[/quote][quote author=igbsam link=topic=628477.msg7961613#msg7961613 date=1300793371]
I didn't go there to live. Went there on a business trip for my firm. True we have Nigerians trying to earn a living there and its not only in libya that we have Nigerians or other foreigners, they move to other countries too. Why would the citizen of libya be living in fear of the man. Fine the guy developed the country to what it is. But lo and behold, there are other areas that are worst than Ajegunle there. Just like Nigeria, they show u d finest places and u feel nigeria is paradise, so it is there. u say something against ghadaffi just like we say all sort of things against GEJ and other politicians here. say it and be heard by one of his soldiers, then u have a room waiting for u in one of his dirty jail. The people are tired of all this, dats why they are asking for liberation.

violent:

Why do People make this thing an "American" thing?  when so many countries are involved?

America was one of the last countries to back military support, i don't see anyone mentioning France on this thread.

As for those who think because coalition forces haven't intervened in genocidal cases in the past, it shouldn't do the same in the future or the present, I wonder if you people have an IQ figure the same number as your age.

violent:

Why do People make this thing an "American" thing?  when so many countries are involved?

America was one of the last countries to back military support, i don't see anyone mentioning France on this thread.

As for those who think because coalition forces haven't intervened in genocidal cases in the past, it shouldn't do the same in the future or the present, I wonder if you people have an IQ figure the same number as your age.

Fimmy:

U guys are not getting one thing right.GADAFFI attacked REBELS.rebels are not innocent under any constitution.

Timehin:

@igbsam, it only show how uncouth you are for calling others daft. Are you on this planet earth during the Iraqi war? What was the US looking for then? Have they found the WMDs till date? Agreed Gadaffi is bad but should that warrant the unnecessary invasion under the guise of no flyzone? Have they explore other options like negotiations, sending observers to mediate in the crisis? What about casualties and can u vouch that libyans are the major beneficiaries of this war? If there has to be reconstruction in a post Gadaffi era which companies and countries will be beneficiaries? Why are countries like China, Russia, Venezuela, Some of Arab league & african countries now against these air strikes? Why d seemingly rush & moves to assasinate Gadaffi cos i wouldnt be surprised should Britain, US and France give the order soon. Am not saying Gadaffi should sit tight but let genuine decisions outweigh personal and selfish interests (probably you too have a business interest thats at stake)? These are questions that needs objective consideration.

Fimmy:

@ Violet. Libya has a written constitution,everything isnt decided by Gadaffi.get your facts right.he did nothin wrong attackin the rebels in his nation.
So if the MEND starts attackin government n the military responds,the so called west will come?
LIBYA IS ATTACKED COS ITS A MUSLIM NATION N SHE HAS LOTS OF OIL.

Libyan bombing 'unconstitutional', Republicans warn Obama

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/22/libyan-conflict-unconstitutional-obama-warned

Limaoscar:



Republicans like to talk bullshit. I saw this coming. First they said Obama's administration re-acted too late, (John Mccain) now they are talking from both sides of the tongue. Too bad.

More than 8,000 Libyans aligned with the rebel movement that rose up against Muammar Gaddafi have been killed in the revolt against his rule, a spokesman for the rebel movement told Al Jazeera

uum . . . If you read the article again, you would understand that the man is not complaining of the military strikes. In period of one month, Ghaddafi has taken out 8000 of his own people. That is what the article is telling you.

Kgdavid:

1. the Libyan revolution started as a PEACEFUL PROTEST same as was held in egypt. for several days the protesters were brutally attacked and had etreme violence meted out to them till members of the military started defecting, supplying the protesters with arms and a means to defend themselves.

2. are you saying that american instigated thousands of libyans to take to the streets in the first place?

3. are you saying the no fly zone currently imposed by a coalition of nations sanction by the U.N and A.U and requested for by the Arab league is tantamount to an united states invasion of Libya?

4. is it not evidence of your simplistic way of thinking to assume that everyone inhabiting the rebel occupied cities are combatants?

if you want to be taken serious as political commentators then stop watchin those movies you love so much and start watching the news.

birdman:

You have no proof of the bolded part. Funny how within days of a peaceful protest, a well armed insurgency suddenly surfaces. Armed enough to beat back an army.
This is beside the point reallyThe no-fly zone is an euphemism. It draws out the insurgency and has likely balkanized Libya for good. If bombs are raining on your head, its safe to say you are being invaded regardles of what they tel you.
Is it not simplistic as well to assume the "8000" killed were civilians?
on the flip side, it might help to actually analyse what you hear on the news, instead of swallowing it without thinking.

1. the proof for that point was all over the news when it happened. the rebels broke into the armoury and took the weapons there which led to pro gaddafi efforts to bomb the armoury. if yu have also been following the news you would have known that the protesters are not well armed neither are they well trained. they were only able to make grounds because the libyan military underestimated them however when the then Libyan military regrouped the rebels were pushed back all the way to benghazi from tripoli and would have been exterminated if not for allied intervention.

gaddafi "developed beyond its peers"

those clamouring that america is looking for oil are probably not even aware that obama haas said there will be zero ground forces involved and that the U.S is trying to pull back from its position of leadership but no other nation or organization wants to tke the lead.


but what exactly is your point?

eghost247:

8000 no that's exageration!!!^^^^

You're exaggeration.

Kgdavid:

1. the proof for that point was all over the news when it happened. the rebels broke into the armoury and took the weapons there which led to pro gaddafi efforts to bomb the armoury. if yu have also been following the news you would have known that the protesters are not well armed neither are they well trained. they were only able to make grounds because the libyan military underestimated them however when the then Libyan military regrouped the rebels were pushed back all the way to benghazi from tripoli and would have been exterminated if not for allied intervention.

2. its not beside the point since america has on this thread been accused of invading that country that gaddafi "developed beyond its peers". the question here is if all was fine in libya and americans are only here for profit then how did they manage to stir up such a massive uprising? it shows how little information people have about this conflict. are you aware thta initial efforts by the brittish to aid the rebels were refused?

3.no fly Zone is an euphimism for what exactly? an invasion? do you know what it takes to carry out a full scale invasion? the allied forces are taking out specific military targets to neutralize pro ghaddafi's unfair advantage. there are no ground forces involved, how exactly cn you reasonably call that an invasion? time and time agiain it has been clarified that gaddafi is not a target of the bombings and that he is not partof their mandate. it is not an invasion!

4. of course not all the killed were non combatants but the issue here is, as long as some of the killed were civillians with an extremely high tendency for more civilians to be kiled, international intervention was necessary. those clamouring that america is looking for oil are probably not even aware that obama haas said there will be zero ground forces involved and that the U.S is trying to pull back from its position of leadership but no other nation or organization wants to tke the lead.

but what exactly is your point?

birdman:

8000 civilians in a month! If you believe this is possible, barring a mass extermination plan like gassing or mass graves, you need to have your head examined.

your entire point is based on speculation that the figure of 8000 quoted is a lie and further speculation that since that must be a lie then they must be lying about other stuff. pure speculation based on which you make accusations which under the circumstances could amount to slander!