Hon. Akugbe wrote...

OBA OVONRAMWEN AND EMIR SANUSI: AN UNWORTHY JUXTAPOSITION

Following the recent deposition of Emir Sanusi of Kano by the Kano state government led by Mr Dollar-Agbada Ganduje, many roadside political analysts have been attempting, to no avail, to compare Oba Ovonramwen of Benin kingdom with Emir Sanusi in terms of how they both left their palaces. What a fatal accident. Au secours !

There's therefore a need to speak a bit in writing. Oba Ovonramwen was not deposed. He went into exile on a mutual arrangement with the British Colonial Government and remained Oba of Benin in Calabar for 18 years during which a Regent in the person of Chief Agho Ogbeide-Oyo Obaseki of Benin oversaw the kingdom on his behalf while homage was still being paid to him in Calabar by the Benins living there and in faraway Benin.

Ovonramwen established a Palace annexe in Calabar and the British treated him as king there. He had slaves, married more wives, had more children and lived a good, noble life. Until his demise, he was still Oba of Benin though in the diaspora, and he was still being consulted on core traditional matters that overwhelmed the British and their appointed Regent, Obaseki. He never lost the throne but the Benin geographical location for the 18 more years he lived. When he died, his son Oba Eweka II took over the throne, actively, and passed it on to later generations.

Just so we are clear, the British continued to recognize Ovonramwen as Oba of Benin until his death; otherwise, they would have simply crowned Obaseki (their insider before and during the war) as Oba in his lifetime or even beyond. The fact that they did not do this suggests that they must have had plans to assist him in returning to his Benin palace had he not fallen ill and joined his ancestors when he did in Calabar.

Notably, when Oba Ovonramwen joined his ancestors in 1914, it was the British that facilitated the process that led to the coronation of his son, Oba Eweka II, what signifies that they recognized him as Oba until his passage. The British did not replace him with another Oba because he was irreplaceable as long as he was alive and king.

So, I do not see how his history is similar to Sanusi's. He was an independent monarch and Sanusi was not. Conventional warfare was brought to his domain but not to Sanusi's. Sanusi was dethroned by a government that enthroned him ab initio, which made him subordinate to it from day one. Ovonramwen was not enthroned by the British and was therefore not subordinate to them from beginning. He fought to defend his territory, warding off external aggression for six solid months before he agreed to a truce to be exiled, so as to bring the war to an end, and he did so to save his people from extenuation; and that's a noble, prestigious act. No king replaced Ovonramwen once he voluntarily went into exile to save his people and his land but Sanusi has since been replaced with immediate effect.

There's honestly no basis for comparison. If people must compare, there are more recent, similar and relevant cases in the north like the deposition of Ado Bayero the Emir of Kano and grandfather of the just deposed Emir (1963) and Dasuki the Sultan of Sokoto who was deposed by Abacha. Why Benin?

Benin kingdom is too far, isn't it? How did these mischievous analysts transport their analysis all the way to Benin kingdom? By flight, by train or by vanishing? They should take it through the same route back to the North, please

By Prince Osagioduwa Eweka

Really

Those making these comparison are well known. They are children of kings whom their governors warned not to attend state functions without their staff of office,kings who were former drug addicts, kings who
were former drug pushers,kings who were former 419ner's, thieves and militants.

We know them and how they use ballot to elect their kings and go on all fours begging their state governors for approval.

Oba Ovoromen no'gbaisi was asked to kneel before the British flag and swore an oath of allegiance to the Queen of England. He vehemently refused hence his exile. Non of their kings were brave enough to fight the British and their coward silly kids are all over twitter spewing rubbish.

The way all Edo true sons and daughters stood their ground on social media will tell them we don't joke with ours.

Oba gha to'okpere!!!

My Sis from anoda mum
Blood is thicker than palm oil

Born2Breed:
Those making these comparison are well known. They are children of kings whom their governors warned not to attend state functions without their staff of office,kings who were former drug addicts, kings who a
were former drug pushers,kings are were former 419ner's, thieves and militants.

We know them and how they use ballot to elect their kings and go on all fours begging their state governors for approval.

Oba Ovoromen no'gbaisi was asked to kneel before the British flag and swore an oath of allegiance to the Queen of England. He vehemently refused hence his exile. Non of their kings were brave enough to fight the British and their coward silly kids are all over twitter spewing rubbish.

The way all Edo true sons and daughter stood their ground on social media will tell them we don't joke with ours.

Oba gha to'okpere!!!

Born2Breed:
Those making these comparison are well known. They are children of kings whom their governors warned not to attend state functions without their staff of office,kings who were former drug addicts, kings who a
were former drug pushers,kings are were former 419ner's, thieves and militants.

We know them and how they use ballot to elect their kings and go on all fours begging their state governors for approval.

Oba Ovoromen no'gbaisi was asked to kneel before the British flag and swore an oath of allegiance to the Queen of England. He vehemently refused hence his exile. Non of their kings were brave enough to fight the British and their coward silly kids are all over twitter spewing rubbish.

The way all Edo true sons and daughter stood their ground on social media will tell them we don't joke with ours.

Oba gha to'okpere!!!

rubbish, if oba of Benin offend someone like ganduje he will be dethroned and sent to Somalia and nothing go happen you go protest taya them go unleash buratai boys on you and last last you go dey alright

Ovonramwen was not enthroned by the British and was therefore not subordinate to them from beginning.

This is the major difference between the Oba of Benin and the rest.
Oba was and can never be enthroned by govts. Only the Bini people and the first son of the Oba can become Oba.

Ruggedniggaone:
rubbish, if oba of Benin offend someone like ganduje he will be dethroned and sent to Somalia and nothing go happen you go protest taya them go unleash buratai boys on you and last last you go dey alright

A military administrator did worst,what happened to him?

Since you probably wasn't born then let me do you the favour of educating you.

The father ran to Edo state from IMO to beg and he was only allowed to see the chiefs.

Some weeks later the Milad wife lost her pregnancy and few months later the father died. Few years after the same Milad died mysteriously in his hotel room.

Run along now, your golden morn breakfast is ready.

Pusyiter:
My Sis from anoda mum
Blood is thicker than palm oil

Ovioba!!!
Ughator!!!

Born2Breed:


A military administrator did worst,what happened to him?

Since you probably wasn't born then let me do you the favour of educating you.

The father ran to Edo state from IMO to beg and he was only allowed to see the chiefs.

Some weeks later the Milad wife lost her pregnancy and few months later the father died. 2 yrs after the same Milad died mysteriously in his hotel room.

Run along now, your golden morn breakfast is ready.

fairy tale but continue if believing in such gibberish give you orgasm who am I to deprive you of your source of joy

Another pained propagandist.
The 2 scenarios are exactly the same.
Ovoramen was arrested, humiliated, chained, tried, dethroned and sent on exile.
The current Oba was presented a staff of office by Oshiomole an act
that conveys legal recognition to him.

https://punchng.com/installing-oba-benin-greatest-moment-oshiomhole/


The Oba even went to Aso rock to beg Buhari to intervene in Edo crisis because
no one listens to him.

Women traffickers are still running amok in Benin.

The Oba is as toothless as any other king in current Nigeria.
He can be deposed and nothing will happen.

Wake up to reality!

Ise ooo
Uwese ooo
Ughato kphe

Born2Breed:


Ovioba!!!
Ughator!!!

Xisnin:
Another pained propagandist.
The 2 scenarios are exactly the same.
Ovoramen was arrested, humiliated, chained, tried, dethroned and sent on exile.
The current Oba was presented a staff of office by Oshiomole an act
that conveys legal recognition to him.

https://punchng.com/installing-oba-benin-greatest-moment-oshiomhole/


The Oba even went to Aso rock to beg Buhari to intervene in Edo crisis because
no one listens to him.

Women traffickers are still running amok in Benin.

The Oba is as toothless as any other king in current Nigeria.
He can be deposed and nothing will happen.

Wake up from reality!

If the Oba of Benin's messengers comes to your father's house with a message from the Oba, your house will quake...
Illiterate e-warrior...

Simple stuffs.

The Gov announces who becomes Emir.

Does Edo Governor decides who becomes Oba?

I doubt, I might be wrong though.

The respect I have for Oba of Benin is much.

DeRay98:


If the Oba of Benin's messengers comes to your father's house with a message from the Oba, your house will quake...
Illiterate e-warrior...

Dumbass, your Oba couldn't solve a simple problem between OShiomole and Obaseki.
He couldn't stop women traffickers with fake jazz.
So, where is the power?
Stop living in fear.

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Why are people so ignorant especially supposedly educated people and grown men?

They didn't teach these ignorant people social studies and civic education in elementary school?

When the governors hand over staff of office, what's the reason why? It's your boss confirming your appointment as a public office holder.

Kings, Oba, Emir or whatever traditional title you answer to is a public office and your OGA is the state governor regardless of the pointless and irrelevant historical references you are confusing yourself with.

The governor pays their salary like the rest of the public office holders under the governor and the governor can sack them and take away their staff of office anytime, any day as the Nigerian and state constitution dictates.

Oba of Benin a common public office holder working a the mercy and pleasure of the state governor and if he steps over his defined scope of responsibilities, undermine the state's authority or display any sign of insubordination, the governor won't hesitate to sack him because he's not above the governor and state laws.

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NGpatriot:
Why are people so ignorant especially supposedly educated people and grown men?

They didn't teach these ignorant people social studies and civic education in elementary school?

When the governors hand over staff of office, what's the reason why? It's your boss confirming your appointment as a public office holder.

Kings, Oba, Emir or whatever traditional title you answer to is a public office and your OGA is the state governor regardless of the pointless and irrelevant historical references you are confusing yourself with.

The governor pays their salary like the rest of the public office holders under the governor and the governor can sack them and take away their staff of office anytime, any day as the Nigerian and state constitution dictates.

Oba of Benin a common public office holder working a the mercy and pleasure of the state governor and if he steps over his defined scope of responsibilities, undermine the state's authority or display any sign of insubordination, the governor won't hesitate to sack him because he's not above the governor and state laws.

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this one is working round clock for stipend

Born2Breed:
Those making these comparison are well known. They are children of kings whom their governors warned not to attend state functions without their staff of office,kings who were former drug addicts, kings who
were former drug pushers,kings who were former 419ner's, thieves and militants.

We know them and how they use ballot to elect their kings and go on all fours begging their state governors for approval.

Oba Ovoromen no'gbaisi was asked to kneel before the British flag and swore an oath of allegiance to the Queen of England. He vehemently refused hence his exile. Non of their kings were brave enough to fight the British and their coward silly kids are all over twitter spewing rubbish.

The way all Edo true sons and daughters stood their ground on social media will tell them we don't joke with ours.

Oba gha to'okpere!!!

Iseh!!!

NGpatriot:
Why are people so ignorant especially supposedly educated people and grown men?

They didn't teach these ignorant people social studies and civic education in elementary school?

When the governors hand over staff of office, what's the reason why? It's your boss confirming your appointment as a public office holder.

Kings, Oba, Emir or whatever traditional title you answer to is a public office and your OGA is the state governor regardless of the pointless and irrelevant historical references you are confusing yourself with.

The governor pays their salary like the rest of the public office holders under the governor and the governor can sack them and take away their staff of office anytime, any day as the Nigerian and state constitution dictates.

Oba of Benin a common public office holder working a the mercy and pleasure of the state governor and if he steps over his defined scope of responsibilities, undermine the state's authority or display any sign of insubordination, the governor won't hesitate to sack him because he's not above the governor and state laws.

But we are talking of oba ovoranwen and sanusi. At that time the oba of benin's authority was sovereign and absolute. Don't confuse issues with modern day politics. There was no Nigeria then much less governor

Born2Breed:


A military administrator did worst,what happened to him?

Since you probably wasn't born then let me do you the favour of educating you.

The father ran to Edo state from IMO to beg and he was only allowed to see the chiefs.

Some weeks later the Milad wife lost her pregnancy and few months later the father died. Few years after the same Milad died mysteriously in his hotel room.

Run along now, your golden morn breakfast is ready.

let me advise you.

Every traditional ruler is UNDER the Constitution of Nigeria which recognizes the presidency as supreme and the governor as overlord in federating states.

The Oba of Benin CAN be deposed if found wanting by the state or federal government.

ego aside, let's remember that traditional rulers lost sovereignty when the colonialism gained foothold in their respective domains. At Independence, the world including we Nigerians recognized Nigeria as a new country. We didn't fall back into the traditional domains and kingdoms.

You don't have to be emotional about it. ANY traditional ruler CAN be deposed by its state government.

Xisnin:

Dumbass, your Oba couldn't solve a simple problem between OShiomole and Obaseki.
He couldn't stop women traffickers with fake jazz.
So, where is the power?
Stop living in fear.

Keep crying till your tears run out...

SonOfEl:


let me advise you.

Every traditional ruler is UNDER the Constitution of Nigeria which recognizes the presidency as supreme and the governor as overlord in federating states.

The Oba of Benin CAN be deposed if found wanting by the state or federal government.

ego aside, let's remember that traditional rulers lost sovereignty when the colonialism gained foothold in their respective domains. At Independence, the world including we Nigerians recognized Nigeria as a new country. We didn't fall back into the traditional domains and kingdoms.

You don't have to be emotional about it. ANY traditional ruler CAN be deposed by its state government.

This is where you all are getting it wrong and you are trying to advise who?

Constitutionally every King in Nigeria are even under the Local Government Chairman. No one is saying kings can't be deposed but it CAN NEVER happen to the OBA of BENIN.

Every governor is an Edo person and every Edo person knows that the throne of the Oba of Benin is not just a throne in the palace but a throne in the heart of every true Benin person.

It is deeper than you could ever imagine.

My advice to you is don't say what you wrote up there in Benin City.

sapientia:
Simple stuffs.

The Gov announces who becomes Emir.

Does Edo Governor decides who becomes Oba?

I doubt, I might be wrong though.

The respect I have for Oba of Benin is much.

That's the difference. No one knows of the death of the Oba until necessary ceremony has been performed.

Thereafter, the coronation process begins with the crown Prince some weeks before its announced to the general public including the governor.

After the final coronation before the governor comes with a worthless staff of office.

That of Kano and most states are different. They select their kings then give the governor the name for approval before coronation.

Born2Breed:



This is where you all are getting it wrong and you are trying to advise who?

Constitutionally every King in Nigeria are even under the Local Government Chairman. No one is saying kings can't be deposed but it CAN NEVER happen to the OBA of BENIN.

Every governor is an Edo person and every Edo person knows that the throne of the Oba of Benin is not just a throne in the palace but a throne in the heart of every true Benin person.

It is deeper than you could ever imagine.

My advice to you is don't say what you wrote up there in Benin City.

Okay, Edo governor cannot dethrone him.

But you agree that Federal government can remove him...?

The local government chairman can dethrone the oba of Benin

Sammy07:


Okay, Edo governor cannot dethrone him.

But you agree that Federal government can remove him...?

Land and chieftaincy affair is not under the Federal government.

Born2Breed:



This is where you all are getting it wrong and you are trying to advise who?

Constitutionally every King in Nigeria are even under the Local Government Chairman. No one is saying kings can't be deposed but it CAN NEVER happen to the OBA of BENIN.

Every governor is an Edo person and every Edo person knows that the throne of the Oba of Benin is not just a throne in the palace but a throne in the heart of every true Benin person.

It is deeper than you could ever imagine.

My advice to you is don't say what you wrote up there in Benin City.

of course why would I say such thing? it applies to every kingdom, not just Benin, okay? The point am making is - Every mornach CAN be deposed if and only if he goes at loggerheads with the state government.

Its impossible to dethrone the Oba of Benin because nobody will ascend the throne which therefore means that he can never be dethrone even by the president except suspended to be reverse once the govt in power is out, just like oshiomole did to the onojie of uromi who was reinstall when obaseki and the present Oba came in. So it is impossible to dethrone kings in Edo state because of the type of tradition it have which is similar to Benin which is their center of origination. Unlike the obas in Yoruba land whom is done by passage from house to house in a particular family which somehow make it easy to dethrone because another can fill the position. Primogeniture give the Oba of Benin advantage over other ruler in Nigeria.even if for instance he is remove, no Edo man will temper to come in as Oba you can check out what happened when the then obaseki of Benin (high chief Agho the grand father to the present governor and great great grand son to Oba orhogbua of Benin and a direct son to the then newly founded obi of obuluku in delta state today) tried to ascend the throne with help from British, the Edo nation will reject the person forget your money or power. The only thing the Edo people understand about the palace is that only the first son of the king (Edaiyi no ken) can ascend the throne and there is nothing anybody can ever ever do to change that even with the money the Esama of Benin has. So naijaloaded confirm Benin history before posting about it don’t mislead people