*IF JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF, HOW COME HE RECEIVES HONOR AND GLORY; IT MEANS ANOTHER GAVE HIM THESE?*

A friend who denies the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the truth that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Almighty God (1 Timothy 3:16) buttressed his point with the verse below:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to *receive* glory and honour and power
Revelation 4:11 KJV

According to him, once Jesus is a recepient of Glory, honour and power, it means he (Jesus Christ) is not the Almighty God; there is a superior God called *Jehovah* who gives Jesus Christ such honour, glory and power. Then I laughed! I quickly referred him to the *full text* in Revelations 4:11:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: *for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.*
Revelation 4:11 KJV

This Jesus, according to that same scripture created all things for *His own pleasure*. Jesus Christ is the creator, in fact our creator.

The name some pronounce as *Jehovah* is what theologians call the Tetragrammaton. This Tetragrammaton *(YHWH)* was the name God revealed to Moses in the Exodus encounter. Now, in Hebrew writing at least at the time, only consonants sounds are used. So, who *inserted* the vowels E O A into the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) to derive JEHOWAH or YAHWEH? The early church (Peter, James, Paul etc) used the name *Jesus*; not YHWH. In Matthew 28:19, the Lord Jesus directed the disciples to BAPTISE people in *the name* (not names) of the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY spirit. Note that, the Lord Jesus emphasized *one name* not names; what name was that then?

Scan the Acts of the Apostles and verify which *name* the church baptised converts into. They did all works including baptism *in the name of Jesus* not Yehowa.

The Holy Spirit instructed us to do *all things* in *The Name of Jesus* (Colossians 3:17). God is not 3; God is one, manifested as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and His name is Jesus Christ!

At the mention of the name *Jesus*, every knee bows and every tongue confesses (Philippians 2:10)

To be continued

Preciousgirl:

*IF JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF, HOW COME HE RECEIVES HONOR AND GLORY; IT MEANS ANOTHER GAVE HIM THESE?*

A friend who denies the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the truth that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Almighty God (1 Timothy 3:16) buttressed his point with the verse below:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to *receive* glory and honour and power
Revelation 4:11 KJV

According to him, once Jesus is a recepient of Glory, honour and power, it means he (Jesus Christ) is not the Almighty God; there is a superior God called *Jehovah* who gives Jesus Christ such honour, glory and power. Then I laughed! I quickly referred him to the *full text* in Revelations 4:11:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: *for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.*
Revelation 4:11 KJV

This Jesus, according to that same scripture created all things for *His own pleasure*. Jesus Christ is the creator, in fact our creator.

The name some pronounce as *Jehovah* is what theologians call the Tetragrammaton. This Tetragrammaton *(YHWH)* was the name God revealed to Moses in the Exodus encounter. Now, in Hebrew writing at least at the time, only consonants sounds are used. So, who *inserted* the vowels E O A into the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) to derive JEHOWAH or YAHWEH? The early church (Peter, James, Paul etc) used the name *Jesus*; not YHWH. In Matthew 28:19, the Lord Jesus directed the disciples to BAPTISE people in *the name* (not names) of the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY spirit. Note that, the Lord Jesus emphasized *one name* not names; what name was that then?

Scan the Acts of the Apostles and verify which *name* the church baptised converts into. They did all works including baptism *in the name of Jesus* not Yehowa.

The Holy Spirit instructed us to do *all things* in *The Name of Jesus* (Colossians 3:17). God is not 3; God is one, manifested as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and His name is Jesus Christ!

At the mention of the name *Jesus*, every knee bows and every tongue confesses (Philippians 2:10)

To be continued

I think one should not look at Rev 4:11a in isolation

Revelation 4:9-11
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:

11 “You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”

1. The 24 Elders were the ones speaking
2. They were addressing
a. The One who sat on the throne
b. The One who Lives Forever
c. The one who Created ALL things by His own CHOICE (Will)

The WHO that was being addressed could be no one else other than GOD Himself.


The phrase "To receive glory and honor and power;" can only then be a figure of speech like "Bless the Lord o my Soul!"
Can anyone really bless the Lord?

The phrase simply means that GOD had EARNED PREEMINENCE by what He Had done by Creating ALL things by His will

shadeyinka:

I think one should not look at Rev 4:11a in isolation

Revelation 4:9-11
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:

11 “You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”

1. The 24 Elders were the ones speaking
2. They were addressing
a. The One who sat on the throne
b. The One who Lives Forever
c. The one who Created ALL things by His own CHOICE (Will)

The WHO that was being addressed could be no one else other than GOD Himself.

The phrase "To receive glory and honor and power;" can only then be a figure of speech like "Bless the Lord o my Soul!"
Can anyone really bless the Lord?

The phrase simply means that GOD had EARNED PREEMINENCE by what He Had done by Creating ALL things by His will

You Left Out, Revelation 5 where that statement in chapter 4 is Repeated and this Time Verse 12

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

1:5 & 6

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
or Jude

to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ,

shadeyinka:

I think one should not look at Rev 4:11a in isolation

Revelation 4:9-11
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:

11 “You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”

1. The 24 Elders were the ones speaking
2. They were addressing
a. The One who sat on the throne
b. The One who Lives Forever
c. The one who Created ALL things by His own CHOICE (Will)

The WHO that was being addressed could be no one else other than GOD Himself.

The phrase "To receive glory and honor and power;" can only then be a figure of speech like "Bless the Lord o my Soul!"
Can anyone really bless the Lord?

The phrase simply means that GOD had EARNED PREEMINENCE by what He Had done by Creating ALL things by His will

You Left Out, Revelation 5 where that statement in chapter 4 is Repeated and this Time Verse 12, is included.

"Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

1:5 & 6

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;

or Jude
"to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ,"

Preciousgirl:

*IF JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF, HOW COME HE RECEIVES HONOR AND GLORY; IT MEANS ANOTHER GAVE HIM THESE?*

(*1)
A friend who denies the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the truth that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Almighty God (1 Timothy 3:16) buttressed his point with the verse below:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to *receive* glory and honour and power
Revelation 4:11 KJV

According to him, once Jesus is a recepient of Glory, honour and power, it means he (Jesus Christ) is not the Almighty God; there is a superior God called *Jehovah* who gives Jesus Christ such honour, glory and power.

(*2)
Then I laughed! I quickly referred him to the *full text* in Revelations 4:11:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: *for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.*
Revelation 4:11 KJV

This Jesus, according to that same scripture created all things for *His own pleasure*. Jesus Christ is the creator, in fact our creator.



To be continued

*1)

The oldest Greek manuscripts, @ 1 Timothy 3:16, " the word God is NOT there. (See screenshot)
Bible Scholars know that FRAUD DECEIVING billions of 3 pagan spirits devotees.


" God" is a FRAUD inserted into the 16th century Received Text or, "Textus Receptus" Bibles, such as Geneva Bible, & KJV.
Check Biblehub and confirm.
"He who was manifest in the flesh",1 Timothy 3:16 Correct & Authentic.


@2)
Matthew 11:25
" Jesus answered: I publicly Praise you Father, the Lord of heaven and earth... "
Ephesians 1:3 " I Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 20:17, 15 :15 , Acts 9:20, did Jesus teach Paul to praise his God and Father?
Yes !!

The Lord of Revelation 4:11 is Jehovah, the Lord of Heaven and earth who Created all things , including Jesus Christ, Romans11:35-36 confirm.
Why are you LYING against Jehovah,Job 38:4-7 & Hebrews 1:2?

Preciousgirl:


The name some pronounce as *Jehovah* is what theologians call the Tetragrammaton. This Tetragrammaton *(YHWH)* was the name God revealed to Moses in the Exodus encounter. Now, in Hebrew writing at least at the time, only consonants sounds are used. So, who *inserted* the vowels E O A into the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) to derive JEHOWAH or YAHWEH?

The early church (Peter, James, Paul etc) used the name *Jesus*; not YHWH

LIAR.
John 17:6,26 . John 15:15 whose name did Jesus Christ teach and make known to the disciples?
The name of God his Father.

Acts 15:14. John 17:,6,26, did the disciples know God's name ?
Yes !!!!

Preciousgirl:



Scan the Acts of the Apostles and verify which *name* the church baptised converts into. They did all works including baptism *in the name of Jesus* not Yehowa.

The Holy Spirit instructed us to do *all things* in *The Name of Jesus* (Colossians 3:17). God is not 3; God is one, manifested as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and His name is Jesus Christ!

At the mention of the name *Jesus*, every knee bows and every tongue confesses (Philippians 2:10)

John 12:49-50, who gave the command for baptism in the name of the Son?

Matthew 28:18, John 17:2, who gave Jesus authority and power he used ?

Why do you cherry pick Philippians 2:10 when you know that Philippians 2:9-11, says it is his Father & God who approved what His Son receives!
For the Father's glory.

Come to think of it, why would your Almighty Jesus dwelling in heaven have a Father , his God in the spiritual realm?
3 pagan spirits devotees DECEIVING themselves

Dtruthspeaker:


You Left Out, Revelation 5 where that statement in chapter 4 is Repeated and this Time Verse 12

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

1:5 & 6

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
or Jude

to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ,

In Revelation 1:5-6 Una Almighty God, who be his God and Father in spiritual realm?

Dtruthspeaker:


You Left Out, Revelation 5 where that statement in chapter 4 is Repeated and this Time Verse 12, is included.

"Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

1:5 & 6

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;

or Jude
"to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ,"

But does these change the narrative of the figure of speech?

Its like one bringing out ten scriptures which states emphatically the phrase "Bless the Lord" and then concluding that the Lord is Lacking in some attributes for which as humans we are to fill.

This above seems to be your argument.

There is no difference between
the FATHER (Who wills things to be)
the WORD (Who spoke everything into existence)
the SPIRIT (Who Forced out Something out of Nothing)

The book of revelation Described the personality of WORD as the Christ, the Lamb, the Lion, the Warrior


The answer ins encoded in this question.
Who created ALL things by his WILL and for His own Pleasure?

Their problem is detesting the inevitable which is orderliness, each of these misinformed churchgoers wants to form their own standard they don't care if it's binding on anyone, the aim is to choose what they will do so nobody watch their back whether they stick to any principle or not!
That's why they can't mention any organization under which they are serving as worshipers of a God, because that means there must be some forms of rules they need to keep and that is tantamount to restraint which they detest like Satan, Adam and Eve, but at the same time they want to be called followers of Christ whose ways of doing things was strictly under restraint to whatever his father wills. John 8:28
To them each person should develop his own standard and still be counted as a worshiper of the same God.
Being one of Jehovah's Witnesses makes you totally different from them because you want to know the standard that all worshipers of your own God must keep so as to relate with your brothers and sisters in faith. Matthew 12:46-49
As for them they don't want such, so don't think they've got anything worthwhile to say about Jesus because they feel Jesus should be the Almighty himself in that case Jesus will be the architect of his own life, can choose to do whatever he likes. That's the kind of God they want to worship, whereas Jesus' statement is clear enough that he doesn't have absolute freedom as they so much desire! Matthew 26:39

Jesus made it clear that all the creatures in the heavens are under the authority of his father and God, what other expression can be used to help these pagans realize that Jesus can't be the Almighty if he has a father who is our father and God who is our God? John 20:17

That's why i don't waste my precious times with them, if they want to learn JEHOVAH has made the arrangements.
©JEHOVAH is the God and Father of all, he is perfect and his ways are just.
©Jesus is God's first born son, he is perfect not on his own but always watching whatever his father does, so as a spirit being like his father he can't err easily. John 5:19
©The Apostles (humans) born by God's holy spirit, they are imperfect so even though they so much desire to do God's will they're still prone to error as imperfect human, yet Jesus want all his disciples to be under the supervision of this chosen few so that there will be orderliness, Jehovah's Witnesses follow the same pattern that's why there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the organization just as it was in the first century Christian congregation. 1Corinthians 1:10, 14:33,40

All these pagans don't want such arrangement rather each of them want to set his/her own standard that's why they will ever continue to scatter! Luke 11:23

So until they're able to form one GROUP and let the world know the STANDARD with which everyone can relate with them the same way God's people has always been known {Matthew 5:13-16; John 17:20-23} they are pagans claiming worshipers of a God of order!

Janosky:


In Revelation 1:5-6 Una Almighty God, who be his God and Father in spiritual realm?

He Is Not Inferior To God. He Has Dsame Attributes With God. His Mission On Earth To Save Mankind Made Him To Take D Form Of A Man.

He prayed to God for his disciples to become one just as himself and his father are one {John 17:20-23} so do you know any religious group on this planet that fits that description today?
I believe that is the only way you can prove to me that you truly know him otherwise you're another confused, misinformed religionist, present Jesus' group so we can be sure you know exactly what you're saying!

Truvel:

He Is Not Inferior To God. He Has Dsame Attributes With God. His Mission On Earth To Save Mankind Made Him To Take D Form Of A Man.

Waoh! Interesting! How do we know who has the holy spirit here?

shadeyinka:

But does these change the narrative of the figure of speech?

Its like one bringing out ten scriptures which states emphatically the phrase "Bless the Lord" and then concluding that the Lord is Lacking in some attributes for which as humans we are to fill.

This above seems to be your argument.

There is no difference between
the FATHER (Who wills things to be)
the WORD (Who spoke everything into existence)
the SPIRIT (Who Forced out Something out of Nothing)

The book of revelation Described the personality of WORD as the Christ, the Lamb, the Lion, the Warrior


The answer ins encoded in this question.
Who created ALL things by his WILL and for His own Pleasure?

3 spirits who created all things by their will.
Your deity is 3 spirits .

3 God, Triune spirits. .

Matthew 19:4, John 20:17, Genesis 5:1-2, Jesus Christ no know 3 deities.

Janosky:


3 spirits who created all things by their will.
Your deity is 3 spirits .

3 God, Triune spirits. .

Matthew 19:4, John 20:17, Genesis 5:1-2, Jesus Christ no know 3 deities.

God is Spirit!
John4:24
24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.”…


I dont have any other God except from Jehovah unlike some folks who have two Gods'
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

I still remember the scriptures say:
Exodus 20:2-3
2“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3You shall have no other gods before Me.

You can't sit on the fence Sir!

You're a member of ECWA Church, can you please tell this forum what your church teaches on this matter?

Jehovah's Witnesses have turned you against your church now you don't want to leave ECWA and you don't want to join JWs, you're really confused Sir!

shadeyinka:

God is Spirit!
John4:24
24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.”…


I dont have any other God except from Jehovah unlike some folks who have two Gods
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

I still remember the scriptures say:
Exodus 20:2-3
2“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3You shall have no other gods before Me.

MaxInDHouse:
You can't sit on the fence Sir!

You're a member of ECWA Church, can you please tell this forum what your church teaches on this matter?

Jehovah's Witnesses have turned you against your church now you don't want to leave ECWA and you don't want to join JWs, you're really confused Sir!

You still don't get it! ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria. There are countless churches where Father is worshiped in spirit and in truth.

Back to the issue at stake!
Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Why attempt changing the the narrative?

Preciousgirl:

*IF JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF, HOW COME HE RECEIVES HONOR AND GLORY; IT MEANS ANOTHER GAVE HIM THESE?*

A friend who denies the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the truth that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Almighty God (1 Timothy 3:16) buttressed his point with the verse below:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to *receive* glory and honour and power
Revelation 4:11 KJV

According to him, once Jesus is a recepient of Glory, honour and power, it means he (Jesus Christ) is not the Almighty God; there is a superior God called *Jehovah* who gives Jesus Christ such honour, glory and power. Then I laughed! I quickly referred him to the *full text* in Revelations 4:11:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: *for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.*
Revelation 4:11 KJV

This Jesus, according to that same scripture created all things for *His own pleasure*. Jesus Christ is the creator, in fact our creator.

The name some pronounce as *Jehovah* is what theologians call the Tetragrammaton. This Tetragrammaton *(YHWH)* was the name God revealed to Moses in the Exodus encounter. Now, in Hebrew writing at least at the time, only consonants sounds are used. So, who *inserted* the vowels E O A into the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) to derive JEHOWAH or YAHWEH? The early church (Peter, James, Paul etc) used the name *Jesus*; not YHWH. In Matthew 28:19, the Lord Jesus directed the disciples to BAPTISE people in *the name* (not names) of the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY spirit. Note that, the Lord Jesus emphasized *one name* not names; what name was that then?

Scan the Acts of the Apostles and verify which *name* the church baptised converts into. They did all works including baptism *in the name of Jesus* not Yehowa.

The Holy Spirit instructed us to do *all things* in *The Name of Jesus* (Colossians 3:17). God is not 3; God is one, manifested as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and His name is Jesus Christ!

At the mention of the name *Jesus*, every knee bows and every tongue confesses (Philippians 2:10)

To be continued

Jesus became a little lower than the Angels when he became a man.

A governor recieve honor from the president it does make him a less human than the president, it is just the position that makes the difference.
Jesus came to a lower position and was honored/exaulted to a higher one.

shadeyinka:

You still don't get it! ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria. There are countless churches where Father is worshiped in spirit and in truth.

Back to the issue at stake!
Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Why attempt changing the the narrative?

Bros says "ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria" ,
what about popular bible believing church leaders who called you & other pentecostals "Idolators"?

You have to fabricate that lie..
Hypocrite worshipping 3 spirit deities
John 20:17, according to Jesus, how many Gods?
Bros, Explain

John 17:3, did Jesus Christ reject your claim?

livingchrist:
Jesus became a little lower than the Angels when he became a man.

A governor recieve honor from the president it does make him a less human than the president, it is just the position that makes the difference.
Jesus came to a lower position and was honored/exaulted to a higher one.

Who sent him to a lower position?
Who exalted him to a higher position?

Janosky:


Who sent him to a lower position?
Who exalted him to a higher position?

He willingly took that a lesser position of a servant.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

God is the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. ONENESS OF GOD! Trinity is not the right word but oneness of God. It is written “for our Lord God is one.”


Question: what is the name of our living God? His name is Jesus Christ!

Instead of seeing the descrepancies therein, look at how these imbeciles are struggling over what the Romans doctored.

shadeyinka:

You still don't get it! ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria. There are countless churches where Father is worshiped in spirit and in truth.

Back to the issue at stake!
Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Why attempt changing the the narrative?

He is running away from this question. Dude is delusional

freshboi88:


He is running away from this question. Dude is delusional

Nairaland is your friend to see who made the charge first.

Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Janosky:

Bros says "ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria" ,
what about popular bible believing church leaders who called you & other pentecostals "Idolators"?

You have to fabricate that lie..
Hypocrite worshipping 3 spirit deities
John 20:17, according to Jesus, how many Gods?
Bros, Explain

John 17:3, did Jesus Christ reject your claim?

Janosky u liar like it father the devil.

I'm it worst nightmare

U said Moses served as God yesterday on the other thread. I asked u a question and u ran away with your tail in between ur legs.

So if Moses served as God, how many God's did we have when he was serving as God?

shadeyinka:

Nairaland is your friend to see who made the charge first.

Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

I'm no JW. I believe in the oneness of God The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit

Janosky:

Bros says "ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria" ,
what about popular bible believing church leaders who called you & other pentecostals "Idolators"?

You have to fabricate that lie..
Hypocrite worshipping 3 spirit deities
John 20:17, according to Jesus, how many Gods?
Bros, Explain

John 17:3, did Jesus Christ reject your claim?

If your church is one of those popular believing churches: I cant be bothered. Didn't the same source call Jesus a Winebibber and Glutton?
Didn't your people say that Jesus was using the power of Beelzebub the price of of the devils?

Simple question see how they are dodging it!
Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

[i][/i]

freshboi88:


I'm no JW. I believe in the oneness of God The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit

I also believe in the Oneness of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

shadeyinka:

If your church is one of those popular believing churches: I cant be bothered. Didn't the same source call Jesus a Winebibber and Glutton?
Didn't your people say that Jesus was using the power of Beelzebub the price of of the devils?

Simple question see how they are dodging it!
Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Mr Lienus , what are you hallucinating on?

NO! We have just one God his name is JEHOVAH not Jesus that's why we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
I've told you times without number that JEHOVAH made Moses God not over his own people so that they start worshiping Moses rather Moses becomes a God over Pharaoh and all the gods in Egypt! {Exodus 7:1} This means whatever Moses decides to do with all the forces of nature in the process of delivering God's people out of Egypt will be granted to Moses!
The same thing applies to Jesus, he became God over all the forces of darkness in Israel and whatever Jesus decides to do with all the forces of nature during his earthly assignment will be granted to him. But when it comes to the God that we must worship Jesus emphatically said to one of his followers "I am returning to my father who is also your father and to my God who is also your God" John 20:17

The God that Jesus
©Kneel down to! Luke 22:41
©Prayed to! Luke 22:44
©Cried to! Matthew 27:46
©Begged for help! Hebrew 5:7
Is JEHOVAH, he's our one and only God {Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29} that's why we (from Abel to Jesus and today) are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Hebrew 12:1 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12; Revelations 1:5

May you have PEACE!

shadeyinka:

You still don't get it! ECWA is not the only bible believing church in Nigeria. There are countless churches where Father is worshiped in spirit and in truth.

Back to the issue at stake!
Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Why attempt changing the the narrative?

MaxInDHouse:
NO! We have just one God his name is JEHOVAH not Jesus that's why we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
I've told you times without number that JEHOVAH made Moses God not over his own people so that they start worshiping Moses rather Moses becomes a God over Pharaoh and all the gods in Egypt! {Exodus 7:1} This means whatever Moses decides to do with all the forces of nature in the process of delivering God's people out of Egypt will be granted to Moses!

Point of correction:
Exodus 7:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh, and your brother, Aaron, will be your prophet.

Is Moses "a god" or "a man"?

MaxInDHouse:


The same thing applies to Jesus, he became God over all the forces of darkness in Israel and whatever Jesus decides to do with all the forces of nature during his earthly assignment will be granted to him. But when it comes to the God that we must worship Jesus emphatically said to one of his followers "I am returning to my father who is also your father and to my God who is also your God" John 20:17

The God that Jesus
©Kneel down to! Luke 22:41
©Prayed to! Luke 22:44
©Cried to! Matthew 27:46
©Begged for help! Hebrew 5:7
Is JEHOVAH, he's our one and only God {Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29} that's why we (from Abel to Jesus and today) are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Hebrew 12:1 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12; Revelations 1:5

May you have PEACE!

Is this supposed to be an explanation of why Jesus is a mighty god or why Jesus is not a mighty God?

The question was:

Do you not have two Gods?
1. The Almighty God
2. A mighty god

Why attempt changing the the narrative?

1. According to NWT, Jesus is a mighty god
John1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

2. According to your doctrinal position and understanding, Jesus is just a mighty god and not the True God!

Yet, a person may ask, ‘In what sense is Jesus a “Mighty God,” and didn’t the apostle John say that Jesus is himself God?
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102005283


Here is what the Bible says:

Isa. 43:10, 11
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
and apart from me there is no savior.

Isaiah 44:6
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me”

Deut. 32:39
‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.”

How could Jesus be "another" God who is just "a mighty" god?

3. Even though, I know that you will avoid answering this question as usual of you,:
Is Jesus a true God or a false God?