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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by paparazi1(m): 10:40am On Feb 09, 2020
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?
God is Holy and perfect at all times. His behaviour is not erratic like man. But He create all things
both bad and good and can use them whenever he wishes for specific purposes and reasons Joel 2: 25b
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Emmzi(m): 10:45am On Feb 09, 2020
OP note: the spirit "OF" the LORD and an evil spirit "FROM" the LORD.
"from" means a place of origin; while "of" means a part to a whole.
evil spirits or demons were once angels or God's creation, but they rebelled.
Since Saul was no longer under God's grace, he was subject to torment from the demons or evil spirit.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 10:49am On Feb 09, 2020
MamaFryo:


If you know you know. If only you can choose to free your mind to learn deep, one day you will realise that since we were not made to choose our family, our place and date of birth, our natural gender, our race...something somewhere controls all these. So when you were born and you now start thinking about how you got here, you start thinking you are in control. There was a writer who first chose you and assigned you to play the role you play. Whatever choice you make is as a result of what you are meant to do. This explains why there will always be criminals, terrorists, witchcraft, lunatics, gentlemen, poor, rich, kind and wicked people on this stage called earth. Someone has to play the role to keep the play on. Any society without all these characters does not exist in reality...na fiction.

What do I even know se f?
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by k2money(m): 10:49am On Feb 09, 2020
You belief that shit at your own peril
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by k2money(m): 10:51am On Feb 09, 2020
uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school. grin
If so why have he not destroyed terrorist?
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 10:51am On Feb 09, 2020
Emmzi:
OP note: the spirit "OF" the LORD and an evil spirit "FROM" the LORD.
"from" means a place of origin; while "of" means a part to a whole.
evil spirits or demons were once angels or God's creation, but they rebelled.
Since Saul was no longer under God's grace, he was subject to torment from the demons or evil spirit.

Hmmm...ok. Thanks. But the point of encounter with Saul, were they still from God? Part of God?
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by orunmila144: 10:52am On Feb 09, 2020
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?
ISAIAH 45 VS 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

thats your answer above there from the mouth of GOD himself
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by k2money(m): 10:52am On Feb 09, 2020
David family wrote the Bible and start going against the family that are threat to them. David did more harm than Saul.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Kenneth10110(m): 10:59am On Feb 09, 2020
Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.


You don't need to call him a fool for you have also sinned and our God never insulted us because if he does where will his grace abide in us. We we're thought not to insult others
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by SenecaTheYonger: 11:02am On Feb 09, 2020
All power comes from God. People sometimes misuse the power God has given them. Many prophets did in the bible. Even the one that made wild animals to attack children because he was called bald.

Sometimes, God out of his mercifiul heart might chose to empower you but we missuse this power.

The devil was once an angel. The power he has was not created by him. All source of power come from GOD.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by BearHugss(f): 11:07am On Feb 09, 2020
salford1:

Absolutely. He kept using the word "fool" as if his life depends on that word. Shame on him.
Very appalling

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by omoadeleye(m): 11:10am On Feb 09, 2020
You don't need to be asking this type of questions, how do you expect us to know the right answer for you? Only God knows why...
If you're really starving for the answer, pray your way to heaven and ask God the direct question.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Righteousness89(m): 11:12am On Feb 09, 2020
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

The same Reason GOD Almighty put a lying Spirit in the Mouth of the Prophets of Isreal during the Tenure of King Ahab..

When a Man has Rejected GOD'S ways and Instructions, Judgement looms on His Head..
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Nicedavo(m): 11:20am On Feb 09, 2020
Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.

Do you have to call someone a fool several times in order to make your points? And you're sounding so sure u have the knowledge of the bible yet ignorant urself.

OP is confused and wanted a clarification and not a fool as you tagged him.

Please correct with love.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by BotafogoJunior(m): 11:27am On Feb 09, 2020
1StopRudeness:


damn free will?? We are all acting a script?? You are more weird than an the average atheist....

No one is forced to do anything, yes there’s are influencing forces all around us in the universe, from the wind to water, to heat, to force of love hatred, to the tv, the internet, the radio, even other humans are all everyday influencers...but an influence is only a thought in the mind... u still have the right to say no or yes..
a 15year old boy that killed a 9year old in Scotland in 2019 after raping her said he was influenced by pornographic content...but he still had his free will...we only become the thoughts we entertain and succumb to.... we are all acting a script wey your uncle write for wale adenuga production............shior!!!!

Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by BotafogoJunior(m): 11:29am On Feb 09, 2020
1StopRudeness:


damn free will?? We are all acting a script?? You are more weird than an the average atheist....

No one is forced to do anything, yes there’s are influencing forces all around us in the universe, from the wind to water, to heat, to force of love hatred, to the tv, the internet, the radio, even other humans are all everyday influencers...but an influence is only a thought in the mind... u still have the right to say no or yes..
a 15year old boy that killed a 9year old in Scotland in 2019 after raping her said he was influenced by pornographic content...but he still had his free will...we only become the thoughts we entertain and succumb to....

we are all acting a script wey your uncle write for wale adenuga production abi??..............shior!!!
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Nobody: 11:36am On Feb 09, 2020
BotafogoJunior:
we are all acting a script wey your uncle write for wale adenuga production abi??..............shior!!!

Who is this?? Can you even read and comprehend well??
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by etzmiezbee(f): 11:37am On Feb 09, 2020
The answer to this is WHY DID GOD ALLOW SATAN TO TEMPT SAUL?

Everything God did, we human being cannot question it and all is to the glory of his supremacy
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by ronaldbecky(m): 11:44am On Feb 09, 2020
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?
Oga u dey ask big big question...there is no answer to it cus God s God..take it or leave it.....u fit form ur god to tackle God why him allow d evil spirit
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by victorazyvictor(m): 11:48am On Feb 09, 2020
HacheNoire:



All your beliefs are fictions.

Jesus discussing with devil?

Cartoons!

What do you know.

God is the creator of all.
Satan or Devil is the absence of God.

All powers belongs to him.
Devil is there to help prosper God's work.

(The topic is beyond your comprehension)
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by DedeNkem: 11:55am On Feb 09, 2020
uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school. grin

Because your imaginary god creates and loves evil.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by JastSiryin(m): 12:00pm On Feb 09, 2020
Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.
You're the biggest idiot I've come across so far... If you didn't have an answer to give why didn't you just shut da hell up!?... It's your type that would never speak their mind, nor clear their doubts. End up going the grave a complete dunce that never really learned anything, neither could you exercise true faith in God because of those lingering doubts. Everyone has them, believe me. You just want to be ignorant, and somehow you think that's what faith is. Blind belief. You're clearly suffering from symptoms of fanaticism, I wish you a quick recovery bro. grin

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Blakjewelry(m): 12:05pm On Feb 09, 2020
paparazi1:
Abeg you in the name of God, don't say what you are not sure of, else you
attract the wrath of God. You don't even know what might be added or subtracted from your life Deut 4:2, Rev 22:18
what you are claiming here is not true, is either you don't understand what you read or is base on some forms of
fake occult nonsensical beliefs or teachings which should not be considered at all.
My friend go and sit down somewhere, where was yahweh when other gods were reigning supreme. Oh you think because your pastor said this and that it means that is the absolute truth. Some part of the Bible is history I agree, but you forget that there are older cultures and history which some part of the Bible is based on. I was once like you but unlike you, my hunger for knowledge is unquenchable.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by StPete: 12:11pm On Feb 09, 2020
1StopRudeness:


Permit me to take it from here, Just like cold same is darkness....what do I mean? Cold is really not a thing, it’s just an absence of heat....
Likewise Darkness, it’s not an entity, I mean it’s not an energy or force like light, it’s only a void that sort of manifest once light becomes automatically absent...
This automatic presence and absence is governed by the principle of balance in the universe... u don’t prepare for success, u have automatically prepared for failure...u choose not to show love..u think you are sitting in the fence noooo!!! U have automatically subscribed for the hate side...
In relation to Saul, he stepped out of the boundaries of his relationship with the spirit of light, automatically the void is filled by evil or darkness...
Is the darkness from God who the Bible reports to be holy.?? Technically yes!! The Bible said he made all things... yes the Bible also gave other attributes of God, he’s judge the engineer of balance I earlier mentioned...
as an atheist, you want to play God’s card of holiness but you don’t want to play his card of balance....is that not why both Christians and Muslims an atheist alike are subject to same things....the same Bible u quoted also say he’s no respecter of person...he ensures balance, I don’t think he can enforce such balance without his holiness side otherwise he’ll be partial....

However, the unseen factors that guides the execution of balance is what I don’t know as a man....I don’t see all the angles......# my opinion

Beautifully written
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by josephogaga: 12:12pm On Feb 09, 2020
Inteltower:


and who are you sir ?
do you know that I can by the spirit inflict you with a deadly disease ?

because I know the only one I fear
you don't know me and my conscience is clear if you dare me you will see.
don't forget the power of the Holy spirit you accuser of God

My dear we r in the era of Grace, even when Christ was a walking flesh he didn't afflict people, like what u are about to do now, study the book of Mathew 5:38..

This is y knowledge to the blacks are limited cus it will be miss use, small anointing u have now u, u are now talking like a God
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Nobody: 12:15pm On Feb 09, 2020
What is Truth? I cannot tell, but when you eventually know; all arguments disappear.

What is not Truth? I will tell you.

Beware,
Whatever needs arguments or human logics to survive; it is not Truth.

Beware,
Whatever doctrines or dogmas that gives you feelings of superiority (instead of love) over others; it is not Truth.

Beware,
Whatever belief that can be corrupted if not well guarded; it is not Truth.

Truth can never be destroyed, neither can it be protected nor documented.

However, there is truth in everything; even in lies but who can see? He who believes nothing and he who condemns nothing stand a better chance of knowing Truth.

If it can be argued, then, it is not the absolute TRUTH. Keep your mind opened, when truth enters all defending walls collapse and you'll be free.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by travelland(f): 12:19pm On Feb 09, 2020
This world is a mystery, na still God close Hannah's womb, if you read old testament you'll notice that God is capable of inflicting diseases on people but we keep holding devil accountable grin. People don't know that devil has power and God is still merciful to him if not he would have destroyed him completely. God doesn't even fight him, He leaves him for angels to tackle. That's why we ask angels and saints to help us iintercede, they are the ones that know how to tackle satan effectively
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by DavidEsq(m): 12:25pm On Feb 09, 2020
The bad spirit was said to be from God because God permitted it to waya Saul. That spirit wasn't in the form of a demon. It was Saul's own inward inclination/urge to do wrong. This is so because at Matthew 15:19, the scriptures tell us that Jesus explained that it is "out of the heart that wicked reasonings, sexual immorality ......... And every sought of evil spring from". This means that no evil spirit can override our own resolve to do good. The bad spirit that tormented Saul was as a result of Saul rejecting God's holy Spirit, so the evil spirit took over and all his impure urges took over. Jealousy ate him up. If an evil spirit actually took his person, e for crase gan gan grin.
Lastly, James 1:17 tells us that "every good gift/thing comes from God". Jesus also explained that "good and bad water cannot come the same source". In other words, God cannot be an embodiment of both good and evil.
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by josephogaga: 12:25pm On Feb 09, 2020
There r always two things... life and death, God and devil, good and bad, light and darkness,. Etc...
The devil is the other side of of God, that doesn't mean God is using the devil for his work, no no no..
There r edge God have place around every man, but if the edge is being broken,Satan will attack immediately, the devil move from and to, looking for whom to devour, God didn't have any darkness or any evil spirit from him
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by k2money(m): 12:35pm On Feb 09, 2020
Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.
Why are you defending your wicked God?
If the story happens to be in Africa you people would have label that God evil.

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