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Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by playmode(m): 11:22am On Aug 24, 2011
I have been studying Libya since this uprising started and i can't shake off the feeling that Libyans may have been ungrateful to Gaddafi. Libya was country that for the past 41 years prospered and was never in debt. However in the last 6 months Libya has become a debtor not to mention the number of infrastructure destroyed by NATO bombs. If care is not take the new Government of Libya will have to borrow from the west to repair their infrastructure.

If you look at some of the good things Gaddafi as done as indicated below you will agree with me that Nigerians would have appreciated a leader like this. Don't get me wrong, Gaddafi has got his faults but he was a leader that provided the basics for his people.

Here are the GOOD and BAD of Gaddafi's rule.

The GOOD


1. The government of Muammar brought the Libyan government from poverty and debt, to prosperity and debt-free status in 41 years

2. Education from grade school through to college is free in Libya.

3. Healthcare is free and Libyan pharmacies and hospitals are comparable to high-quality European facilities.

4. Libya ranks No. 53 on the United Nations Index of Human Development.

5. Libya has the highest standard of living in Africa (even better than South Africa,Mauritius and Seychelles).

6. Libya gives free land and seeds to anyone who wants to farm that land.

7. There is virtually no homelessness in Libya as everyone is given a home.

8. Women in Libya have equal rights, not only as a philosophy, but in practice.

9. Under Gaddafi’s oil-revenue-sharing program, each Libyan gets $500 (Dollars) deposited into his or her bank account each month.

10. On marriage, each couple is gifted $60,000 to do with as they please

I could list a few more but my point is that here in Nigeria we are yet to really enjoy any if not all of the the above.

The bad:

Lack of democracy, opposition movements have always been dealt with harshly

The state was virtually family owned

Military involvement and meddling in other North African countries as well as support for despots like Charles Taylor.

My opinion is that the whole debacle over the West meddling in Libya has nothing to do with oil but more to do with control in the middle east as well as causing chaos in those countries that always had major issues with Israel.

Read between the lines people. I do not condone dictators don't get me wrong but it appears the West chooses which dictators to support ( Dubai has no democracy what so ever, they do not have elections), depending on who is willing to bend over.

Please let us read your views on this matter.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by marcus1234: 11:23am On Aug 24, 2011
wow 60,000 $ after marriage?? whatt the, undecided
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by playmode(m): 11:28am On Aug 24, 2011
marcus1234:

wow 60,000 $ after marriage?? whatt the,

I was also shocked when i found out.Apparently his leadership techniques are detailed in his book which can be found here : http://www.greencharter.com/files/gb.htm .Apart from his ruthless side ,he was a great leader.Imagine how he would have used our Oil money in Nigeria to make people's lives better if he was our president ?
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by playmode(m): 11:33am On Aug 24, 2011
Here is an extract from an article about Hugo chavez's response to the ongoing crisis in Libya  :

"Now president Obama said he will collaborate economically with the ‘new government’, which of course we do not recognize,” Chavez said. Economic collaboration means stealing Libya’s abundant wealth that had been shared around Africa without any debt nor borrowing from banks, giving Libya the highest standard of living in Africa.

Libyan citizens enjoyed perks which are the dream of those in the west: free unlimited health and dental care, free unlimited funding for education anywhere in the world, rent-free house, $60,000 to couples upon getting married. This was carried out in line with the “Third Universal Theory” as explained in The Green Book which Colonel Muammar Qaddafi authored after leaving government in 1979.

According to this formula, all natural resources belong to everyone, so the oil and other assets of Libya, revenue is totalled each year, and then after expenditure on all required free education, health, married couples start-up boost, free electricity supply to each home, the remaining money is then divided by the entire population and deposited into their personal bank accounts — currently around $500 free money each month, whilst they also may additionally earn from any work they do without this being affected.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by belabela: 12:00pm On Aug 24, 2011
Time will tell. But I believe they just lost their freedom.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by cap28: 1:01pm On Aug 24, 2011
^^^

You got that right.  Libya is going to end up just like nigeria where you have a useless puppet carrying out the dictates of america and europe - the upsetting thing about this whole thing is that 90% of the population of libya do not want this criminal gang.

Before this current attack on Tripoli NATO threatened to burn the entire city if Gadaffi refused to relinquish power, they are currently using helicopters which are flying low to strafe ANYONE who tries to fight to repel the rebels from Tripoli, this was how the rebels were able to gain access into Gadaffi's compound, looting, rap.e and murder is going on as we speak while the western media totally ignores it and reports LIES, LIES, LIES. As you know these lies have already been exposed when Saif al islam who is supposed to have been arrested made a reappearance.

whyis the world allowing this atrocity to happen.

read this:

NATO is using AMERICAN made Apache helicopters to kill innocent civilians who are celebrating the rout of the rebel gangs from their city, the crimes are multiple. First by US law no military weapons of any kind can be used by anyone in aggressive acts, so here is US hardware killing unarmed innocent civilians. Second, NATO was NEVER authorized to fire upon unarmed civilians. Third, the UN was never authorized to fire upon unarmed innocent civilians, so violation of both the UN and NATO charters have occurred. Also, when massive numbers of civilian deaths are involved then violation of International laws have been committed but worse than that is the violation of human rights that have occurred.

We have asked these people what they would do if Ghadafi was killed? They state that any chance there might have been in the past for reconciliation with these rebels has completely disappeared.  At one time it may have been NATO against Ghadafi but now it is NATO against the civilians. [b][/b]All the Libyans we meet tell us that they are now fighting for their country and their culture. [/b]When NATO blows up a power plant, it does not hurt Ghadafi, it hurts the people, when NATO blockades fuel and food and medicine, it does not hurt Ghadafi, it hurts the people, when NATO bombs the civilian neighbor hoods, it does not hurt Ghadafi, it hurts the people, and the list goes on.
http://www.rense.com/general94/natosl.htm
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by horny4u(f): 4:50pm On Aug 24, 2011
If the wall ( Libya) has no opening the lizard (Nato) cannot get in,

A great leader understands the dynamics of continuation , Libya is not a family ,, it is a nation and Ghaddaffi should have used the democratic method of leadership so there was a free and fair election.


People must vote for their leaders, no point going to sit on the top of a tree where you can see the mountain top only to start feeling like you are on the mountain becos once the tree falls you are back to square one and will have to climb the mountain to see its top.

At least Nigeria is sorting itself out daily, and climbing our mountain small by small, our elections are getting better every time and we are not being run by a single family.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by cinzo: 4:53pm On Aug 24, 2011
This is what I have been shouting from the rooftops since! Give me electricity,good roads,good health care system and you can loot all the treasury for all I care.

But these are not even in place!

Libyans will wake up soon and realize they have shot themselves in the foot.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by macroworld: 4:55pm On Aug 24, 2011
All your arguments are well founded and balanced. My only concern is why are the Citizens who have benefited from such State Support not supporting the government at this time. I am personally not sure what is happening here, because if Nigerians have such a leader. government and system that uses integral proportion of the revenue from its natural resources to support its People Like the Libyan example highlighted above. I am 100% certain that Nigerians will rally round such a leader, no matter what the propaganda or externalities are.  I am aware there will be argument about length of leadership, Leadership style ( harsh) and so on.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by islamrules(m): 4:55pm On Aug 24, 2011
If the wall ( Libya) has no opening the lizard (Nato) cannot get in,

A great leader understands the dynamics of continuation , Libya is not a family ,, it is a nation and Ghaddaffi should have used the democratic method of leadership so there was a free and fair election.


People must vote for their leaders, no point going to sit on the top of a tree where you can see the mountain top only to start feeling like you are on the mountain becos once the tree falls you are back to square one and will have to climb the mountain to see its top.

At least Nigeria is sorting itself out daily, and climbing our mountain small by small, our elections are getting better every time and we are not being run by a single family.

I vote for you
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by cinzo: 4:56pm On Aug 24, 2011
horny4u:

If the wall ( Libya) has no opening  the lizard (Nato) cannot get in,

A great leader understands the dynamics of continuation , Libya is not a family ,, it is a nation and Ghaddaffi should have used the democratic method of leadership so there was a free and fair election.


People must vote for their leaders, no point going to sit on the top of a tree where you can see the mountain top only to start feeling like you are on the mountain becos once the tree falls you are back to square one and will have to climb the mountain to see its top.

At least Nigeria is sorting itself out daily, and climbing our mountain small by small, our elections are getting better every time and we are not being run by a single family.



It's not about elections! It's about getting the dividends of democracy. What have we gained in all the years of democracy?
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by hajifaty: 4:56pm On Aug 24, 2011
playmode:

I have been studying Libya since this uprising started and i can't shake off the feeling that Libyans may have been ungrateful to Gaddafi.  Libya was country that for the past 41 years prospered and was never in debt.  However in the last 6 months Libya has become a debtor not to mention the number of infrastructure destroyed by NATO bombs.  If care is not take the new Government of Libya will have to borrow from the west to repair their infrastructure.

If you look at some of the good things Gaddafi as done as indicated below you will agree with me that Nigerians would have appreciated a leader like this.  Don't get me wrong, Gaddafi has got his faults but he was a leader that provided the basics for his people.

Here are the GOOD and BAD of Gaddafi's rule.

The GOOD

Where are the fools comparing Gaddafi with the fools that  are ruling nigeria. Libya pple will suffer till the last day. They have lost their financial freedom. I hope the criminals that called themselve NTC will be topple soon by the bastard jihadist. This is just the beginning. Its a long film no one can predict the END

1. The government of Muammar brought the Libyan government from poverty and debt, to prosperity and debt-free status in 41 years

2. Education from grade school through to college is free in Libya.

3. Healthcare is free and Libyan pharmacies and hospitals are comparable to high-quality European facilities.

4. Libya ranks No. 53 on the United Nations Index of Human Development.

5. Libya has the highest standard of living in Africa (even better than South Africa,Mauritius and Seychelles).

6. Libya gives free land and seeds to anyone who wants to farm that land.

7. There is virtually no homelessness in Libya as everyone is given a home.

8. Women in Libya have equal rights, not only as a philosophy, but in practice.

9. Under Gaddafi’s oil-revenue-sharing program, each Libyan gets $500 (Dollars) deposited into his or her bank account each month.

10. On marriage, each couple is gifted $60,000 to do with as they please

I could list a few more but my point is that here in Nigeria we are yet to really enjoy any if not all of the the above.

The bad:

Lack of democracy, opposition movements have always been dealt with harshly

The state was virtually family owned

Military involvement and meddling in other North African countries as well as support for despots like Charles Taylor.

My opinion is that the whole debacle over the West meddling in Libya has nothing to do with oil but more to do with control in the middle east as well as causing chaos in those countries that always had major issues with Israel.

Read between the lines people. I do not condone dictators don't get me wrong but it appears the West chooses which dictators to support ( Dubai has no democracy what so ever, they do not have elections), depending on who is willing to bend over.

Please let us read your views on this matter.

Where are the fools that are comparing Gaddafi with the foolish nigeria leaders. The libya pple have lost their country,wealth and oil to small group of criminals and their western masters.The jihadist will take over soon and sharia law will be the national constitution according to the NTC statements in DOHA. Its a long film and no one can predict the END
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by cinzo: 4:59pm On Aug 24, 2011
macroworld:

All your arguments are well founded and balanced. My only concern is why are the Citizens who have benefited from such State Support not supporting the government at this time. I am personally not sure what is happening here, because if Nigerians have such a leader. government and system that uses integral proportion of the revenue from its natural resources to support its People Like the Libyan example highlighted above. I am 100% certain that Nigerians will rally round such a leader, no matter what the propaganda or externalities are.  I am aware there will be argument about length of leadership, Leadership style ( harsh) and so on.



Guy the war was not between Ghadaffi and the rebels! The war was between Ghaddaffi and NATO! Do you think if left to the rebels alone they would have been able to oust Ghaddaffi?

Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by olapluto(m): 5:00pm On Aug 24, 2011
'Alakisa to n jo loru, ope oya, ile a mo lola'. The man in rags who dances in the middle of the night should realise that it will soon be dawn! Libyans will get to a point they will realize how much they have sent their country back in development indices. You invite NATO to help you quash a leader in your country? NATO invests millions in bombs and airforce, and you really expect that they wont take back what they invested in 100 folds? Libya will be a lesson for all in how to remove a leader. I smiled yesterday when I saw a 'Libyan' destroying the statue of the crushed American fighter jet. I wonder what he was really crushing! Ghadaffi or Libyan victory?
I wish them all the best. Now Libyans can start entering UK from the back of a lorry through Calais. They can now start to apply to seek asylum. Exactly what NATO calls democracy. And there is NO WAY BACK for Libya now. They have joined the league of nations under American control. Nigeria has always been like that. Aso Rock is the real American embassy.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by islamrules(m): 5:05pm On Aug 24, 2011
Where are the fools that are comparing Gaddafi with the foolish nigeria leaders. The libya pple have lost their country,wealth and oil to small group of criminals and their western masters.The jihadist will take over soon and sharia law will be the national constitution according to the NTC statements in DOHA. Its a long film and no one can predict the END

Sharia law will be implemented ? Whaooo! that is a great achievement. The dream of every muslims.

Even famine ransacked somalia is using it. Libya too will soon wallow in poverty, they are ungrateful to Gaddafi but Iraq will be better because there wont be stability.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by omoekoni(m): 5:12pm On Aug 24, 2011
Libya's problems have just started. There are over 150 different tribes in Libya, and now, they all have guns. there is no way one tribe will drop his weapon for another tribe. Gaddafi was able to hold the country together for 40+ years. Now, an all out civil war is imminent. This is like a replay of what happened in the IRAN revolution.

Howcome NATO is not in Syria, what's happening in Syria right now is worse than what started NATO's intervention in Libya. Hopefully, someday the west will realise that they can't always meddle in other people's country. I can't believe they supported this barbaric rebels. I'm not saying Gaddafi is all that but, this rebels are worse. I expected more from Russia and China, they shouldn't have allowed this to happen, no one else had the power to confront NATO. I feel so sorry for Libya, the worst has just begun. They don't like to see peace in Africa, they know peace in Africa means that we will prosper more than them. Long live Africa!!!
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by hajifaty: 5:17pm On Aug 24, 2011
I am weeping for the libya pple. See what is happening in iraq. decades to come they can't settle all these problems they have brought upon themselves.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by MIrhABi: 5:19pm On Aug 24, 2011
@ oga playmode

forget about the 60k dollars and the 500 dollars he gives them for whatever reason,these people are fighting for freedom.Freedom to do whatever in their home country.One of his sons tried hijacking his government,in the end he apologized and was given an appointment by gadaffi.Can an ordinary Libyan try that?,for a country with a small population and abundant oil can it be too much if he deposits 2,000 dollars every month?.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by seunlayi(m): 5:24pm On Aug 24, 2011
MIrhABi:

@ oga playmode

forget about the 60k dollars and the 500 dollars he gives them for whatever reason,these people are fighting for freedom.Freedom to do whatever in their home country.One of his sons tried hijacking his government,in the end he apologized and was given an appointment by gadaffi.Can an ordinary Libyan try that?,for a country with a small population and abundant oil can it be too much if he deposits 2,000 dollars every month?.
You are right, Libyans believed that they deserved more from their government than what they are presently receiving especially, the area of freedom. THEY NO LONGER WILLING TO SELL THEIR FREEDOM FOR 500 DOLLARS or 60K WHATEVER.
Let us have it in mind that they are not like we Nigerians that are ready to sell our family at any amount.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by Fire007: 5:25pm On Aug 24, 2011
If this is true, then Nigeria needs a Gaddafi, as non of our Rulers(they are not Leaders) have done half.

Goodluck is just clueless !!!
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by shadrach77: 5:27pm On Aug 24, 2011
@op - i feel you exagerrated some of ghadafi's achievements shocked shocked
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by buzugee(m): 5:28pm On Aug 24, 2011
cant believe yall are supporting an arab nation. wtfff all you ungrateful nigerians  angry how many of you are out in the libyan embassy queuing for libyan visa ? all you crazies are out in the american and british embassies all day and night clamouring for visas to come to america and europe. well why do you think america and europe, that you so desperately want to go to, are the way they are ? the machinery that keeps those economies the way they are is FUEL. that economy is driven with oil. if oil supply stops, those economies will grind to a halt. i know so many of you are writing from your places of comfort in europe and america. dont you see the hypocrisy of this ? you enjoy the spoils of the west but you are against what produces these spoils ?. believe it or not ghaddafi is getting raided because he declared he wanted to start trading with china and russia, nothing more nothing less. if there is any revelation in this whole debacle, it is that

1, china and russia are poosies for not backing ghaddafi
2, contrary to belief, the money derived from oil is not why all these wars are fought. there is not that much money derived from oil. so this is not a monetary thing. the wars are fought for the control of oil because it is the oil that runs the economies of the west. without the oil they are doomed. they are not starting wars to steal the tashere money your oil makes, they are starting wars to have ACCESS to the oil. so either way, your country is not losing much.
3, and this is a personal gripe i have with arabs. arabs are single handedly responsible for destroying all black civilizations even before the europeans came. it was the systematic destruction of black civilizations for thousands of years by the arabs that left us exposed and ill equipped to defend ourselves agaiinst the euros. the arabs broke us down for over a 1000 years and the euros just swooped in and took the dregs. what you didnt know libya, egypt, morocco, algeria etc etc were part of black africa till the arabs occupied it after killing us all and beating us down further south ? you aint knowing ? thats our land. personally i say fork em all. i got no allegiance to the arabs or the euros. but at least i can benefit from the euros  grin grin
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by dustydee: 5:29pm On Aug 24, 2011
omoekoni:

Libya's problems have just started. There are over 150 different tribes in Libya, and now, they all have guns. there is no way one tribe will drop his weapon for another tribe. Gaddafi was able to hold the country together for 40+ years. Now, an all out civil war is imminent. This is like a replay of what happened in the IRAN revolution.

Howcome NATO is not in Syria, what's happening in Syria right now is worse than what started NATO's intervention in Libya. Hopefully, someday the west will realise that they can't always meddle in other people's country. I can't believe they supported this barbaric rebels. I'm not saying Gaddafi is all that but, this rebels are worse. I expected more from Russia and China, they shouldn't have allowed this to happen, no one else had the power to confront NATO. I feel so sorry for Libya, the worst has just begun. They don't like to see peace in Africa, they know peace in Africa means that we will prosper more than them. Long live Africa!!!


I feel you and for a govt like ours to be siding the rebels means thay are asking us to ovethrow them cos they have done worse than Gaddafi
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by enomakos(m): 5:30pm On Aug 24, 2011
Bleep gaddafi they want freedom
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by Guyman02: 5:31pm On Aug 24, 2011
Iraqis thought Sadam was their problem, but now they wish for the Sadam years with regular suicide bombings and American forces committing atrocities. The war has just started among the different tribes and  the Libyans will soon realise what hit them.

Let me quote Venezuela President Hugo Chavez:

"Now president Obama said he will collaborate economically with the 'new government', which of course we do not recognize," Chavez said. Economic collaboration means stealing Libya's abundant wealth that had been shared around Africa without any debt nor borrowing from banks, giving Libya the highest standard of living in Africa.


Libyan citizens enjoyed perks which are the dream of those in the west: free unlimited health and dental care, free unlimited funding for education anywhere in the world, rent-free house, $60,000 to couples upon getting married. This was carried out in line with the "Third Universal Theory" as explained in The Green Book which Colonel Muammar Qaddafi authored after leaving government in 1979.

According to this formula, all natural resources belong to everyone, so the oil and other assets of Libya, revenue is totalled each year, and then after expenditure on all required free education, health, married couples start-up boost, free electricity supply to each home, the remaining money is then divided by the entire population and deposited into their personal bank accounts -- currently around $500 free money each month, whilst they also may additionally earn from any work they do without this being affected.
After Libya's assets abroad at the outset of the war on Libya earlier this year, including $32 billions ear-marked for the creation of an African Monetary Fund, African Central Bank, and African Investment Bank, which would have spelt the end of World Bank and International Monetary Fund control of the African continent, this September, Venezuela has set the way forward for other nations to withdraw funds from western banks as well as the gold reserves.



I weep for the Libyan people. I cant even imagine our own retarde.d president GEJ congratulating and recognising the Alqueda rebels on behalf of America.
The US embassy is in Aso Rock afterall he told them how inexperienced he was to lead nigeria before the last elections. I have not encountered any Nigerian who has said that he/she voted GEJ because of his intelligence without Tribal and Religious sentiments or just wanting something new from a different part of Nigeria.

Some say Libyans want freedom, when they are allowed to go abroad at will; have you ever seen a Libyan searching for job abroad or in Nigeria.
Women have the most freedom than any muslim country, getting to the highest ranks in the military, freedom to drive a car, freedom to study any course and not wear hijab or niqab.
Women are so powerful under Gadafi but the rebels will give them sharia and confine them to the houses and force them to cover their faces and flog them on the streets and stone them to fight if caught Being Intimate with a man without being married .
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by buzugee(m): 5:52pm On Aug 24, 2011
see their is a WAR and their is a BATTLE. i would think you africans, as materialistic as you bunch are will be supporting the war instead of the battle. the war being 'the bigger picture'. i mean lets face it, you guys are obsesssed with mercedes, bmw, ipods, computers, designer clothes, pounds and dollars, wrist watches, designer shoes etc etc. how many of these things you love so much are made in libya ? ZILCH ZIP NADA ZERO. they are all made by europeans. the companies that make these things are fuelled by OIL. so i would think you materialistic bunch will be supporting the euros. i guess yall are a confused bunch.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by kokogee: 5:59pm On Aug 24, 2011
horny4u:

If the wall ( Libya) has no opening the lizard (Nato) cannot get in,

A great leader understands the dynamics of continuation , Libya is not a family ,, it is a nation and Ghaddaffi should have used the democratic method of leadership so there was a free and fair election.


People must vote for their leaders, no point going to sit on the top of a tree where you can see the mountain top only to start feeling like you are on the mountain becos once the tree falls you are back to square one and will have to climb the mountain to see its top.

At least Nigeria is sorting itself out daily, and climbing our mountain small by small, our elections are getting better every time and we are not being run by a single family.

I think for 51 years(49 yrs of military and 12 yrs of democracy), Nigeria is still 'climbing mountain small by small'. May be we'll climb by the time we'r 500yrs old.

large numbers of Libyans like this guy; what is the problem with America? Libya is now indebted? If not that America is playing politics with ppl's welfare, why have they not talk to the king of Saudi Arabia to adopt democracy as well; they wouldn't do that bcs they benefit from the king's loyalty.

God would soon fall America for all this war they'r causing around the oil-rich arabian countries for so many lives have been lost, economies have been destroyed just for their own(American) selfish motives
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by obowunmi(m): 6:06pm On Aug 24, 2011
@ Topic.

Yes they have. Too many tribes and ethnicities, who will take control ? Sad day! undecided undecided undecided undecided
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by chamber2(m): 6:07pm On Aug 24, 2011
Even though i do not support western invasion of Libya, i think Gaddaffi deserves what he is currently facing. Spending 41 years in power and running the government as family enterprise is tantamount to criminality and despotism. The days of absolutism is gradually withering and smart leaders are turning to democratic principles. people want more than food and money. They want freedom. Freedom to participate in the affairs of their country. Freedom to unlimited and unhindered realisation of their aspirations, both in politics and economy. Freedom to live their private life without unnecessary interference by the government and its cohorts.

Lets face it. Do you think the  Libyan people are fools and don't know what is good for them? If over 90% of Libyans do not support current events do you think they wouldn't have fought back? The truth is, the people are already frustrated with Gaddaffi and his despotic tendencies. They want change and current events coincided with their life-long yawning. I do believe that every political move has an economic underlying. But Gaddaffi paved ways for that. His regime became so unpopular and yet he did nothing to regain his image. Even his own son had earlier suggested that an election be conducted so as to give people the chance to decide their future.

As a person, i want more than mere $500 or 60,000. I want freedom. I want to live my life and participate unhindered in the political process. Yes, Nigeria may not have made much progress economically when compared with Libya, but Nigerians enjoy relative freedom and opportunity to determine, and influence the course of events in their country. The Asian oligarchies and feudal lords should realise that this is 21th century.
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by Rgp92: 6:10pm On Aug 24, 2011
Just wait and see, Libya will be another Sudan: Black vs Arab
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by Nobody: 6:24pm On Aug 24, 2011
i pity Libyans, in there graves they will regret ever picking arms and forcing gadaffi out of power, Gadaffi was the only African president dat resisted western puppeting, he proposed the African Union and a united Africa all he gat now is a divided Libya, all i giv libya is one year and Iraq will be better than them                           Koffi annan said that the moment the west will stop poking it's nose into UN affairs, the world will becom a better place, BLACK GLORY
Re: Have Libyans Made A Huge Mistake By Removing Gaddafi? by buzugee(m): 6:26pm On Aug 24, 2011
chamber2:

Even though i do not support western invasion of Libya, i think Gaddaffi deserves what he is currently facing. Spending 41 years in power and running the government as family enterprise is tantamount to criminality and despotism. The days of absolutism is gradually withering and smart leaders are turning to democratic principles. people want more than food and money. They want freedom. Freedom to participate in the affairs of their country. Freedom to unlimited and unhindered realisation of their aspirations, both in politics and economy. Freedom to live their private life without unnecessary interference by the government and its cohorts.

Lets face it. Do you think the  Libyan people are fools and don't know what is good for them? If over 90% of Libyans do not support current events do you think they wouldn't have fought back? The truth is, the people are already frustrated with Gaddaffi and his despotic tendencies. They want change and current events coincided with their life-long yawning. I do believe that every political move has an economic underlying. But Gaddaffi paved ways for that. His regime became so unpopular and yet he did nothing to regain his image. Even his own son had earlier suggested that an election be conducted so as to give people the chance to decide their future.

As a person, i want more than mere $500 or 60,000. I want freedom. I want to live my life and participate unhindered in the political process. Yes, Nigeria may not have made much progress economically when compared with Libya, but Nigerians enjoy relative freedom and opportunity to determine, and influence the course of events in their country. The Asian oligarchies and feudal lords should realise that this is 21th century.
this is absolute bollocks. you have drank the western kool-aid and you are now drunk. first of all FREEDOM IS MONEY. without money you are in chains, but i digress, western democracy is nothing but a concocted piece of crap. in other for a country to prosper there has to be CONTINUITY. america is crumbling because of this silly 4 year democracy. every 4 years one  comes in and undoes all the good done in the previous 4 years. its a totally insane and inane concept. clinton comes in and there is surplus and then bush comes in and cuts taxes for all his rich cronies and speeds up globalization and the outsourcing of american jobs and then indulges in wars that bankrupts the nation. MY POINT BEING, stop rehashing american rhetoric. democracy is insane. continuity is needed for ideas to be immersed and enmeshed and to take effect. personally i think every leader should be given at least 10 years in power. the libyan people did not do this for FREEDOM. they are already free. they have money and can travel where they like. the people who done this are just pawns used by the west but they themselves are in this because they want to take away the freedom of libya. they want to enact draconian islamic laws. so lets kill all the FREEDOM rhetoric. MONEY IS FREEDOM. with money you have CHOICES. CHOICE is FREEDOM. GHADAFFI offered his people more FREEDOM than any leader in todays world. he offered them money. thats why you have a govt. the only people who will be concerned about the longevity of a president are only power drunk people who want power too. so long as a president does what he should do, in my opinion, he should be in power for as long as he dies.

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