we have see in India and China. Level of unemployment is now below 4%."
yours sincerely,[/b]
George W.

By the way, you can hardly call recruiting youths to go and die in Iraq job creation.
GM will slash jobs, Nike will close down a factory and move to Asia, even DELL just slashed 9,000 jobs today. But go and check W.'s diary; these will all be listed under newly created jobs.

What in God's name are you talking about? You have lost me here.Are you saying that Bush alters the the employment statistics? Is that your way of explaining away the good employment figures ?

Let me ask you a question.How many Democrat politicians challenge US unemployment figures? How many have challenged that its not 4.5%?

I just realised the complete folly in battling your ilk.When you start to question stats that are not challenged by anyone,what good is it debating further?
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by MILITIA(f): 11:20pm On Jun 01, 2007
It still amazes me that with all the sound analysis rendered above about the "Bush" man's policies, Americans still voted him for a second term.  No wonder Nigerian Yahoo boys and girls are conning these mugus left, right and center for large sums of money via cyber space.  Majority of them are not smart at all.  No vision or foresight, not to talk of critical thinking ability.  Worst still, no concept of actions and consequences.  They believe too much in those Nintendo/ Dungeon and Dragon video games they play all day long.  What a pity.  I really would like to see what the president of the U.S. of A. would look like in the next 25 years.  Y'all might just fall in love with this "Bush" man and his vice from Britain---Ewu Blairrrrrrr!!!!! cheesy It will get worse.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 12:08am On Jun 02, 2007
@I-man
I thought I could reach out to even a single strand of civility in you but your savage response shows that you've taken in some of this bush attitude. Do you live in Texas?
So you are telling me that on the issue of Guantanamo, if I kidnap people and keep them in my neighbour's house then it's okay.

By the way, I'm talking about human rights and your moronic ideology could not hold that species as one. You had to start tribal and racial racial segregations. You must be a very sick idiot if you have to compare the times of slavery to George Bush's tenure, unless of course you're trying to propound that George Bush freed the slaves!

Now if you took simple arithmetics you'd be able to solve this problem. The damage caused by Katrina is $25billion maybe you should say the BBC lying not me. I didn't go to the gulf to start counting houses. I read the report. Now if the total damage done by the hurricane cost $25 billion, why is George Bush claiming he gave them $120billion? To do what? Build a another extra state? And if a problem that costs N25 billion is allocated N120 billion do you think it'd still be there?
Only a decorated dim wit such as yourself will not see that that fund is being diverted.

And lastly you were finding it so hard to belief that George Bush would publish fake economic figures. A man you photographed fake Weapons of Mass Destruction, who awarded a fake Silver star for valour, who wrote fake climate reports? You're delusional!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by MILITIA(f): 12:21am On Jun 02, 2007
denex, you know that the cost of rebuilding is going to be 6 times the damage cost by Bush's arithmetic. grin
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by TayoD(m): 12:25am On Jun 02, 2007
Now you guys are turning this forum into an avenue to throw slurs around. I will have to excuse myself from the discussions if it continues this way.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 12:43am On Jun 02, 2007
[i]Abeg George Bush has ruined the Image of the US.
Rights are abused, elections are rigged, documents are falsified, the country is placed in a state of emergency and ruled under marshall law for upwards of 4 years (here in Nigeria, a state of emergency was declared in Ekiti State and after 5 months, senate stood up against it.

Is the US placed under a state of emergency ? Is it ruled by martial law? Which planet does Denex live on?
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 12:57am On Jun 02, 2007
Tayo am sorry but you know I came in here with all respect and some up to no good, half truth ignoramus starts trying to diss me? For what? You can imagine somebody that can praise George Bush because African-Americans enjoy more freedom under his tenure than during the slave trade.
I'm talking about human beings being maltreated and someone is trying to argue the exact location. Of the crime. I'm almost shedding tears here because this is the same thing that happened in Rwanda where people were being massacred with machetes and some buffoons in the US were arguing over the true definition of GENOCIDE.

I don't know where I-man comes from in Nigeria, but I would like him to send a letter home to relatives asking them one question: what project has USAID commissioned in the LGA. Now am not really angry that government officials are stealing money. It's their money, not my money so they can steal it. But let them not claim that they gave me. They will discourage genuine donors like Japan. That is all I have against this whole AFRICAID scam. They can keep bombing their AID and GRANT format, but just don't name me as the recipient.
By the way, how can a president who cannot pay his own debt of about $8,800,000,000,000 be giving aid to another president that just paid up his.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by TayoD(m): 1:09am On Jun 02, 2007
@denex,

as I see people trying to justify George Bush's actions. However, I'm not going to get emotional about anything.
First off, to even be trying to compare Nigeria with the US in order to see who has actually performed worse just goes to tell you that W. really messed up.
America is far different from Nigeria and vice versa. However, comparisons between nations is in order when considering relative economic progrss and retrogrssion. It is funny how you guys tag Bush the worst President in U.S. histroy and yet you do not want us to compare him to past Presidents. You claim Americans are worse off under his presidency and yet we cannot compare the relative lifestyles of Americans and other nations. So what is the basis of these discussions?!

Rigged the Election to get into office for his first tenure. Ballot papers were found loitering in as far away as Australia!
How could he have rigged an election when the democrats held the balance of power? Please explain that to us. The democrats would have impeached him long ago if he was involved in any criminality. Do spare us the speculations.

He started his administration with tax rebates. These tax rebates took money back from government coffers to the hand of the consumers and since there was so much money in the hands of the consumers, the producers wanted it so they reduced supply. Too much money chasing too few goods that's good ol' inflation. That's the genesis of how �1is almost $2 today.
Your analogy will readily deceive people who do not think it through properly. Let's assume the money is left in the hands of the government (which producers are also aware of). Why would they not increase the cost of goods just to lay hold of that money in Government's hands, knowing fully well that the government will always subsidise the price of goods in order to be affordable.  The difference between the money in the hands of the government and the people is just a matter of switching the roles of the bigger consumer!
Think of it this way. The government never invests money but spends it! Citizens are the investors who think of how to make more money with the one they have in hand. So who do you think will boost better economic growth with more money in hand? The governent (a perpetual spender) or the citizens ( the perpetual investor).

Secondly, since the producers saw they were making equal amount of money by producing less, they didn't see the use of huge staff. Therefore job cuts in the early 2000. Even the companies that have been trying to cut jobs but didn't know how, the 911 disaster came as a good excuse.
Can you please give us a good example. Let me start by citing the case Ford Motors who consider job cuts necessary just so they could cut their losses, and not to multiply profits as you have claimed.

US debt is now more than $7trillion. Come, I didn't say billion O! $7trillion! That's almost double where Clinton left it. Now, the US had a debt ceiling of $6trillion; when it got there, bush pushed for it to be $7trillion. Nothing dey happen. Now it's 7, he says $8trillion wouldn't be bad. And very few Americans know about this.
Americans are well aware of what is going on. The goverment always raise the ceiling each time they need more money.  If you will follow the history of American National Debt, you will realise that America was not in debt until the First World War. The debt would have been paid up but for World War 2. Now America is in another war and the National debt, though increasing, has helped to ward off any recession.  Imaging a growing economy in the midst of such war spending bill. Like all othe past debts, the present one will be paid off and Bush has actually reduced the national deficit by half ahead of his planned schecule.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by Iman3(m): 1:23am On Jun 02, 2007
@Denex

You said "infringement on constituitonal rights are at its worst".The US has been existing since 1776.How can you say that this Adminstration's record on constituitonal rights are "at its worst"?

How can you say that the US is under a state of emergency and that martial law has been declared by Bush?
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 1:28am On Jun 02, 2007
My dear brother, you keep mentioning the war as the reason for more debt, slow economic growth and all other woes. You forget to remember that it was one man that started this war and therefore caused all these problems.

Secondly it is sad that you do not really know what martial law is. It's not when you seen men carrying swords sound the streets beating up citizens the way you see in old kungfu movies. It is when a bill is passed into something like the antiterror law that makes provision for peoples houses to be searched without permits, privacy invaded, detention without trial based on suspicion of intent to distabilise the entity. It also increases executive powers and the gives the commander in chief of the military room to act unilaterally with the aid of veto powers. That is the bill that was passed after 911. Almighty powers to the president, commander in chief of the armed forces. And the worst part is that the people don't know it yet.
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 1:46am On Jun 02, 2007
The bill makes a provision that if you suspect someone is a criminal, you can't just barge into their houses and start searching. Unless of course you suspect they are terrorists, then search on.
You can't just go ahead a tap somebody's phone because you suspect the person is a criminal till you are granted a permit unless of course you think that person is a terrorist then what are you waiting for? Tap that line immediately.
You cannot arrest and detain anyone on the basis of a hunch, without evidence or conviction. But does that hunch tell you he's a terrorist? Well then arrest the bastard and send him to Guantanamo indefinitely. Meanwhile we'll keep searching for evidence. If we don't find any evidence after maybe four years, we can let him go.

This is simply the basic provisions of the US antiterror laws pushed forward by bush. Guilty until proven innocent.

Oh there's one more: the president should only obey the mandate of the people as expressed by congress only if he likes. If he doesn't like, he can veto it and do what he like.
This is what Martial Law is. Temporary dictatorship till things stabilize. Only in the case of George Bush, things in the US haven't stabilized yet shey it's been more than five years now.
Well, God HELP America!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 1:50am On Jun 02, 2007
In layman terms:

The bill makes a provision that if you suspect someone is a criminal, you can't just barge into their houses and start searching. Unless of course you suspect they are terrorists, then search on.
You can't just go ahead a tap somebody's phone because you suspect the person is a criminal till you are granted a permit unless of course you think that person is a terrorist then what are you waiting for? Tap that line immediately.
You cannot arrest and detain anyone on the basis of a hunch, without evidence or conviction. But does that hunch tell you he's a terrorist? Well then arrest the bastard and send him to Guantanamo indefinitely. Meanwhile we'll keep searching for evidence. If we don't find any evidence after maybe four years, we can let him go.

This is simply the basic provisions of the US antiterror laws pushed forward by bush. Guilty until proven innocent.

Oh there's one more: the president should only obey the mandate of the people as expressed by congress only if he likes. If he doesn't like, he can veto it and do what he like.
This is what Martial Law is. Temporary dictatorship till things stabilize. Only in the case of George Bush, things in the US haven't stabilized yet shey it's been more than five years now.
Well, God HELP America!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by denex: 2:22am On Jun 02, 2007
One thing I really expected from all you on the proBUSH bank of the river is to declare what he has achieved. Did he finally resolve the middle east crisis? Did he curb pollution? What did he do? Has he even built the missile defence system that was on his campaign Manifesto? At least OBJ still turned Nigeria Airways to virgin Nigeria, solidify the banking and insurance industry, improve telecomms by more than 1000% with GSM and internet, launched Tinapa, maintained a stable currency. Even look at the entertainment industry in Nigeria. It was OBJ that compelled all the TV stations towards 100% local content starting with his own NTA. That is why we have what obtains in the Industry today.
So abeg, somebody tell me what the man Bush has achieved in the past seven years. Oh I forgot. He couldn't do much because of the war. The war which he started in the first place!

The silliest statement I've ever heard anyone make was when Bush was asked this year if he thought the war on Iraq was a success or a failure.
He said it was a success that is yet to happen. A SUCCESS THAT IS YET TO HAPPEN?! What a load of Dynosaur crap! After four years, any success yet to happen is a massive FAILURE!
Re: Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? by TayoD(m): 3:25am On Jun 02, 2007
@denex,

One thing I really expected from all you on the proBUSH bank of the river is to declare what he has achieved.
I for one have had to clear up all the lies and misconceptions so far that I've not had the time to get to this.

Did he finally resolve the middle east crisis?
So you expect him to solve a century old problem on two terms? If you hold Clinton to the same standard, perhaps the middle east problem would have been solved befoe Bush came on board!

Did he curb pollution? What did he do?
Here is I-man's post earlier in answer to this: For someone calling Bush a liar,you just told a blatant lie. Here are the real facts as Henry Payne pointed out in a recent article: Lead air levels dropped 96% since 1980,sulfur dioxide dropped 63%,carbod monoxide concentrations reduced 74%In addition, fine particulate matter was reduced 40 percent. Soot, nitrogen oxide and organic compounds have all decreased as well. In fact, in all of last year, there was not a single code red ozone day. Not one.-http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba577/

The lower the pollutants get,the higher the rhetorics from environmentalists who survive on raising alarm.

What about greenhouse emissions?That fell 1.3% even as the economy grew 3.3% last year.Significant since its the first time emissions have fallen in a non-reccession year since 1990-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/23/AR2007052301510.html


Has he even built the missile defence system that was on his campaign Manifesto?
That is in progress despite Russia's tantrums.

At least OBJ still turned Nigeria Airways to virgin Nigeria, solidify the banking and insurance industry, improve telecomms by more than 1000% with GSM and internet, launched Tinapa, maintained a stable currency. Even look at the entertainment industry in Nigeria. It was OBJ that compelled all the TV stations towards 100% local content starting with his own NTA. That is why we have what obtains in the Industry today.
Are you so quick to turn your back on your own principles by comparing Naija to America? How relevant is this to our discussion?

So abeg, somebody tell me what the man Bush has achieved in the past seven years. Oh I forgot. He couldn't do much because of the war. The war which he started in the first place!
Bush got off-track after 911 and I just hope you are not among the conspiracy theorists who claim America carried out that attack.
Now let us list the things that Bush has done;
*  Libya giving up its nuclear plans
*  North Korea giving uo her nuclear plans.
*  No more Taleban
*  Democracy in Iraq
*  Women now voting in Saudi Arabia
*  Egypt moving more towards democracy
*  Trade with Africa is at its highest
*  Elimination of import taxes for all African goods entering the U.S.
*  The stock market is breaking its records almost every week.
*  Home ownership (especially amoing minorities) is at the highest ever
*  Unemployment rate is at record lows etc,

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