@ogugua88,

Nice post. I disagree with most of your assertions, but I like the fire in your belly. I will not ask you to defend your opinion, because you are entitled to it. What I'd like to know however is where you got the notion that Donald Trump ever filed for bankruptcy, talk less of doing it twice. Let's separate facts from fiction here.

@ogugua88,

By the way, I wouldn't disqualify someone for the presidency just because they have a bankruptcy filing in their history. If anything, that demonstrates that he knows how to bounce back to success after experiencing failure. Abraham Lincoln was accustomed to constant failure before he became the President of the US.

^^it's common knowledge, actually.

@tpia,

^^it's common knowledge, actually.

It's a myth tpia, it is not true. Trump filing for bankruptcy is as real as Obama having a US birth certificate!!!

^^it's on wiki, it was on tv, it's in his biography, it's everywhere.

however, he tends to bounce back afterwards.

regardless if it was business bankruptcy or personal bankruptcy, it still happened.

@tpia,

There are many issues behind the bankruptcy stories. The bottom line however, is that he never declared bankruptcy. All his business loans were restructured and paid back.

And like you said, he is one accustomed to trials and tough times and knows ow to bounce back. I respect such people more than the many Trust Fund Babies and Husbands (Kerry for example) that are parading themselves around as big shots.

Here's your proof:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250

We all know that rich and famous people get out of any hole they dig themselves fairly easily. Ie: Lindsay Lohan. The fact that they bounce back doesn't prove they're resilient but that they think they're above the law.

Now, my question is, have you read the American Consitution? I'll paste a very important part of the Constitution for you here

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Okay. With that being said:

1. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.



2. You don't believe that, so we'll use his mother, who was born in the United States. She gave birth to a son named Barack Obama, who, through his mother, is now eligible for US Citizenship. He never claimed Kenyan citizenship nor swore an oath to it so any chance of that expired when he turned 21.
3. When sworn in as president in January of 2009, he was 47 years old.
4. His 14 years as a resident have definitely been met because he's resided in the US since the 1970s lol.

I'm required to be a US citizen to work. If they doubt me, I show my birth certificate to where I applied. He didn't submit an application for presidency to Americans but to the DNC. I doubt he could slip past them. Even if he did, Hillary Clinton would've shredded him for it during the primaries.

Sooooo, what now? Your president is American. Face it

@ogugua88,

1. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Is that so?  Have you seen his birth certificate?

I had to renew my son's passport last year at the age of five.  I went to the passport office without a copy of his birth certificate and was told they needed a copy to produce the Passport.  I was told I didn't have to go back home to pick his original birth certificate.  For $16, they made me a copy of the original certificate immediately.

So I ask myself the question.  Why can't Obama produce his?  Why produce a certified copy of live birth instead of a real birth certificate?  Is there something in that certificate he does not want us to see?  Aren't you curious too?

By the way, what does it mean to be a "natural born citizen" of the US?  Did you know that McCain has American parents but his eligibility to be president was questioned because of this "natural born citizenship" you refer to? That you have American parents does not make you a "natural born citizen"!

I gave you a newspaper clipping. Is that no longer a primary source?

President Obama did produce his. He produced it to those that needed to see it: the Democratic National Committee. Since when do we, citizens, review the qualifications of our presidents? When I say review it, I mean as in receiving and reviewing a potential candidate's applications and documents. I'm not curious at all. If you don't think he was born in Hawaii, then where do you think he was born?

Yes, I'm very aware. Senator McCain was born on a US Navy base in Panama, which is still considered the United States. He wasn't questioned by me

He was questioned by people who would rather worry about issues that do not concern their well-being. You see, whilst the Birthers have been fighting a dead issue, I, along with millions of others, have been jubilating for having health insurance again. I don't understand how people can try and fight his healthcare reform. I was devastated when I was dropped from my parents' coverage. No more checkups at the optometrist, no more cleanings and visits at the dentist, and no more physical exams at the doctor's office. As a student, I couldn't afford to go and pay out of pocket. Luckily I'm fine. I went to the optometrist's office last week; my sight hasn't changed since my last visit in 2008. I visited a doctor; everything went well. Imagine if I contracted some ailment or needed a root canal. Politicians are very disconnected, but republicans always seem to be moreso from my personal experience. If it wasn't for healthcare reform, a lot of us would have remained stranded with nowhere to turn. I'm sure you're aware of how insurance companies love to slam their doors in the faces of Americans, sick or not lol.

Senator Jon Kyl said a few weeks ago that Planned Parenthood's services are 90% abortions. That's not just a lie but a superlie. He was talking without any kind of proof to back him up, much like Donald Trump.

To answer your citizenship question, I said having a mother with American citizenship makes him eligible for American citizenship himself lol. The Constitution says a natural born citizen, like John McCain, or a citizen of the United States. I, personally, think President Obama is a natural born citizen. Since you don't, however, here is what is required to become a citizen of the United States as a child:

"A child automatically becomes a U.S. citizen when all of the following conditions have been met under section 320 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended by the Child Citizenship Act (CCA):

1.) At least one parent of the child is a U.S. citizen, whether by birth or naturalization.
2.) The child is under the age of 18 years.
3.) The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent based on a lawful admission for permanent residence."

My source: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d4c3a3ac86aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d4c3a3ac86aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Here is what is required to qualify for Naturalization:

"You May Qualify for Naturalization if:

1.) You have been a permanent resident for at least 5 years and meet all other eligibility requirements, please visit our General Path to Citizenship page for more information.
2.) You have been a permanent resident for 3 years or more and meet all eligibility requirements to file as a spouse of a U.S. citizen, please visit our For Spouses of U.S. Citizens page for more information.
3.) You have qualifying service in the U.S. armed forces and meet all other eligibility requirements. Visit the Military section of our website"

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d84d6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d84d6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

So, which one did he violate?

Would you look at what I just stumbled upon? President Obama has handed out his birth certificate!



http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110427/ts_yblog_theticket/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/27/6542064-president-obama-hands-out-birth-certificate-trump-takes-credit

Okay, what happens now?

^^^ It won't change anything for d hardened "birthers". Some will say it is fake, some will query why it took him so long to release it, others will allege some other grand conspiracy to hide d real truth. Just like all conspiracy thoery movements, they will find some thing else to use to propagate their theory.

Trump meanwhile will bask in d glow of d media attention he successfully managed to generate on a thoroughly stupid issue when gas prices are going up, unemployment is still high, d deficit is growing by d second, d Libyan adventure is getting more complex and Afghanistan is still a nightmare. Great job D Donald.

Conspiracy theories have a life of their own and are often impervious to facts and logic. It's a shame Americans are so misinformed that they think Obama was born in Kenya. For such a powerful country, it's citizens seem to be one of the most ignorant in the Western world.

Tayo-D is silly. And yes, 4 Play, Americans are the most ignorant and stupidest people on the planet.

@topic,

Congratulations to the Donald.  He achieved what no one else could - get Obama to release his birth certificate.  The Clintons tried to no avail, and Chris Matthews begged for it on national TV but none prevailed.  More grease to yah elbows.  Now we can move on to more important issues.

@ogugua88,

Obviously, that you are a citizen does not make you "naturally born".  This is the center of the issue being discussed.  Nobody said he or McCain were not citizens, the question was whether they were "naturally born".  Obama has finally put this to rest to a great extent by producing his birth certificate. I doubt it cost him $100 to make this happen.  If he could release his certificate of live birth and taxes publicly, why the reservation with the real deal?  It appears this was all politics.  Keeping his birth certificate away from public view worked for him politically until now. Public opinion has turned against his actions in that regard, hence the need by him to release the darn thing.

@4Play,

Conspiracy theories have a life of their own and are often impervious to facts and logic. It's a shame Americans are so misinformed that they think Obama was born in Kenya. For such a powerful country, it's citizens seem to be one of the most ignorant in the Western world.

First I do not know if there was any traction to the news that he was born in Kenya.  That notion may have been fed by information (true/false) that his paternal grandma said he was born there.  The undeniable proof of being born in the US is a birth certificate.  Obama just produced his after almost 4 years of public inquiry.  No one can argue that he wasn't born in the US in the face of this legal document.

[size=16pt]DONALD TRUMPS BANKRUPTCYS[/size]
THIS MOFO IS A FINANCIAL CRIMMINAL!


By 1990, the effects of recession left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. That put him at a disadvantage with competitors who used more of their own money to finance their projects, industry experts have said. Things were so bleak for Trump at this time that in the August 21, 1990 edition of the Jersey Record, columnist Mike Kelly wrote "If we still had debtors' prisons, Trump would be in the dungeon." Kelly added that "Donald Trump is a Third World Nation." Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy and the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal re-emerged from bankruptcy on Oct 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50% ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.

On Nov 2, 1992, the Trump Plaza Hotel was forced to file a prepackaged Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection plan after being unable to make its debt payments. Under the plan, Trump agreed to give up a 49 percent stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. In return Trump would receive more favorable terms on the remaining $550+ million owed to the lenders and retain his position as chief executive, though he would not be paid and would not have a role in day-to-day operations.

By 1994, Trump had eliminated a large portion of his $900 million personal debt and reduced significantly his nearly $3.5 billion in business debt. While he was forced to relinquish the Trump Shuttle (which he had bought in 1989), he managed to retain Trump Tower in New York City and control of his three casinos in Atlantic City. Chase Manhattan Bank, which lent Trump the money to buy the West Side yards, his biggest Manhattan parcel, forced the sale of a parcel to Asian developers. According to former members of the Trump Organization, Trump did not retain any ownership of the site's real estate - the owners merely promised to give him about 30 percent of the profits once the site was completely developed or sold. Until that time, the owners wanted to keep Trump on to do what he did best: build things. They gave him a modest construction fee and a management fee to oversee the development. The new owners also allowed him to put his name on the buildings that eventually rose on the yards because his well-known moniker allowed them to charge a premium for their condos.

In 1995, he combined his casino holdings into the publicly held Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts. Wall Street drove its stock above $35 in 1996, but by 1998 it had fallen into single digits as the company remained profitless and struggled to pay just the interest on its nearly $2 billion in debt. Under such financial pressure, the properties were unable to make the improvements necessary for keeping up with their flashier competitors.

Problems loomed for Trump's casino resorts. In a May 28, 2004, Wall Street Journal article, Trump said the specter of bankruptcy bothered him "from a psychological standpoint," but added, "it really wouldn't matter that much." A number of his bondholders disagreed. In the same article, Meyer Marvald, a Florida retiree who said he owned about $44,000 of the bonds, claimed "[Trump] has the Sword of Damocles hanging over our heads." On October 21, 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts announced a restructuring of its debt. The plan called for Trump's individual ownership to be reduced from 56 percent to 27 percent, with bondholders receiving stock in exchange for surrendering part of the debt. Since then, Trump Hotels has been forced to seek voluntary bankruptcy protection to stay afloat. After the company applied for Chapter 11 Protection in November, 2004, Trump relinquished his CEO position but retained a role as Chairman of the Board. In May, 2005 the company re-emerged from bankruptcy as Trump Entertainment Resorts Holdings

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Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., real estate tycoon Donald Trump's casino group, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Tuesday morning, court documents show.

The petition listed less than $50 million in assets and nearly $500 million in debt, according to a petition filed today in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Camden, New Jersey.

The company's board was scheduled to meet late Monday night to decide whether to authorize the filing. It is believed the casino operator would have otherwise been forced into bankruptcy involuntarily by creditors.

The filing marked the third appearance in bankruptcy court for Trump Entertainment, which most recently emerged from bankruptcy proceedings in 2005.

The board meeting follows months of negotiations between the real-estate mogul and his casino group's bondholders, who had given the company several waivers to delay an interest payment due late last year. Late last week, the bondholders told the company they would seek an involuntary bankruptcy proceeding to force the company into Chapter 11.

Trump, founder of the company, resigned as chairman of the board late Friday night, saying he disagreed with the actions of bondholders, many of which backed the casino when it exited bankruptcy last time. His daughter, Ivanka Trump, also resigned from the board.



Trump holds 28 percent of the company's stock, according to a recent filing. Shares of Trump Entertainment Resorts trade at around 23 cents, down from more than $4 a year ago.

"Some time ago, I made an offer to buy the company in the hopes that I might be able to reverse its fortunes, but the bondholders turned me down," said Trump, in a statement.

"Now I will study and watch as the horrible and outrageous fees being paid to lawyers and consultants will suck the blood from the company. , These are very tough times in Atlantic City. Almost every company is in serious financial trouble. Despite this, I will be watching closely and at some point in the future, I hope to return," Trump added.

Trump Entertainment Resorts missed a bond payment of $53 million due earlier this year saying it needed to conserve cash. The latest waiver from bondholders expires Tuesday morning.


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The casino operator isn't related to Trump's real-estate holdings in New York, Chicago and elsewhere. But the casinos can continue to use Trump's name, despite his departure and any bankruptcy proceedings.

The company operates the Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort and Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino on Atlantic City's Boardwalk, and the Trump Marina Hotel Casino in Atlantic City's Marina District. It agreed to sell Trump Marina Hotel Casino last May but the deal still hasn't closed.

A spokeswoman for Trump Entertainment declined to comment.

Trump Entertainment has a total of $1.25 billion in bond debt. It also has about $500 million in bank debt.

Most of the casino industry is laboring under heavy debt, as consumers have cut back on casino visits and spending in the past year. Major Las Vegas casino companies like Harrah's Entertainment Inc., MGM Mirage and Las Vegas Sands Corp. have been forced to sell properties at big discounts, cut thousands of employees and halt planned development. At least one operator, Station Casinos Inc., is contemplating bankruptcy protection.

But Atlantic City has been struggling much longer. It has been battered by competition and a fading image as new casinos have emerged and expanded in neighboring states like Pennsylvania, New York and Connecticut.

Atlantic City posted the biggest drop in gambling revenue in its history in December, with an 18.7 percent decline from a year earlier. According to state regulators, the city's casinos posted a 9.4 percent decline in January.

Several Atlantic City casinos are in severe distress. The Tropicana is up for sale in bankruptcy court, and Resorts Atlantic City is facing foreclosure.

Atlantic City's older casinos have had a tough time competing against new luxury properties. One exception: Trump's Taj Mahal, which recently added a luxury tower. The casino posted a revenue increase of nearly 10 percent in January, compared with a year earlier.

Trump Entertainment has hired the law firm of Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP as bankruptcy counsel and Lazard Ltd. as financial advisers.

Bondholders have hired the law firm of Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP as bankruptcy counsel. They also have hired the investment-banking firm of Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin as financial advisers.

The Wall Street Journal contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494146,00.html#ixzz1KlLKtA00

I am  not a fan of obama's economic or foreign policies by any stretch of the imagination, but this witch hunt that has been going on under the hysterical direction of the most right wing racist elements in america aka the birthers   is sickening to behold, the real issue for many of these lunatics is the fact that they simply can not come to terms with a black man being their president, it is so obvious.  These people are so enraged at a black man leading what they see as a white nation that they are prepared to do just about anything to humiliate him, some of the comments ive read on some forums demonstrate just how much these people hate him not because of his economic or foreign policies but because of the colour of his skin - its sickening.  You would think americans would be focusing on much more important issues like their rising unemployment, staggering deficit , weak dollar and the fact that China's economy will officially overtake them by 2016, but no these deranged racists would prefer to spend their time agonising over Obama's birth certificate - i wish them luck

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZVaDpi3Io[/flash]

Tayo-D, either you're very s-t-u-p-i-d or a troll. Donald Trump is a piece of s--t, a race baiter, and probably a racist. Yes, I'm going to play the race card. How come no president before Barack Obama wasn't asked to produce a birth certificate, which he did before? There's no doubt the haters will find something else that is trivial to make Obama look like an evil man. Now, they want his college transcripts from Columbia and Harvard Universities. Is a black man going to these schools unrealistic to some? Cap28 is absolutely correct. These birthers don't like the idea of a black man named Barack Hussein Obama II being in the White House who happens to not be a butler. And if you try to deny this, then I know you are truly s-t-u-p-i-d and out of touch with reality and probably kiss white backside, if you are black. This non-issue is just that: a non-issue. The only people that were distracting from the real issues are Donald "I-have-a-great-relationship-with-the-blacks" Trump and the rest of the racist ilk. You want to go after Obama? Talk about his domestic and foreign policies. This myth is just that: a myth. By the way, Donald Trump put up a full page advertisement in the New York Times in 1989 calling for the execution of five young black men who were accused of despoiling a white woman in Central Park, even using racial language. Those five young men were found to be innocent due to DNA, but some still don't want to believe that. No, Trump, your combover-having a$$ never had a great relationship with "the blacks." You haven't apologized for that disgusting ad and you refer to black folks as "the blacks." F--k Donald Trump, f--k the birthers, f--k the white racists, and f--k you, Tayo-D.

A.D.M.:

Tayo-D, either you're very s-t-u-p-i-d or a troll. Donald Trump is a piece of s--t, a race baiter, and probably a racist. Yes, I'm going to play the race card. How come no president before Barack Obama wasn't asked to produce a birth certificate, which he did before? There's no doubt the haters will find something else that is trivial to make Obama look like an evil man. Now, they want his college transcripts from Columbia and Haravard Universities. Is a black man going to these schools is unrealistic? Cap28 is absolutely correct. These birthers don't like the idea of a black man named Barack Hussein Obama II being in the White House who happens to not be a butler. And if you try to deny this, then I know you are truly s-t-u-p-i-d and out of touch with reality and probably kiss white backside, if you are black. This non-issue is just that: a non-issue. The only people that were distracting from the real issues are Donald "I-have-a-great-relationship-with-the-blacks" Trump and the rest of the racist ilk. You want to go after Obama? Talk about his domestic and foreign policies. This myth is just that: a myth. By the way, Donald Trump put up a full page advertisement in the New York Times in 1989 calling for the execution of five young black men who were accused of despoiling a white woman in Central Park, even using racial language. Those five young men were found to be innocent due to DNA, but some still don't want to believe that. No, Trump, your combover-having a$$ never had a great relationship with "the blacks." You haven't apologized for that disgusting ad and you refer to black folks as "the blacks." F--k Donald Trump, f--k the birthers, f--k the white racists, and f--k you, Tayo-D.

ADM thank you for being the voice of reason (at last) sometimes when i read some of the comments that people make on this forum i have to shake my head in disbelief.

Even if you hadnt mentioned anything about Trump's track record with regard to blacks in america i knew he was a racist, i could smell racism from him a mile off.  Everything about this man is totally repugnant, here we have a known crook and bankrupt now acting as judge, jury and executioner over a man he sees as an easy target, dont get me wrong i totally can not stand what obama stands for and i am actually convinced that obama is a sociopath with no moral compass, however i can tell the difference between someone who is genuinely concerned about the well being of america and someone who is out on a witch hunt, Trump falls into the latter category.  This opportunist saw what he thought was a chink in obama's armour and he moved in for the kill.  Now he has the audacity to question obama's educational qualifications, when will it end? is this the price that obama has to pay to appease the baying racist dogs in america ?  Would Trump have dared to ask bush jnr - a draft dodger and  former drug addict about his educational qualifications? 

what makes the whole thing even more nauseating is that you have some people (Tayo D) on here actually thinking that this is all well intentioned.  How is it that any sane person would go as far as congratulating an opportunist and self publicist  like Trump for supposedly getting obama to disclose his birth certificate?  How is it that Trump, a man who had nothing but pure unmitigated malice in his heart for obama should be congratulated for such an act when it is obvious to even a person with no brain that Trump merely sought to humiliate and embarrass obama for having the temerity to be the president of a white nation.

There are many delusional black people in our midst, these are the kind of black people who have convinced themselves that whites see them as equals, they  are willing to excuse any kind of unacceptable behaviour meted out by whites to blacks in order to "get along" funnily enough they normally get what an african american comedian refers to as the  "nigger wake up call" which is where a delusional black person suddently finds himself on the receiving end of racism and the racist incident  is so glaring and so in your face that they have no choice other than to accept that racism is indeed alive and well, from that point onwards they awaken from their fairy tale world.

Trump is an out an out racist - it is written all over his face, there is no way you could not be a racist if you are part of that unhinged birther movement, i listened to one of them on the internet a few weeks ago, you could hear the contempt, the bitterness and the rage in his voice - he referred to obama's winning of the presidential elections as the biggest hoax ever perpetrated against the american people, i felt like saying to him - no the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against the american people was when your supposed founding fathers (who were all slaveowners, pirates and merchants ie oligarchs) bamboozled you into fighting a "war of independence" and then fooled you into believing that you live in a democracy.

These white american racists deserve whats coming to them, they say pride goes before a fall, its going to be very interesting to watch these people go into meltdown, i really do wonder how these racists will cope when the dollar finally collapses and the american economy goes into freefall.

@A.D.M.,

You must think you are very smart by calling someone s.tupid, right?

@cap28,

I am not surprised that you have joined in the insult. Insulting others have brought about an alliance of two depraved minds. Knock yourselves out!!

@topic,

I must say, the only thing that surprised me about Obama's birth certificate is that it does not indicate that he was born in a manger!

I agree with Tayo-D. The insults aren't necessary. You can get your opinions across just as effectively in a civilized manner.

Tayo-D:
@ogugua88,

Obviously, that you are a citizen does not make you "naturally born".  This is the center of the issue being discussed.  Nobody said he or McCain were not citizens, the question was whether they were "naturally born".

That's not true at all. There were people claiming President Obama to be a citizen of Indonesia, therefore, forfeiting his American citizenship. They may not have been at the forefront of the Birther movement, but they were there and will remain there I'm assuming.

Tayo-D:
Obama has finally put this to rest to a great extent by producing his birth certificate. I doubt it cost him $100 to make this happen.  If he could release his certificate of live birth and taxes publicly, why the reservation with the real deal?

If I apply for a job and my qualifications for said job are being scrutinized, the scrutiny should be coming from where I applied. If fellow coworkers, passersby, etc, have any questions, they take it to where I applied. The Birthers had an issue with his birth certificate. Any kind of documentation went to the DNC. That's where they should have gone. Maybe President Obama can shrug this incident from his shoulders. Personally, I cannot as it's quite humiliating. The reason I can't hate on republicans too much is because that party has done us some good. President Bush 41 and Senator John McCain (the version of McCain before he ran for office) were good men. As of late though, rather than to boast about their own credentials, the rip apart what someone else has. I'll mention John Kerry again. He fought in Vietnam as a Lieutenant and received prestigious awards, including three purple hearts. He was against the war when he ran. He and his awards were shredded by President Bush 43, someone who never fought a day in his life (AWOL) but started two wars. There are parallels to DT and his Birther thing here. George W. Bush was not prepared to be president or fight wars, yet he questioned and disqualified the valor of someone who fought in Vietnam and then returned and called for an end for the war as an advocate. Donald Trump, a smally, is questioning the Americanism, intelligence, and citizenship of the president of the United States. The audacity is appalling. DT doesn't even compare to the president. If he's nominated, I can't wait for the debates.

Tayo-D:
It appears this was all politics[b].  Keeping his birth certificate away from public view worked for him politically[/b] until now. Public opinion has turned against his actions in that regard, hence the need by him to release the darn thing.

It will continue working with him politically. I would've loved for him to hang onto his birth certificate just a little longer. I'm not disappointed or upset though. He gave conservatives/most republicans/Birthers enough rope to hang themselves. They're the ones looking like fools.

I do not recall the Clintons questioning President Obama's citizenship. I do remember, however, Clinton supporters sending the Clinton campaign group emails about his citizenship though. If the Clintons did question it, then do you care to provide something to back your claim? It's only fair as I've done so with most of my claims thus far.

I hope you're familiar with Orly Taitz? She's considered one of the leaders of the Birther movement. You mentioned Chris Matthews earlier so I can only hope you watched MSNBC today. She was on Lawrence O'donnell's show. Apparently, she had agreed to apologize on his show before hand, but that ended up being a lie. Surprise surprise. She went onto the show to use it as a platform to spew more nonsense. She refused to apologize and started mentioning other documents and went as far as saying that she would appeal the president's citizenship in court. It's funny that such nonsense could come from a Russian immigrant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVG772L1v_k

Donald Trump took credit for today's events. That should rile you/Birthers up, at least a little. All I heard from him was "Me, myself, and I". "I'm this", "I'm that". Just found a quote, even better:

"Today I'm very proud of myself, because I've accomplished something that no one else has been able to accomplish." -Donald Trump, 27 April 2011.

How egotistical is that? Seriously, that would make any person mad. You haven't had those moments where you try to open a jar or bottle? You twist at it for several minutes, then someone takes the jar or bottle for you and it pops open. I did most of the work. I twisted that bottle to make it easy for someone to finish the rest. That person does not get to take 100% credit for something I started. If I was a Birther, I would be a little disappointed in him for the statements he made today. I'm not though, so I could care less if they squabble amongst themselves or not.

I hope you watched the video of Trump today. A reporter held a copy of President Obama's birth certificate and he refused to look at it, even after the reporter had asked him if he had seen a copy and he replied "No, I haven't. I thought he was interested? This has been his issue since arriving into the "political" scene. Strange. What's even more strange is that Donald Trump said this birth certificate nonsense was distracting us from real issues and that now that the truth is out there, it's time to move onto more important things.

1. More important things just so happen to be President Obama's transcripts.
2. He added fuel to the Birther movement. Wouldn't that make him part of the distraction?

You may or may not disagree with President Obama's agenda. That should be what's at the forefront, but it's not. Since it's not, let's discuss the minuscule things boggling Donald Trump and his gang. Just as I knew, Trump and other conservatives have not apologised, refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is indeed just as American as they are, and are requesting for the president's college transcripts. I have some questions. Maybe you can answer since you seem to have the same train of thought as they do.

1. Is it that hard to comprehend that President Obama could attend Ivy League universities?
2. Will you/they question FLOTUS Michelle Obama's credentials?
3. Why didn't anyone question former President Bush about his transcripts? How did someone with barely a C average get into Yale?
4. John McCain finished five or so places from last in his class. Would you have liked to see his transcripts if he became president?

President Obama is not the first successful African American. Dr. Ben Carson, the world's best neurosurgeon, is African American. He attended an Ivy League university. Condoleeza Rice, as much as I disagreed with her when she served as Secretary of State under President Bush, is undeniably a bright African American woman. She graduated college before she was 20 and acquired her PhD early too. She attended Notre Dame and was a professor at Stanford, one of the best universities in the nation. Donald Trump should question their credentials. I'm begging him to do so.

My posts are always long. Sorry lol.

Trump is an opportunitist, I remember him and his wife accepting a lot of invitations from The Obama's to attend parties at the White House, when Obama was throwing parities left, right and centre when he was newly elected. Obama should have released his birth certficate a looooooog time ago, I hope Obama learns from it, I was shocked to hear Trump say The Clinton's also questioned Obama's country of origin, that goes to show the people that keep referring to Bill Clinton as a friend to black people, black peole need to realise these people use Black people when it suits them, they don't really give a toss about us but when they need us to vote, they claim to like us.

All I have seen in Trump ever since he raised the issue is hate for a black man called Obama bn his president. all I see is racism, he claimed in an interview about two weeks ago that he had sent investigators to Hawai and what they were seeing what shocking, maybe he would like to share whatever that is with the world world, all him and the Republicans are doing is to undermine Obama who is a bit weak at the moment, I was not happy with the way he dealt with libya, he was flip-flopping. Thank God, we will be seeiing less of Glen Beck, apparently he was pushed from Fox News due to a fall ratings and advertisers boycott.

i came across this video on youtube entitled - nigger show me your papers - i think it very succinctly encapsulates the mindset of Trump and his racist compatriots:

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Trump is a liar and a fraud, he will never go against the real power brokers ie  the people who put Obama in office in the first place - the zionist jews, he secretly does back room deals with them but out in the open he bamboozles gullible americans into beleiving he stands for something different:

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Okay, I apologize for the insults. You're right, the insults were not necessary. My apologies. But the insults are the only things I'm aplogizing for. I stand by the rest of my statement.

^ADM, nice move. I salute sir!

ogugua88, men, you sabi type oh!    I really enjoyed everything you had to say though, kudos!

@topic, Trump get am for ego sha. Lol. I don't blame him for basking in the glory now, its hard not to argue it was his relentless media-circuiting that made the WH finally release the dam thing. I've always said it shouldn't matter where one is born anyways - its who they are, and the character they display. I for one am sad to see this come to an end . . . I was really enjoying the show!!! Now we actually have to concentrate on the rising gas prices . It cost ~$30 to fill my tank when I first bought my car ~4yrs ago. Yesterday, I paid $47.29. Who do I send a thank you letter to?

As for Trump being a racist . . . common now. Surely we have some other cards in the deck besides the race card? Politics is and has always been a dirty, nasty business, with all kinds of cheap blows, low punches and witch-huntin' etc . . . being exchanged, only when it involves a black man we cry racism. Please lets stop this, and stop declaring any and every type of attack on a person of color as racism. Ahn ahn, we no dey tire to always dey play victim? Its a dog eat dog world, every politician takes advantage of who and what they can to get ahead - its certainly not unqiue to only 'exploiting' black folk.

JeSoul:

^ADM, nice move. I salute sir!

ogugua88, men, you sabi type oh!    I really enjoyed everything you had to say though, kudos!

@topic, Trump get am for ego sha. Lol. I don't blame him for basking in the glory now, its hard not to argue it was his relentless media-circuiting that made the WH finally release the dam thing. I've always said it shouldn't matter where one is born anyways - its who they are, and the character they display. I for one am sad to see this come to an end . . . I was really enjoying the show!!! Now we actually have to concentrate on the rising gas prices . It cost ~$30 to fill my tank when I first bought my car ~4yrs ago. Yesterday, I paid $47.29. Who do I send a thank you letter to?

As for Trump being a racist . . . common now. Surely we have some other cards in the deck besides the race card? Politics is and has always been a dirty, nasty business, with all kinds of cheap blows, low punches and witch-huntin' etc . . . being exchanged, only when it involves a black man we cry racism. Please lets stop this, and stop declaring any and every type of attack on a person of color as racism. Ahn ahn, we no dey tire to always dey play victim? Its a dog eat dog world, every politician takes advantage of who and what they can to get ahead - its certainly not unqiue to only 'exploiting' black folk.

Lol thanks. I'll try and make my responses shorter though. That was a bit of a block

You never suffer o! In fact I dey jealous you small lol. I don't have my own car; I drive my parents. One is a pickup truck, the other is an SUV two weeks ago I had a 10 cents off/gallon discount. To fill the truck, which is the smallest of the two, cost me $93.04. . .

I'm not a fan of the "race card" thing either, but if there's a time to use it legitimately, it's now. Like I said, George W. Bush was mediocre throughout his educational career, yet he attended Yale University, an ivy league university, and managed to get an MBA. George H.W. Bush said himself that he never expected George W. Bush to be president lol. He said out of all his sons, he thought it would be Jeb Bush, former governor of Florida. Bush made dumb decisions and life and continued to make dumb decisions in the WH lol. People didn't start speaking up until very late. As for President Obama, the hatred started the day he announced his candidacy. Am I wrong? He attended Occidental college, Columbia, and Harvard. The ferociousness of Donald Trump and his backers over President Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts isn't normal by any means. Yesterday, a reporter brought the birth certificate for Trump to see and he refused to look at it. In fact, he signed a last autograph and then left. Orly Taitz, who had been begging for Obama's birth certificate, refused to acknowledge it and went onto say she has yet another document proving President Obama is not a citizen. That is extreme hatred towards an African American. It's not coincidence, in my opinion, that intolerance, hate speech, and death threats sharply increased under an African American president. Maybe Donald Trump, himself, is not a racist. I think he's going about these things in such a manner, but maybe he's not. The people he represents, however, are racist. That's with fact. They call the president a monkey, the make monkey caricatures of him, emails, n*****, etc, all used against him. America has regressed and racism is rampant again. I've experienced it myself for support him and liberal policies.

They can't stand the fact that he's not a stereotypical African American. He has a beautiful family. He's there for his children. He plays basketball as a hobby and not as a profession lol. He no sabi dance. He was educated at some of the world's best schools and did well. The right will have to deal with the fact that Obama is not a statistic.

My wish would be for President Obama, First Lady Obama, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Dr. Ben Carson, and any other successful, educated, African American to hand over their transcripts to conservatives. Then I'd like Senator McCain, former President George W. Bush, Michelle Bachman and her fellow Birther senators, to hand over their own. I know who did better lol.

ogugua88:

Lol thanks. I'll try and make my responses shorter though. That was a bit of a block

  Oh no please, make them shorter only if you don't sacrifice quality . I like the way you state your case, its very well done sister.

You never suffer o! In fact I dey jealous you small lol. I don't have my own car; I drive my parents. One is a pickup truck, the other is an SUV two weeks ago I had a 10 cents off/gallon discount. To fill the truck, which is the smallest of the two, cost me $93.04. . .

Chai!   lol. And how is your gas mileage on that bad boy? ~15-20mpg right? Ehen now, when you guys were buying those mini-buses some of us went for smaller 4-cylinder cars lol. When una dey cry, me I go dey smile . . . umh except during the winter/snow storms. I did fill my husband's SUV the other day, ~$70 bucks. I promptly gave him his thing back lol.
 

I'm not a fan of the "race card" thing either, but if there's a time to use it legitimately, it's now. Like I said, George W. Bush was mediocre throughout his educational career, yet he attended Yale University, an ivy league university, and managed to get an MBA. George H.W. Bush said himself that he never expected George W. Bush to be president lol. He said out of all his sons, he thought it would be Jeb Bush, former governor of Florida. Bush made dumb decisions and life and continued to make dumb decisions in the WH lol. People didn't start speaking up until very late. As for President Obama, the hatred started the day he announced his candidacy. Am I wrong? He attended Occidental college, Columbia, and Harvard. The ferociousness of Donald Trump and his backers over President Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts isn't normal by any means. Yesterday, a reporter brought the birth certificate for Trump to see and he refused to look at it. In fact, he signed a last autograph and then left. Orly Taitz, who had been begging for Obama's birth certificate, refused to acknowledge it and went onto say she has yet another document proving President Obama is not a citizen. That is extreme hatred towards an African American. It's not coincidence, in my opinion, that intolerance, hate speech, and death threats sharply increased under an African American president. Maybe Donald Trump, himself, is not a racist. I think he's going about these things in such a manner, but maybe he's not. The people he represents, however, are racist. That's with fact. They call the president a monkey, the make monkey caricatures of him, emails, n*****, etc, all used against him. America has regressed and racism is rampant again. I've experienced it myself for support him and liberal policies.

They can't stand the fact that he's not a stereotypical African American. He has a beautiful family. He's there for his children. He plays basketball as a hobby and not as a profession lol. He no sabi dance. He was educated at some of the world's best schools and did well. The right will have to deal with the fact that Obama is not a statistic.

My wish would be for President Obama, First Lady Obama, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Dr. Ben Carson, and any other successful, educated, African American to hand over their transcripts to conservatives. Then I'd like Senator McCain, former President George W. Bush, Michelle Bachman and her fellow Birther senators, to hand over their own. I know who did better lol.

Nice response, honestly. Case well stated.

  I will readily and be among the first to submit that a portion of the anti-Obama crowd are definitely racist - 100% true, right & accurate. So I agree with your assessment that many are angry to see a successful black man in the highest office in the world - and will do whatever they can to undermine his presidency.
Look at all the presidents before Obama, there is always a percentage of their opponents that no matter what the President does, they will always criticize him - with unrelenting fervor and borderline hatred. This is true for every president that ever presided - and this is also true for Obama. It doesn't automatically make them racists - and at the same time doesn't make what they are any better than racists self. Hating for no good reason regardless of the reason all goes into the same bucket.

  You've personally experienced racism for supporting Obama, sorry ehn. Curious as to where you are though? Cos here in Boston, I tell you it seemed like an honor almost for many of the caucasians who voted for him. To be able to say they contributed to putting a black man in office. So while racism still exists and will always exist, I believe (and as we've seen with Obama getting into office) that the people that are not racists - far far outnumber those who are. And this should comfort the minds of reasonable people - whether they are Conservative or Liberal in their beliefs.

Ex. A reasonable person will see Obama's BC and then sit back down. An unreasonable person will continue pacing around the room looking for shadows.

^ . . . chai, see me self I can type! lol

The person that compared Donald to Dele insults Dele!

@A.D.M.

Okay, I apologize for the insults. You're right, the insults were not necessary. My apologies. But the insults are the only things I'm aplogizing for. I stand by the rest of my statement.

Oh my God. Just like Trump, I can boldly declare that I was able to get a nairalander to apologise for insulting another person. I have done a great service to humanity!!!

Jokes aside, I have to commend you for doing the right thing. I hope cap28 will also follow suit and apologise for the insults. Your salient points are duly noted. I bear no grudge against you for your opinion.

@ogugua88,

True talk, you sabi write phlenty. I do enjoy them even though I cannot reciprocate due to limited time and pure laziness!!

I see this John Kerry thing pain you no be small. But what has Bush got to do with it? It was John Kerry's companions and fellow soldiers that cast aspersion on his service. If you accuse Bush of not serving and sending people to war, you should be pointing same finger at Obama for his actions in Libya!

As to Bush's mediocre educational history, I can only say one thing - at least we know his history. Have you asked yourself why Obama's scores are not available for public consumption unlike Bush's? Obama was said to be a Professor of constitutional law and we do not have one single paper that he wrote for review. Isn't that strange to you? If you subject Obama to the same scrutiny as Bush, you will see that Obama is actually getting a big pass. Bush was also painted as a monkey and there was a movie depicting him being assassinated. Can you imagine the outrage if someone did the same for Obama?

This is nothing but political theatre. Get your popcorn, kick off your shoes and enjoy the viewing. It's political silly season!

Tayo I didnt insult you, i just expressed my extreme indignation at your unwillingness to see through the bullshit dog and pony show currently being orchestrated by Trump under the direction of the real power brokers in america - the zionist jews - THEY OWN YOUR MEDIA AND YOUR POLITICIANS INCLUDING OBAMA AND TRUMP.  OBAMA IS A SLAVE OF THE ZIONIST JEW POWER STRUCTURE AND THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX OF AMERICA HE HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE ECONOMIC OR FOREIGN POLICY OF AMERICA , in many ways i pity him, he can only follow orders - he is nothing more than a pawn in the hands of these people.