Benin or yorubas?

I'm asking for research purposes.

Benin of course

naso fight de take start

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Both Bini and Oba are Yoruba words.


1) The Bini word for king is OGIE.

In the Nation, Edo the words for kings are Ogie/Ovie/Ogiamen.

2) Oranmiyan introduced Obaship into Igodomingodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu (land of vexation) and this was later corrupted to Ubini and finally Benin by the Portuguese.
Before Oranmiyan reign in Bini, the deposed Dynastic kings were called OGISOs and not Oba.

3) Only the king of Bini, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan uses the Oba title in Edo State.

4) Different Yoruba Kings adopts appellations to make them unique from all other kings e.g Oluwo, Olubadan, Owa Obokun, Alake etc

Not just say one sentence that will bring confusion. Explain in detail.

omlueh:
Benin of course

I just don't know why bini people are denying their identity. Although the new king paid homage to ife .

oyatz:
Both Bini and Oba are Yoruba words.


1) The Bini word for king is OGIE.

In the Nation, Edo the words for kings are Ogie/Ovie/Ogiamen.

2) Oranmiyan introduced Obaship into Igodomingodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu (land of vexation) and this was later corrupted to Ubini and finally Benin by the Portuguese.
Before Oranmiyan reign in Bini, the deposed Dynastic kings were called OGISOs and not Oba.

3) Only the king of Bini, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan uses the Oba title in Edo State.

4) Different Yoruba Kings adopts appellations to make them unique from all other kings e.g Oluwo, Olubadan, Owa Obokun, Alake etc

bobogoat91:
Benin or yorubas?

I'm asking for research purposes.

I will break it down for you so that Benin people will break their own down and you'll choose one

Hugh clipperton documented some Yoruba words and their meaning when he visited oyo empire in the early 17th century one of them is OBAH and it meanings KING.

bobogoat91:
Benin or yorubas?

I'm asking for research purposes.

Kabiyesi does not mean King. It means - "there is no one like you"
Ooni which is short for "Oonirisha" does not mean King.
Alaafin does not mean King.
These are all just regional identifiers for various Obas.

What is King in Yoruba language is "Oba". The prmordial Yoruba Orisha "Obatala" means the "King of purity". Oba meaning king, and Ala meaning purity. There is also Obaluaye, Obalufon etc. All meaning King of different things/entities/concepts.


OBA in Yoruba means one who presides, reigns or in charge; the verb is 'ba' (to preside) while the noun is 'oba'. Hence, the names likes, Obasanjo, Obayemi, etc, also words like Ijoba(reign, ruling), Omoba(prince), Omobabinrin(Princess), etc.

Kabiyesi, Kabiesi is gotten from kabi ọ́ o si, meaning ' there is no one like you'. It's a praise word or greetings for Oba/king or God.

Oòni, Alaafin, Ewi, Ọwá, Olu.., Oni..., are different tittles for different Oba/king in Yorubaland to identify their territories. Linguistically, King simply means Oba.


I'm waiting for Benin version

Omoluabi1stborn:


Kabiyesi does not mean King. It means - "there is no one like you"
Ooni which is short for "Oonirisha" does not mean King.
Alaafin does not mean King.
These are all just regional identifiers for various Obas.

What is King in Yoruba language is "Oba". The prmordial Yoruba Orisha "Obatala" means the "King of purity". Oba meaning king, and Ala meaning purity. There is also Obaluaye, Obalufon etc. All meaning King of different things/entities/concepts.


OBA in Yoruba means one who presides, reigns or in charge; the verb is 'ba' (to preside) while the noun is 'oba'. Hence, the names likes, Obasanjo, Obayemi, etc, also words like Ijoba(reign, ruling), Omoba(prince), Omobabinrin(Princess), etc.

Kabiyesi, Kabiesi is gotten from kabi ọ́ o si, meaning ' there is no one like you'. It's a praise word or greetings for Oba/king or God.

Oòni, Alaafin, Ewi, Ọwá, Olu.., Oni..., are different tittles for different Oba/king in Yorubaland to identify their territories. Linguistically, King simply means Oba.


I'm waiting for Benin version

Insightful information, thanks for the education!

Hugh clipperton documented some Yoruba words and their meaning when he visited oyo empire in the early 17th century one of them is OBAH and it meanings KING.

Fash20:
Hugh clipperton documented some Yoruba words and their meaning when he visited oyo empire in the early 17th century one of them is OBAH and it meanings KING.

17th century is very recent.
Other tribes were using"Oba" to mean kingship or something close to that way before that period.

Omoluabi1stborn:


Kabiyesi does not mean King. It means - "there is no one like you"
Ooni which is short for "Oonirisha" does not mean King.
Alaafin does not mean King.
These are all just regional identifiers for various Obas.

What is King in Yoruba language is "Oba". The prmordial Yoruba Orisha "Obatala" means the "King of purity". Oba meaning king, and Ala meaning purity. There is also Obaluaye, Obalufon etc. All meaning King of different things/entities/concepts.


OBA in Yoruba means one who presides, reigns or in charge; the verb is 'ba' (to preside) while the noun is 'oba'. Hence, the names likes, Obasanjo, Obayemi, etc, also words like Ijoba(reign, ruling), Omoba(prince), Omobabinrin(Princess), etc.

Kabiyesi, Kabiesi is gotten from kabi ọ́ o si, meaning ' there is no one like you'. It's a praise word or greetings for Oba/king or God.

Oòni, Alaafin, Ewi, Ọwá, Olu.., Oni..., are different tittles for different Oba/king in Yorubaland to identify their territories. Linguistically, King simply means Oba.


I'm waiting for Benin version

According to you, Oba in yoruba means one who presides.. In Bini Oba means king..

Karanka:

17th century is very recent.
Other tribes were using"Oba" to mean kingship or something close to that way before that period.

Can you prove that? Can you cite a reference

Trace the history of both, Benin people had Ogiso empire, which metamorphosed into Oba dynasty. The Benin people already had a ruling dynasty, hence it makes sense that the more established dynasty/empire will influence the other lands with non established dynasty/kingship.

The story of the exiled Benin Prince Ekaladerhan starting the Oba kingship is more believable, Ekaladerhan gave birth to who the Yorubas call Oranmiyan. This is more believable than the story of mythical Oduduwa falling from the sky, whose son is Oranmiyan, giving birth via a Benin woman to bore the first Oba, how can a people already with a set of kingship and family members in line for the throne, just allow an outsider, come become their king?

All accounts by Yoruba historians stated that Oduduwa came from the East, and Benin sits on the East of Yoruba, looking at the map, all Yoruba historians agree that Oduduwa just appeared, was never born in Yoruba land...

Erelu Dosunmu and Oba of Lagos confirmed that they are ancestrally Benin.

oyatz:
Both Bini and Oba are Yoruba words.


1) The Bini word for king is OGIE.

In the Nation, Edo the words for kings are Ogie/Ovie/Ogiamen.

2) Oranmiyan introduced Obaship into Igodomingodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu (land of vexation) and this was later corrupted to Ubini and finally Benin by the Portuguese.
Before Oranmiyan reign in Bini, the deposed Dynastic kings were called OGISOs and not Oba.

3) Only the king of Bini, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan uses the Oba title in Edo State.

4) Different Yoruba Kings adopts appellations to make them unique from all other kings e.g Oluwo, Olubadan, Owa Obokun, Alake etc

Your narratives is a bit twisted

The story of the exiled Benin Prince Ekaladerhan, who settled in an area of the geographical area of Yoruba land, starting the Oba kingship is more believable.

Ekaladerhan gave birth to who the Yorubas call Oranmiyan. This is more believable than the story of mythical Oduduwa falling from the sky, whose son is Oranmiyan, giving birth via a Benin woman to bore the first Oba, how can a people already with a set of kingship and family members in line for the throne, just allow an outsider, come become their king?

All accounts by Yoruba historians stated that Oduduwa came from the East, and Benin sits on the East of Yoruba, looking at the map, all Yoruba historians agree that Oduduwa just appeared, was never born in Yoruba land...

Erelu Dosunmu and Oba of Lagos confirmed that they are ancestrally Benin.

One Question...was Oduduwa Yoruba?
Did you believe the myth that Oduduwa came from the Sky?

I will rather believe the Benin exiled Prince is Oduduwa narrative.

Benin (Beny) is a Portuguese name after which was named the Bight of Benin in view of its political, economic influence and value by the Portuguese on trade missions.

(Papiva da Beny) which in Portuguese meant broad road of the city of Benin.

Papiva was corrupted to Akpakpava, the road that once housed the Catholic Cathedral established in the 15th century, now known as Aruosa Church where the Oba occasionally worships.

mediainc:


Your narratives is a bit twisted

The story of the exiled Benin Prince Ekaladerhan, who settled in an area of the geographical area of Yoruba land, starting the Oba kingship is more believable.

Ekaladerhan gave birth to who the Yorubas call Oranmiyan. This is more believable than the story of mythical Oduduwa falling from the sky, whose son is Oranmiyan, giving birth via a Benin woman to bore the first Oba, how can a people already with a set of kingship and family members in line for the throne, just allow an outsider, come become their king?

All accounts by Yoruba historians stated that Oduduwa came from the East, and Benin sits on the East of Yoruba, looking at the map, all Yoruba historians agree that Oduduwa just appeared, was never born in Yoruba land...

Erelu Dosunmu and Oba of Lagos confirmed that they are ancestrally Benin.

One Question...was Oduduwa Yoruba?
Did you believe the myth that Oduduwa came from the Sky?

I will rather believe the Benin exiled Prince is Oduduwa narrative.

Try to know the differences between myths , legends and histories.

The myths of ancestors falling from the sky can be found in Yoruba Mythology ,Bini Mythology (Ogiso= kings from the sky), Igbo Mythology (Eri Mythology) ,Roman, Greek, Egyptian and myths from all over the world.


Nether Oduduwa nor the Ogisos nor oranmiyan were Yorubas or Edo.

These ethnic groups emerged over time from the descendants of the these people.

mediainc:


Your narratives is a bit twisted

The story of the exiled Benin Prince Ekaladerhan, who settled in an area of the geographical area of Yoruba land, starting the Oba kingship is more believable.

Ekaladerhan gave birth to who the Yorubas call Oranmiyan. This is more believable than the story of mythical Oduduwa falling from the sky, whose son is Oranmiyan, giving birth via a Benin woman to bore the first Oba, how can a people already with a set of kingship and family members in line for the throne, just allow an outsider, come become their king?

All accounts by Yoruba historians stated that Oduduwa came from the East, and Benin sits on the East of Yoruba, looking at the map, all Yoruba historians agree that Oduduwa just appeared, was never born in Yoruba land...

Erelu Dosunmu and Oba of Lagos confirmed that they are ancestrally Benin.

One Question...was Oduduwa Yoruba?
Did you believe the myth that Oduduwa came from the Sky?

I will rather believe the Benin exiled Prince is Oduduwa narrative.

Benin (Beny) is a Portuguese name after which was named the Bight of Benin in view of its political, economic influence and value by the Portuguese on trade missions.

(Papiva da Beny) which in Portuguese meant broad road of the city of Benin.

Papiva was corrupted to Akpakpava, the road that once housed the Catholic Cathedral established in the 15th century, now known as Aruosa Church where the Oba occasionally worships.

Did this Ekarlederan has two lived in both Ughotton and Ileife ?

Contrary to your assumption , oduduwa was not the father of Oranmiyan. Infact, Oba-lufon ogbogboodirin was the Olufe in11thcentury during Oranmiyan espionage and partial conquestest of Biniland Igodomigodo from Ileiefe.
The same 11th century was when Ekarleradan lived to found Ughotton

This is the reason Oba Bini does not have original beaded crown from ileife. The orient sword called Agada is the power he uses as a symbol of son of Oranmiyan from Ileife.

Infact Agada sword belonged to the house of oduduwa and also coopted cum assimiliated family to use it, which started after Oranmiyan return to Ileife to become ooni. . This is the sword given to oduduwa descendant princes to establish new kingdoms.

Edos trying so hard from time immemorial to erase glaring historical fact with absolute failure on their part.

Olu317:
Did this Ekarlederan has two lived in both Ughotton and Ileife ?

Contrary to your assumption , oduduwa was not the father of Oranmiyan. Infact, Oba-lufon ogbogboodirin was the Olufe in11thcentury during Oranmiyan espionage and partial conquestest of Biniland Igodomigodo from Ileiefe.
The same 11th century was when Ekarleradan lived to found Ughotton

This is the reason Oba Bini does not have original beaded crown from ileife. The orient sword called Agada is the power he uses as a symbol of son of Oranmiyan from Ileife.

Infact Agada sword belonged to the house of oduduwa and also coopted cum assimiliated family to use it, which started after Oranmiyan return to Ileife to become ooni. . This is the sword given to oduduwa descendant princes to establish new kingdoms.

Edos trying so hard from time immemorial to erase glaring historical fact with absolute failure on their part.

You didn't prove the fallacy with these narrative you shared. I rather believe reality than myths. The conquest you stated is a figment of your tribalistic and biased imagination. No such record or narratives exists. You are one of those going to Wikipedia to twist facts with myths and your own fabrications, continue. We know where our kingship started from Ogiso dynasty, way before the Oduduwa episode.

mediainc:

You didn't prove the fallacy with these narrative you shared. I rather believe reality than myths. The conquest you stated is a figment of your tribalistic and biased imagination. No such record or narratives exists. You are one of those going to Wikipedia to twist facts with myths and your own fabrications, continue. We know where our kingship started from Ogiso dynasty, way before the Oduduwa episode.

Lol. I do know about Ogiso dynasty. But full blooded Yoruba subdued this kingdom of Igodomigodo and she became known as Ibunu,Ibinu...benin.

Thereafter obaship begun And all protocol changed and fusion of Yoruba , efas, Ogiame etc to Yoruba lords. Have you ever wondered reason Urhobo, Isoko etc migrated to southward ? You can ask.

Accept fact as it is.

Cheers

Olu317:
Lol. I do know about Ogiso dynasty. But full blooded Yoruba subdued this kingdom of Igodomigodo and she became known as Ibunu,Ibinu...benin.

Thereafter obaship begun And all protocol changed and fusion of Yoruba , efas, Ogiame etc to Yoruba lords. Have you ever wondered reason Urhobo, Isoko etc migrated to southward ? You can ask.

Accept fact as it is.

Cheers

Nah, the name has been Benin, Ibunu is just a description of the people by the people of some parts of South West. The name did not change.

Sight a document or historical book, website or page narrating your fake illusive conquest

It's good we set the record straight, not peddling falsehood cos of pride and ego, when everyone knows the truth. Stop disgracing yourself on the world wide web by displaying blatant ignorance. The only people that fought the Empire successfully was the British, such records are well documented.

mediainc:

Nah, the name has been Benin , Ibunu is just a description of the people by the people of some parts of South West. The name did not change.

Sight a document or historical book, website or page narrating your fake illusive conquest

It's good we set the record straight, not peddling falsehood cos of pride and ego, when everyone knows the truth. Stop disgracing yourself on the world wide web by displaying blatant ignorance. The only people that fought the Empire successfully was the British, such records are well documented.

Obviously, you have nada on Benin history from your posted statement .

Certainly, you want to stylishly sneak Republique du Benin into Edo's name and history ?

You are quite funny and not serious . Infact I won't be surprised if any e-warrior revisionist Edo citizen deem it fit to also claim Oviedo football club in Spanish second Division, is owned by Benin-Edo citizen also known by demonym called Oviedo.

Afterall there are so many revionism to save face in Edoland by claiming Ekarleredan who lived and died in 11th Century after he founded Ughotton is now Oduduwa who lived and died in BCE.

Peradventure you're new, then eat your cake and have it if it's possible since you do not know the germane difference between Igodomigodo and Benin land in Edo state.


Cheers

Olu317:
Obviously, you have nada on Benin history from your posted statement .

Certainly, you want to stylishly sneak Republique du Benin into Edo's name and history ?

You are quite funny and not serious . Infact I won't be surprised if any e-warrior revisionist Edo citizen deem it fit to also claim Oviedo football club in Spanish second Division, is owned by Benin-Edo citizen also known by demonym called Oviedo.

Afterall there are so many revionism to save face in Edoland by claiming Ekarleredan who lived and died in 11th Century after he founded Ughotton is now Oduduwa who lived and died in BCE.

Peradventure you're new, then eat your cake and have it if it's possible since you do not know the germane difference between Igodomigodo and Benin land in Edo state.


Cheers

Of course, Ogodomigodo have existed, then Ogiso dynasty, but it was the Portuguese that coined the name Benin, as I narrated earlier, this is a well documented fact.

Good you know about the Ogodomigodo and Ogiso era/dynasty. We need to educate the kids right, and the miseducated as well. Peace.