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The guy Ghadafi asked thrown down the gauntlet:

He asked:
*Did America/E.U or the West impose a no-fly  when they bombed Fallujah?
*Did they impose one when The Chineese decided that their country's Unity was more important, and used TANKS in Tienemen Square, in China?
*What did they do to Russia when it flattened Chechnya to protect its country's Unity?

He said "some scoundrels" who wanted to divide the country are using this protest as an excuse to cause chaos!


Whether you agree with him or not, those questions still demand an answer EXCEPT we are saying:FOR AFRICA< ITS A DIFFERENT RULE!

All said, NO ONE SHOULD RULE A COUNTRY FOR TOO LONG. END OF STORY!


BTW: God forbid, if this revolution did not succeed, there will be NO HIDING PLACE ON EARTH for those defectors O!

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Once again, l am appalled by the level of reasoning of many people on NL!
CAN WE JUST LOOK BEYOND THE SURFACE?
We should not risk coming across as being daft and gullible that we will just swallow ANYTHING, hook, line and sinker!

I apologize if l come across as "rude" (which is generally not my demeanor) but l hope anyone will understand that right now, I AM ANGRY!

WHY?
First: Lets put these whole "REVOLUTION" into context.
1.) It started in Tunisia, got copied in Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, (cooking in Syria, Iran) then Libya.
2.) These are ALL Arabic/Muslim countries and we cant pretend we dont know their traditional/cultural/moral collisions with the West.
3.)Apart from Tunisia which was "spontaneous", all other ones are "instigated, propagated, support and even financed" from outside (The U.S announced 2weeks ago or so, it is increasing the amount of money it sets aside to support "activist" (another word for dissidents, saboteurs and foreign agents used to internally destabilize a country) by $30Million. ASK YOURSELF, HOW AND WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO WITH THESE MONEY?

4.) if there is "DISCONTENT" with a government in the West (just like we have with Obama V.s the Tea Party recently) do the people "violently overthrow" the government? Do other people finance (or have the right to) finance citizens who are against the current government OR do they wait till the next election to VOTE THEM OUT?
Recent Tuition fee increase in the U.K caused a lot of massive demonstration (and we say it all on T.V), did Nigerian or Egyptian or Russian government "comment, incite or encourage" the protesters? (even some of them were arrested and charged to court for criminal offenses). Why is it different when it comes to "Africans or Muslim countries"? Is it one law for them and another for the Western countries?

5.) Does anyone not know that there have been recent issues between U.K/U.S and Libya, especially with the Libyan, Lockerbie Bomber who was freed so U.K can exploit Libya's oil and then turn around to demand he be returned? What do you think this kind of people will do, at the slightest sign of a "crack" in the polity?
6.)On the issue "BLACK MERCENARIES"; Before now, we are aware that "White/fair-skinned North Africans (including Sudanese in central Africa, reason they recently voted to divide the country!) have a very deep dislike for Black/dark skinned citizens of their countries? Are we not aware that they have these "misplaced superiority complex" and think the darker ones are "lesser humans"? Do we not "experience" the same thing even in Nigeria, with our North-South dichotomy? How much more in North Africa? So, who best to blame for "inhumanity" than the same "black people"?

6.) There have been "stories" of massive human rights violation in Libya. We've heard that "Fighter Jets and Helicopter Gunships" have been used to attack the population. Is this a fact, propaganda or fiction?
Anyone who watched the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Iraq during the invasion will easily see the deceit in all these stories.
These "machines" dont kill in twos or threes, they kill in hundreds and to imagine that they are used on a "street with thousands of Protesters", then the death toll will equally be in the thousands! but so far, we have a tally of just over 200+, after about 3days of "bombing"! LKWMD

The Libyan authority has said it only "bombed/destroyed/neutralized" military depots [b]that were ransacked by looters so that the arms and ammunition there-in, would not be put to use against their own security agents.[/b] They did not target civilians or any human! But inorder to garner public sympathy, they chose to manipulate the truth, and we all swallow it too?!

7.) Ask yourself, where is all these "news" coming from? Are these sources credible? How come we did not see any VIDEO FOOTAGE of a Jet fighter "IN THE ACT" of bombing people (even if its from a mobile phone). How come its ONLY DEFECTORS that are telling us these "unsubstantiated stories"?

8.) Again, why did the U.K foreign Secretary "set up rumors" that the Libyan Gadafi has ran away from Libya, to Venezeula? Is it not to give a feeling of "fait accompli", that the revolution has succeeded? But The Man himself came out to tell us, l dey kampe  Even the Venezeulan govt has denied that farce! What was his interest and that of Britain in this matter, that he had to go that far?

9.) Looking at the picture of the "captured mercenary", do they look like YOU AND ME (being black Africans) or is this just another attempt to "colour me bad", since l am black?
Why are they "emphasizing" the "blackness" of that mercenary? Does Ghadafi have a history of likeness for dark-skinned Africans? NO!
How then can it now be the same set of people that are his mercenaries? Do we not know that Ghadafi has all sorts of trained, private security force (some are even Israelis, female, e.t.c , and can anyone recall the retinue of security men/women, that he brought to Nigeria, just a while ago?).

10.) The government has been accused of severing ALL COMMUNICATION LINKS yet "foreign-based commentators" keep telling us of how they called their family members in Libya, from the U.S and elsewhere, using normal phone-lines? Very contradictory and indicative of a massive propaganda!
Why was the U.S and E.U countries "first, more concerned with whether the new government after the revolution in Egypt, will be friendly towards Israel or not"? Does it not show us that its all about "selfish interest" and not "democracy and freedom" as the West claim?


11)Again, can we not see that "opportunist and traitors" are at work in these North African Revolutions? How on earth can you explain Ambassadors who are selected and posted to foreign countries by Ghadafi, to foreign lands, for years, without complain, suddenly turning against him from such foreign posts YET refusing to RESIGN!
Why did they not "speak-out" before now or when Tunisia was boiling?
Why is it now that they sense an opportunity, that Ghadafi's regime is gasping for breath?
Are these the kind of people that will now call themselves "revolutionist" so they can benefit from whats going on?(and they are all just posturing to grab political offices!)
I detest cowards, traitors, opportunist and turn-coats!
How do you explain all these "foreign-based government officials suddenly stabbing their own government in the back?
Just because they now see where the "wind is blowing"?
You cannot criticize a government that you're a part of (at least until the "People" took to the street). You should resign first and then tackle the government. This is what "fair-play and equity" demands

11.) Why did we not hear of "BLACK SECURITY" people in Libya, all these years, where did they suddenly spring from?
Did Ghadafi ferry them from Nigeria all of a sudden or are they Boko Harram

12.) Again, has anyone noticed the "difference in rhetoric" from countries in the E.U and U.S, when they speak about the "protest" in Libya and then in Bahrain! How come the tone is "subtle and reconciliatory" when it concerns Bahrain but very inflammatory, provocative and inciting when it comes to Libya?  (Both are ruled by dictators and sit-tights BUT one contains a U.S Naval strategic base (sixth fleet) and the other has no visible U.S interest!).
In fact, it was Bahrain that sent armed forces to attack protesters, while they were sleeping at the Square, in the night, using live ammunitions but THEY PLAYED IT DOWN IN THE MEDIA, no wonder Ghadafi referred to these media as "Dog Media"!

13.)Again, let us not forget that Libya itself is NOT a homogeneous entity like Egypt. They are just like Nigeria (with a seething undercurrent of civil war between Northern Libya (Tripoli) and Southern Libya (Benghazi areas). Some are taking these "protest" as an opportunity to "divide and secede" from the country. Some of them are very light-skinned while others are of a darker shade BUT THEY ARE ALL LIBYANS!
Some are just trying to 'inject' the ethnic/race/color angle into these protest, so as to gain more momentum.

14.) What happened in Tunisia and even right now in Libya is no different from what happened (is happening now in Belarus), the sit-tight President has rigged elections, killed oppositions and jailed others BUT the E.U or U.S is NOT promoting "chaos/revolution" over there!
They know better, that one is Europe naah!

While l do not favor dictatorship, while l am 100% for freedom, democracy and rule of law, l think there is a "deeper design" than what goes on in the surface. The common man has been used as a "canon-fodder" for too long!
This is the current focus of this rejoinder.

In summary,
*Let us not jump to conclusions.
*Let us "see the big picture" and put hings in perspective.
*Let us not fall for any manipulation by vested interests.
*Let us be 'hasty' to listen but very 'reluctant/slow' to speak/comment!
*Let us be wary of "Western Media" and be able to sift through some of the propaganda they sometime feed us. Remember, you 're only as informed as what you hear or read about!
*Let us be wary of those who promote "chaos" in our country (to resolve legitimate problems) but who themselves will never use such method but will  rather resort to democratic and legal means. At the end of the day, we would have o live and pay for whatever damage we cause to ourselves!
*Let us educate people from the West that "Africa" is a "continent" (not one country), made up of as many as 54 countries and counting. They should stop referring to one

BTW: I am neither Muslim, anti-West or a Libyan
I just choose to  look at issues from a dispassionate point of view.

THE ZONES

The two no-fly zones, one in the north and another in the south of Iraq, [size=13pt]were unilaterally created by the US, Britain and France soon after the 1991 Gulf Wa[/size]r. Iraq was banned from using all aircraft, including helicopters, in the air exclusion zones.

The Northern Zone

The Northern Zone was established in April 1991 after Baghdad mobilised helicopter gunships to quell a Kurdish uprising. Known as Operation Provide Comfort, it lies to the north of the 36th parallel covering an area of 19, 000 square miles. France pulled out of patrolling the operation in December 1996 because, it said, changes in the mission had eliminated its humanitarian aspects.

The Southern Zone
The Southern Zone was imposed south of the 32nd parallel in August 1992 to protect Shi'ite Muslims who also rebelled against Baghdad.

Known as Operation Southern Watch, it came about after the UN passed a resolution condemning President Saddam Hussein for the repression of Iraq's civilian population. At first the zone covered mainly marshlands and included Basra, Iraq's second largest city.

Late in 1996, it was extended northward, closer to the Iraqi capital, to the 33rd parallel, covering the southern third of Iraq. The expansion came after Iraq intervened in fighting between Kurdish factions around the city of Irbil, a UN-designated safe haven.

France refused to participate in patrolling the extended zone.

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One funny Libyan living in the U.S, on Libyan SCHOLARSHIP also came out on TV to say he wants Ghadafi killed, called him names and all the "adjectives" they were supplied with!

I ask: Why dont you refund all the Scholarship Money Ghadafi gave you first? Then take the next flight to Tripoli!
Did he send you to America to study or to become a turn-coat?

Some people have no conscience! It now seem fashionable, to jump on the boat, at least like some of our own "so-called NADECO", its a passport to political appointments! Go ask my friend, the "Junk Publisher" who wants to be President

Mschew!

lastpage:

Once again, l am appalled by the level of reasoning of many people on NL!
CAN WE JUST LOOK BEYOND THE SURFACE?
We should not risk coming across as being daft and gullible that we will just swallow ANYTHING, hook, line and sinker!

I apologize if l come across as "rude" (which is generally not my demeanor) but l hope anyone will understand that right now, I AM ANGRY!

WHY?
First: Lets put these whole "REVOLUTION" into context.
1.) It started in Tunisia, got copied in Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, (cooking in Syria, Iran) then Libya.
2.) These are ALL Arabic/Muslim countries and we cant pretend we dont know their traditional/cultural/moral collisions with the West.
3.)Apart from Tunisia which was "spontaneous", all other ones are "instigated, propagated, support and even financed" from outside (The U.S announced 2weeks ago or so, it is increasing the amount of money it sets aside to support "activist" (another word for dissidents, saboteurs and foreign agents used to internally destabilize a country) by $30Million. ASK YOURSELF, HOW AND WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO WITH THESE MONEY?

4.) if there is "DISCONTENT" with a government in the West (just like we have with Obama V.s the Tea Party recently) do the people "violently overthrow" the government? Do other people finance (or have the right to) finance citizens who are against the current government OR do they wait till the next election to VOTE THEM OUT?
Recent Tuition fee increase in the U.K caused a lot of massive demonstration (and we say it all on T.V), did Nigerian or Egyptian or Russian government "comment, incite or encourage" the protesters? (even some of them were arrested and charged to court for criminal offenses). Why is it different when it comes to "Africans or Muslim countries"? Is it one law for them and another for the Western countries?

5.) Does anyone not know that there have been recent issues between U.K/U.S and Libya, especially with the Libyan, Lockerbie Bomber who was freed so U.K can exploit Libya's oil and then turn around to demand he be returned? What do you think this kind of people will do, at the slightest sign of a "crack" in the polity?
6.)On the issue "BLACK MERCENARIES"; Before now, we are aware that "White/fair-skinned North Africans (including Sudanese in central Africa, reason they recently voted to divide the country!) have a very deep dislike for Black/dark skinned citizens of their countries? Are we not aware that they have these "misplaced superiority complex" and think the darker ones are "lesser humans"? Do we not "experience" the same thing even in Nigeria, with our North-South dichotomy? How much more in North Africa? So, who best to blame for "inhumanity" than the same "black people"?

6.) There have been "stories" of massive human rights violation in Libya. We've heard that "Fighter Jets and Helicopter Gunships" have been used to attack the population. Is this a fact, propaganda or fiction?
Anyone who watched the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Iraq during the invasion will easily see the deceit in all these stories.
These "machines" dont kill in twos or threes, they kill in hundreds and to imagine that they are used on a "street with thousands of Protesters", then the death toll will equally be in the thousands! but so far, we have a tally of just over 200+, after about 3days of "bombing"! LKWMD

The Libyan authority has said it only "bombed/destroyed/neutralized" military depots [b]that were ransacked by looters so that the arms and ammunition there-in, would not be put to use against their own security agents.[/b] They did not target civilians or any human! But inorder to garner public sympathy, they chose to manipulate the truth, and we all swallow it too?!

7.) Ask yourself, where is all these "news" coming from? Are these sources credible? How come we did not see any VIDEO FOOTAGE of a Jet fighter "IN THE ACT" of bombing people (even if its from a mobile phone). How come its ONLY DEFECTORS that are telling us these "unsubstantiated stories"?

8.) Again, why did the U.K foreign Secretary "set up rumors" that the Libyan Gadafi has ran away from Libya, to Venezeula? Is it not to give a feeling of "fait accompli", that the revolution has succeeded? But The Man himself came out to tell us, l dey kampe   Even the Venezeulan govt has denied that farce! What was his interest and that of Britain in this matter, that he had to go that far?

9.) Looking at the picture of the "captured mercenary", do they look like YOU AND ME (being black Africans) or is this just another attempt to "colour me bad", since l am black?
Why are they "emphasizing" the "blackness" of that mercenary? Does Ghadafi have a history of likeness for dark-skinned Africans? NO!
How then can it now be the same set of people that are his mercenaries? Do we not know that Ghadafi has all sorts of trained, private security force (some are even Israelis, female, e.t.c , and can anyone recall the retinue of security men/women, that he brought to Nigeria, just a while ago?).

10.) The government has been accused of severing ALL COMMUNICATION LINKS yet "foreign-based commentators" keep telling us of how they called their family members in Libya, from the U.S and elsewhere, using normal phone-lines? Very contradictory and indicative of a massive propaganda!
Why was the U.S and E.U countries "first, more concerned with whether the new government after the revolution in Egypt, will be friendly towards Israel or not"? Does it not show us that its all about "selfish interest" and not "democracy and freedom" as the West claim?


11)Again, can we not see that "opportunist and traitors" are at work in these North African Revolutions? How on earth can you explain Ambassadors who are selected and posted to foreign countries by Ghadafi, to foreign lands, for years, without complain, suddenly turning against him from such foreign posts YET refusing to RESIGN!
Why did they not "speak-out" before now or when Tunisia was boiling?
Why is it now that they sense an opportunity, that Ghadafi's regime is gasping for breath?
Are these the kind of people that will now call themselves "revolutionist" so they can benefit from whats going on?(and they are all just posturing to grab political offices!)
I detest cowards, traitors, opportunist and turn-coats!
How do you explain all these "foreign-based government officials suddenly stabbing their own government in the back?
Just because they now see where the "wind is blowing"?
You cannot criticize a government that you're a part of (at least until the "People" took to the street). You should resign first and then tackle the government. This is what "fair-play and equity" demands

11.) Why did we not hear of "BLACK SECURITY" people in Libya, all these years, where did they suddenly spring from?
Did Ghadafi ferry them from Nigeria all of a sudden or are they Boko Harram

12.) Again, has anyone noticed the "difference in rhetoric" from countries in the E.U and U.S, when they speak about the "protest" in Libya and then in Bahrain! How come the tone is "subtle and reconciliatory" when it concerns Bahrain but very inflammatory, provocative and inciting when it comes to Libya?  (Both are ruled by dictators and sit-tights BUT one contains a U.S Naval strategic base (sixth fleet) and the other has no visible U.S interest!).
In fact, it was Bahrain that sent armed forces to attack protesters, while they were sleeping at the Square, in the night, using live ammunitions but THEY PLAYED IT DOWN IN THE MEDIA, no wonder Ghadafi referred to these media as "Dog Media"!

13.)Again, let us not forget that Libya itself is NOT a homogeneous entity like Egypt. They are just like Nigeria (with a seething undercurrent of civil war between Northern Libya (Tripoli) and Southern Libya (Benghazi areas). Some are taking these "protest" as an opportunity to "divide and secede" from the country. Some of them are very light-skinned while others are of a darker shade BUT THEY ARE ALL LIBYANS!
Some are just trying to 'inject' the ethnic/race/color angle into these protest, so as to gain more momentum.

14.) What happened in Tunisia and even right now in Libya is no different from what happened (is happening now in Belarus), the sit-tight President has rigged elections, killed oppositions and jailed others BUT the E.U or U.S is NOT promoting "chaos/revolution" over there!
They know better, that one is Europe naah!

While l do not favor dictatorship, while l am 100% for freedom, democracy and rule of law, l think there is a "deeper design" than what goes on in the surface. The common man has been used as a "canon-fodder" for too long!
This is the current focus of this rejoinder.

In summary,
*Let us not jump to conclusions.
*Let us "see the big picture" and put hings in perspective.
*Let us not fall for any manipulation by vested interests.
*Let us be 'hasty' to listen but very 'reluctant/slow' to speak/comment!
*Let us be wary of "Western Media" and be able to sift through some of the propaganda they sometime feed us. Remember, you 're only as informed as what you hear or read about!
*Let us be wary of those who promote "chaos" in our country (to resolve legitimate problems) but who themselves will never use such method but will  rather resort to democratic and legal means. At the end of the day, we would have o live and pay for whatever damage we cause to ourselves!
*Let us educate people from the West that "Africa" is a "continent" (not one country), made up of as many as 54 countries and counting. They should stop referring to one

BTW: I am neither Muslim, anti-West or a Libyan
I just choose to  look at issues from a dispassionate point of view.

Kobojunkie:

^^^  Let us try to think CRITICALLY in ALL THINGS rather than lifting up the insanity of a man

---   US was at WAR in IRAQ and so imposing a no-fly zone is senseless
---   The US could not have done that AT THE TIME. I believe the act was condemned
---   it was during WAR

How does a leader declare War on UNARMED members of his own constituency? How does a leader now turn the guns, which he swore to protect his people with, on his own people? [/b]Unless someone is going to explain to us how it makes sense for a man to declare WAR on his own people and deciding they deserve death simply for calling for him to step down, I don't see why anyone would try to give credence to the words of a lunatic.

Dont be Ignorant, dont you live in the USA

Dont you know [b]"the pledge" [/b]that that those in the

"Intelligence Servie"

"Military Service"

"Politcal Service"

"Bureau Service"

take when the are sworn/contracted into office

Have you not heared them Quote the following Statement

[b]"I SWEAR TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINT
ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN & DOMESTIC",

pro01:

I'm not so sure about the point Mr. Lastpage is trying to make with his indeterminate and incoherent argument(s). On the one hand you suggest that the uprising in Libya is promoted by foreign elements particularly the US and Western Europe, and on the other hand you rail against "turn coats" and 'opportunists' within the Libyan government who want to cash-in (according to your reasoning) on the present situation for their own selfish-interests.

POINT 1 -  You also suggested earlier that the uprising in Libya and Egypt were stage-managed (so to say), and that only Tunisia's revolt was spontaneous. I don't consider these arguments convincing in the least.

The arab world is very close-knit and homogenous in character, and as such it is susceptible to any sort of political or ideological contagion. And so, while the revolts in Egypt and Libya were definitely inspired by the Tunisian example, they are no less spontaneous!

POINT 2  In all three cases, the revolts did not have any clear leader-figures or definite organization by civil rights groups or such bodies; the masses rose in unison to effect changes in government.

POINT 3 - If you argue that the United States or the West are the ones funding/promoting/instigating the uprising in Libya, the question is HOW? Certainly the ordinary Libyans have no contact with western media or western agents; and

POINT 4 - since there are no go-betweens or leader-figures for the protests, through whom did the United States channel its material, ideological, or logistical support for the uprising? ? ? This argument is clearly unsustainable and betrays your anti-Western bias. And in all three cases (Tunisia, Egypt, and now Libya), the catalysts for the revolts are the same: poor living conditions, unemployment, and frustration among the masses. What has that got to do with foreign instigation?

POINT 5 - Again, you express your bitter vexation against what you called "turn-coats" - i.e. the regime officials who resigned from Ghaddafi's government and switched support to the protesters.

What exactly are you talking about? I find this outrageous. The so-called turn-coats all became "turn-coats" due to Ghaddafi's unmitigated o*r*gy of brutal violence against the defenceless protesters that has left hundreds dead. The Justices, Ambassadors, Army officers, and Airforce colonels that turned their backs to Ghaddafi did so in protest against his brutal methods of dealing with the uprising and the sheer number of innocent people that have been massacred by Ghaddafi's goons. This, to me, is the height of conscientiousness on the part of the honorable officials who chose to support the beleaguered masses. I wonder why any rational person would regard such heroes as  'opportunists' and 'turn coats'! Do you prefer that they remained with Ghaddafi's murderous regime and carry out orders to exterminate the defenceless masses?

For sure The United States would be happy to get rid of Ghaddafi, no doubt. In fact, for so many years the CIA must have strategized on ways to eliminate him - all to no avail. . .until recently when the Madman of Libya decided to end his long isolation and reach a rapproachment with US and Europe.

POINT 6 - The US wouldn't believe its luck that the pain in the a*r*s*e called Ghaddafi may be booted out of power by popular uprising, no doubt about that. [/b]But to suggest that the US has any direct or indirect influence on that process is an entirely baseless argument.

[b]POINT 7 - Ghaddafi has being in power for 42 years, (and he is not even a monarch!). Nothing lasts for ever. [/b]Unfortunately for him, an unexpected (albeit long overdue) gale of revolution started sweeping across the middle east. . .and he will merely be a casualty of that gale, not of any US or western conspiracy as some of you so irrationally argue.

DeeJay20:

O.K Dude, i guess i need to give you one liners on each point i have put
in Bold in regards to your counter-arguement,

Answer to Point 1 - Triggers [/b]that provoke dis-tablisation in regimes, States & Govt are easy to exploit when you have been looking for an opening for a long time, [b]"The hidden hand is always at work",

Answer to Point 2 - You are living in koo-koo Land, all Protest, Uprisings and demonstrations, have "Planners", "Funders", "Leaders", "Patsies" & and "Scape-goats". The protesters had backers and planners who directed them,
even the "Alternative media in Europe/USA" are SHOUTING THIS at the top of their Lungs!!!

Answer to Point 3 - How are they backing this, Oh this is the beauty of the
Institutional System of Amerrika! Amerrika is influenced and run by
NGO's ie "Think tanks thru Policy Formation", the ones holding the real power always stay in the shadows, its the beauty of the amerrican way,

Answer to Point 4 - In America we operate by a saying which was said very well
by a retired WWF Wresler (Ted DiBiase)  "Every-Body has an Invisible Price-Tag on his Fore-Head", American rules by Influence PERIOD! NEVER UNDER-ESTIMATE THIS POWER!!!

Answer to Point 5 - Please look at Point 4 and think very well, and remember the saying of the Little Asian Kid in the film Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom "COVER YOUR HEART INDIE! DR JONES COVER your HEART! HIS GONNA GO FOR YOUR HEART"!!!

Answer to Point 6 - THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT PEOPLE WHO ORIGINALLY COME FROM THE "SO CALLED THIRD WORLD" SHOULD NOTE VERY WELL - WESTERN EUROPEANS/NORTH AMERICANS DO NOT AND I REPEAT. DO NOT OPERATE ON LUCK!!! THEY ARE COLD, SHARP AND CALCULATIVE, IF U DONT KNOW THIS THEN U R ALWAYS GONNA BE A SUCKER WHEN DEALING IN INTERNATIONAL ISSUES,


Answer to Point 7 - My final comment is what will be the "golden goal" of
providence: SAUDI ARABIA!!! IF THE PROTEST DO NOT TOUCH THIS COUNTRY THEN WE ALL CAN NOT ARGUE WITH WHO IS OR IS NOT BEHIND THIS!!

PLEASE CAN U GIVE ME A PROJECTED DATA WHEN YOU THINK THE HOUSE OF SAUD WILL BE OVERTHROWN BY A POPULAR UP-RISING

ITS BEEN OVER 66 YEARS NOW SINCE AMERICA CUT A SECRET DEAL WITH THEM, ERMM CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS?

cap28:

Deejay i thank God there are people like you on this forum.

America and Britain did not become empires by playing by the rules - skullduggery, deceit, saying one thing while meaning the opposite are traits which are characteristic of the  british and american ruling elite who are determined to stop at nothing in order to ensure that they retain their grip on the world's wealth.  The powers that be in whitehall and washington are behind these revolutions, i am as certain of this as the fact that night follows day.

The point you raised about Saudi arabia is very important - will any uprising occur there? i think we both know the answer to that.  The Saudi Royal family have billions of dollars of investments in the US, they are close friends and business associates with the Bush family, the Clintons and many other senior members of the american political elite.

The idea that Gadaffi is worse than those sycopathic murdererers is ludicrous, I pray that Gadaffi continues to stand strong and defy their evil machinations.

They say that you reap what you sow, i hope i willl be alive to see the day when america and britain will pay for the trail of misery and destruction that they have left in their wake all over the world.