fnk:


All the birds didn't die at once, we called in different vets, their conclusion was where we got the feed from, in good fath a friend offered to help cut my cost on feed my compounding feed for me. He has a mill in his farm where mill for his layers. The proximity of his mill to the layers pen is very close, so buying those feed and taking them to my farm was like introducing the bacteria from his farm to my, while his birds are muted to those bio security, my farm and birds weren't , so, everyday, we were recording high number of mutuality, and trying to treat the birds with different kind of drugs, and their suffering from the attack, stalled their growth, so, a 12 weeks bird was weighing 700g so we have to destroy over 1000 birds ourself, because at that point, the cost of raising the birds were already above N1,500/bird. So, it didn't make sense to continue trying to feed them or treat them. So, I have learned from that experience, I was trying to save money and didn't think through the descsion. But everything was done with good intention, my friend wanted to help me. So, don't buy feed from a farm where the mill is right next to the pen of their own birds, you will be bridging the bio security in your farm with the virus and bacteria from the other farm.

endy247:
i gave them ivermectin wen i first noticed it last wk bt it's still there, maybe i'll try it again, i'm getting tired of dis birds sef.

sukkotfarm:

@afosoft.
over 80% that's good.pls I will like to ask u...which hatchery did u get one laying and where are u planing to get the new DOC. And what can you say about d size of there eggs.pls what brand of feed are you using.thanks

afosoft:


Thanks guys, the birds are from Obasanjo Farm, i collected them 26th of Jan. I am using livestock feed. At sukkotfarm I am thinking of that 2million shortfall as well... may be i will wait a month or two to save before collecting the DOC but in this business time is as important as money.

AkayTopsy:


@endy247 how r ur birds doing? any update on the LICE? have u been able to erradicate it completely from ur pen?

afosoft:
My birds are now over 80% in production. 77 crates out of 2800birds. Now i am planning to take 6-7,000 DOC and task this laying birds to feed them to lay as big sisters.. Guys what do u think.

twoMcfemad:


Boss, How has been your experience using Livestock feed? Top Feed has caused us drop in production and small sized eggs, so considering Livestock/Vital Feeds.

Is livestock feed okay and the price competitive?

Thanks,sir.

FarmTech:

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Are you sure it's top feed you used?

FarmTech:

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Are you sure it's top feed you used?

davidzfarm18:

The poultry feed industry is facing serious challenge due to increase in exchange rate. increasing cost of local raw materials and the competition(largely on prices
some.
In my area for example. Farmers have complain seriously about drop in production using top feed and vital feed. late last yr , it was animal care when they tried to substitute for soyer due to it's unavailability.
That why we need to come together in this forum and fashion out the most effective means of solving the Fred challenge which constitute more than 70% of our cost of production.
It's time to look inward and tap into the most important potential we have on our inside as a forum.
Remain ever blessed.

kengeorge:



I am the friend who helped @FNK mill the feed. @FNK this is Ken, I would rather have read this post and not respond but for the nature of the thread and the fact that we are all learning here I will say a little bit of my experience. First off all sorry for the loss, I know what it feels like to loose that number of birds. Though you didn't particularly blame me for the incident, but I feel like I did something wrong introducing you to something like that. while there maybe a possibility as to the reason given by your vet (In Theory). I am somehow not convinced about the cause given by your vet. As at the time I introduced you to this feed, I was feeding my 4000 DOC with the feed and I was not raising those birds in my Main Farm where my feed mill is located. I was brooding in the small pen at the back of my house. and I was getting excellent result with them because it was my first time trying out Animal Care Broiler Concentrate. The growth and the livability was encouraging hence I called you and told you about it. If you would recall in time past you asked me if I can mill broiler feed for you but I said no because I don't do broiler and don't want to take any risk on a formula I have not tried out myself. I keep only layers and that is the formula I have and have tried. after the first batch of 4000 DOC, I took another 4000 DOC which I also brooded in my house and at 13 weeks my mortality is less than 5%. With my little experience in this industry, farmers don't have a support system, 90% of the so called vet you have around don't know what they are doing, they solve most of your problems by asking you questions and finding loopholes in your operation and tell you that is the reason. I have had my own bitter experiences with them and at this point I just rely more on my past experiences and that of fellow farmers. The first DOC of 4000 was from zartech, they delivered 4000 to me and 4000 to my friend same day from the same hatchery, but when brooding started we got completely different result. while he recorded high early mortality, my mortality rate was near zero. So my point here is there are so many factor that can affect a flock at different times. The fact that you mill your own feed is always a flag when anything is happening with your flock, I have seen that time and time again. Farmer lets be wise.

AkayTopsy:


If you are really planning to mill, I would suggest you try Koudjis Concentrates. My broilers batches have been on Koudjis for almost a year and Yes! Zartech birds. And the result has been wonderful. That is not to say we never had challenges, but that would only be due to other factors not the feed.

Most of my broiler batches are out 6wks (+/- 3days), meaning sometimes I dispose them even b4 6weeks.

If you check the earlier posts sometimes this year we spoke about it and someone even posted the combination formular.

yemmit90:


Sorry about your lost, it is part of experience one need to become an expert in this field. Besides, some lessons has been learned from your post.

AkayTopsy:


If you are really planning to mill, I would suggest you try Koudjis Concentrates. My broilers batches have been on Koudjis for almost a year and Yes! Zartech birds. And the result has been wonderful. That is not to say we never had challenges, but that would only be due to other factors not the feed.

Most of my broiler batches are out 6wks (+/- 3days), meaning sometimes I dispose them even b4 6weeks.

If you check the earlier posts sometimes this year we spoke about it and someone even posted the combination formular.

endy247:
@afosoft congrats on ur birds, are u photostimulating them? d livestock feed u are using did u start using it from wen they were DOC, and how many bags are d 2800 birds consuming in a day?

bosaty2003:
Dear House,
1. Please I need a pen size that can house 5,000 birds in a deep liter system.
2. total cost of pen construction if iron is used as a pillar of the pen

I will appreciate a feed back urgently.

well done guys.

pharmmylovey:


Thanks a lot for this contribution. What about the livability of Obasanjo birds? The feeds issue how many weeks of starter and finisher. Did you need to add indomie? and pls how many bags of top feeds did they consume to reach that weight. Thanks.

philchudi:
Hello!
I really appreciate what's going on in this tread. please I really need ur help. I wannt to venture into this business immediately I am done with my final year exams. I have even started building my farm but the rate of mortality I have seen in this tread is getting me scared.
My first experience with the bus before skul was not a better one. though I have learnt that it was the accommodation. Please I need where I can get practical training on this probably near Enugu. Also, using loan(though without interest) will it be too risky?. I planned to go into players.

davidzfarm18:


The poultry feed industry is facing serious challenge due to increase in exchange rate. increasing cost of local raw materials and the competition(largely on prices
some.
In my area for example. Farmers have complain seriously about drop in production using top feed and vital feed. late last yr , it was animal care when they tried to substitute for soyer due to it's unavailability.
That why we need to come together in this forum and fashion out the most effective means of solving the Fred challenge which constitute more than 70% of our cost of production.
It's time to look inward and tap into the most important potential we have on our inside as a forum.
Remain ever blessed.

fnk:


So which feed do you use do you compound it yourself? what formula do you use?

fnk:


Talking about mortality, that is why I as specific about OBJ OTA farm, from Ibadan, the mortality for me was very high and that was why I switched to Zatech. But trying Obj OTA farm DOC and using top feed the result has been great. as at my 5 weeks they weigh 1.4kg. and the feed consumption is about 4-5kg to reach 2-2.5kg live bird. We do started for the first 3 weeks and finisher the last 3 weeks to get 2 kg live in 6 weeks. We used to use grower for 2 weeks after the 3 weeks starter, but we stopped that.

Thanks a bunch. The experience I had with Obasanjo birds is horrible. So I am scared of their birds. Where is this other one in Ota and how do I make a booking?

Thanks a bunch

I don't know about indomie ooo!!! please house help with this one.

AkayTopsy:


I use the Koudjis Concentrate to mill my feed. Below is the the formular as given by the company.

I copied this from the original post by Kelvin96 on page130

kelvin96:As regard how to mix the KBC 10, Starter 0 - 17 days; kbc10 125 kg, maize 600 kg, soya meal 275 kg.Grower 17 - 37 days; kbc10 100 kg, maize 650 kg, soya meal 250 kgFinisher after 37 days; kbc10 80 kg, maize 695 kg, soya meal 225 kg.There is another one called kbc30 Starter Maize: 650kbc30: 350Finisher: 650Kbc30: 300Wheat Offal: 50And for Galdus , it is a prestarter feed directly from holland, made by koudijs.It helps the birds builds their digestive trait.You can read more about it herehttp://www.koudijs.deheus.com/feed-solutions/poultry/day-old-chicks@grownaira, the 2kg i talked about is live weight.

davidzfarm18:


The poultry feed industry is facing serious challenge due to increase in exchange rate. increasing cost of local raw materials and the competition(largely on prices
some.
In my area for example. Farmers have complain seriously about drop in production using top feed and vital feed. late last yr , it was animal care when they tried to substitute for soyer due to it's unavailability.
That why we need to come together in this forum and fashion out the most effective means of solving the Fred challenge which constitute more than 70% of our cost of production.
It's time to look inward and tap into the most important potential we have on our inside as a forum.
Remain ever blessed.

fnk:


I am only dealing with broilers, will this also work for it.

kelvin96:


Yes it will work( even though the doc is from a low hatchery).. and it works better if you start them with galdus for the first 7days.


Goodluck

EZEUDENE:

kelvin u mean with just maize and soya meal u will compound broilers feed or is there any other thing to put?please answer me urgently

fnk:


Talking about mortality, that is why I as specific about OBJ OTA farm, from Ibadan, the mortality for me was very high and that was why I switched to Zatech. But trying Obj OTA farm DOC and using top feed the result has been great. as at my 5 weeks they weigh 1.4kg. and the feed consumption is about 4-5kg to reach 2-2.5kg live bird. We do started for the first 3 weeks and finisher the last 3 weeks to get 2 kg live in 6 weeks. We used to use grower for 2 weeks after the 3 weeks starter, but we stopped that.

I don't know about indomie ooo!!! please house help with this one.