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Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 1:39am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: Dude, Offa is why Ilorin Emirate did not extend Southward into present day Osun. What are you talking about? Which history? Offa is the force that joined with Ibadan warriors to defeat Fulani. They executed Yorubas in the Ilorin camp and drowned Fulanis and their horses as they fled the firestorm. Offa is in Kwara....not every traditional title in Kwara is in the Emirate. Offa has its own Oba Council...separate from Ilorin. It has never been under the Emirate....before or after Bamigboye. You keep saying Christians will free Ilorin, was Mohammed Lawal a Christian? No one has ever come close to toppling Emirate as Governor Lawal. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 1:49am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: Im not sure you know what an Emirate is and how the jurisdictions work. I believe you got these things mixed up. Bida is under a different clan entirely. |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 2:47am On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: I didn’t say offa was conquered by Ilorin Jebba,Asa&moro were never conquered by Ilorin but are under Ilorin supervision The British put offa under Ilorin jurisdictions same way Asa, Jebba & Moro It was David that took it out What Jebba is going through was kwara south went through till David got into power Till then they have been having mostly Muslims Governors |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 2:55am On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: Your missing the point ! I said a Christain governor will free Asa, Moro & Jebba from Ilorin Emirates area of influence like David Bamigboye did with Offa allowing offa to have its own seperate council The person that will free Ilorin is Ilorin people themselves Since that David move The Fulani Elites introduced Saraki to the local politics and held on tight by consistently providing muslim friendly yoruba government That’s the bitter truth |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 3:00am On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: In fact to further buttress my point MORO LGA which gave Semi autonomy was formed under pres olusegun Obasanjo aanother Yoruba Christain . You can see here David free kwara south Elect 3 yoruba Christain governors back to back (24) years and kwara will be back into yoruba people’s hand https://punchng.com/how-kwara-govt-ilorin-emirate-oppress-our-people-jimoh-moro-concerned-elders-movement-president/?amp=1 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 5:19am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: David should have taken the Emirate out. |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 5:27am On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: Now your diverting topic The people of Asa, Moro and Jebba want out of Ilorin Emirates system The people of Ilorin can only decide to remove the emir |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 5:29am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: It has nothing to do with christianity. I maintain, you do not know Ilorin or the Kwara people. We have had two Christian rulers, Obj and Gej and yet persecution of Southern Kaduna persists under their watch. What is a Christian governor going to do to remove Emirate in Ilorin? Do you know who Mohammed Lawal was? He was a direct descendant of Afonja. You need an insider, a descendant of those that feel cheated in the power imbalance to ascent Governorship and get backing of the central govt. Gov Lawal had eroded the Emirate's power so far that if he had secured another term the Emir would have been history. Thats who you need, an insider....not someone from outside the family. Study Ilorin history and update yourself on the current politics. 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 5:36am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: You are mixing things up. Removing the Emir resolves the problem for Asa and Moro. A governor comes in and grades the traditional rulers and take their jurisdictions out of Ilorin. Next regime is another governor, he puts them back under Ilorin. He is succeeded by one that separates them. He is in turn succeeded by another that puts them back. This has been the story.... Get the damn turban out of there and stop the add and remove back and forth..... |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 6:26am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: If your point is that Christianity is the rescue, you are misreading Kwara politics. In fact Lawal, a muslim, did far more damage to Emirate than did David, a christian. Both were ex-military. The upgrading , downgrading, upgrading, downgrading has been going on a long time. Its not a solution since a sitting governor can simply reverse what his predecessor did. See attachments. Since 1999 there has not been a single christian governor. Kwara will be lucky to get christian governor succeed christian governor once....but will not happen twice. When it does happen....whatever anti Emirate policy they install will be dismantled when another muslim comes in. Use facts on ground, not emotions, to understand Kwara politics. See how the LGs have been tossed back and forth between successive govts. What they need is an elimination of Emirate itself. That was Lawal's mission. 1 Share
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Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by llakes4real: 7:44am On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical A legislation in the state's house of assembly should stop the back and forth. A willing governor sends a bill to the house of assembly and assist it to be passed, he then signs it into law. Overturning this would be an herculean task for any subsequent government. Osaze007 The problem is not religious! There are lots of liberal muslims and muslims who don't like status quo in Ilorin, but lack political will from the successive governors in Kwara state. Getting a Christian governor in Kwara is close to impossible for now, and even if one manages to get there, would he want to risk rocking the boat? The military men were in a better position to change things. This their governor would even be more scared of doing the right thing, because he knows a Bukola Saraki is on his tail. One thing am certain of is that the breakup of Nigeria would fix things. Fulani people would then be dished their own poison. They have amassed so many enemies, to the extent that in some west African countries, they are either killed on sight or arrested. |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Ritchiee: 8:04am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Corporate2020: What is your history? Everybody knows that Fulanis arrival in Nigeria is not up to 250 years. Some Fulanis and Hausa who fled from the North,were formerly slaves in the Oyo Empire. 3 Likes |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Ritchiee: 8:22am On Jul 25, 2020 |
llakes4real: I don't know why you are all saying this.The problem was the godfather of Kwara politics.The senior and junior who has been cut down now. They have done everything to portray Kwara especially Ilorin as a Gambari state. It is because Saraki does not have influence like before that I think anything that will bring real growth can be done. This emir in Ilorin will be the last. 2 Likes |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Aksnoopy: 9:18am On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical:I thought you are a Muslims, why are you speaking against Islam? Be careful mr.! |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by llakes4real: 10:01am On Jul 25, 2020 |
Ritchiee: I share your optimism, sir/ma! I personally don't like what I see in Kwara state. Minorities shouldn't be lording over us there. It irritates me to read that Yoruba kings are wailing about the injustice that a backstabbing throne does to them. |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 1:28pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
llakes4real: Waiting fr Nigeria to break up before Yorubas can reclaim Ilorin is a long thing My topic here is only successive Christain government in kwara can whittle down Influece of the emir as evidenced by history Obasanjo helped with creation of Moro LG David Bamigboye helped to liberate Kwara south If Cornelius Adebayo spent more time as governor a lot of things would have changed That’s the truth backed by evidence |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 1:30pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: Nope the David Banigboye Remoce the emir before removing Kwara south ? I just sent you an article Stop diverting my topic I said only a Christian can remove those communities under Ilorin not remove a Fulani emir from Ilorin It has nothing to do with Mohammed Lawal |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 1:32pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
llakes4real: Some of the yorubas are even saying only a Muslim can be ruling Kwara but the same Muslims want to rule in majority Christain states such as Lagos Ogun ondo Ekiti kogi yorubas loooool |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 1:38pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: So your proving my point when you say the Muslim governor will reverse liberation a Christain governor will do Looool Anyways M Lawal seems to be the only Muslim governor who challenged the system but let’s not forget he was former governor of Ogun a predominantly Christain state |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 3:12pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: You are not interested in true solution for the people. Your interest is foisting christianity. A true seeker of solution does not speak the way you just did. You have not made any point worth reinforcing. 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 3:30pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: Stop using religion to divide people. The article in the original post is what Im arguing on, its not a diversion. Your submissions are senseless. I dont support senseless religious agenda. If you are looking for christianity to support your goal you are in the wrong community..... If Yoruba in Kwara have awakened and began to pushbback on jihadi Islam....what makes you think Christianity will succeed with them? They are not leaving Islam but they abandoning Islamic practice of the North. They do not care if a Muslim or Christian is governor....which is the true Yoruba belief, their position is doing away with the Emirate. The issue of separating Moro Jebba from Ilorin Emirate is a long battle, as far back as 1913, 1936.....under Christian rulers! It has been a back and forth struggle. I posted article that supported the fact. Christians have removed them, and a Christian have put them back. A Muslim have removed them, and a Muslim put them back. You have no point whatsoever, and your purpose is not to resolve their problem.....but you are exploiting their problem to force Christianity on them and further divide the people on religious line. Shame on you! 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 3:51pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
llakes4real: Very solid point! What you suggested is a workaround the useless back and forth executive orders to grade and suspend grading. If the House of Assembly passes it becomes law and is sustainable....but the Emirate will use backdoor to sneak in allies that will use a followup law to thrash it. APC is not going to remain in power in perpetuity, if an opposition that is supported by the Emir comes in they will reverse the law. So what we avoided in the executive will now repeat in the legislative. You have a solid point...but do away with the Emirate and this problem is solved permanently! Read this to get idea of certain stakeholders that have sold Ilorin to the North even in modern days. They work against their fellow Yorubas because they are allied with North. These type of people work behind the scene to thwart any movement for regionalism or restructuring.... I call them Northern spies and agents in our midst in Yorubaland..... Lawal to Saraki: Don't Use OPC for Cheap Politics 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 4:05pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
llakes4real, It was Senior Saraki, Olusola, speaking in that article. His son, Bukola repeated the same in last election and accused O to Gee movement of attempting to ally Kwara to SW. He said it should be opposed, Kwara remain Northerner. He then accused the current governor who was a candidate then of an agenda to depose and wipe away the Emirate. In the background, Northern Emirs are actively backing survival of Emirate in Ilorin. When we have a Northerner in Presidency....they use him as a proxy to reinforce fulani in Ilorin. This is the case with recent nomination of Gambari as Chief of Staff to Buhari. Gambari accepted a position below his rank but politically expedient to bring central force into play and stall and destroy forces opposed to the Emirate. Governor Abdulrazaq has done wonderfully well in Governing the State, I doubt he will get a second coming....even though he has earned it and should get a landfall victory. The fear is that once Buhari leaves a succeeding Yoruba in center will boost Abdulrazaq to try things openly that are currently kept hidden under cover. I am an adept of Kwara politics. There are things there not worth bringing here to public. The Emir of Ilorin knows and Gwandu knows that something is brewing underground in the inner circle of the Emirate. They cant lay their fingers on it but it keeps them restless nonetheless. Kwara Emirate did not come from Sokoto by the way, its from Gwandu. Thats another topic for another day. 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 4:09pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: I apologize I’m not trying to divide I’m just saying what I see 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by Osaze007: 4:19pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: You have succeeded in diverting my topic to Christain agenda since you can’t counter my point anyways I’m no longer arguing |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 4:52pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: Your mind speaks out for itself and your intent is written all over your submissions.....doesnt need an interpreter. 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by llakes4real: 5:00pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical Thank you for sharing that information with me. |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by llakes4real: 5:13pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: Ultra-religious people like you are minorities in the SW, so religion politics can't guarantee victory for anyone. Where and when did you conduct your survey to know the population of Christians as other beliefs in the SW? Anyone relying on am a Muslim or a Christian who lose out, because there are so many people who are educated enough to see them for the scam that they are. One thing I know works is party politics and "victimhood" (Yoruba people like supporting "the bullied" ). Play the victim of an oppressor and see how people would troop to your side. 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by llakes4real: 5:18pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: He is also as guilty as those he keeps accusing of religious extremism. 2 Likes |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 5:22pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
llakes4real: You welcome sir! 1 Like |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by MetaPhysical: 5:34pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: Another expose of your agenda in Yorubaland. We are happy as we are, and unconcerned with religious majority/minority problems that other regions of Nigeria struggle with. 3 Likes |
Re: Moro District Heads Threaten Kwara Government With Violence by llakes4real: 5:44pm On Jul 25, 2020 |
Osaze007: You are not seeing anything! It is a problem extremism and politicking. Do you think a Muslim like Bukola Saraki is an extremist? The man married a Christian wife (you should learn this from people like him). He keeps playing on the side of the emir because he wants favour from those he feels are the most powerful in the country, and not because he his some extraordinary Muslim. Study things properly before jumping to conclusions. One thing you should learn is that, Religious extremism wouldn't take you anywhere in Yorubaland! Everyone is merged into each other. Imagine being born in a family where your Father practice Yoruba religion, your mom is a Christian, and your best uncle is a Muslim. What can anyone tell you against your people's religion? Take a look at the last election in Oyo state and see for yourself our Yorubas think. I would argue that that Oyo state is predominantly Muslim (I haven't carried out any survey, just a calculated guess). Seyi Makinde, whose religion I don't know (I won't assume he is a Christian!) beat his opponent who trying to play the religious card (the APC man was campaigning with a Muslim middle name). Mind you the incumbent governor was Muslim in public (this is very important in Yorubaland ), but his wife is a Christian! David Bamigboye might not have been a Christian as you assumed -- bearing an English name doesn't mean you're a Christian. |
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