The rescue team go con catch the virus too

VivaDeAngelo:
Strong thing is really happening to China. Hope their present ordeal doesn't cripple their economy.

it will bro that's if it hasn't even crippled it sef

oz4real83:
The moment China proposed editing the holy bible to suit communist idealogies, calamities started befalling them. I no talk again oooo

What is it to edit in thei bible when you already have over 50 editions of bibles?. Do you know you now have Queen James Version where 'she' is used for everywhere 'he' is used for Jesus?. Do you know their is Gay Bible?. Do you know their is Satanic bible, Kiddie Bible and the list goes on. Dont Chinese govt persecute her muslim citizens too and tried to edit Quran to suit themselves before the calamities stroke them?. Should we say these things happened to them bcus of all that?.

The building collapsed becos it was made in china!

Omooba77:


Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-hotel-collapse-coronavirus-quarantine-fujian-province-death-latest-a9384546.html

LIAR .
THIS COLLAPSED BUILDING HAS BEEN ON FRONT PAGE SOME MONTHS AGO

oz4real83:
The moment China proposed editing the holy bible to suit communist idealogies, calamities started befalling them. I no talk again oooo

what nonsense is this? Keep quiet

sometimes people like this should learn b4 talking!! am sure ur jesus taught u some ethics of "COMMON SENSE " the 3 people on the cross, should ring some bells, even its written in ur bible that............. Psalm 73: The Suffering of the Righteous and the Success of Sinners
Introduction
My first occasion to preach from Psalm 73 resulted from a tragedy within our church family. The telephone awakened me in the early hours of the morning. The voice on the other end of the line was that of a friend, whose words were enough to shock me out of my slumber. “I hate to bother you at this hour of the night, Bob, but I just discovered that my wife beside me here in bed is dead.”

She was only 28 years old, a godly woman and a devoted wife and mother. There was no apparent cause for her death at the time, nor has there been any medical explanation to this day. It was her husband’s employer whose comment caused me to turn to our text of Scripture for the funeral message. He said something like this: “Why is it that the good always die young?”

The fundamental question underlying Psalm 73 is, “How can a good God allow the righteous to suffer?”

PervertProphet:


Headslamming Clown.

Allah couldn't stop the Coronavirus from spreading and killing Muslims in places like Iran, Iraq, etcetera, abi!!!

Saudi Arabia even had to reject some from coming over for Hajj (one of the most important duty of all Muslims) from Coronavirus infected country.

Is Saudi Arabia not the country of Allah?!!!

And Allah couldn't protect it.

That is how one mumu Sheikh was lying about the Pedophile Prophet Muhammad predicting this Coronovirus. Till the particular hadith was opened and we discovered it was nothing like that. OYA TAKE SENSE<<<<<>>>>>>

The Sheikh had to be educated by Ex-muslim,Sameer on the difference between bacteria that happened with the plague and this virus. Silly Taqiyyists.

Olamywealth10:
sometimes people like this should learn b4 talking!! am sure ur jesus taught u some ethics of "COMMON SENSE " the 3 people on the cross, should ring some bells, even its written in ur bible that............. Psalm 73: The Suffering of the Righteous and the Success of Sinners
Introduction
My first occasion to preach from Psalm 73 resulted from a tragedy within our church family. The telephone awakened me in the early hours of the morning. The voice on the other end of the line was that of a friend, whose words were enough to shock me out of my slumber. “I hate to bother you at this hour of the night, Bob, but I just discovered that my wife beside me here in bed is dead.”

She was only 28 years old, a godly woman and a devoted wife and mother. There was no apparent cause for her death at the time, nor has there been any medical explanation to this day. It was her husband’s employer whose comment caused me to turn to our text of Scripture for the funeral message. He said something like this: “Why is it that the good always die young?”

The fundamental question underlying Psalm 73 is, “How can a good God allow the righteous to suffer?”

You claim to be from "your Church family" but before then you say something about "your Jesus didn't teach...."

Abdul Taqiyyist.

Hahahaha! So the Jesus is mine but it's not yours, right? And you are also preaching Jesus. You won't come further with your lies. You are denying now that you are a Muslim?!!
And obviously you understand that only Jesus Christ possess teachings that are higher in wisdom as we can't find "commonsense" in the teachings of Muhammad.

The way you even write lacks so much "commonsense" that I considered if I should reply you or not. I never got the head or tail of the message you were trying to convey.

You also mentioned Psalms 73. I doubt you have read it. It basically taught a lesson of how the wicked looks all fly and prosperous and suddenly they are descended into destruction and also of the foolishness of the righteous who envy the wicked that looks all fly and prosperous even while they momentarily suffer but for the Psalmist or the righteous who stays encouraged and clings to YWHW despite all of these will be held up by YWHH who is Jesus (as this is same type of teaching Jesus brought) into glory of YHWH and not Allah.

So I don't get the connection between this and Mecca that it was promised as a place no form of disaster will come near or are you implying that Saudi Arabia looking all fly and prosperous and suddenly this Coronavirus is now being used as destruction on them by YWHH not Allah?!!

Seriously, I don't know if you have a brain.

Empiree:
What is it to edit in thei bible when you already have over 50 editions of bibles?. Do you know you now have Queen James Version where 'she' is used for everywhere 'he' is used for Jesus?. Do you know their is Gay Bible?. Do you know their is Satanic bible, Kiddie Bible and the list goes on. Dont Chinese govt persecute her muslim citizens too and tried to edit Quran to suit themselves before the calamities stroke them?. Should we say these things happened to them bcus of all that?.

Abdul of Pedophilia.

How do you expect any serious researcher to respond to this bunch of joke that you present to save face on Islam?

You think it's just the Bible that the LGBT people are trying to re-write to force in their homosexuality? They are also doing this to Islam. Every serious researcher and not a nonentity like you knows this but the majority of true Christians will never agree to that Gay Bible just like Muslims won't do. Infact, Christians don't go about killing these LGBT unlike Muslims that kill Muslims that are gays throwing them off Buildings.


The Keith Sharpe gay is also trying to repel British 1944 Act that puts any School under religious body. That means if he achieves this. No school not even Islamic schools will teach their Islamic teachings to your kids. All schools will become secular and teach homosexuality to kids.


You are a clown for real. Hahahaha! I don't even consider you to be a knowledgeable person. It just seems like you would clutch to anything as you can't win the arguments with the too many lies in Islam especially when faced with real historical facts so you would rather resort to this poor display of Ignorant "scholarisim".

I hope you know we are not Ignorant. You don't want us to put up a post exposing the different qur'ans before the Hafs qur'an canonised in Cairo, 1924?


Didinrin ni yin! Oh!

LordShiva97:


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The weed bad gan!

Hahahaha!

You savage.

This was funny.

PervertProphet:


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Abdul of Pedophilia.

How do you expect any serious researcher to respond to this bunch of joke that you present to save face on Islam?

You think it's just the Bible that the LGBT people are trying to re-write to force in their homosexuality? They are also doing this to Islam. Every serious researcher and not a nonentity like you knows this but the majority of true Christians will never agree to that Gay Bible just like Muslims won't do. Infact, Christians don't go about killing these LGBT unlike Muslims that kill Muslims that are gays throwing them off Buildings.


The Keith Sharpe gay is also trying to repel British 1944 Act that puts any School under religious body. That means if he achieves this. No school not even Islamic schools will teach their Islamic teachings to your kids. All schools will become secular and teach homosexuality to kids.


You are a clown for real. Hahahaha! I don't even consider you to be a knowledgeable person. It just seems like you would clutch to anything as you can't win the arguments with the too many lies in Islam especially when faced with real historical facts so you would rather resort to this poor display of Ignorant "scholarisim".

I hope you know we are not Ignorant. You don't want us to put up a post exposing the different qur'ans before the Hafs qur'an canonised in Cairo, 1924?


Didinrin ni yin! O[/s]h!

Atheist would support anything against Muslims. You are sighted.

This is what RSV has to say about KJV

Empiree:
Atheist would support anything against Muslims. You are sighted.

This is what RSV has to say about KJV

The problem is despite the attack on the Bible by even some forces within the Christian fold. Only the New Testament alone has over 25,000 manuscripts alinging with 99.9% accuracy way more than the qur'an,hadiths and Tafsir combined.

The Christians have that over you Muslims. We can't say same for the qur'an.

If you can get these books by these scholars and researchers. Read them. You will be shocked at the information about the qur'an that we have today.

PervertProphet:


The problem is despite the attack on the Bible by even some forces within the Christian fold. Only the New Testament alone has over 25,000 manuscripts alinging with 99.9% accuracy way more than the qur'an,hadiths and Tafsir combined.

The Christians have that over you Muslims. We can't say same for the qur'an.

If you can get these books by these scholars and researchers. Read them. You will be shocked at the information about the qur'an that we have today.

with all their nonsense books they produced only Bible is getting worse everyday

What I'm gonna do with their notorious books, uumm?. They look for ways to discredit Qur'an yet they can't provide ghost or lost earliest Qur'anic manuscripts that didn't exist in the first place. But we can come up with their fake Bibles anytime, anyday, anywhere. They edited their so called "holy Book" anytime they deem fit and still call 'holy Bible'

Crazy people

China and fake

hisgrace090:
Hope the chinies are not stylishly trying to terminates this sick people remembering they've once sought for judicial power to eliminates c- virus carriers.

Are you been serious? (at the bolded).
This was made public?

Empiree:
with all their nonsense books they produced only Bible is getting worse everyday

What I'm gonna do with their notorious books, uumm?. They look for ways to discredit Qur'an yet they can't provide ghost or lost earliest Qur'anic manuscripts that didn't exist in the first place. But we can come up with their fake Bibles anytime, anyday, anywhere. They edited their so called "holy Book" anytime they deem fit and still call 'holy Bible'

Crazy people

Hahahaha!

Clown.

Like you have got any fake Bible.


Same purported fake Bible that the qur'an plagiarized from.

PervertProphet:



Hahahaha!

Clown.

Like you have got any fake Bible.


Same purported fake Bible that the qur'an plagiarized from.

Sorry, Quran did not plagiarize bible. Judaism, christianity and islam claimed the same origin. So it is normal to find similarities at some point.

If Quran "plagiarized" Bible, then Bible plagiarized Torah. Lobatan

Empiree:
Sorry, Quran did not plagiarize bible. Judaism, christianity and islam claimed the same origin. So it is normal to find similarities at some point.

If Quran "plagiarized" Bible, then Bible plagiarized Torah. Lobatan

Are you well so?

Go do your research.

And also how can the Bible plagiarized Torah when the Torah is inside the very Bible.

Do you smoke or what?!!

The qur'an didn't only plagiarized the Bible. It is also plagiarized gnostic christian writings like Syriac Infancy Gospel, Jewish other sources like their additional books like the Mishnah, etcetera.

Run along and go do your research.

PervertProphet:

And also how can the Bible plagiarized Torah when the Torah is inside the very Bible.

who received Torah?. Moses. Did Moses mix Torah and bible?. No. Who received "Bible"?. Jesus. Did Jesus mix Torah and the Bible?. No.

He only taught his followers Mosaic Law, that he did not come to destroy it but fullfil it. It is Christians that mixed 5 books from Moses with Bible.

Who came first between Moses and Jesus?. Moses. Implication is that his book, Torah came first.

The qur'an didn't only plagiarized the Bible. If is also plagiarized gnostic christian writings like Syriac Infancy Gospel, Jewish other sources like their additional books like the Mishnah, etcetera.

Run along and go do your research.

if Qur'an plagiarized Bible, Jewish sources and others, it means Qur'an is the same as Bible, Jewish sources and more. Question is, why then do you reject Qur'an since they is the same according to you?.

Empiree:
who received Torah?. Moses. Did Moses mix Torah and bible?. No. Who received "Bible"?. Jesus. Did Jesus mix Torah and the Bible?. No.

He only taught his followers Mosaic Law, that he did not come to destroy it but fullfil it. It is Christians that mixed 5 books from Moses with Bible.

Who came first between Moses and Jesus?. Moses. Implication is that his book, Torah came first.



if Qur'an plagiarized Bible, Jewish sources and others, it means Qur'an is the same as Bible, Jewish sources and more. Question is, why then do you reject Qur'an since they is the same according to you?.

The problem with your Muslim Taqiyyists is that you guys lie so much that no serious researcher takes you guys serious. Only Ignorant ummah(Headslammers) believe lies by Sheikhs, Dawah team, Zaik Nair the illiterate doctor, etc.


The Bible was complete and already widely in use even by the time of Muhammad the Pedophile Prophet.


Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا جَرِيرٌ، عَنْ سُهَيْلٍ، قَالَ كَانَ أَبُو صَالِحٍ يَأْمُرُنَا إِذَا أَرَادَ أَحَدُنَا أَنْ يَنَامَ أَنْ يَضْطَجِعَ عَلَى شِقِّهِ الأَيْمَنِ ثُمَّ يَقُولُ ‏

‏ اللَّهُمَّ رَبَّ السَّمَوَاتِ وَرَبَّ الأَرْضِ وَرَبَّ الْعَرْشِ الْعَظِيمِ رَبَّنَا وَرَبَّ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ فَالِقَ الْحَبِّ وَالنَّوَى وَمُنْزِلَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَالإِنْجِيلِ وَالْفُرْقَانِ أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ شَرِّ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ أَنْتَ آخِذٌ بِنَاصِيَتِهِ اللَّهُمَّ أَنْتَ الأَوَّلُ فَلَيْسَ قَبْلَكَ شَىْءٌ وَأَنْتَ الآخِرُ فَلَيْسَ بَعْدَكَ شَىْءٌ وَأَنْتَ الظَّاهِرُ فَلَيْسَ فَوْقَكَ شَىْءٌ وَأَنْتَ الْبَاطِنُ فَلَيْسَ دُونَكَ شَىْءٌ اقْضِ عَنَّا الدَّيْنَ وَأَغْنِنَا مِنَ الْفَقْرِ ‏"

‏ ‏‏ وَكَانَ يَرْوِي ذَلِكَ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‏

Suhail reported that Abu Salih used to command us (in these words):

When any one of you intends to go to sleep, he should lie on the bed on his right side and then say:" O Allah. the Lord of the Heavens and the Lord of the Earth and Lord of the Magnificent Throne, our Lord, and the Lord of evervthina, the Splitter of the grain of corn and the datestone (or fruit kernal), the Revealer of Torah and Injil (Bible) and Criterion (the Holy Qur'an), I seek refuge in You from the evil of every- thing You are to sieze by the forelock (You have perfect control over it). O Allah, You are the First, there is naught before You, and You are the Last and there is naught after You, and You are Evident and there is nothing above You, and You are Innermost and there is nothing beyond You. Remove the burden of debt from us and relieve us from want." Abu Salih used to narrate it from Abu Huraira who narrated it from Allah's Apostle (ﷺ).

Sahih Muslim 2713 a
In-book : Book 48, Hadith 82
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 35, Hadith 6551  
Sahih Muslim


I am busy right now if not. I would give you more proofs citing more historical dates. Even Zaik Nair, your best Islamic apologist is not taken serious by serious researchers because of his propensity to lie in virtually all his rebuttals.

PervertProphet:



The problem with your Muslim Taqiyyists is that you guys lie so much that no serious researcher takes you guys serious.

Do you know who is the true taqiyyist is?. It is Paul, a self acclaimed apostle. Read his confirmation of his lies from his mouth in Roman 3:7



"But if by my lies God's truth is amplified to His glory, why am I still judge as a sinner"

This is "apostle" Paul for you

Ignorant ummah(Headslammers) believe lies by Sheikhs, Dawah team, Zaik Nair the illiterate doctor, etc

Jesus as headslammer John 19:30


".... Then he bowed his head..."


Matthew 26:39 Jesus was headslammer

"Going a little further he fell on his face on the ground and prayed.."


Exodus 34:8

"Moses bowed his head onto the ground and worship"



2 Chronicles 20:18


"Johoshapat bowed his head to the ground.."


John 18:

Many headslammers in the Bible when they saw Jesus



Genesis 17:3

Abraham fell on his face and prayed


So you can see you got many headslammers in your Bible.

The Bible was complete and already widely in use even by the time of Muhammad the Pedophile Prophet

Injeel is not Bible. That was loose translation. There is no where in the Bible it called itself Bible.

Empiree:
Do you know who is the true taqiyyist is?. It is Paul, a self acclaimed apostle. Read his confirmation of his lies from his mouth in Roman 3:7



"But if by my lies God's truth is amplified to His glory, why am I still judge as a sinner"

This is "apostle" Paul for you




Jesus as headslammer John 19:30


".... Then h to bowed his head..."


Matthew 26:39 Jesus was headslammer

"Going a little further he fell on his face on the ground and prayed.."


Exodus 34:8

"Moses bowed his head into the ground and worship"



2 Chronicles 20:18


"Johoshapat bowed his head to the ground.."


John 18:

Many headslammers in the Bible when they saw Jesus



Genesis 17:3

Abraham fell on his face and prayed


So you can see you got many headslammers in your Bible.




Injeel is not Bible. That was loose translation. There is no where in the Bible it called itself Bible.

I am at work now but let me just share you the response of a great Christian apologist (Sam Shamoun) to a Muslim apologist as regards the Paul lies. When I am less busy. I will reply you on this more.


It may come as a surprise to some to hear that the Quran implicitly affirms that the teachings of the Apostle Paul, which has become the foundation of Christianity, are derived from Christ. In other words, the Quran indirectly testifies that Paul’s theology wasn’t something that he simply concocted in order to win converts from the Gentiles, but came from God through Christ.

Before presenting the evidence, we would first like to clarify our reasons for appealing to the Quran. We do not believe that the Quran is God’s Word. However, we do believe that the Quran is an early record of what the first Muslims believed. As such, the Quran becomes an important source of information for discovering the official beliefs of the first Muslims.

In light of this, it bears repeating that the Quran testifies that the Christianity proclaimed by Paul (i.e., "Pauline" Christianity) is true Christianity.

We base our position on the Quranic claim that Christ’s true believers would prevail over the unbelievers till the Day of Resurrection:

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute." S. 3:55

O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the Disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, AND THEY BECAME THE ONES THAT PREVAILED. S. 61:14

According to these passages, Allah gave Christ’s followers the power to prevail over the disbelievers, and made them superior till the day of resurrection. Yet the ones that prevailed were the Apostles such as Paul, as well as his followers. This means that if the Quran is correct, then Paul’s message is the truth since it has become dominant and has prevailed over all other opposing messages.

Sayyid Qutb comments on S. 3:55:

... It was also the will of God to elevate the followers of Jesus above the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection ...

It is not difficult, on the other hand, to explain God’s statement that He had placed those who follow Jesus above the unbelievers, and that this elevation continues until the Day of Resurrection. Those who follow Jesus are the ones who believe in God’s true religion, Islam, or surrender to God. Every prophet is fully aware of the true nature of this religion. Every messenger preached the same religion and everyone who truly believes in the Divine faith believes in it. These believers are indeed far superior to the unbelievers according to God’s measure, and they will continue to be so until the Day of Judgement. Moreover, they prove their superiority in our practical life every time they confront the forces of un-faith with the true nature of faith and the reality of following God’s messengers. The Divine faith is one, as preached by Jesus, son of Mary, as preached by every messenger sent before him and by the messenger sent after him. Those who follow Muhammad at the same time follow all the messengers sent by God, starting with Adam until the last messenger. (In the Shade of the Qur’an - Fi Zilal al-Qur’an, Volume 2, Surah 3, translated and edited by Adil Salahi & Ashur Shamis [The Islamic Foundation, 2000], pp. 97-98)

The problem with Qutb’s claim is that the Christian believers that prevailed over all were not Muslims and their message certainly wasn’t Islam. Hence, either the true followers of Christ were vanquished, thus falsifying the Quran which says that they would dominate. Or, the Quran is false since it contradicts the true message of Christ’s followers.

In response to a question regarding 3:55, Moiz Amjad writes:

This verse relates to the law relating to the messengers of God. As a punishment on the rejecters of Jesus (pbuh), the Qur'an has mentioned that at the time of the God's decision relating to the termination of Jesus' (pbuh) mission, God declared that after him those who believe in Jesus (pbuh) will dominate those who rejected him (i.e., the Jews) till the Day of Judgment. In the referred verse, those who believed in Jesus (pbuh) refers to the Christians. It is clear that even today, the Jewish collectivity is completely dependant upon Christian collectivities for even maintaining their existence. (Source; bold emphasis ours)

Maulana Muhammad Ali writes regarding S. 3:55:

... This verse contains four promises relating to Jesus’ triumph over his enemies as against their plans ... And the fourth promise is that those who follow Jesus shall be made dominant over his rejectors till the day of Judgment. The truth of this fourth prophecy is witnessed TO THIS DAY in the dominance of the Christians over the Jews. (Ali, Holy Quran [Ahmadiyyah Anjuman Isha'at Islam Lahore Inc. USA, 1995], pp. 147-148, fn. 439; bold and capital emphasis ours)

Here are his statements regarding S. 61:14:

... The description applies to the triumph of the teachings of Christ over those who opposed the dissemination of his teachings, and speaks prophetically of the ultimate triumph of Islam over all other religions of the world. (Ibid., p. 1058, fn. 2501; bold emphasis ours)

Ali fails to mention that the teachings that dominated were those passed on by Paul (which is actually the same message preached by Christ and the other disciples)!

A. Yusuf Ali, in his translation The Holy Qur’an - Text and Commentary, p. 1543, footnote 5448, states:

A portion of the Children of Israel - the ones that really cared for Truth - believed in Jesus and followed his guidance. But the greater portion of them were hard-hearted, and remained in their beaten track of formalism and false racial pride. The majority seemed at first to have the upper hand when they thought they had crucified Jesus and killed his Message. But they were soon brought to their senses. Jerusalem was destroyed by Titus in A.D. 70 and the Jews have been scattered ever since. "The Wandering Jew" has become a bye-word in many literatures. On the other hand, those who followed Jesus PERMEATED the Roman Empire, brought many new races within their circle, and through the Roman Empire, Christianity became the predominant religion of the world until the advent of Islam ... (bold and capital emphasis ours)

What this Ali failed to note is that the form of Christianity that permeated the Roman Empire is what Muslims degradingly call "Pauline" Christianity. Hence, that Paul’s message dominated is a sign that his Gospel was that which God entrusted to Christ’s true followers. If it were argued that Paul’s version of Christianity is an aberration of the truth, this then means that the Quran is wrong for claiming that God had caused Christ’s true followers to prevail. It would mean that Paul was able to thwart Allah’s purposes, being able to prevent the true believers from dominating over their enemies.

Here are the late S. Abu Al’a Maududi’s comments on S. 61:14:

... Those who disbelieved in Jesus Christ are the Jews, and those who believed him are the Christians as well as the Muslims, and Allah granted them domination over the disbelievers of Christ. This is meant to requires [sic] the Muslims that just as the believers of Christ have dominated over his disbelievers in the past, so will the believers of the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be Allah’s peace) prevail over disbelievers. (Meaning of the Qur’an, Volume V, english rendering by A.A. Kamal, M.A. [Islamic Publications (Pvt.) Limited, 13-E, Shahalam Market, Lahore-8 Pakistan], p. 516, fn. 21; underline emphasis ours)

As we had noted earlier, the obvious problem with Maududi’s explanation is that the message of Christ’s true believers directly contradicts the message of Islam. That is, unless one wants to claim that Christ’s true message got distorted and a false message prevailed over it, a claim which then contradicts the plain reading of the passages in question.

As Maulana Abdul Majid Daryabadi, while commenting on the last part of S. 61:14, states:

... (and neither the Messenger NOR THE MESSAGE could be destroyed). (Tafsir-Ul-Qur’an Translation and Commentary of the Holy Qur’an, Volume IV [Darul-Ishaat Urdu Bazar, Karachi-1, Pakistan; First edition: 1991], p. 356, fn. 270; capital emphasis ours)

Again, if "Pauline" Christianity is a corruption of Jesus’ true teachings then the message was destroyed and Allah failed to bring to pass what he said would happen!

Noted Muslim commentator Ibn Kathir’s statements are most interesting. Commenting on S. 3:55, he writes:

"This is what happened. When Allah raised ‘Isa to heaven, his followers divided into sects and groups. Some of them believed in what Allah sent ‘Isa as, a servant of Allah, His Messenger, and the son of His female-servant.

However, some of them went to the extreme over ‘Isa, believing that he was the son of Allah. Some of them said that ‘Isa was Allah Himself, while others said that he was one of a Trinity. Allah mentioned these false creeds in the Qur’an and refuted them. The Christians remained like this until the third century CE, when a Greek king called, Constantine, became a Christian for the purpose of destroying Christianity. Constantine was either a philosopher, or he was just plain ignorant. Constantine changed the religion of ‘Isa by adding to it and deleting from it. He established the rituals of Christianity and the so-called Great Trust which is in fact the Great Treachery. He also allowed them to eat the meat of swine, changed the direction of the prayer that ‘Isa established to the east, built churches for ‘Isa, and added ten days to the fast as compensation for a sin that he committed, as claimed. So the religion of ‘Isa became the religion of Constantine, who built more than twelve thousand churches, temples and monasteries for the Christians as well as the city that bears his name, Constantinople (Istanbul). THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, the Christians had the upper hand and dominated the Jews. ALLAH AIDED THEM AGAINST THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN THE JEWS, even though both groups were and still are disbelievers, may Allah’s curse descend on them." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2, Parts 3, 4, & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh, Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition: March 2000], p. 171; bold and capital emphasis ours; cf. online edition)

Ibn Kathir’s explanation doesn’t solve the problem since if the Quran is correct then the Christianity that Ibn Kathir attacks is indeed the truth. Otherwise, Ibn Kathir’s comments imply that Allah either allowed a false form of Christianity to prevail, or failed to grant Christ’s true believers dominance over those seeking to pervert the true teachings of Christ!

Another renowned commentary, Al-Qurtubi, says of Surah 61:14:

It was said that THIS VERSE was revealed about the apostles of Jesus, may peace and blessing be upon him. Ibn Ishaq stated that of the apostles and disciples that Jesus sent (to preach) there were Peter AND PAUL who went to Rome; Andrew and Matthew who went to the land of the cannibals; Thomas who went to Babel in the eastern lands; Philip who went to Africa; John went to Dac-sos(?) which is the tribe to whom the sleepers of the cave belonged; Jacob went to Jerusalem; Bartholomew went to the lands of Arabia, specifically Al-Hijaz; Simon who went to the Barbarians; Judas and Barthas(?) who went to Alexandria and its surrounding regions.

Allah supported them (the apostles) with evidence so that they prevailed (thahirin) meaning they became the party with the upper hand. Just as it is said, "An object appeared on the wall" meaning it is clearly visible (alu-wat) on the wall. Allah, who is glorified and exalted, knows the truth better and to Him is the return and retreat. (Source; translated into English by Dimitrius, bold and capital emphasis ours)

Notice how al-Qurtubi had no qualms in admitting that Paul was a legitimate follower of Christ! If al-Qurtubi is correct, then this means that Paul was one of the followers whom God gave the power to overcome the unbelievers and prevail!

This next writer, a moderate, makes the following rather candid admission in reference to 3:54 and 61:14 (comments within brackets [] will be ours):

Christian readers especially will be interested to learn that the Koran teaches that Jesus was God's best prophet, and that Christians will be placed above non-believers until the Day of Judgment. Does it surprise you to learn that the Koran may have been intended for Christians, to confirm all that they had been taught by Christ? (Dr. Nader Pourhassan, The Corruption of Moslem Minds [Barbed Wire Publishers, Las Cruces, New Mexico 2002], pp. 61-62)

The first time I read this verse [3:54] in the Koran, I could hardly believe my eyes. Even today, any Moslem I discuss this verse with is shocked. In the Koran, God tells all Moslems that the followers of Jesus will be exalted above the disbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. While there are some verses in the Koran that promise the world to the Moslem people if they follow its teachings, these are followed up with predictions that they will disobey their holy book, and not uphold its commands. God's prediction that the Christians will succeed in doing so is even clearer in the following verse [author then cites 61:14] ..." (Ibid., pp. 103-104)

Most Moslems obtain their understanding of the Koran from the interpretations of their religious leaders. Few ever question what they are told to believe. But the holy book contains many messages that might shock them from their complacency. For example, in the Koran there is a verse saying [quotes 3:54] ...

The above verse says very simply that Christians will be above non-believers until the resurrection. Moreover, the Koran states:
"Do not falter and feel saddened since you are superior, if you are believers."

The most reasonable conclusion to this is that among all believers, whether they are Jews, Christians, or Moslems, only one group will be above the non-believers and only one group will be superior. That group will be comprised of the believers who are the followers of Jesus (Christians)... (Ibid., p. 119)

Hence, Muslims are in a dilemma that they cannot easily resolve. Namely, to accept the Quran is to accept "Pauline" Christianity. Yet to accept "Pauline" Christianity is to reject the Quran, since the Quran contradicts the core teaching of Paul as has been preserved in the pages of the Holy Bible and amongst true Christians historically.

Empiree:
Do you know who is the true taqiyyist is?. It is Paul, a self acclaimed apostle. Read his confirmation of his lies from his mouth in Roman 3:7



"But if by my lies God's truth is amplified to His glory, why am I still judge as a sinner"

This is "apostle" Paul for you




Jesus as headslammer John 19:30


".... Then h to bowed his head..."


Matthew 26:39 Jesus was headslammer

"Going a little further he fell on his face on the ground and prayed.."


Exodus 34:8

"Moses bowed his head into the ground and worship"



2 Chronicles 20:18


"Johoshapat bowed his head to the ground.."


John 18:

Many headslammers in the Bible when they saw Jesus



Genesis 17:3

Abraham fell on his face and prayed


So you can see you got many headslammers in your Bible.




Injeel is not Bible. That was loose translation. There is no where in the Bible it called itself Bible.

A Muslim may wish to argue that these verses refer to Muhammad and the Muslims as those who truly believe in Christ and dominate till the Resurrection Day. This explanation fails to resolve the issue. The passages do not say that Christ’s followers would only prevail from the time of Muhammad’s advent, but from the time that Christ was taken to God and unto the Day of Resurrection.

In fact, this Muslim view can be found in the commentary of the late Mufti Shafi' Uthmani who wrote regarding Surah 61:14:

Baghawi interprets this verse in the light of a narration of Sayyidna Ibn 'Abbas that when Prophet 'Isa was raised to the heaven, his followers disagreed and became three groups. A group claimed that He was Himself God who went back to the heaven. The second group claimed that He Himself was not God, but God's son. God lifted him up and salvaged him from the enemies and granted him superiority. The third group proclaimed the truth and said that he was neither god nor the son of god, but that he was Allah's servant and His messenger. Allah took him away to the heaven and to protect him from the enemies, and to raise his status. Those people were the true believers. Different sectors of the general public attached themselves to each one of these groups. The groups clashed with one another. The two of the non-believing groups overpowered the third group, which was a group of true believers. Eventually, Allah raised the Final Messenger of Allah who supported the group of the true believers. This group thus dominated the others because of their correct belief and its solid proofs confirmed by the Qur'an. [Mazhari].

In this interpretation, the phrase ... "those who believed [14]" would refer to the Ummah of the Prophet 'Isa who would triumph against the unbelievers with the help and support of the Final Messenger. [Mazhari]. Some scholars hold that when Prophet 'Isa was raised to heaven, his followers were divided into two groups. One of them believed that he was God or God's son and thus they became polytheists. The other group believed that he was servant of Allah and His Messenger, and thus they stuck to the right religion. Then there was a war between the believers and the unbelievers. Allah GRANTED VICTORY to the believing faction of Prophet 'Isa against the unbelieving faction. But it is popularly understood that in the religion of Prophet 'Isa the institution of jihad did not exist. Therefore, it is inconceivable that believers would have waged a war. [Ruh-ul-Ma'ani]. However, it is possible that the unbelieving Christians might have started the war and the believing Christians were forced to defend themselves. This will not fall under the category of war. (Uthmani, Maariful Quran, Volume 8, pp. 443-444; source; capital and underline emphasis ours)

We already noted the problem with this explanation, but it bears repeating: the text of Sura 61:14 does not say that Jesus' true followers would prevail only at the time of Muhammad, but that they were clearly given the victory over the unbelievers from the very start. This means that the second interpretation proposed by the Mufti is the sounder one (even though this also has serious historical problems). Moreover, although we agree with the Mufti that Jesus never commanded jihad for his followers, his comments are in direct conflict with the Quran which claims that Allah did command Christians to observe jihad in the Gospel:

Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success. S. 9:111 Hilali-Khan

Be that as it may, it is quite apparent from the Mufti's comments that Muslims really had a hard time trying to reconcile the Quran with the historical fact that the Christianity that has prevailed till this day is that which Paul taught and which is recorded in the pages of the NT!

This is perhaps why men such as Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Kathir, al-Tabari, al-Qurtubi, and al-Thalabi could view Paul in such a positive light. They seemingly realized that Paul had a tremendous influence in the growth and spread of Christianity, and had been sovereignly used by God as his instrument of domination over the unbelievers (see the article The Apostles of Christ: Messengers of God or Mere Disciples?).

To summarize the Islamic evidence, we discovered that

The Quran records the domination of Christ’s true believers over the disbelievers.
This domination would continue till the Day of Resurrection.
Paul’s message dominated and became superior to all other opposing messages.
This implies that if the Quran is right then Paul’s message must be correct.
Yet, these factors introduce the following problems for the Muslims:

The Quran contradicts the core teachings of the Apostle Paul as well as the message of the Holy Bible as a whole.
Since the Quran and early Muslim commentators clearly testify to the accuracy and legitimacy of Paul’s preaching, this means that the Quran cannot be the word of God. Rather, it must be the word of fallible men such as Muhammad and/or others.
This also implies that the author(s) of the Quran was (were) unaware of the true message of the Holy Bible and of the Apostle Paul, and thought that it agreed with his (their) own preaching. The author(s) presumably thought that in acknowledging the testimony of the Holy Bible he (they) would therefore be legitimizing the prophetic claims of Muhammad. Had he (they) been aware of the true message of the Holy Bible the author(s) might not have given so much credence to both Paul and the Holy Bible.
This concludes our paper. We pray that our risen Lord and immortal Savior will use this to bring precious Muslims into his glorious love and truth. Amen. Come Lord Jesus, come. We will always love you by God’s all powerful, sovereign grace.

PervertProphet:




A [s]Muslim may wish to argue that these verses refer to Muhammad and the Muslims as those who truly believe in Christ and dominate till the Resurrection Day. This explanation fails to resolve the issue. The passages do not say that Christ’s followers would only prevail from the time of Muhammad’s advent, but from the time that Christ was taken to God and unto the Day of Resurrection.

In fact, this Muslim view can be found in the commentary of the late Mufti Shafi' Uthmani who wrote regarding Surah 61:14:

Baghawi interprets this verse in the light of a narration of Sayyidna Ibn 'Abbas that when Prophet 'Isa was raised to the heaven, his followers disagreed and became three groups. A group claimed that He was Himself God who went back to the heaven. The second group claimed that He Himself was not God, but God's son. God lifted him up and salvaged him from the enemies and granted him superiority. The third group proclaimed the truth and said that he was neither god nor the son of god, but that he was Allah's servant and His messenger. Allah took him away to the heaven and to protect him from the enemies, and to raise his status. Those people were the true believers. Different sectors of the general public attached themselves to each one of these groups. The groups clashed with one another. The two of the non-believing groups overpowered the third group, which was a group of true believers. Eventually, Allah raised the Final Messenger of Allah who supported the group of the true believers. This group thus dominated the others because of their correct belief and its solid proofs confirmed by the Qur'an. [Mazhari].

In this interpretation, the phrase ... "those who believed [14]" would refer to the Ummah of the Prophet 'Isa who would triumph against the unbelievers with the help and support of the Final Messenger. [Mazhari]. Some scholars hold that when Prophet 'Isa was raised to heaven, his followers were divided into two groups. One of them believed that he was God or God's son and thus they became polytheists. The other group believed that he was servant of Allah and His Messenger, and thus they stuck to the right religion. Then there was a war between the believers and the unbelievers. Allah GRANTED VICTORY to the believing faction of Prophet 'Isa against the unbelieving faction. But it is popularly understood that in the religion of Prophet 'Isa the institution of jihad did not exist. Therefore, it is inconceivable that believers would have waged a war. [Ruh-ul-Ma'ani]. However, it is possible that the unbelieving Christians might have started the war and the believing Christians were forced to defend themselves. This will not fall under the category of war. (Uthmani, Maariful Quran, Volume 8, pp. 443-444; source; capital and underline emphasis ours)

We already noted the problem with this explanation, but it bears repeating: the text of Sura 61:14 does not say that Jesus' true followers would prevail only at the time of Muhammad, but that they were clearly given the victory over the unbelievers from the very start. This means that the second interpretation proposed by the Mufti is the sounder one (even though this also has serious historical problems). Moreover, although we agree with the Mufti that Jesus never commanded jihad for his followers, his comments are in direct conflict with the Quran which claims that Allah did command Christians to observe jihad in the Gospel:

Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success. S. 9:111 Hilali-Khan

Be that as it may, it is quite apparent from the Mufti's comments that Muslims really had a hard time trying to reconcile the Quran with the historical fact that the Christianity that has prevailed till this day is that which Paul taught and which is recorded in the pages of the NT!

This is perhaps why men such as Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Kathir, al-Tabari, al-Qurtubi, and al-Thalabi could view Paul in such a positive light. They seemingly realized that Paul had a tremendous influence in the growth and spread of Christianity, and had been sovereignly used by God as his instrument of domination over the unbelievers (see the article The Apostles of Christ: Messengers of God or Mere Disciples?).

To summarize the Islamic evidence, we discovered that

The Quran records the domination of Christ’s true believers over the disbelievers.
This domination would continue till the Day of Resurrection.
Paul’s message dominated and became superior to all other opposing messages.
This implies that if the Quran is right then Paul’s message must be correct.
Yet, these factors introduce the following problems for the Muslims:

The Quran contradicts the core teachings of the Apostle Paul as well as the message of the Holy Bible as a whole.
Since the Quran and early Muslim commentators clearly testify to the accuracy and legitimacy of Paul’s preaching, this means that the Quran cannot be the word of God. Rather, it must be the word of fallible men such as Muhammad and/or others.
This also implies that the author(s) of the Quran was (were) unaware of the true message of the Holy Bible and of the Apostle Paul, and thought that it agreed with his (their) own preaching. The author(s) presumably thought that in acknowledging the testimony of the Holy Bible he (they) would therefore be legitimizing the prophetic claims of Muhammad. Had he (they) been aware of the true message of the Holy Bible the author(s) might not have given so much credence to both Paul and the Holy Bible.
This concludes our paper. We pray that our risen Lord and immortal Savior will use this to bring precious Muslims into his glorious love and truth. Amen. Come Lord Jesus, come. We will always love you by God’s all powerful, sovereign grace.[/s]

you keep jumping from one topic to another. Looks like you don't have confidence in yourself.

Anyways, what's CHRISTIANs business with Jesus?. CHRISTIANs/christianity have nothing in common with Jesus (p). CHRISTIANs are keferi(disbelievers). Christianity is from Rome. Jesus never went to Rome. Paul was the founder of CHRISTIANITY.

I have recently dealt with the issue on this platform with one of your brothers in faith
in this thread

Be sure you read the few pages so that you know who you are dealing with.

Empiree:
you keep jumping from one topic to another. Looks like you don't have confidence in yourself.

Anyways, what's CHRISTIANs business with Jesus?. CHRISTIANs/christianity have nothing in common with Jesus (p). CHRISTIANs are keferi(disbelievers). Christianity is from Rome. Jesus never went to Rome. Paul was the founder of CHRISTIANITY.

I have recently dealt with the issue on this platform with one of your brothers in faith
in this thread

Be sure you read the few pages so that you know who you are dealing with.

You know you are beginning to sound like you are drunk off camel urine mixed with a little zam-zam water.

You are beginning to steer this conversation to all those Zaik Nair fables that they teach you guys at your Dawah places that do not allign with historical facts. Those conspiracy theories only impress the Ignorant Muslim ummah. Not people who take out time to research these facts.

Christians right from the 1st century already had business with Jesus. Even 600 plus years after the Pedophile Muhammad was born and Jesus had ascended 600 plus years back. There are even several hadiths of Christian Churches even right here in Africa during the time of the Pedophile Muhammad.

Even Muslim expositors generally agree that the Tafsirs on Surah 36:13-29 in the qur'an affirms the disciples of Jesus Christ as messengers of God with even Paul called in Arabic term as Bulus were sent with great powers. It makes sense since only God can send messengers and Jesus sent messengers ( Shamoun or Simon, Yuhanna or John and Bulus or Paul).

Go read Tafsir al-jalalayn on Surah 36 ayah 13. Also, Tafsir by Ibn Abbas as regards Surah 36 ayahs 13&14.

Read what Al-Tabari recorded about this. This infers that Paul that Muslims despise is even a better Prophet than that Pedophile called Muhammad. Why should Christians be proud of their Pauline heritage. The Change in lifestyle. Paul went from a murderer to a saint after submitting to Jesus Christ. On the other hand Muhammad went from an innocent good young man to a murderous cross-dresser Pedophile pervert and plagiarizer after submitting to Allah and getting some purported revelations.

I usually tell Christians if only you guys know the history of Paul especially after his conversion to Jesus Christ. You guys would be so proud of him unlike Muhammad who every sane person with a healthy brain not a deformed conscience eroded would be ashamed of how dirty Muhammad lived after supposedly coming under Allah. He became worst.

Paul had a first class mind. Muhammad was a stark illiterate. Some of the statements Muhammad made. Paul would never think that way and the funny thing is Muhammad came hundred of years after Paul so you would think that at least by Muhammad's time. Knowledge has increased a little more than Paul's time. Paul's brain to Muhammad is like comparing Albert Einstein's i.q to a goat. That's how bad it is.

I have did a simple test where I have had my Atheist friends read the letters of Paul and the qur'an of Muhammad and there is no dispute as to who between the two has a greater mind.

Even islamic scholars collaborate the Bible accounts when they agree that Antioch was the first city to believe in al-Masih.

I am going to do a post later comparing the lifestyle of Paul and Muhammad and let's see who lived better.

Bloody Taqiyyists!!

Story. Tell me just 3 things that Jesus did, that CHRISTIANs do today please then I will believe you

PervertProphet:


You know you are beginning to sound like you are drunk off camel urine mixed with a little zam-zam water.

You are beginning to steer this conversation to all those Zaik Nair fables that teach you guys at your Dawah places that do not allign with historical facts. Those conspiracy theories only impress the Ignorant Muslim ummah. Not people who take out time to research these facts.

Christians right from the 1st century already had business with Jesus. Even 600 plus years after the Pedophile Muhammad was born and Jesus had ascended 600 plus years back. There are even several hadiths of Christian Churches even right here in Africa during the time of the Pedophile Muhammad.

Even Muslim expositors generally agree that Tafsirs on Surah 36:13-29 in the qur'an affirms the disciples of Jesus Christ as messengers of God with even Paul called in Arabic term as Bulus were sent with great powers. It makes sense since only God can send messengers and Jesus sent messengers ( Shamoun or Simon, Yuhanna or John and Bulus or Paul).

Go read Tafsir al-jalalayn on Surah 36 ayah 13. Also, Tafsir by Inn Abbas as regards Surah 36 ayahs 13&14.

Read what Al-Tabari recorded about this. This infers that Paul that Muslims despise is even a better Prophet than that Pedophile called Muhammad. Why should Christians be proud of their Pauline heritage. The Change in lifestyle. Paul went from a murderer to a saint after submitting to Jesus Christ. On the other hand Muhammad went from an innocent good young man to a murderous cross-dresser Pedophile pervert and plagiarizer after submitting to Allah and getting some purported revelations.

I usually tell Christians if only you guys know the history of Paul especially after his conversion to Jesus Christ. You guys would be so proud of him unlike Muhammad who every sane person with a healthy brain not a deformed conscience eroded would be ashamed of how dirty Muhammad lived after supposedly coming under Allah. He became worst.

Paul had a first class mind. Muhammad was a stark illiterate. Some of the statements Muhammad made. Paul would never think that way and the funny thing is Muhammad came hundred of years after Paul so you would think that at least by Muhammad's time. Knowledge has increased a little more than Paul's time. Paul's brain to Muhammad is like comparing Albert Einstein's iq to a goat. That's how bad it is.

I have did a simple test where I have had my Atheist friends read the letters of Paul and the qur'an of Muhammad and there is no dispute as to who between the two has a greater mind.

Even islamic scholars collaborate the Bible accounts when they agree that Antioch was the first city to believe in al-Masih.

I am going to do a post later comparing the lifestyle of Paul and Muhammad and let's see who lived better.

Bloody Taqiyyists!!

Empiree:
Story. Tell me just 3 things that Jesus did, that CHRISTIANs do today please then I will believe you

Seriously!!!!

Are for real!!!

You think that's a serious question to ask.

Oh! Abdul of Pedophilia. You guys don't cease to amaze me.

Why don't we discuss about serious intellectual question like why some of the Birmingham qur'an ancient fragments is older than Muhammad who purportedly revealed them?

Hahahaha!

Is that not strange?!!

Muhammad lived between 570 to 632 AD (AD- After the death of Jesus Christ)

The claim by Islamic tradition is that between 610 to 632 AD, the year of his death that he was posioned that he received the qur'an revelations.

And even at that time. The qur'an was not complied in a book form.

Caliph Abu Bakr started the collection and the final book form done by Caliph Uthman in 650 AD.

Now put one plus one together and notice what's puzzling. I know you don't have brain but at least you understand what any intelligent person will ask.

If Uthman completed the complete qur'an in 650 AD. How come we have the Birmingham qur'an fragments that dates two years even before Muhammad was born?

Does that tell you something?
It looks like the imposter plagiarizer Prophet Muhammad took some ancient book before him that he found in the Hira cave and revealed it as his own from his alter ego, Allah.

Something is not adding up. A qur'an that is already in existence some hundred of years before Muhammad. The guy is a 419. Plain and simple. I personally regard him as the World's greatest con who ever existed.

The Sanaa qur'an manuscripts when discovered. Do you know there was problems with it?
Do you know that the Sanaa manuscripts had so much erasions that many scholars think the lower text especially was a case of qur'an writings forcefully written over an ancient book writing that was different.
The Sanaa manuscripts differ from the Uthman copy. Remember, the qur'an is supposed to have no single mistake as it was an eternal exact word of Allah.

There is so much variations in it that the qur'an we have today in our hands is a suspect. The dating is also another problem. Like the Birmingham ones. This too predates Muhammad as it is quite close to Muhammad's death unlike what the Muslims will want us to believe as regards Uthman compiling the qur'an so clearly something is not adding up as regards what happened in that Hira cave that only Muhammad claimed to get revelations from. Unlike the Bible where 40 different men across three continents who didn't meet were able to write the books of the Bible with a common theme. It's amazing. I will rather take 40 witnesses over one man who nobody else witnessed what he did in the Hira cave.

Do you know how many Christians were involved in helping to restore your very own qur'an Sanaa manuscripts? The Christians have always been your big brothers.

The problem I have with many Christians today is they don't know history. The Christians are the reason this world has any progress that it has. Jesus was not lying when he said that they are the light of this world.

The problem is some of them from time to time give in to Shaytaan and help him in even inventing all these false religions everywhere that confuses man.

An Arab christian, Waraqa and his relation, Khadijah basically invented Islam. It was relatively peaceful when they were alive but after their deaths. The mad dog, Muhammad unleashed something different. Big Bang theory that Atheists really on these days was first put forward by a Catholic. Jehovah Witnesses by a former Presbyterian, Charles Russell. Name just about any philosophy known to man. A Christian who stumbled has a hand in it.


If only Islam will quit this killing laws of theirs and allow researchers to come forward with more findings of the qur'an. People will be shocked.

I have noticed you love diversions due to lack of self confidence. So answer my question. You can't be jumping here and there like frog

PervertProphet:



Seriously!!!!

Are for real!!!

You think that's a serious question to ask.

Oh! Abdul of Pedophilia. You guys don't cease to amaze me.

Why don't we discuss about serious intellectual question like why some of the Birmingham qur'an ancient fragments is older than Muhammad who purportedly revealed them?

Hahahaha!

Is that not strange?!!

Muhammad lived between 570 to 632 AD (AD- After the death of Jesus Christ)

The claim by Islamic tradition is that between 610 to 632 AD, the year of his death that he was posioned that he received the qur'an revelations.

And even at that time. The qur'an was not complied in a book form.

Caliph Abu Bakr started the collection and the final book form done by Caliph Uthman in 650 AD.

Now put one plus one together and notice what's puzzling. I know you don't have brain but at least you understand what any intelligent person will ask.

If Uthman completed the complete qur'an in 650 AD. How come we have the Birmingham qur'an fragments that dates two years even before Muhammad was born?

Does that tell you something?
It looks like the imposter plagiarizer Prophet Muhammad took some ancient book before him that he found in the Hira cave and revealed it as his own from his alter ego, Allah.

Something is not adding up. A qur'an that is already in existence some hundred of years before Muhammad. The guy is a 419. Plain and simple. I personally regard him as the World's greatest con who ever existed.

Empiree:
I have noticed you love diversions due to lack of self confidence. So answer my question. You can't be jumping here and there like frog

You are the one who diverts but you keep saying I do. You tell a lie. I respond with the facts. You jump to another one till you now start asking baby questions. Let's discuss serious questions. Not all those baby questions you ask. Like do Christians headslam or not. Those are baby questions that you use to confuse baby Muslims.

Everyone knows the Christians are the followers of Christ and not the Muslims who follow Muhammad beheading any who even draws a silly cartoon of Muhammad that they the Muslims didn't see. They even spread the killings to other countries where Christians are resident. Different continents away.

I have already answered all your main questions.

At least you know by now that the Tafsir even confirms Paul as a prophet. Paul lived a better life than Muhammad. These are all fruits that shows who is from God or not. Paul was never a Pedophile like Muhammad after submitting to Jesus Christ. Paul was not a pervert like Muhammad. Paul was not married to just about anything in skirt raping and looting communities for women like Muhammad. Paul was not a plagiarizer like Muhammad who stole ancient documents before him and revealed it as qur'an going by what the qur'an manuscripts are telling us. Paul wrote his own letters that till today when compared against that of Muhammad is like comparing Albert Einstein's i.q to a goat's i.q. Paul was a highly learned man. Muhammad was a stark illiterate. Paul quoted poems. Muhammad killed Poets and creative people. Paul worked as a tent maker. Muhammad looted and plundered. Muhammad even collected alms from women.

I could go on all day but you get who is better between Paul and Muhammad the Pedophile.

Now, answer my questions on why there is so much problems with the quran manuscripts? If qur'an remains unchanged from Allah then why do we have these differences? Sanaa manuscripts. Birmingham manuscripts, etc.


You lie about the Christians' Bible claiming that it is fake but the qur'an doesn't say that. Infact, the qur'an claims to preserve the other books before it which is the Bible. In Surah 10:94; 21:7; Allah handed the books to you guys in Surah 4:136 so produce the original Bible something no Muslim has been able to do. You Muslims are not to even dispute with the Christians in Surah 29:46 as they are your bigger brothers in knowledge.


Abdullah Yusuf Ali who has a qur'an translation to his name said not one word in the qur'an is different from the ones revealed to Muhammad but the Sanaa qur'an manuscripts and others are proving to us that these are lies.

The Christians have the Sinaiticus manuscripts of the complete New Testament from the 4th Century that is 300 years before Muhammad, before Arabic became a language yet it is better accurate when compared to qur'an manuscripts. We have some qur'an with 116 Surahs and another which is kind of the popular one now with 114 Surahs.

Explain all that to me.
These are the problems we should deal with. Not all your baby questions you should keep for all those Headslamming baby Muslims.

Empiree:
I have noticed you love diversions due to lack of self confidence. So answer my question. You can't be jumping here and there like frog

It's funny that the website on your Nairaland signature is "search for the truth kind of".

You far from the truth so hopefully keep searching for it but know all that taqiyya will never save you.

I am waiting for your discussion on the problems of the qur'an manuscripts.

You do know that there is no copies sent by Uthman as against the lies that Uthman sent these copies out.

There are just so many lies that Islam is built on that it will take me a whole century to discuss all of them.