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Brown Vs Yaradau by babasin(m): 4:14pm On Jul 05, 2007
UK:
New UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown had a new cabinet at work barely 24 hours after taking over in Downing Street.

Nigeria
It has been two-and-a-half months since Umaru Yar'Adua was rigged as Nigeria's new president, yet no cabinet!

Above is simple reason why things work in UK and things dont work in Nigeria!
grin cheesy grin
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Mamajama(m): 4:27pm On Jul 05, 2007
babasin Thank you . I asked the same question a month ago and people keep saying the administration is fairly new, and we should give him time. How pathetic, what has his camp been doing all this time?
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Mamajama(m): 6:04pm On Jul 05, 2007
It has been two-and-a-half months since Umaru Yar'Adua was elected as Nigeria's new president.

He was sworn in six weeks ago, but Mr Yar'Adua is yet to announce his cabinet - a delay that is crippling government business.

The contrast with new UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who had a new cabinet at work barely 24 hours after taking over in Downing Street, couldn't be more stark.

This reflects the difficulties of governing Africa's most populous nation - which has for the first time since independence experienced the successful transfer of power from one elected leader to another.

But the fact that Mr Yar'Adua has been grappling with a list of more than 100 politicians has not helped matters either.

Delays

Mr Yar'Adua asked each of Nigeria's 36 governors to nominate three candidates.


Olusegun Obasanjo handpicked Yar'Adua and still runs the PDP

The delay in whittling this down has also left many Nigerians questioning the style of the new government.

With no ministers, the job of running Africa's most populous nation is left to a small kitchen cabinet and a handful of aides inherited from his predecessor, former President Olusegun Obasanjo.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6266874.stm
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Tornadoz(m): 6:50pm On Jul 05, 2007
Can't compare Brown with Yar'Adua, Brown has been ruling Britain through his proxy since '97.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Afam(m): 6:58pm On Jul 05, 2007
It is not the speed that matters it is how well the cabinet performs. Afterall he was part of the cabinet under Blair that supported the illegal invasion of Iraq so how can we talk about things working in the UK and not in Nigeria based on how fast a cabinet can come up?

If it takes Yar'adua 6 months to come up with a cabinet that will move Nigeria forward it is all well and good.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Mamajama(m): 7:12pm On Jul 05, 2007
Afam can you run a government without deputies? who has been running all the ministries? or people just choose to go to work when they can? when the cat is not at home the mouse will come out to play it's a fact. why must it takes this long for Mr president to come up with a list? Nigerians has no time to wait for a slow ride, it's time for action. In all fairness we can't compare Nigeria to England, but we must start acting fast. what was Yar Adua and all his adverser doing prior to the election? shouldn't he have been well prepared and designate a personnel to oversea this matter?
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Tornadoz(m): 7:21pm On Jul 05, 2007
@Mamajama
what was Yar Adua and all his adverser doing prior to the election? shouldn't he have been well prepared and designate a personnel to oversea this matter?
If you were told before the election that Yar' Adua had prepared a list of ministerial appointees won't you have thought the election was a foregone conclusion? Give the man time to draw up a list that will improve the lives of Nigerians.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by McKren(m): 7:29pm On Jul 05, 2007
Yaradua promised to declare an energy emergency, 1 full month into government no one knows the energy minister let alone having an energy policy. And people think we should be patient.

finally the list comes out it is filled with political jobbers from all geo-political zones, who says every new President will first pacify politicians for 4years before he starts doing the right thing.

At the rate we are going most Nigerians will loose a greater percentage of their productive life because we are adopting a policy of 4year on-the-job-training for every new President on an 8year tehure.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Mamajama(m): 8:08pm On Jul 05, 2007
I guess we should give him all the time he needs, and in 4 years he will be begging for more time to finish his job. how insane
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by initiator(m): 10:46pm On Jul 05, 2007
I totally agree with McKren. Yaradua "won" the election on april 21 and was sworn in on may 29. He had more than 1 month to kickstart the ministerial process. The list is coming way too late considering that the list still has to go through ministerial screening and posibly some bribery wahala. One of the daily named the benin-ore highway as the worst in the world, i just got light here after 5 days! Even yaradua admited in ghana that at the micro level nigs are suffering - what about the energy emergency? The guy needs more spring to his step even as he strikes me as one with promise. No be promise we go chop. Governance is an earnest business.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by denex: 11:07pm On Jul 05, 2007
So was this Brown man elected too or was he selected?
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by DisGuy: 11:09pm On Jul 05, 2007
Mr Yar'Adua asked each of Nigeria's 36 governors to nominate three candidates.

If they dont nominate within 24hours theres nothing much he can do  undecided




Yaradua promised to declare an energy emergency, 1 full month into government no one knows the energy minister let alone having an energy policy. And people think we should be patient.
There was a plan in place before he got into the seat, theres absolutely no reason to declare a state of emergency if the plan is IN PROCESS- they are already implementing strategies that took several years and billions of dollars to come up with. if he declares a state of emergency now especially when there are no major clogs in teh wheel then we will be back to square!

finally the list comes out it is filled with political jobbers from all geo-political zones, who says every new President will first pacify politicians for 4years before he starts doing the right thing.
im sure he didnt make the list himself  undecided Gordon Brown's cabinet is made up of Labour members, yaraduas cabinet will mainly be members of FeeDeeFee; its somewhat inevitable that they'll be recyled old imcompetent money hungry politicians.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by McKren(m): 11:51pm On Jul 05, 2007
Dis guy

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Mr Yar'Adua asked each of Nigeria's 36 governors to nominate three candidates.

If they don't nominate within 24hours theres nothing much he can do

Sorry but not sure how accurate that is, section 147 of the constitution gives the President the right to appoint his Ministers provided it is done in respect to Federal Character and the person in question is qualified to contest House of Reps (which basically translates into him being over 30 years/ a citizen of Nigeria/ Not a lunatic etc )

So Yaradua did not need to delegate his appointment duties to Governors all he needs to do was to ensure every state is represented in his cabinet.


im sure he didnt make the list himself Gordon Brown's cabinet is made up of Labour members, yaraduas cabinet will mainly be members of FeeDeeFee; its somewhat inevitable that they'll be recyled old imcompetent money hungry politicians.
Sorry Labour did not choose Browns cabinet, The Prime Minister of Britain on assumption of office recieves full authority from the queen to form a Government. While consultaions are made, the final call is the Prime Minister's that is why Blair loyalists like John Reid, Magarett Becket and Patricia Hewitt had to resign.


Let it not be that am once again being harsh or impatient with the new President, but what makes me sick is the illusion that as President of Nigeria you will please everybody. If you are able to please everyone then know that you have simply avoided the tough decisions that will move the country forward.

So the whole talk of Listening President, reconcilation, Government of National Unity simply makes me sick. He should get on with the job and stop wasting time.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by DisGuy: 12:27am On Jul 06, 2007
Sorry but not sure how accurate that is, section 147 of the constitution gives the President the right to appoint his Ministers provided it is done in respect to Federal Character and the person in question is qualified to contest House of Reps (which basically translates into him being over 30 years/ a citizen of Nigeria/ Not a lunatic etc )

So Yaradua did not need to delegate his appointment duties to Governors all he needs to do was to ensure every state is represented in his cabinet.
I think the constitution already ensures he pleases everyone to an extent with this 'federal character'
2. one of the best way to ensure he every state is representated is by approaching their governors/representative right?

Sorry Labour did not choose Browns cabinet, The Prime Minister of Britain on assumption of office recieves full authority from the queen to form a Government. While consultaions are made, the final call is the Prime Minister's that is why Blair loyalists like John Reid, Magarett Becket and Patricia Hewitt had to resign.
I know there is no election yet but the bottomline is that as the prime minister all or majority of his cabinet are labour party members, the president have to pass the list through the senate and if they reject them theres absolutely nothing he can do,s o it will be back to sqaure one

So the whole talk of Listening President, reconcilation, Government of National Unity simply makes me sick.  He should get on with the job and stop wasting time.
when baba obj set bobby trap for you, rise vat 100%, increased fuel by N10, everyone pumping their chest to get some piece of the action you can't do much really except you're a dictator
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by denex: 4:27am On Jul 06, 2007
I say, shebi this Gordon Brown man was elected abi he was selected as Prime Minister. Since we are comparing his government with that of Yar.
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Afam(m): 9:30am On Jul 06, 2007
Nigerians are the most difficult set of people to please.

Yar'adua is taking time to select a cabinet he is being accused of being slow. If he selected his cabinet overnight he would have been accused of being to fast and hasty.

Yar'adua is busy reconciling with political opponents he is accused of wasting time and makes some people sick. If he had ignored the political opponents he would have been accused of carrying on OBJ's fight.

Yar'adua is trying to form a unity government and it makes some sick. If he had ignored the opposition he would have been accused of not taking time to reconcile especially with the petitions flying around everywhere.

Prior to and during the last NLC strike he was accused of not talking. If he had talked he would have been accused of fighting everybody.

Now, we see a leader who is taking his time to get things right and we are impatient. Tomorrow if he takes very fast and hasty decisions the same people will complain and ask what the rush is for.

Now, someone stated that trying to please everyone is not the way to go and will not allow him take the important decisions. But OBJ was known to take very difficult decisions without bothering to please everyone and a lot of people hated him for that.

Is there a set of rules or guidelines that will be acceptable to all Nigerians as regards how our leaders should act, behave, take decisions?

Since every blame or praise will eventually be heaped at his doorstep it is indeed proper for us to allow him run his government the way he wants as long as he is doing so within the dictates of the constitution.

Why do we accept standards that are even low in some countries where Nigerians reside but when it comes to Nigeria we set the highest standards not known to be adhered to by any nation?
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by babasin(m): 11:23am On Jul 06, 2007
the point is made:

as you made your bed, so you lay on it!

Nigeria is hell because her 'leaders' made it so and the people accept it


grin cool grin
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by vigasimple(m): 10:28pm On Jul 08, 2007
There is something not quite right with this man Yar adua and taking over 1 month to get ministers list together.

Let look a the equation, he has 48 months in office (1st Term) and he will start to campaign or election in top gear in 36 months, strike here strike there, it is down to 24 months.

Any good leader would always have plans ready for win or lose the election, so it doesn't matter, he should have ordered state to submitt names within 3 days and by the clsoe of the ist week all names are ready, any amendement should be done further 2 days , by the 2nd week it is in the senate and decision within days.

slow motion and no motion sometimes are not too dfferent.

Energy emergency after one months where is it.

In the first place Yar adua was elecet/selected 21st April and has another 1 month before swearing in. He has more than enough time to get his act together.

You cannot lose 4-6 weeks in a 4years term of office doing practically nothing or shall we say receiving solidarity visits.

What is going on now is some shaddy transisiton(interim ministers) to chop there own for 6-12 weeks before the real ministers, so the lacuna will give the new minister excuse as the 'interim ministers' are just there to chop money to compenasate them for election. They are handpick by yar ardua and nothing to do with senate.


God will help us amen
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by sartorius(m): 11:08pm On Jul 08, 2007
it is unfair to compare and contrast btw the two
Re: Brown Vs Yaradau by Mamajama(m): 3:43am On Jul 09, 2007
This administration is slow and its unacceptable. ignorance of the law does not excused anyone from prosecution. How long have we all known YAR ADUA will win the election hands down. We need action and not promises or overseas trips.

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