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Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by CocoaOla: 9:08am On May 03, 2021
There is zero point in throwing money at a corrupt system. Where do you think all the aid money goes already? Think of all the charities and fundraisers.... And yet Nigerians still has largest poorest citizens in the world ... could it be that the money isn't making it to the people and their cause?


Let Nigeria start from true federalism it will save her unity and security on the long run
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Deadlytruth(m): 9:10am On May 03, 2021
helinues:


What have the states like Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, Lagos doing with their monthly Oyel money?

Anything to show for it?

What does the federal government taking the remaining 87% of the oil money have to show for it other than stories of it being looted by ministers and other federal appointment holders to be stashed away in foreign countries?
How morally right is it to steal someone's money and when he complains you ask him how much he has been able to judiciously use the little you give back to him as a token?

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Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Deadlytruth(m): 9:13am On May 03, 2021
Igbochief001:

I honestly don't care what ironsi did ..today is all that matters
Yesterday shaped today just as today will shape the future hence your concern about today.

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Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by helinues: 9:36am On May 03, 2021
Deadlytruth:


What does the federal government taking the remaining 87% of the oil money have to show for it other than stories of it being looted by ministers and other federal appointment holders to be stashed away in foreign countries?
How morally right is it to steal someone's money and when he complains you ask him how much he has been able to judiciously use the little you give back to him as a token?

So because FG are squandering their resources, state should follow suit?

Why should some state governors who have been lamenting of earning low be wasting billion of naira state resources to build churches and mosques?

Are churches and mosques an empowerment centre?

Are churches and mosques tourist centre?

Are churches and mosques paying taxes?

Are churches and mosques remitting monthly money to any state that build religious center?

Nigeria is recording more churches and mosques yet the rate of crime is increasing daily..

Between religious centre and rehab/correction centre which one is more important?

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Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Ttalk: 9:42am On May 03, 2021
helinues:


Wait, is it that you are finding it hard to comprehend what I have been writing or what?

What's stopping each region/state from developing their land now? Are they waiting for restructuring / or new country before they can embark on development?

Ordinary states in a region have not worked together, develop together, create jobs together.. Who will rescue the unviable state when oil money stopped?

Your arguments here is so irritating that it lacks any atom of common sense.

Do you need to be schooled to know that this federal arrangement is bound to fail.

What motivation do state government get when he cant generate electricity for his people but has to channel it to national grid.

Which state would be motivated to exploit his mineral resources when it purely on exclusive list.

Look every item that could make a state develop is bungled in exclusive list of that useless 1999 constitution.

Nigeria constitution is what makes state government lazy and bereft of ideas.
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by helinues: 9:46am On May 03, 2021
Ttalk:


Your arguments here is so irritating that it lacks any atom of common sense.

Do you need to be schooled to know that this federal arrangement is bound to fail.

What motivation do state government get when he cant generate electricity for his people but has to channel it to national grid.

Which state would be motivated to exploit his mineral resources when it purely on exclusive list.

Look every item that could make a state develop is bungled in exclusive list of that useless 1999 constitution.

Nigeria constitution is what makes state government lazy and bereft of ideas.

This Federal that you people have been putting all the blames on, Who are they exactly?

Is it a president that will change the constitution or the lawmakers?

Have the lawmakers presented any bills to change the unworking constitution?
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Ttalk: 9:53am On May 03, 2021
helinues:


Bro this argument no dey make sense aswear..

So you mean Southerners would present a development bill about their region and the northerners would just decided to vote against it cos they have the number in house and senate?

How are the rail, roads construction bills in Southern Nigeria are been passed? undecided

What happened to Lagos Status Bill that was thrown out of the red chamber?
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by sulaak(m): 9:56am On May 03, 2021
helinues:


Wait, is it that you are finding it hard to comprehend what I have been writing or what?

What's stopping each region/state from developing their land now? Are they waiting for restructuring / or new country before they can embark on development?

Ordinary states in a region have not worked together, develop together, create jobs together.. Who will rescue the unviable state when oil money stopped?

Does the region control their VAT?

Does the region control their import and export controls? Do you recall the closing of the borders last years, what region suffered from the lack of raw material from industrial development?

Who controls.... The Niger Delta Development Commission and The Nigeria Delta ministry that dominates economic development in the Niger -Delta.

Who controls the security architectures that allows banditry, Fulani's militant herdsmen to now hinder farming and economic transaction across the country.
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by helinues: 9:57am On May 03, 2021
Ttalk:


What happened to Lagos Status Bill that was thrown out of the red chamber?

How many Southerners supported it?
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Ttalk: 10:12am On May 03, 2021
helinues:


This Federal that you people have been putting all the blames on, Who are they exactly?

Is it a president that will change the constitution or the lawmakers?

Have the lawmakers presented any bills to change the unworking constitution?

That's just the narration of a typical Aboki when you confront him with restructuring.

Look, 1999 constitution is handed to us by some few military junta and does not in any way have input of generality of Nigeria, so it should be totally rejected and a new constitution is written.

Asking Nass to amend a faulty constitution is like trying to patch a faulty building. Nass members are product of bad 1999 constitution we are talking about and have no authority to give us new constitution.
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by helinues: 10:13am On May 03, 2021
Ttalk:


That's just the narration of a typical Aboki when you confront him with restructuring.

Look, 1999 constitution is handed to us by some few military junta and does not in any way have input of generality of Nigeria, so it should be totally rejected and a new constitution is written.

Asking Nass to amend a faulty constitution is like trying to patch a faulty building. Nass members are product of bad 1999 constitution we are talking about and have no authority to give us new constitution.

Toh,

Amma wait for my mates to engage with
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Dymaco(m): 10:22am On May 03, 2021
helinues:
You see why I said those who are shouting for restructuring are either a joker or they are confused...

Restructuring when ordinary LG are yet to have full autonomy?

Restructuring when the state governors have not created any new means of generating income but still depend heavily on monthly Oyel money.. Nothing like that again if the country is restructured.

Restructuring when state like Bayelsa is still struggling to pay salary upon 13% monthly derivative with population of less than 3 million people.

Restructuring when Kano has not partner with Gombe in assisting with development in the state?

Is Anambra going to share his income with Ebonyi state?

Can Lagos state bear the over burden of state like Ekiti?


let me ask you a question. If your fathers pays you #4m monthly, will be bother looking for another source of income?
That is the case of Nigeria governors. They know that every month, federal government will ditch out real money to them. That's why most felt relaxed or doesn't think means of increasing their state revenue without multiple taxing.

Restructuring is the key
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by pseudaria: 12:04pm On May 03, 2021
helinues:
You see why I said those who are shouting for restructuring are either a joker or they are confused...

Restructuring when ordinary LG are yet to have full autonomy?

Restructuring when the state governors have not created any new means of generating income but still depend heavily on monthly Oyel money.. Nothing like that again if the country is restructured.

Restructuring when state like Bayelsa is still struggling to pay salary upon 13% monthly derivative with population of less than 3 million people.

Restructuring when Kano has not partner with Gombe in assisting with development in the state?

Is Anambra going to share his income with Ebonyi state?

Can Lagos state bear the over burden of state like Ekiti?



That is what restructuring is all about. It is a top to bottom thing. LG autonomy, state legislative and judiciary autonomy, resource control with LG getting 13%, FG getting 10% while the state keeps the rest.
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by PHAYOL81: 1:50pm On May 03, 2021
Every single individual has spoken right. Restructuring is good and it will benefit some certain regions; and oh yes! Some regions would be badly affected too. But then, the misrepresentation that a certain economy would crumble is a evil wish that would never come to pass, by God's grace.
Of course, there may be a temporal slight decline due to slight changes in population but as a popular commercial entity with some considerable oil and gas in the region, the state should quickly rebound right back into reckoning especially being an important passage to the West African trade connections and stops. We just need to be very robust in our commercial/market structures, creation of more manufacturing units/FTZ, exportation and importation policies, strict border controls, partnerships and friendliness to the nations that matter, creating a more business-friendly environment and promoting creativity through socioeconomic indulgence. Eko lo lafe, Eko lo lako. We should build our creativity around our heritage, persons, sophistication and orientation and we should have a bigger entertainment industry than we have now.
Chill, guys. Lagos ain't crumbling whatever happens to Nigeria. Rather it would continue to progress.
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by NikAustine: 2:02pm On May 03, 2021
helinues:


Wait, is it that you are finding it hard to comprehend what I have been writing or what?

What's stopping each region/state from developing their land now? Are they waiting for restructuring / or new country before they can embark on development?

Ordinary states in a region have not worked together, develop together, create jobs together.. Who will rescue the unviable state when oil money stopped?
If we don't restructure today we will suffer tomorrow when oil money stops flowing. Today oil money can no longer fund our recurrent and capital expenditure...
so imagine how it will be like when finally there isn't any money...how will those supposed viable state/ non viable states survive then?

If we restructure today, merge Anambra with Ebonyi state , Imo with Enugu and abia... one way or the other..they will find a way to survive...yes, it might be hard at first but subsequently things will start getting into place...

Same thing with Akwa ibom and cross river and other states of the fdrtion.

What I'm trying to say is that let us restructure now and suffer it now...so that tomorrow we will enjoy now oil isnt already useless.
Imagine when it becomes absolutely useless...even the states with oil will suffer then
Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by ngjames2021: 2:41pm On May 03, 2021
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Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by Deadlytruth(m): 4:26pm On May 03, 2021
helinues:


So because FG are squandering their resources, state should follow suit?

Why should some state governors who have been lamenting of earning low be wasting billion of naira state resources to build churches and mosques?

Are churches and mosques an empowerment centre?

Are churches and mosques tourist centre?

Are churches and mosques paying taxes?

Are churches and mosques remitting monthly money to any state that build religious center?

Nigeria is recording more churches and mosques yet the rate of crime is increasing daily..

Between religious centre and rehab/correction centre which one is more important?


So because the state governors are squandering their revenues the federal government should withhold their it for the federal ministers to loot and keep away in foreign accounts which even they themselves may never be able to recover? When we were practising regional system did any regional government squander their resources?
What many and in fact most Nigerians don't understand is that it is true federalism and resource control that will actually instill accountability in both the federal and state governments. In case you are wondering how, here it is:

Unlike the present situation whereby the indigenes of a given state don't bother how governors spend the revenues accruing to their state either because they aren't involved in generating it or that they are consoled by the awareness that federal allocation will always come; under true federalism there will be no federal allocation but even state allocation to the federal government in the form of taxes on state revenue......meaning that the residents of each and every state will have to labour hard to generate revenue for the state and pay taxes from their sweat hence they will not gloss over waste of such hard earned revenue by their governors on things like religious pilgrimage sponsorship, donations to electioneering campaign fundraisers of other states of the same party, etc. That way, rather than vote based on zoning or ethnicity and risk having as governor a person who will drive the state to insolvency, people will start voting for governorship candidates based on records of their good financial administration and minimization of waste in handling funds.
Likewise, LGA chairmen will be constantly kept under the torchlight of the residents from whose local taxes LGA revenues will wholly be generated. With just 25% going to the FG, once the salaries of the military and staff of other federal agencies are paid, there will be little or nothing left to pay jumbo allowances to federal legislators let alone for the FG to flirt with the idea of paying amnesty to militants, Boko Haram, Bandits and give pipelines protection contracts to people like Asari Dokubo, Gani Adams, Tompolo or sustain fraudulent subsidies on imported petroleum products. In an atmosphere of absence of jumbo allowances for senators and representatives courtesy of the meger 25% going to the center, politics will lose its attraction to political investors and only accomplished veterans of different disciplines who genuinely want to serve and bring their professional experiences to bear on legislative business will seek public office while political investors will seek investments in other endeavours that will generate employments and the country will be better for it on the long run

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Re: Politics, Governance and Economy: How Do These Affect IGR Of States? by abnot: 9:45pm On May 03, 2021
helinues:


Typical Nigerian, using lazy governors excuses to debate on lack of development...

Why should Akwa Ibom be begging FG for good 12 years? Is it by begging or by presenting the bill at the legislative which can be debated on? Have Akwa Ibom past senators and reps done that?

So Enugu state waiting for FG to approve state land to air peace to build aviation maintenance hub? Abi Enugu state no get state land to give Air peace?

Wondering how much of lame excuses you have been bought by uncreative Nigeria political elites.

Buhari, Osinbajo, Tinubu and the then opposition all campaigned against the removal of fuel subsidy, they are now in power 5 years + but still telling us story about subsidy removal..

Politicians would always find an excuse for their lack of performance and incompetence..

If both Enugu and Akwa Ibom really want those things and serious about it, there are ways to go about it..

An MRO can only be in an airport. Investing in a full fledged MRO at Enugu airport would have been a big mistake for airpeace. Nigerian government are known to not keep/honour agreements. Airpeace is better off investing such in a state government owned airport (Asaba or newly developed Anambra airport). The bureaucracy involved in dealing with FG can run an investor out of business.

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