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Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:10pm On Dec 04, 2020
Question
Are the five daily prayers mentioned in the Qur’aan?

Answer:
Praise be to Allah.

In the Tafseer of this aayah, it is reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The five daily prayers are (mentioned) in the Qur’aan.” He was asked, “Where?” He said, “Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening’ is maghrib and ‘isha’; ‘and when you enter the morning’ is fajr; ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.” Other mufassireen, such as al-Dahhaak and Sa’eed ibn Jubayr said the same thing. 

Some of the mufassireen said that these aayat mention only four of the prayers; ‘isha’ is not mentioned here, but it is mentioned in Soorat Hood, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… and in some hours of the night…” [Hood 11:114] 

Most of the mufassireen are of the first opinion. Al-Nahhaas (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The scholars of Tafseer say that the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening and when you enter the morning…’ [al-Room 30:17] refers to the prayers.” 

Imaam al-Jassaas (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… The prayer is enjoined on the believers at fixed times [mawqootan].’ [al-Nisa’ 4:103]. It was reported that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: ‘[Mawqootan means that] Salaah has an appointed time just as Hajj does.’ It was reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas, Mujaahid and ‘Atiyyah said [that mawqootan means] ‘It is obligatory’… The word ‘mawqootan’ means that it is obligatory at certain times. The times are referred to in general terms in this aayah and are explained elsewhere in the Book, without defining precisely when those times start and end – that was explained in detail by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).  What Allaah mentioned about the times of the prayers in His Book is (interpretation of the meaning): “Perform al-Salaah from mid-day till the darkness of the night and recite the Qur’aan in the early dawn…” [al-Isra’ 17:78]. Mujaahid reported from Ibn ‘Abbaas: “’Mid-day’ means when the sun has passed its zenith for salaat al-zuhr, and ‘the darkness of the night’ means the beginning of the night, for salaat al-maghrib.” It was also reported from Ibn ‘Umar that mid-day meant the zenith…  Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And perform al-salaah at the two ends of the day and in some parts of the night” [Hood 11:114]. ‘Amr reported from al-Hasan that ‘the two ends of the day’ means fajr at the first end and zuhr and ‘asr at the other; ‘some parts of the night’ means maghrib and ‘isha’. So according to this opinion the aayah refers to all five prayers….  Layth reported from al-Hakam from Abu ‘Ayyaad that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “This aayah mentions all five prayers together. ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening’ refers to maghrib and ‘isha’, ‘and when you enter the morning’ refers to fajr, ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.” Something similar was also reported from al-Hasan. 

Abu Razeen reported from Ibn ‘Abbaas: “ ‘…and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting’ [Qaaf 50:39 – interpretation of the meaning] refers to the prescribed prayers. ‘… and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and during some of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day, that you may become pleased with the reward which Allaah shall give you.’ [Ta-Ha 20:130 – interpretation of the meaning] This aayah also includes the times of the prayers. All of these aayaat mention the times of the prayers.” 

Ahkaam al-Qur’aan by al-Jassaas, Baab Mawaaqeet al-Salaah. 

What you should also know is that the Qur’aan does not contain details of all the rules. The Qur’aan mentions many rules, but it also tells us that the Sunnah is a source of evidence in which many rules are mentioned in detail that are not mentioned in the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“… and We have also sent down to you (O Muhammad) the reminder and the advice (the Qur’aan), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them and that they may give thought.” [al-Nahl 16:44]

“… and whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it…” [al-Hashr 59:7]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it with it…” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 16546; this is a saheeh hadeeth). Whether the rules were narrated in the Qur’aan or in the Sunnah, all of it is true and right, and all of it has one source, which is the wahy or revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1092/are-the-five-daily-prayers-mentioned-in-the-quraan

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 7:53am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:


Question
Are the five daily prayers mentioned in the Qur’aan?

Answer:
Praise be to Allah.

In the Tafseer of this aayah, it is reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The five daily prayers are (mentioned) in the Qur’aan.” He was asked, “Where?” He said, “Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening’ is maghrib and ‘isha’; ‘and when you enter the morning’ is fajr; ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.” Other mufassireen, such as al-Dahhaak and Sa’eed ibn Jubayr said the same thing. 

Some of the mufassireen said that these aayat mention only four of the prayers; ‘isha’ is not mentioned here, but it is mentioned in Soorat Hood, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… and in some hours of the night…” [Hood 11:114] 

Most of the mufassireen are of the first opinion. Al-Nahhaas (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The scholars of Tafseer say that the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening and when you enter the morning…’ [al-Room 30:17] refers to the prayers.” 

Imaam al-Jassaas (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… The prayer is enjoined on the believers at fixed times [mawqootan].’ [al-Nisa’ 4:103]. It was reported that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: ‘[Mawqootan means that] Salaah has an appointed time just as Hajj does.’ It was reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas, Mujaahid and ‘Atiyyah said [that mawqootan means] ‘It is obligatory’… The word ‘mawqootan’ means that it is obligatory at certain times. The times are referred to in general terms in this aayah and are explained elsewhere in the Book, without defining precisely when those times start and end – that was explained in detail by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).  What Allaah mentioned about the times of the prayers in His Book is (interpretation of the meaning): “Perform al-Salaah from mid-day till the darkness of the night and recite the Qur’aan in the early dawn…” [al-Isra’ 17:78]. Mujaahid reported from Ibn ‘Abbaas: “’Mid-day’ means when the sun has passed its zenith for salaat al-zuhr, and ‘the darkness of the night’ means the beginning of the night, for salaat al-maghrib.” It was also reported from Ibn ‘Umar that mid-day meant the zenith…  Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And perform al-salaah at the two ends of the day and in some parts of the night” [Hood 11:114]. ‘Amr reported from al-Hasan that ‘the two ends of the day’ means fajr at the first end and zuhr and ‘asr at the other; ‘some parts of the night’ means maghrib and ‘isha’. So according to this opinion the aayah refers to all five prayers….  Layth reported from al-Hakam from Abu ‘Ayyaad that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “This aayah mentions all five prayers together. ‘So glorify Allaah when you come up to the evening’ refers to maghrib and ‘isha’, ‘and when you enter the morning’ refers to fajr, ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.” Something similar was also reported from al-Hasan. 

Abu Razeen reported from Ibn ‘Abbaas: “ ‘…and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting’ [Qaaf 50:39 – interpretation of the meaning] refers to the prescribed prayers. ‘… and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and during some of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day, that you may become pleased with the reward which Allaah shall give you.’ [Ta-Ha 20:130 – interpretation of the meaning] This aayah also includes the times of the prayers. All of these aayaat mention the times of the prayers.” 

Ahkaam al-Qur’aan by al-Jassaas, Baab Mawaaqeet al-Salaah. 

What you should also know is that the Qur’aan does not contain details of all the rules. The Qur’aan mentions many rules, but it also tells us that the Sunnah is a source of evidence in which many rules are mentioned in detail that are not mentioned in the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“… and We have also sent down to you (O Muhammad) the reminder and the advice (the Qur’aan), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them and that they may give thought.” [al-Nahl 16:44]

“… and whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it…” [al-Hashr 59:7]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it with it…” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 16546; this is a saheeh hadeeth). Whether the rules were narrated in the Qur’aan or in the Sunnah, all of it is true and right, and all of it has one source, which is the wahy or revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.


Show us where you're asked to pray 5 times daily. Solat not glorify. You don't know anything.

Surah 50:39 didn't mention prayer, it only mentioned praise(hamdi) حَمْد

Surah 17:78 mentioned that you should pray /salat(الصَّلَوةَ) at sun set and at dawn- 2 prayers


Surah 2:238 mentioned that you should pray/salat (وَالصَّلَوةِ) middle prayer i.e. the prayer in between sun set and dawn. That's the third prayer


Surah 30:17 says Allah is given glory(فَسُبْحَانَ) in the morning and in the evening.

This wasn't talking about prayer/salat neither was it instructing you to give Glory to Allah, it only highlights that glory is given to Allah at that point, the next ayat is what explains it


Surah 30:18 says He's being praised(الْحَمْدُ) in heaven and on earth in the afternoon and at night, this isn't talking about prayer/salat and this is talking about praises and it is not an instruction, it's only stating the fact.


So have you seen now that you human beings, you Muslims are only commanded by Allah to pray to him 3 times daily like the Jews and he prayed towards Jerusalem like the Jews until the Jews rejected him for being a false prophet and it was at that point that he started praying like the Zoroastrians and changed the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Kaaba, the home of the 360 idols of the Meccans

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 10:43am On Dec 05, 2020
If after reading this article this is what you can come up with then you don't know how to read, you dont understand what you read at all! but i will not go back to the topic, i will use simple method to answer you. it seems the previous one is too complex for your level.
advocatejare:


Show us where you're asked to pray 5 times daily. Solat not glorify. You don't know anything.

Surah 50:39 didn't mention prayer, it only mentioned praise(hamdi) حَمْد

Surah 17:78 mentioned that you should pray /salat(الصَّلَوةَ) at sun set and at dawn- 2 prayers


Surah 2:238 mentioned that you should pray/salat (وَالصَّلَوةِ) middle prayer i.e. the prayer in between sun set and dawn. That's the third prayer


Surah 30:17 says Allah is given glory(فَسُبْحَانَ) in the morning and in the evening.

This wasn't talking about prayer/salat neither was it instructing you to give Glory to Allah, it only highlights that glory is given to Allah at that point, the next ayat is what explains it


Surah 30:18 says He's being praised(الْحَمْدُ) in heaven and on earth in the afternoon and at night, this isn't talking about prayer/salat and this is talking about praises and it is not an instruction, it's only stating the fact.


So have you seen now that you human beings, you Muslims are only commanded by Allah to pray to him 3 times daily like the Jews and he prayed towards Jerusalem like the Jews until the Jews rejected him for being a false prophet and it was at that point that he started praying like the Zoroastrians and changed the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Kaaba, the home of the 360 idols of the Meccans

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 10:44am On Dec 05, 2020
advocatejare:


Show us where you're asked to pray 5 times daily. Solat not glorify. You don't know anything.

Surah 50:39 didn't mention prayer, it only mentioned praise(hamdi) حَمْد

Surah 17:78 mentioned that you should pray /salat(الصَّلَوةَ) at sun set and at dawn- 2 prayers


Surah 2:238 mentioned that you should pray/salat (وَالصَّلَوةِ) middle prayer i.e. the prayer in between sun set and dawn. That's the third prayer


Surah 30:17 says Allah is given glory(فَسُبْحَانَ) in the morning and in the evening.

This wasn't talking about prayer/salat neither was it instructing you to give Glory to Allah, it only highlights that glory is given to Allah at that point, the next ayat is what explains it


Surah 30:18 says He's being praised(الْحَمْدُ) in heaven and on earth in the afternoon and at night, this isn't talking about prayer/salat and this is talking about praises and it is not an instruction, it's only stating the fact.


So have you seen now that you human beings, you Muslims are only commanded by Allah to pray to him 3 times daily like the Jews and he prayed towards Jerusalem like the Jews until the Jews rejected him for being a false prophet and it was at that point that he started praying like the Zoroastrians and changed the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Kaaba, the home of the 360 idols of the Meccans
Quran is an abstract expressionist! It is Sunnah that will translate to us the full meaning of quran. That is why it has exigesis. One of example of its abstractified expression is this verse

Q.11.114

وَأَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ طَرَفَىِ ٱلنَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ ٱلَّيْلِۚ إِنَّ ٱلْحَسَنَٰتِ يُذْهِبْنَ ٱلسَّيِّـَٔاتِۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّٰكِرِينَ

And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.

This type of verse is abundant in Quran some mention two durations why some three, are you expecting Quran to be mentioning the five time daily prayer one by one? NO! Quran stye of expression is like summary! Quran is a summarist! It is Sunnah that will explain to us what this ayah mean! Sunnah is the eleborator!

This is the beauty of islam, we don't do anything without proof either from Quran or Sunnah/Hadith. Unlike your artificial religion founded by Paul, that anybody can say anything without anyone asking of evidence/proof. MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 10:45am On Dec 05, 2020
To nail it down..... the sentence ﺃﻗِﻢِ ﺍﻟﺼﻼﺓ = establish prayer (singular form) was quoted 5 times in the Quran go and make enquiry about that and come back!

The plural form was found in 12 times in Quran making it 5+12 making total amount of 17 rakahs we pray a day i.e subh 2 rakahs
Suhr 4 rakahs
Asr 4 rakahs
Magrib 3 rakahs
Ishai 4 rakahs total 17. this is one of the miracle of the holy Quran!

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:00am On Dec 05, 2020
So don't expect quran to mention each thing one by one! Quran style of expresion is summary. If quran is explaining thing one by one it would have be like 100,000 Pages!



Sahih al-Bukhari 7517

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The night Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was taken for a journey from the sacred mosque (of Mecca) Al-Ka`ba: Three persons came to him (in a dreamy while he was sleeping in the Sacred Mosque before the Divine Inspiration was revealed to Him. One of them said, "Which of them is he?" The middle (second) angel said, "He is the best of them." The last (third) angle said, "Take the best of them." Only that much happened on that night and he did not see them till they came on another night, i.e. after The Divine Inspiration was revealed to him. (Fath-ul-Bari Page 258, Vol. 17) and he saw them, his eyes were asleep but his heart was not----and so is the case with the prophets: their eyes sleep while their hearts do not sleep. So those angels did not talk to him till they carried him and placed him beside the well of Zamzam. From among them Gabriel took charge of him. Gabriel cut open (the part of his body) between his throat and the middle of his chest (heart) and took all the material out of his chest and `Abdomen and then washed it with Zamzam water with his own hands till he cleansed the inside of his body, and then a gold tray containing a gold bowl full of belief and wisdom was brought and then Gabriel stuffed his chest and throat blood vessels with it and then closed it (the chest). He then ascended with him to the heaven of the world and knocked on one of its doors. The dwellers of the Heaven asked, 'Who is it?' He said, "Gabriel." They said, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They said, "Has he been called?" He said, "Yes" They said, "He is welcomed." So the dwellers of the Heaven became pleased with his arrival, and they did not know what Allah would do to the Prophet (ﷺ) on earth unless Allah informed them. The Prophet (ﷺ) met Adam over the nearest Heaven. Gabriel said to the Prophet, "He is your father; greet him." The Prophet (ﷺ) greeted him and Adam returned his greeting and said, "Welcome, O my Son! O what a good son you are!" Behold, he saw two flowing rivers, while he was in the nearest sky. He asked, "What are these two rivers, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "These are the sources of the Nile and the Euphrates." Then Gabriel took him around that Heaven and behold, he saw another river at the bank of which there was a palace built of pearls and emerald. He put his hand into the river and found its mud like musk Adhfar. He asked, "What is this, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "This is the Kauthar which your Lord has kept for you." Then Gabriel ascended (with him) to the second Heaven and the angels asked the same questions as those on the first Heaven, i.e., "Who is it?" Gabriel replied, "Gabriel". They asked, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They asked, "Has he been sent for?" He said, "Yes." Then they said, "He is welcomed.'' Then he (Gabriel) ascended with the Prophet (ﷺ) to the third Heaven, and the angels said the same as the angels of the first and the second Heavens had said. Then he ascended with him to the fourth Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the fifth Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the sixth Heaven and they said the same; then he ascended with him to the seventh Heaven and they said the same. On each Heaven there were prophets whose names he had mentioned and of whom I remember Idris on the second Heaven, Aaron on the fourth Heavens another prophet whose name I don't remember, on the fifth Heaven, Abraham on the sixth Heaven, and Moses on the seventh Heaven because of his privilege of talking to Allah directly. Moses said (to Allah), "O Lord! I thought that none would be raised up above me." But Gabriel ascended with him (the Prophet) for a distance above that, the distance of which only Allah knows, till he reached the Lote Tree (beyond which none may pass) and then the Irresistible, the Lord of Honor and Majesty approached and came closer till he (Gabriel) was about two bow lengths or (even) nearer. (It is said that it was Gabriel who approached and came closer to the Prophet. (Fate Al-Bari Page 263, 264, Vol. 17). Among the things which Allah revealed to him then, was: "Fifty prayers were enjoined on his followers in a day and a night." Then the Prophet (ﷺ) descended till he met Moses, and then Moses stopped him and asked, "O Muhammad ! What did your Lord en join upon you?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied," He enjoined upon me to perform fifty prayers in a day and a night." Moses said, "Your followers cannot do that; Go back so that your Lord may reduce it for you and for them." So the Prophet (ﷺ) turned to Gabriel as if he wanted to consult him about that issue. Gabriel told him of his opinion, saying, "Yes, if you wish." So Gabriel ascended with him to the Irresistible and said while he was in his place, "O Lord, please lighten our burden as my followers cannot do that." So Allah deducted for him ten prayers where upon he returned to Moses who stopped him again and kept on sending him back to his Lord till the enjoined prayers were reduced to only five prayers. Then Moses stopped him when the prayers had been reduced to five and said, "O Muhammad! By Allah, I tried to persuade my nation, Bani Israel to do less than this, but they could not do it and gave it up. However, your followers are weaker in body, heart, sight and hearing, so return to your Lord so that He may lighten your burden." The Prophet (ﷺ) turned towards Gabriel for advice and Gabriel did not disapprove of that. So he ascended with him for the fifth time. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Lord, my followers are weak in their bodies, hearts, hearing and constitution, so lighten our burden." On that the Irresistible said, "O Muhammad!" the Prophet replied, "Labbaik and Sa`daik." Allah said, "The Word that comes from Me does not change, so it will be as I enjoined on you in the Mother of the Book." Allah added, "Every good deed will be rewarded as ten times so it is fifty (prayers) in the Mother of the Book (in reward) but you are to perform only five (in practice)." The Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Moses who asked, "What have you done?" He said, "He has lightened our burden: He has given us for every good deed a tenfold reward." Moses said, "By Allah! I tried to make Bani Israel observe less than that, but they gave it up. So go back to your Lord that He may lighten your burden further." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O Moses! By Allah, I feel shy of returning too many times to my Lord." On that Gabriel said, "Descend in Allah's Name." The Prophet (ﷺ) then woke while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca).


This is Hadith telling us how Salat was deducted to 5. From 50 So are you expecting Quran to tell you all this long stories? NO! Quran has already summarized everything in a single verse, it is left for Sunnah to explain in details, that is how all Quran verse are!

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:07am On Dec 05, 2020
This is Hadith telling us how Salat was deducted to 5. From 50 So are you expecting Quran to tell you all this long stories? NO! Quran has already summarized everything in a single verse, it is left for Sunnah to explain in details, that is how all Quran verse are!

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:12am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:

Quran is an abstract expressionist! [/b]It is Sunnah that will translate to us the full meaning of quran. That is why it has exigesis. One of example of its abstractified expression is this verse
Now I know that you're confused.

First, you said you don't believe hadith that contradicts the Quran and I asked you to do show me where in the Quran you're asked to pray 5 times daily but you couldn't.

Now you're saying that you're smarter and wiser than Allah who said that the Quran is a clear book, but you're saying no, you said the Quran is an abstract. Allah will curse you for calling him a liar, for saying you're smarter than Allah.

This is what Allah said about the Quran.

"And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and [b]a clear Qur'an
"
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 69)


"This [Qur'an] is a clear statement to [all] the people and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 138)

Now show me where Allah says you need the hadith or Tafsir to understand the Quran.

If you can't, that means you've lied against Allah and he will turn you into one of the young boys made eternal that gay Muslims will circulate among themselves in the Muslim Paradise

"There will circulate among them young boys made eternal"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 17)

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:13am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:

Quran is an abstract expressionist![/b]It is Sunnah that will translate to us the full meaning of quran. That is why it has exigesis. One of example of its abstractified expression is this verse

Now I know that you're confused.

First, you said you don't believe hadith that contradicts the Quran and I asked you to do show me where in the Quran you're asked to pray 5 times daily but you couldn't.

Now you're saying that you're smarter and wiser than Allah who said that the Quran is a clear book, but you're saying no, you said the Quran is an abstract. Allah will curse you for calling him a liar, for saying you're smarter than Allah.

This is what Allah said about the Quran.

"And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and [b]a clear Qur'an
"
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 69)


"This [Qur'an] is a clear statement to [all] the people and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 138)

Now show me where Allah says you need the hadith or Tafsir to understand the Quran.

If you can't, that means you've lied against Allah and he will turn you into one of the young boys made eternal that gay Muslims will circulate among themselves in the Muslim Paradise

"There will circulate among them young boys made eternal"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 17)
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:17am On Dec 05, 2020
We believe and follow Whatever Prophet Muhammad says because his lord had bear witness he doesn't talk from his own desire. so if there is any hadith that contradict Quran it only needs explanations that ignorant like you can never know.


Q.53:2

مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَىٰ

Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,



Q.53:2

وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ ٱلْهَوَىٰٓ

Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.


Q.53:3


النجم ٥٣:٤

إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْىٌ يُوحَىٰ

It is not but a revelation revealed,


Q53:4
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْىٌ يُوحَىٰ

It is not but a revelation revealed,

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:18am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:


To nail it down..... the sentence ﺃﻗِﻢِ ﺍﻟﺼﻼﺓ = establish prayer (singular form) was quoted 5 times in the Quran go and make enquiry about that and come back!

The plural form was found in 12 times in Quran making it 5+12 making total amount of 17 rakahs we pray a day i.e subh 2 rakahs
Suhr 4 rakahs
Asr 4 rakahs
Magrib 3 rakahs
Ishai 4 rakahs total 17. this is one of the miracle of the holy Quran!
You forgot to add this mathematical miracles too. Let me help you

Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:25am On Dec 05, 2020
advocatejare:


Now I know that you're confused.

First, you said you don't believe hadith that contradicts the Quran and I asked you to do show me where in the Quran you're asked to pray 5 times daily but you couldn't.

Now you're saying that you're smarter and wiser than Allah who said that the Quran is a clear book, but you're saying no, you said the Quran is an abstract. Allah will curse you for calling him a liar, for saying you're smarter than Allah.

This is what Allah said about the Quran.

"And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an"
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 69)


"This [Qur'an] is a clear statement to [all] the people and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 138)

Now show me where Allah says you need the hadith or Tafsir to understand the Quran.

If you can't, that means you've lied against Allah and he will turn you into one of the young boys made eternal that gay Muslims will circulate among themselves in the Muslim Paradise

"There will circulate among them young boys made eternal"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 17)
you accused Quran of not having a single verse where it says we should pray five times daily, but you couldn't provide the verse because you are ignorant your accusation is only based on hearsay! i then help you to bring forth the verse in my first post which you refused to understand because of your low level. now you are asking the same aswered question consecutively

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:30am On Dec 05, 2020
The short answer to this is: i never say i dont believe the authenticity of hadith that contradict Quran, i ony told you that we consider Quran more than hadith in such situation because it is our first primary source! so the Quran verse in Question is abstratical then Sunnah elaborate it! this is the verse in question below

Surah Hud ayaat 114.
Establish the Salat at the two ends of the day and in
the early part of the night.
advocatejare:


Now I know that you're confused.

First, you said you don't believe hadith that contradicts the Quran and I asked you to do show me where in the Quran you're asked to pray 5 times daily but you couldn't.

Now you're saying that you're smarter and wiser than Allah who said that the Quran is a clear book, but you're saying no, you said the Quran is an abstract. Allah will curse you for calling him a liar, for saying you're smarter than Allah.

This is what Allah said about the Quran.

"And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an"
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 69)


"This [Qur'an] is a clear statement to [all] the people and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 138)

Now show me where Allah says you need the hadith or Tafsir to understand the Quran.

If you can't, that means you've lied against Allah and he will turn you into one of the young boys made eternal that gay Muslims will circulate among themselves in the Muslim Paradise

"There will circulate among them young boys made eternal"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 17)

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:30am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:

We believe and follow Whatever Prophet Muhammad says because his lord had bear witness he doesn't talk from his own desire. so if there is any hadith that contradict Quran it only needs explanations that ignorant like you can never know.
Liar, how can you say Muhammad didnt talk from his own desire when the same Allah said Muhammad did.

If Muhammad didnt talk of his own desire, why did he out of fear that Hafsa will report his sexual escapades with Maria Qibitiya to Aisha, swore to Hafsa that he would not sleep with Maria Qibitiya again before Allah rebuked him and gave him free ticket to sleeping with any woman?


"O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
(QS. At-Tahrim 66: Verse 1)


So was Muhammad not speaking on his own accord where he was busy promising Hafsa. Keeping fooling yourself
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:33am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:
The short answer to this is: i never say i dont believe the authenticity of hadith that contradict Quran, i ony told you that we consider Quran more than hadith in such situation because it is our first primary source! so the Quran verse in Question is abstratical then Sunnah elaborate it!
Show me where Allah says you need the hadith to understand the Quran and where Allah say the Quran is abstract

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:36am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:
you accused Quran of not having a single verse where it says we should pray five times daily, but you couldn't provide the verse because you are ignorant your accusation is only based on hearsay! i then help you to bring forth the verse in my first post which you refused to understand because of your low level. now you are asking the same aswered question consecutively
You didn't bring it out, is it everytime u say alhamdulilah that you pray?

Allah ask you to pray salat 3 times daily and that was what Muhammad did before he got rejected by the Jews and decided to pray like the Zoroastrians that pray 5 times daily. Muhammad copied them verbatim

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:38am On Dec 05, 2020
advocatejare:

Show me where Allah says you need the hadith to understand the Quran and where Allah say the Quran is abstract
There are many verses in the Quran that exhort the Muslims to do following 'Obey Allah and obey the messenger.'
Here is one. [nb: mine]

24:54. Say: Obey Allah and obey the messenger. But if ye [Muslims] turn away, then (it is) for him [Muhammad] (to do) only that wherewith he [Muhammad] hath been charged [to do], and for you [Muslim] (to do) only that wherewith ye [Muslim] have been charged [to do]. If ye [Muslim] obey him, ye will go aright. 
But the messenger [Muhammad] hath no other charge [duty] than to convey (the message), plainly.

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:41am On Dec 05, 2020
Quran 24: 54

قُلْ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ مَا حُمِّلَ وَعَلَيْكُم مَّا حُمِّلْتُمْۖ وَإِن تُطِيعُوهُ تَهْتَدُوا۟ۚ وَمَا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ

Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification."

advocatejare:

Show me where Allah says you need the hadith to understand the Quran and where Allah say the Quran is abstract
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:43am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:
There are many verses in the Quran that exhort the Muslims to do following 'Obey Allah and obey the messenger.'
Here is one. [nb: mine]

24:54. Say: Obey Allah and obey the messenger. But if ye [Muslims] turn away, then (it is) for him [Muhammad] (to do) only that wherewith he [Muhammad] hath been charged [to do], and for you [Muslim] (to do) only that wherewith ye [Muslim] have been charged [to do]. If ye [Muslim] obey him, ye will go aright. 
But the messenger [Muhammad] hath no other charge [duty] than to convey (the message), plainly.



This doesn't say that you need hadith to understand the Quran. Why are you a liar like this

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:48am On Dec 05, 2020
advocatejare:

This doesn't say that you need hadith to understand the Quran. Why are you a liar like this
so you can't see 'obey' you can't see 'convey clear message? ok bring me a verse that says we don't need any elaborative comment from prophet Muhammad to understand Quran

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 11:50am On Dec 05, 2020
i've won you back to back in these debates since yesterday while you keep asking many questions one after other. if i ask you questions about christianity you can't answer me! where is it in bible to go to church on sunday? where is it to dance and sing in church? where is it that there should be a female pastor, where is it that you could marry only one wife? and thousands more! 80% of what christians do today has no biblical origin!

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 11:59am On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:
so you can't see 'obey' you can't see 'convey clear message? ok bring me a verse that says we don't need any elaborative comment from prophet Muhammad to understand Quran
Show me where Allah says in the Quran that you need hadith to understand the Quran, don't run away from my question
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 12:02pm On Dec 05, 2020
advocatejare:

Show me where Allah says in the Quran that you need hadith to understand the Quran, don't run away from my question
i've answered you! don't be stupid bro! my time is so precious don't think you will have opportunity to debate with me again.

Quran 24: 54
ﻗُﻞْ ﺃَﻃِﻴﻌُﻮﺍ۟ ﭐﻟﻠَّﻪَ ﻭَﺃَﻃِﻴﻌُﻮﺍ۟ ﭐﻟﺮَّﺳُﻮﻝَۖ ﻓَﺈِﻥ ﺗَﻮَﻟَّﻮْﺍ۟ ﻓَﺈِﻧَّﻤَﺎ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﻣَﺎ ﺣُﻤِّﻞَ ﻭَﻋَﻠَﻴْﻜُﻢ ﻣَّﺎ ﺣُﻤِّﻠْﺘُﻢْۖ ﻭَﺇِﻥ ﺗُﻄِﻴﻌُﻮﻩُ ﺗَﻬْﺘَﺪُﻭﺍ۟ۚ ﻭَﻣَﺎ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﭐﻟﺮَّﺳُﻮﻝِ ﺇِﻟَّﺎ ﭐﻟْﺒَﻠَٰﻎُ ﭐﻟْﻤُﺒِﻴﻦُ
Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification."

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Realismailakabir: 12:05pm On Dec 05, 2020
you've wasted enough of my time! the best thing for your kind is overlooking your ignorance. repetition of already answered question shows you have no more to offer. bye.
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 12:18pm On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:
i've won you back to back in these debates since yesterday while you keep asking many questions one after other. if i ask you questions about christianity you can't answer me! where is it in bible to go to church on sunday? where is it to dance and sing in church? where is it that there should be a female pastor, where is it that you could marry only one wife? and thousands more! 80% of what christians do today has no biblical origin!

1. Where is Dhikr done like the way all of you are doing it today, sitting on and around a white clothe and chanting loudly in unison


2. Show me where Mohammed and his followers used misbaha to do Dhikr like you Muslims do it today


3. Where did Muhammad sing and dance to praise Allah like Ayeloyun, Ere Asalatu, Labaika etc are doing today?



Answer me and I will answer you

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 12:20pm On Dec 05, 2020
Realismailakabir:
you've wasted enough of my time! the best thing for your kind is overlooking your ignorance. repetition of already answered question shows you have no more to offer. bye.
I knew you would run away.

Show me where it is stated in the Quran that you need the hadith to understand the Quran and that the Quran is not a clear book but an abstract
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by Camelot65: 3:22pm On Dec 05, 2020
advocatejare:


1. Where is Dhikr done like the way all of you are doing it today, sitting on and around a white clothe and chanting loudly in unison


2. Show me where Mohammed and his followers used misbaha to do Dhikr like you Muslims do it today


3. Where did Muhammad sing and dance to praise Allah like Ayeloyun, Ere Asalatu, Labaika etc are doing today?



Answer me and I will answer you
You're doing a great job man

all those questions he asked can easily be answered by a learned Christian cheesy I'm even surprised he asked about one man, one wife cheesy Lol, he's still a learner

I'm waiting for him to answer your questions
Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by advocatejare(m): 5:33pm On Dec 05, 2020
Camelot65:
You're doing a great job man

all those questions he asked can easily be answered by a learned Christian cheesy I'm even surprised he asked about one man, one wife cheesy Lol, he's still a learner

I'm waiting for him to answer your questions
Thanks.

He can't answer, he has ran away like his other cowards

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by true2god: 7:06am On Dec 06, 2020
Realismailakabir:

Quran is an abstract expressionist! It is Sunnah that will translate to us the full meaning of quran. That is why it has exigesis. One of example of its abstractified expression is this verse

Q.11.114

وَأَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ طَرَفَىِ ٱلنَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ ٱلَّيْلِۚ إِنَّ ٱلْحَسَنَٰتِ يُذْهِبْنَ ٱلسَّيِّـَٔاتِۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّٰكِرِينَ

And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.

This type of verse is abundant in Quran some mention two durations why some three, are you expecting Quran to be mentioning the five time daily prayer one by one? NO! Quran stye of expression is like summary! Quran is a summarist! It is Sunnah that will explain to us what this ayah mean! Sunnah is the eleborator!

This is the beauty of islam, we don't do anything without proof either from Quran or Sunnah/Hadith. Unlike your artificial religion founded by Paul, that anybody can say anything without anyone asking of evidence/proof. MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU
Why do you need the hadith when Allah said, in the Quran, that his words are so clear. Why do you need an external source, produced over 200 years after the Quran, to explain the Quran? It is either you accept what Allah said in the Quran (that his words are very clear) or reject it as a lie (since you need the hadith, the seerah rasoollah and the tafsir to have a better knowledge of the Quran).

On the 5 daily solat, all what the OP is asking is for Muslims to show us where Allah commanded it in the Quran without jumping from place to place in an attempt to provide an incoherent and unacceptable response. Just show us an ayah that instructed 5 solat prayer for muslims.

Thank you!

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by true2god: 7:13am On Dec 06, 2020
Realismailakabir:
This is Hadith telling us how Salat was deducted to 5. From 50 So are you expecting Quran to tell you all this long stories? NO! Quran has already summarized everything in a single verse, it is left for Sunnah to explain in details, that is how all Quran verse are!
Did mohammed ask you to follow the Quran or the hadith? Did Allah also reveal the hadith to rasollollah? So the Quran is the summary of the hadith (a book never authored by mohammed but Persians and Arabs, 250 years after mohammed had gone). You are destroying Islam with your pseudo-knowledge of your own religious text.

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Re: Are The Five Daily Prayers Mentioned In The Qur’aan? by true2god: 7:17am On Dec 06, 2020
Realismailakabir:
so you can't see 'obey' you can't see 'convey clear message? ok bring me a verse that says we don't need any elaborative comment from prophet Muhammad to understand Quran
So you mean the Quran is not elaborate enough after Allah, in the Quran, said his words are clear and elaborate? You seem to know better than Allah who said the Quran is DETAILED (elaborate). Why do you need sahih Bukhari, a book by a man from Uzbekistan, to understand the elaborate words of Allah (al-quran)?

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