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The bible teaches that eternity is God's gift Rom. 6:23. The wicked ones does not get this gift, so there is no eternity for the unfaithful ones. God told Adam that if he disobeys that he will die, and God told us the meaning of death in the bible when He said to Adam from dust you are and to dust you shall return for disobeying me. Gen. 3:19.
So Adam at death went back to the state that he was before he was created, which is the state on non-existence, this is the meaning of death. Today Adam is not in hell neither is he anywhere, he just doesn't exist. This is the same with all of us when we die we go back to this state of non-existence, the state we were in before we were born.
This is where the power of the resurrection by God comes in, God will bring the dead back to life by means of the resurrection, Acts 24:15..
This is the truth the bible teaches, the belief that something in us survives our death is unscriptural and has its root in pagan worship.

These are the lies you have been taught as a JW where words are twisted, replaced or omitted from the scriptures.

Eternity is different from Eternal life even though they are both everlasting.
Eternity is time without end while eternal life is the God kind of life of love, peace, joy, etc, that is given as a gift to repentant sinners (who become new creatures, children/sons of God - 2 Cor. 5:17-21, Rom. 8:14, 1 John 3:1-2) wherewith they would spend eternity with Him

The "gift of God" is eternal life NOT eternity. This gift is an experiential knowledge of God, knowledge and life of the divine nature of God which is imparted to a man who acknowledges, genuinely repents, confesses his sins and accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour from death and hell to which he was already condemned to, because of sin (John 17:3; 2 Pet. 1:4, Rom. 10:8-13, John 3:19; ch 5:24)

Now death is not a going into extinction but a separation from life --life from the earth or life from God.
- Physical death is a complete separation of the spirit and soul from the body when the silver cord is loosed as a man gives up the ghost (Ecc. 12:6-7, Matt. 27:50, Luke 16:22-31).
- Spiritual death is a separation (estrangement) of man from God because of sin/disobedience (Eph. 2:1,5, Col. 2:13, Gen.2:17, Rom. 7:9-14; ch 5:12-21).
- The second death in the Lake of fire is everlasting and irreconcilable separation from God for all eternity (Rev. 2:11; ch 19:20; ch 20:10-15; ch 21:8 )

You imply that Adam went back to the "state" he was before creation and that "state" is a state of nonexistence. A "state" is a thing or condition. Nonexistence is not a "state" for it does not exist (or no longer exists) or how else does God BRING the dead BACK to life if they have become nonexistent?
Is it still a BRINGING BACK TO LIFE if they have become nonexistent or it is a RECREATION then? Or is it rather a reuniting of the soul with its body?

What is the essence of bringing sinners back to life again and sending them into nonexistence as punishment/reward for their sins? (John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15, Rom. 6:23a, ch 5:12; ch 7:9) or does it mean that everybody, even the righteous ones, who have died here on earth have received their wages as sinners as Rom. 6:23 says, since "death" is the wages of sin?

The soul is not a body. It is in a body (of a man). There is a physical body and there is a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44). Christ's soul as a man was not left in hell neither did his flesh see corruption though he went and preached to the spirits in prison (Acts 2:31, 1 Pet. 3:19). The flesh (body), soul and spirit are not referring to the same thing (1 Thess. 5:23)

God CREATED man in His own image but He FORMED man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed (what He had already created in His own image) into him (the body of dust) the breath of life and man became a living soul (Gen. 1:27 and ch 2:7)

Dtruthspeaker:


Yet you all say "living with my wife, mother, father, etc is hell" or "working in a bank is hell"

That's just the baby hell sent to torment foolish disobedient souls which you have all seen, experienced and confessed, the papa-hell waits to receive you after death!

Yeah the the grave where man will cease to exist and not to be burn forever and ever

Simeonjoe1:

Yeah the the grave where man will cease to exist and not to be burn forever and ever

No! The Creator of man has said no man shall de-exist, exactly as no Camry can de-exist itself Only Mr Toyoda can de-exist it.

Therefore, all men shall live but in 2 different places or Houses;
1) on earth House. The new earth not this one men have rubbished and destroyed but Another One will be Re-made.

2) Lake of Eternal Fire House.

Dtruthspeaker:


No! The Creator of man has said no man shall de-exist, exactly as no Camry can de-exist itself Only Mr Toyoda can de-exist it.

Therefore, all men shall live but in 2 different places or Houses;
1) on earth House. The new earth not this one men have rubbished and destroyed but Another One will be Re-made.

2) Lake of Eternal Fire House.

No creator will wish that for his creation
Don't be deluded hellfire is is just in your mind it's not real...

Simeonjoe1:


No creator will wish that for his creation
Don't be deluded hellfire is is just in your mind it's not real...

The Creator Himself, Who Dictates what shall happen to His creation Exactly as Mr. Toyoda dictates whatever shall happen to the Camry, has already expressed His Will.

So this is just wishful thinking and self deceit rather choosing to alter ones course In the direction of the available options, exactly as an undergraduate still hoping and wishing that he shall obtain employment in NNPC!

Two destinations awaits Adam and Eve but they have to choose which between the two they will go for.
Continue obeying God and live forever, choose to rebel against Him and return to dust. Genesis 2:17 compare to Matthew 7:13-14
There is no third option like HellFire in God's setting!

MaxInDHouse:
Two destinations awaits Adam and Eve but they have to choose which between the two they will go for.
Continue obeying God and live forever, choose to rebel against Him and return to dust. Genesis 2:17 compare to Matthew 7:13-14
There is no third option like HellFire in God's setting!

You think these eternal destinations of man are just options on a menu that he can choose from as he likes? Jesus spoke many times about hell. The other disciples too wrote about hell and hell fire.

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." - Matthew 18:9

I do not know how you think about the eternal destinations of the rich man and Lazarus that Jesus spoke about. God is not pleased with the death of a sinner. He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance. This God of love is also a righteous God of judgement. This God of peace is also a God of vengeance. Don't be myopic in your view of God.

2 Peter 2:4 says: 'For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment'. Read further to verse 12.

Was it into the grave that God cast those angels that sinned as the verse above says? They were chained in hell. Other evil angels were not chained as these were. They still operate with some permission - these principalities and powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places.

If you want to remain deceived and be deceiving others that there is no hell as some of the doctrines which JW's have received from demons, so that people can live lackadaisically because they think they will just vanish after their evil lifestyle here on earth, then you will have yourselves to blame when the Lord Jesus tells you on that day: '"...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"...And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.' - Matthew 25:41-46

HELL simply means GRAVE but since you don't know that Jesus never spoke English language you may continue spewing gibberish!

Mumu!
Out of all the HELLFIRE religious believers which one is as peaceful, peaceloving and obedient like JWs? Matthew 7:16-18

franklytrue:


You think these eternal destinations of man are just options on a menu that he can choose from as he likes? Jesus spoke many times about hell. The other disciples too wrote about hell and hell fire.

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." - Matthew 18:9

I do not know how you think about the eternal destinations of the rich man and Lazarus that Jesus spoke about. God is not pleased with the death of a sinner. He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance. This God of love is also a righteous God of judgement. This God of peace is also a God of vengeance. Don't be myopic in your view of God.

2 Peter 2:4 says: 'For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment'. Read further to verse 12.

Was it into the grave that God cast those angels that sinned as the verse above says? They were chained in hell. Other evil angels were not chained as these were. They still operate with some permission - these principalities and powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places.

If you want to remain deceived and be deceiving others that there is no hell as some of the doctrines which JW's have received from demons, so that people can live lackadaisically because they think they will just vanish after their evil lifestyle here on earth, then you will have yourselves to blame when the Lord Jesus tells you on that day: '"...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"...And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.' - Matthew 25:41-46

MaxInDHouse:
HELL simply means GRAVE but since you don't know that Jesus never spoke English language you may continue spewing gibberish!

Mumu!
Out of all the HELLFIRE religious believers which one is as peaceful, peaceloving and obedient like JWs? Matthew 7:16-18

Hell simply means grave? You have not answered my previous question: was it into the grave that God cast those angels that sinned?

And since you knew he did not speak English then, you deem it fit that he was simply referring to hell as the grave, when in all the context of scriptures everywhere it is not reasonable to assume so? Is there a fire in the grave too?

What does it mean to cast in biblical context? Does "cast" mean to gently place something somewhere or to throw it violently there (the way demons are casted out)?
Do you cast (hurl) people into the grave or you gently place them there usually inside a coffin or a kind of wrapping that Jesus did not make mention of when talking about casting into hell?


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Your tongue is what spews gibberish and if not controlled it will be set on fire of hell (James 3:6)
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." - Matthew 5:22

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You mean of religious believers, which one is as hypocritical and pharisaical as (most) JWs --turning a blind eye to scriptures, blind leaders of the blind, twisting the truth of scriptures with a largely edited JW version, skillfully evading certain questions while claiming to be Bible scholars along with the stories of cover ups of what goes on within your organisation?

You praise your organisation much but know that for the fruit of the Spirit [Gal. 5:22](whom you don't believe in His person) that you don't bear which you claim to, you will be cast into the fire. May God grant you a change of heart before it is too late.

"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." - Matthew 7:19 (Matthew ch 3:10; ch 13:42; ch 25:30)

franklytrue:

Hell simply means grave? You have not answered my previous question: was it into the grave that God cast those angels that sinned?

Grave means a place of inactivity so when God's word says fallen angels were cast into a place of inactivity it simply means they're no longer part of his loyal spirit sons, therefore they're uninformed further about what angels are doing as assignments in heaven. That's why they began coming to the earth to mingle with humans who now sends them on errands and engage them to carry out witchcraft, magic, sorcery and other spiritistic acts.
That's what seems like torments for them!

And since you knew he did not speak English then, you deem it fit that he was simply referring to hell as the grave, when in all the context of scriptures everywhere it is not reasonable to assume so? Is there a fire in the grave too?

Fire connotes destruction. In Jerusalem there was a wall where carcasses of dead animals and rubbish are thrown. Israelites often throw the bodies of condemned criminals since such criminals aren't expected during resurrection but good people are laid gently in their graves.
So Jesus likens the judgment of unrepentant evildoers to such conditions, God will not remember evildoers unlike good people who will be resurrected.

What does it mean to cast in biblical context? Does "cast" mean to gently place something somewhere or to throw it violently there (the way demons are casted out)?
Do you cast (hurl) people into the grave or you gently place them there usually inside a coffin or a kind of wrapping that Jesus did not make mention of when talking about casting into hell?

Casting indicates the desire of the one handling the object, God is the one handling the hope of all humans so Jesus used the word cast to show how God feels about unrepentant wrongdoers, they're dead for good with no hope of a resurrection! Matthew 10:28

franklytrue:


You praise your organisation much but know that for the fruit of the Spirit [Gal. 5:22](whom you don't believe in His person) that you don't bear which you claim to, you will be cast into the fire. May God grant you a change of heart before it is too late.

"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." - Matthew 7:19 (Matthew ch 3:10; ch 13:42; ch 25:30)

You're a real clown!
The highlighted is about the fruit of God's Holy Spirit. If truly you KNOW anything about God's Holy Spirit is it just about blind and worthless arguments or presentation of the WORKS in the midst of believers?

Foolish Churchgoer!

Paul listed the attributes of God's Holy Spirit as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Can you remind me of any Organization of worshipers where people know that members
© Truly have LOVE among themselves?
© JOYFULLY practice their faith globally?
© Are PEACEFUL and peaceloving everywhere?
© PATIENT with their lifestyle?
© Are known as GOOD citizens?
© GENTLE as they preach and teach?
© Have strong FAITH that's uniquely different?
© MILD in all what they do?
© Have SELF-CONTROL in the society?

Just mention one religious group that's ahead of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in all of this.
But to a fool like you they don't know the Holy Spirit yet all these WORKS in their midst! James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:

Grave means a place of inactivity so when God's word says fallen angels were cast into a place of inactivity it simply means they're no longer part of his loyal spirit sons, therefore they're uninformed further about what angels are doing as assignments in heaven. That's why they began coming to the earth to mingle with humans who now sends them on errands and engage them to carry out witchcraft, magic, sorcery and other spiritistic acts.
That's what seems like torments for them!

Grave: a place of inactivity where the worms do not die and the fire is not quenched? (Mark 9:44)
Grave: a place of inactivity where the rich man lifted up his eyes, being in torment and sees Abraham afar off, had desires and made pleas? (Luke 16:22-31)
Grave: a place of inactivity where those fallen angels are under chains of darkness and reserved unto judgement (2 Pet. 2:4) but still go on diabolic errands for some human beings?
These ones have the liberty of coming to the earth and be used by humans and that is what seems like torments to them? Wouldn't they just stop mingling with humans therefore? Or rather they are the ones tormenting humans gleefully with all sorts of wickedness, pain and sufferings in the earth?

Fire connotes destruction. In Jerusalem there was a wall where carcasses of dead animals and rubbish are thrown. Israelites often throw the bodies of condemned criminals since such criminals aren't expected during resurrection but good people are laid gently in their graves.
So Jesus likens the judgment of unrepentant evildoers to such conditions, God will not remember evildoers unlike good people who will be resurrected.

So only good people are now laid gently in the graves while all the bad people even if they are rulers, are cast away at the rubbish dump? Show me where in scriptures Jesus likened the judgment of unrepentant sinners to such conditions. God remembers the deeds of the wicked and though hands join in hands the sinner shall not be unpunished. (Pro. 11:21, etc)

Casting indicates the desire of the one handling the object, God is the one handling the hope of all humans so Jesus used the word cast to show how God feels about unrepentant wrongdoers, they're dead for good with no hope of a resurrection! Matthew 10:28

"Casting indicates the desire of the one handling the object..." that is how you begin to give words a different meaning from what is meant. The wicked ones will also be resurrected to receive their punishment.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Acts 24:15-16 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

There is a first resurrection and there is a second resurrection. The dead will be judged according to their works and whosoever was not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire where the devil, the beast and false prophet also will be cast into, and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev. 20:10-15)

MaxInDHouse:


You're a real clown!
The highlighted is about the fruit of God's Holy Spirit. If truly you KNOW anything about God's Holy Spirit is it just about blind and worthless arguments or presentation of the WORKS in the midst of believers?

Foolish Churchgoer!

Paul listed the attributes of God's Holy Spirit as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Can you remind me of any Organization of worshipers where people know that members
© Truly have LOVE among themselves?
© JOYFULLY practice their faith globally?
© Are PEACEFUL and peaceloving everywhere?
© PATIENT with their lifestyle?
© Are known as GOOD citizens?
© GENTLE as they preach and teach?
© Have strong FAITH that's uniquely different?
© MILD in all what they do?
© Have SELF-CONTROL in the society?

Just mention one religious group that's ahead of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in all of this.
But to a fool like you they don't know the Holy Spirit yet all these WORKS in their midst! James 2:18-26

Hurling insults doesn't change the truth.

James 3:9-10 "Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."

The fruit of the Spirit: the attributes of the Spirit, and if you have the Holy Spirit in you wouldn't you show forth these attributes?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth..." - James 3:13-18

You have probably been to every other organisation on earth both small and large, remote and reachable, and seen how they are faring, right?
"Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips." - Proverbs 27:2
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." - Luke 16:15

The kind of people that praise/justify themselves like the pharisee did in prayer before God against the publican, but who was justified? - Luke 18:10-14
You will only speak for yourself on the day of judgement and not your organisation for you know not what some of your members do in secret. You look on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. - 1 Sam. 16:17, (Matt. 23:23-28).
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24. But how can you judge all others when you have not all seen them, neither are you omniscient?

franklytrue:

Grave: a place of inactivity where the worms do not die and the fire is not quenched? (Mark 9:44)
Grave: a place of inactivity where the rich man lifted up his eyes, being in torment and sees Abraham afar off, had desires and made pleas? (Luke 16:22-31)
Grave: a place of inactivity where those fallen angels are under chains of darkness and reserved unto judgement (2 Pet. 2:4) but still go on diabolic errands for some human beings?
These ones have the liberty of coming to the earth and be used by humans and that is what seems like torments to them? Wouldn't they just stop mingling with humans therefore? Or rather they are the ones tormenting humans gleefully with all sorts of wickedness, pain and sufferings in the earth?

First of all the quotations you're banking on things Jesus said in parables {Matthew 13:13, 34-35 compare to Psalms 72:8} so if you don't know how to correlate scriptures you can't understand Jesus' words!
Lazarus and the rich man is a Parable not a life story!

So only good people are now laid gently in the graves while all the bad people even if they are rulers, are cast away at the rubbish dump? Show me where in scriptures Jesus likened the judgment of unrepentant sinners to such conditions. God remembers the deeds of the wicked and though hands join in hands the sinner shall not be unpunished. (Pro. 11:21, etc)

I'm talking about how people treat criminals which Jesus likens to what will happen to unrepentant wrongdoers. As for sin the capital punishment is physical death {Genesis 2:17} so at death all sinners have paid fully for their evil {Romans 6:7} the only thing God now does for selected dead ones is resurrection!

"Casting indicates the desire of the one handling the object..." that is how you begin to give words a different meaning from what is meant. The wicked ones will also be resurrected to receive their punishment.
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; [b]and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Acts 24:15-16 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

At death all sinners have paid fully for their wrongdoings {Romans 6:7} the only thing God now does for selected dead ones is resurrection, this is what God will not give Adam, Eve and other wilful wrongdoers!

There is a first resurrection and there is a second resurrection. The dead will be judged according to their works and whosoever was not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire where the devil, the beast and false prophet also will be cast into, and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev. 20:10-15)

The judgment here is not about what they did before their first death because death is the capital punishment for all their past deeds, they've paid for their former wrongdoings with DEATH! Romans 6:7,23
The second death is about what they will later choose to do after their resurrection in Paradise after they've been given the opportunity to hear about Jesus!

So what makes you think you're right when you don't have anything tangible to PRESENT as fine works of the Holy Spirit in any religion? Matthew 7:16-18
I asked you a question: did you know any religion exhibiting the qualities of God's Holy Spirit like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?
So they are pretending to have all the qualities even when their preaching and teaching reaches all world's most racist nations, you still think the people who accepted their teachings just chose to pretend for what?
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have gone to all the nations of the earth and people there have all been exhibiting all these qualities yet you think they're all pretending shey?
Why are you people so daft nah?
Even when you are seeing the works of God's Holy Spirit you still want to speak against the good qualities that everyone can see.
I'm sorry for you! Matthew 12:31-32

franklytrue:


Hurling insults doesn't change the truth.

James 3:9-10 "Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."

The fruit of the Spirit: the attributes of the Spirit, and if you have the Holy Spirit in you wouldn't you show forth these attributes?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth..." - James 3:13-18

You have probably been to every other organisation on earth both small and large, remote and reachable, and seen how they are faring, right?
"Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips." - Proverbs 27:2
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." - Luke 16:15

The kind of people that praise/justify themselves like the pharisee did in prayer before God against the publican, but who was justified? - Luke 18:10-14
You will only speak for yourself on the day of judgement and not your organisation for you know not what some of your members do in secret. You look on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. - 1 Sam. 16:17, (Matt. 23:23-28).
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24. But how can you judge all others when you have not all seen them, neither are you omniscient?

@ franklytrue

Next time you're jumping into a person's comment don't rush to mention any group name, go straight to what you want to point out! you foolishly mentioned the name "JWs" but now you can't PRESENT any better performing group rather you're now saying the group is raising themselves above you.
Aren't you the one who mentioned the group when you're supposed to point out what you want to say!

MaxInDHouse:

First of all the quotations you're banking on things Jesus said in parables {Matthew 13:13, 34-35 compare to Psalms 72:8} so if you don't know how to correlate scriptures you can't understand Jesus' words!
Lazarus and the rich man is a Parable not a life story!

So what does a parable mean? Do you mean Jesus was fabricating stories like we do? Stories like tortoise and the elephant? And so what does the "parable" of Lazarus mean or was Jesus teaching us a lie by telling a story of life beyond the grave?
What does the "parable" of the good Samaritan teach apart from what is understood there literally. What does the "parable" of the prodigal son teach? (And many more) Something totally different from what is literally understood by the UNFABRICATED STORIES of Jesus Christ or something else entirely? Jesus used living examples not fables, not tales by moonlight.

The Bible did not call the story of Lazarus and the rich man a parable. I wonder why you jump to that conclusion. From where Jesus was talking about the sin of adultery, he moved to the story of Lazarus. There was A CERTAIN beggar named Lazarus, NOT a fictitious beggar. This was a known person!

I'm talking about how people treat criminals which Jesus likens to what will happen to unrepentant wrongdoers. As for sin the capital punishment is physical death {Genesis 2:17} so at death all sinners have paid fully for their evil {Romans 6:7} the only thing God now does for selected dead ones is resurrection!

As death was the capital punishment for everyone who died, that means every single who has died was a sinner? Why would God then raise some selected ones back to life? Partiality?
The problem is that you don't understand what death means according to scriptures, right there from Genesis.
See:

franklytrue
Now death is not a going into extinction but a separation from life --life from the earth or life from God.
- Physical death is a complete separation of the spirit and soul from the body when the silver cord is loosed as a man gives up the ghost (Ecc. 12:6-7, Matt. 27:50, Luke 16:22-31).
- Spiritual death is a separation (estrangement) of man from God because of sin/disobedience (Eph. 2:1,5, Col. 2:13, Gen.2:17, Rom. 7:9-14; ch 5:12-21).
- The second death in the Lake of fire is everlasting and irreconcilable separation from God for all eternity (Rev. 2:11; ch 19:20; ch 20:10-15; ch 21:8 )

You talk about correlating scriptures when you don't understand the context through the inspiration of God. The letter kills but the spirit gives life (2 Cor. 3:6). The problem you will keep having is reading from a corrupted version of scriptures as that edited by your Watchtower organisation. We cannot be on the same page or have the same understanding when we are not reading the same original version of scripture, and not an adulterated one like the Watchtower's.

At death all sinners have paid fully for their wrongdoings {Romans 6:7} the only thing God now does for selected dead ones is resurrection, this is what God will not give Adam, Eve and other wilful wrongdoers!

Romans 6:6-7, 11 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
To be dead in sin is different from being dead to sin. The living saints of God are dead (separated from sin, living in holiness) TO sin while sinners even though physically alive, are dead IN sin (separated from the Holy God, stuck there, wasting away in sin)
Those verses of scriptures are not talking about physical death. Read the whole chapter well and not just pick out a verse that you think supports your misunderstanding of scriptures.

The judgment here is not about what they did before their first death because death is the capital punishment for all their past deeds, they've paid for their former wrongdoings with DEATH! Romans 6:7,23
The second death is about what they will later choose to do after their resurrection in Paradise after they've been given the opportunity to hear about Jesus!

Where did you get the bolded from scriptures? Twisting and turning the scriptures, adding and subtracting to it --the people who do that have no part in the book of life and the holy city. (Rev. 22:18-19)

Guy it will always be Interpretation against Interpretation, so don't rush to conclusion thinking the other person is wrong.
Consider other factors because the Bible wasn't written in English and the Jews amongst whom Jesus grew speaks a lot in Proverbs.
So after reading the scriptures we need to sit down and meditate on what we find in the book. I quoted verses for you saying death is the capital punishment for sin, God never said anything will happen after Adam's death and if Adam will not really die please who then is the real LIAR between God and Satan? Genesis 3:1-5

So instead of jumping to conclusion when you hear something new or strange try to find out if it's true or not, i also believe in HellFire before until i began taking a second look at the scriptures from the beginning remembering that Jesus said so many things in PARABLES!

Jesus was talking to the Pharisees when he related the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, i was taught the meaning and i believe it because it correlates with all other scriptures.

If you want to know i can share it with you but you just need to calm down first to hear what others have to say instead of concluding that HellFire adherents are right while others are wrong!

Meanwhile of all the religions on this planet the same JWs that beleive in the New Word Translation are the first and foremost in the preaching and teaching work commissioned by Jesus Christ. They're doing it as if their life depends on it, they're known for the love amongst them, they're the most peaceable and peaceloving group globally.
So rushing to conclusion that they are wrong simply because they're not following the conventional Hellfire doctrine whereas they're well known for their LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL makes you sound really myopic in your reasoning!

franklytrue:

So what does a parable mean? Do you mean Jesus was fabricating stories like we do? Stories like tortoise and the elephant? And so what does the "parable" of Lazarus mean or was Jesus teaching us a lie by telling a story of life beyond the grave?
What does the "parable" of the good Samaritan teach apart from what is understood there literally. What does the "parable" of the prodigal son teach? (And many more) Something totally different from what is literally understood by the UNFABRICATED STORIES of Jesus Christ or something else entirely? Jesus used living examples not fables, not tales by moonlight.
The Bible did not call the story of Lazarus and the rich man a parable. I wonder why you jump to that conclusion. From where Jesus was talking about the sin of adultery, he moved to the story of Lazarus. There was A CERTAIN beggar named Lazarus, NOT a fictitious beggar. This was a known person!
As death was the capital punishment for everyone who died, that means every single who has died was a sinner? Why would God then raise some selected ones back to life? Partiality?
The problem is that you don't understand what death means according to scriptures, right there from Genesis.
See:

You talk about correlating scriptures when you don't understand the context through the inspiration of God. The letter kills but the spirit gives life (2 Cor. 3:6). The problem you will keep having is reading from a corrupted version of scriptures as that edited by your Watchtower organisation. We cannot be on the same page or have the same understanding when we are not reading the same original version of scripture, and not an adulterated one like the Watchtower's.
Romans 6:6-7, 11 "Knowing this, that [b]our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
To be dead in sin is different from being dead to sin. The living saints of God are dead (separated from sin, living in holiness) TO sin while sinners even though physically alive, are dead IN sin (separated from the Holy God, stuck there, wasting away in sin)
Those verses of scriptures are not talking about physical death. Read the whole chapter well and not just pick out a verse that you think supports your misunderstanding of scriptures.
Where did you get the bolded from scriptures? Twisting and turning the scriptures, adding and subtracting to it --the people who do that have no part in the book of life and the holy city. (Rev. 22:18-19)

MaxInDHouse:
@ franklytrue

Next time you're jumping into a person's comment don't rush to mention any group name, go straight to what you want to point out! you foolishly mentioned the name "JWs" but now you can't PRESENT any better performing group rather you're now saying the group is raising themselves above you.
Aren't you the one who mentioned the group when you're supposed to point out what you want to say!

Better performing group? It is just that: "performance" - outward show but within are full of dead men's bones (Matt. 23:26-28). There are denominations which are doing greater works than JWs, even greater works that you guys don't believe is still possible in this generation because you believe miracles, healings, gifts of the Spirit ended with the apostles of Jesus then [thereby limiting the power of God - 2 Tim 3:5-7 KJV]; greater works of the spread of the true gospel of Jesus Christ, and wonderful charitable works but I am not here to promote my group or any other but the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of glory, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords who is coming back again very soon.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy it will always be Interpretation against Interpretation, so don't rush to conclusion thinking the other person is wrong.
Consider other factors because the Bible wasn't written in English and the Jews amongst whom Jesus grew speaks a lot in Proverbs.
So after reading the scriptures we need to sit down and meditate on what we find in the book. I quoted verses for you saying death is the capital punishment for sin, God never said anything will happen after Adam's death and if Adam will not really die please who then is the real LIAR between God and Satan? Genesis 3:1-5

So instead of jumping to conclusion when you hear something new or strange try to find out if it's true or not, i also believe in HellFire before until i began taking a second look at the scriptures from the beginning remembering that Jesus said so many things in PARABLES!

Jesus was talking to the Pharisees when he related the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, i was taught the meaning and i believe it because it correlates with all other scriptures.

If you want to know i can share it with you but you just need to calm down first to hear what others have to say instead of concluding that HellFire adherents are right while others are wrong!

Meanwhile of all the religions on this planet the same JWs that beleive in the New Word Translation are the first and foremost in the preaching and teaching work commissioned by Jesus Christ. They're doing it as if their life depends on it, they're known for the love amongst them, they're the most peaceable and peaceloving group globally.
So rushing to conclusion that they are wrong simply because they're not following the conventional Hellfire doctrine whereas they're well known for their LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL makes you sound really myopic in your reasoning!

The Bible wasn't written in English but you have concluded that "Hell" simply means "grave" as an English translator, when different context of scripture do not imply so, for it is still a place of activity.
And if you meditate well on the original version or words of scripture, and not your corrupted Watchtower version, you will see that after death for man, things still happen because man is a spirit, having a soul and living in a body. The spirit returns back to God who gave it (the same is not said of animals when they die for God did not breathe into any one of them); the saints will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to receive their reward (2 Cor. 5:6-10); the unrighteous dead will stand before the great white throne judgement seat of God to receive their reward also (Rev. 20:11-21)

Adam died (was spiritually estranged from God) the same day he ate the fruit. The physical separation from his body happened hundreds of years later.
So if physical death was the capital punishment of sin then it means every one who has died was a sinner, isn't it (Rom. 5:12-21 KJV)? So why would God "select" some to resurrect? Is it not partiality then? Do you even SELECT what has gone into extinction at the time of death?

When Apostle Paul wrote that he died daily (1 Cor 15:31 KJV) what do you think he meant? You only limit the word 'death' to extinction.
There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44 KJV), so also there is physical death and spiritual death. This kingdom of God you guys preach that you want to be a part of, do you think you can inherit it with your [corruptible] flesh and blood? (1 Cor. 15:50 KJV)

Jesus told so many things in parables but did he specifically tell you or you were specifically told in the scriptures that the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable? And also the story of the good Samaritan and that of the prodigal son and some others like that?

These peace loving but self deceiving people are well known by who for what? Not by me or a great many others anyways.
'For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.' - 2 Corinthians 5:12

Have you guys had a change of heart or you just try to behave decently before people? How can you show forth the nature or fruit of the Spirit of God that you don't have in you by a new birth and adoption into the family of God?

'For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.' - 2 Corinthians 10:12-13

Luke 16:15 ' And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.'

Your good "works" cannot save you or grant you access into God's kingdom because your righteousness are as filthy rags. Only Jesus can save you, cleanse you with his precious blood and commend you into the glorious and everlasting kingdom of his Father as a good and faithful servant at the end of your life here on earth when you acknowledge his sacrifice on the cross for you, repent and then accept and confess him as your Lord and Saviour (Acts 4:12, 1 John 1:7-10, Matt. 25:21-46, Rom. 10:3-13)

Let me enlighten you on the highlighted that you misconstrued for unrighteousness among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Jesus used this statement for the Jewish religious leaders of his day who always appear godly before their countrymen but are full of hatred for their fellow worshipers in the same temple! Luke 18:11

But in this case you're referring to a global family of peace loving worshipers from different races all across the world {Micah 4:1-3} they have successfully impressed in the hearts of millions the love for God and neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} so JWs will find the time to pay their neighbours a visit even in this period when everyone is running up and down just to make ends meet {Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Malachi 3:16} they will never raise weapons against their fellowman {Matthew 26:52} they have vowed never to enroll in any paramilitary course {Romans 12:18} and throughout the world they're known for their decency! Matthew 5:13-16

So all these qualities: LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} and you just assume these people who have come from different races throughout the earth are simply pretending shey?

So please tell this forum what people should expect to see before they can be assured that they've seen God's chosen people? Matthew 7:16-18 and John 13:34-35
My friend, mind what you will say against God's people because if you're seeing fine works in the midst of just one group throughout the earth and there is no nation where people complained that JWs from there are different from their members in other lands yet you can't PRESENT any other performing group, then it means you are blaspheming God's Holy Spirit whose work you're condemning in the midst of imperfect humans like you! Matthew 12:31-32

franklytrue:

Better performing group? It is just that: "performance" - outward show but within are full of dead men's bones (Matt. 23:26-28). There are denominations which are doing greater works than JWs, even greater works that you guys don't believe is still possible in this generation because you believe miracles, healings, gifts of the Spirit ended with the apostles of Jesus then [thereby limiting the power of God - 2 Tim 3:5-7 KJV]; greater works of the spread of the true gospel of Jesus Christ, and wonderful charitable works but I am not here to promote my group or any other but the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of glory, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords who is coming back again very soon.





The Bible wasn't written in English but you have concluded that "Hell" simply means "grave" as an English translator, when different context of scripture do not imply so, for it is still a place of activity.
And if you meditate well on the original version or words of scripture, and not your corrupted Watchtower version, you will see that after death for man, things still happen because man is a spirit, having a soul and living in a body. The spirit returns back to God who gave it (the same is not said of animals when they die for God did not breathe into any one of them); the saints will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to receive their reward (2 Cor. 5:6-10); the unrighteous dead will stand before the great white throne judgement seat of God to receive their reward also (Rev. 20:11-21)

Adam died (was spiritually estranged from God) the same day he ate the fruit. The physical separation from his body happened hundreds of years later.
So if physical death was the capital punishment of sin then it means every one who has died was a sinner, isn't it (Rom. 5:12-21 KJV)? So why would God "select" some to resurrect? Is it not partiality then? Do you even SELECT what has gone into extinction at the time of death?

When Apostle Paul wrote that he died daily (1 Cor 15:31 KJV) what do you think he meant? You only limit the word 'death' to extinction.
There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44 KJV), so also there is physical death and spiritual death. This kingdom of God you guys preach that you want to be a part of, do you think you can inherit it with your [corruptible] flesh and blood? (1 Cor. 15:50 KJV)

Jesus told so many things in parables but did he specifically tell you or you were specifically told in the scriptures that the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable? And also the story of the good Samaritan and that of the prodigal son and some others like that?

These peace loving but self deceiving people are well known by who for what? Not by me or a great many others anyways.
'For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.' - 2 Corinthians 5:12

Have you guys had a change of heart or you just try to behave decently before people? How can you show forth the nature or fruit of the Spirit of God that you don't have in you by a new birth and adoption into the family of God?

'For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.' - 2 Corinthians 10:12-13

Luke 16:15 ' And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.'

Your good "works" cannot save you or grant you access into God's kingdom because your righteousness are as filthy rags. Only Jesus can save you, cleanse you with his precious blood and commend you into the glorious and everlasting kingdom of his Father as a good and faithful servant at the end of your life here on earth when you acknowledge his sacrifice on the cross for you, repent and then accept and confess him as your Lord and Saviour (Acts 4:12, 1 John 1:7-10, Matt. 25:21-46, Rom. 10:3-13)

MaxInDHouse:
Let me enlighten you on the highlighted that you misconstrued for unrighteousness among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Jesus used this statement for the Jewish religious leaders of his day who always appear godly before their countrymen but are full of hatred for their fellow worshipers in the same temple! Luke 18:11

But in this case you're referring to a global family of peace loving worshipers from different races all across the world {Micah 4:1-3} they have successfully impressed in the hearts of millions the love for God and neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} so JWs will find the time to pay their neighbours a visit even in this period when everyone is running up and down just to make ends meet {Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Malachi 3:16} they will never raise weapons against their fellowman {Matthew 26:52} they have vowed never to enroll in any paramilitary course {Romans 12:18} and throughout the world they're known for their decency! Matthew 5:13-16

So all these qualities: LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} and you just assume these people who have come from different races throughout the earth are simply pretending shey?

So please tell this forum what people should expect to see before they can be assured that they've seen God's chosen people? Matthew 7:16-18 and John 13:34-35
My friend, mind what you will say against God's people because if you're seeing fine works in the midst of just one group throughout the earth and there is no nation where people complained that JWs from there are different from their members in other lands yet you can't PRESENT any other performing group, then it means you are blaspheming God's Holy Spirit whose work you're condemning in the midst of imperfect humans like you! Matthew 12:31-32

I see the love you have towards others that made you call them 'mumu', 'fools', etc.

You would only see what you want to see and highlight and focus on it while tactically avoiding other matters/questions raised.

JWs are the only ones that love peace? They are the only ones that have the qualities of the Spirit of God? It is alright. Keep defending your organisation and claim the right to be [the only] God's chosen people here on earth. The end will tell.

I wonder who is blaspheming against the Spirit of God -the Spirit of God you don't believe is a Person on His own but just an "active force", yet He does things, teaches, speaks and directs, etc. Who is the blasphemer here?

How can you really exhibit the qualities of the Spirit of God when you don't have Him dwelling in you by the process of a new birth into the family of God and having His nature as a son (child) of God? You guys may not all pretend but you will still struggle with right living because it is not yet your new nature in Christ.
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." - Romans 8:14-17, (Gal. 4:3-7)

Like I have told you, your works however good or fine, cannot save you only Jesus, the Son of God, can save you and bring you into the kingdom of God, his Father.

Works beget reward not salvation. If there is still an atom of unconfessed or unforgiven sin in one's life at the end of it, such a person will not make it into the kingdom of God thereby losing his reward also.

All judgement is committed unto the Son of God, Jesus Christ (John 5:21-27), so if you think it is by your commendation of yourselves among yourselves that will earn you a place in God's kingdom, you will be greatly disappointed on that day. You should seek for the mercy of God and ask for His grace to really become one of His and to truly live right in His sight so that you will be counted worthy by the Lord on that day (Jude vs 21-25). May God help you in Jesus name. Amen.

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Dtruthspeaker:


Whow! This is very hard in writing! Let me shrink it.

Eg You Cheated on your wife! Do you think it is only 1 person you inflicted pain on?

No, they are many!

Number 1 is God your Creator, Who warned you not to do it but you did not listen and He even went as far as helping you to by doing one or two things to scatter your plan on cheating yet you accomplished it, so measure, how pained will He Be that you Disobeyed Him and then you thwarted His Help and Assistance?

2 your wife! Movies have already shown you how angry she shall be

3 Then She shall still report you 2 God Again. Increased wahala!

4) Your Daughter/Daughters, how angry shall they be?

5, Your sons, 6, Your in laws, 7 your family,

So check it, how many people are crying and how many people have you wounded?

And I have not started counting oh, for remember the boyfriend or prospecting boyfriend of your slay mama too is also affected!

So measure the Pains on ground and.what quantity is it, if you can,

And count the number of persons who have a case against you, if you do not already have more than 20 Complainants Excluding God oh!

You don kolo

Guy, Jesus and Paul used the word "fools" and this has to do with matters you need to understand. Matthew 23:17; Galatians 3:1
So instead of picking up words out of context why not face the topic of discussion?
If you truly know the Holy Spirit, you shouldn't find it difficult to present a group where Mr Holy Spirit is actively working and the result of the works of Mr Holy Spirit. James 2:18-26
Jehovah's Witnesses say it's God's active force and the whole world can SEE the works of God's active force as only JWs are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood globally, they've settled all racial disputes in their midst when people like you claiming you know Mr Holy Spirit can't help it but raise weapons against your fellow believers in other countries!
Sorry it's "by their FRUITS" that Jesus said not what their claims! Matthew 7:16-18
So if you can't present a gathering where people can see the works of God's Holy Spirit, then what assurance is there that you truly have the knowledge regarding Holy Spirit?

franklytrue:

I see the love you have towards others that made you call them 'mumu', 'fools', etc.

You would only see what you want to see and highlight and focus on it while tactically avoiding other matters/questions raised.

JWs are the only ones that love peace? They are the only ones that have the qualities of the Spirit of God? It is alright. Keep defending your organisation and claim the right to be [the only] God's chosen people here on earth. The end will tell.

I wonder who is blaspheming against the Spirit of God -the Spirit of God you don't believe is a Person on His own but just an "active force", yet He does things, teaches, speaks and directs, etc. Who is the blasphemer here?

How can you really exhibit the qualities of the Spirit of God when you don't have Him dwelling in you by the process of a new birth into the family of God and having His nature as a son (child) of God? You guys may not all pretend but you will still struggle with right living because it is not yet your new nature in Christ.
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." - Romans 8:14-17, (Gal. 4:3-7)

Like I have told you, your works however good or fine, cannot save you only Jesus, the Son of God, can save you and bring you into the kingdom of God, his Father.

Works beget reward not salvation. If there is still an atom of unconfessed or unforgiven sin in one's life at the end of it, such a person will not make it into the kingdom of God thereby losing his reward also.

All judgement is committed unto the Son of God, Jesus Christ (John 5:21-27), so if you think it is by your commendation of yourselves among yourselves that will earn you a place in God's kingdom, you will be greatly disappointed on that day. You should seek for the mercy of God and ask for His grace to really become one of His and to truly live right in His sight so that you will be counted worthy by the Lord on that day (Jude vs 21-25). May God help you in Jesus name. Amen.

tamonokare:


You don kolo

You know hear say "Vengeance is mine"?

Na God get overall jurisdiction to punish anybody wey don commit offence so dat every complainant wey complain go get their "Just is".

So next time when you hear "na God go Judge you" quick quick run settle the matter, if you like yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, Jesus and Paul used the word "fools" and this has to do with matters you need to understand. Matthew 23:17; Galatians 3:1
So instead of picking up words out of context why not face the topic of discussion?
If you truly know the Holy Spirit, you shouldn't find it difficult to present a group where Mr Holy Spirit is actively working and the result of the works of Mr Holy Spirit. James 2:18-26
Jehovah's Witnesses say it's God's active force and the whole world can SEE the works of God's active force as only JWs are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood globally, they've settled all racial disputes in their midst when people like you claiming you know Mr Holy Spirit can't help it but raise weapons against your fellow believers in other countries!
Sorry it's "by their FRUITS" that Jesus said not what their claims! Matthew 7:16-18
So if you can't present a gathering where people can see the works of God's Holy Spirit, then what assurance is there that you truly have the knowledge regarding Holy Spirit?

It is well. You can have the last word but the point is made clear and if you close your eyes to it, it will be to your detriment. "Eternity is too long to be wrong."

I am not here to promote/exalt organisations for such will be thrust down to hell if they do not repent (Luke 10:10-16 KJV). I do not glory in man but in the Lord (2 Cor. 10:15-18, Jer. 9:23-24). You may keep up with your 'works' or 'fruits' that you believe only your organisation has. "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." - Galatians 6:14-17

Keep deceiving yourself!
If someone should ask you how far with a group that your daddy GOs has blacklisted now you'll start looking for ways to find faults but now someone tells you there are works of righteousness and all you're saying is "should glory"
Guy, there's nothing like eternity for sinners other than death that's what God told the first sinner Adam {Genesis 2:17, 3:19} and it will never change. It's either you live forever or return to non-existence (death) {Romans 6:7,23} immortality is a gift from God only for the righteous, but as for the wicked they're will PERISH! John 3:16
Get that straight into your head and stop peddling worthless credulous thoughts!

franklytrue:

It is well. You can have the last word but the point is made clear and if you close your eyes to it, it will be to your detriment. "Eternity is too long to be wrong."

I am not here to promote/exalt organisations for such will be thrust down to hell if they do not repent (Luke 10:10-16 KJV). I do not glory in man but in the Lord (2 Cor. 10:15-18, Jer. 9:23-24). You may keep up with your 'works' or 'fruits' that you believe only your organisation has. "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." - Galatians 6:14-17