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Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Olaisrich(m): 1:46pm On May 04, 2011 |
[uhttp://www.?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnigerianbulletin.com%2F2011%2F05%2F04%2F%E2%80%98acn%E2%80%99ll-not-turn-down-ministerial-offer-from-jonathan-nigerian-tribune%2F%3Fsms_ss%3Dfacebook%26at_xt%3D4dc11d438f2254c2%252C0&h=c31b3rl][/url] Is that not going to be an unholy marriage? at this tjme when a credible opposition is needed,what is your views on this? |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 2:32pm On May 04, 2011 |
its pay back time for Acn for helping to win southwest,those were some of the agreements reached.They will get like 3 ministries |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by efisher(m): 2:36pm On May 04, 2011 |
Good development. What matters most is that Nigeria moves forward and everyone is on board (as much as possible). It is politics not war. CPC should watch and learn. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 2:44pm On May 04, 2011 |
However it may weaken the opposition ,but Acn as learnt from the last agreement which Ad made with PDP and PDP betrayed after by taking over southwest ,but now it will be different.AM happy that the whole south have come together ,we will have a better country soon. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by efisher(m): 2:58pm On May 04, 2011 |
If ACN leaders know what they are doing, it should make them stronger and not weaker. It will be an opportunity to showcase their competence at the national level. Even the republicans in USA are a major part of Obama's decision making process. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 3:42pm On May 04, 2011 |
ACN have stated definitively and officially that the Party is not interested in any "Government of National Unity". They hint that it is the PDP's way of weakening the opposition to provide a situation where the government of the day , undemocratically , has no critics . The ACN are happy to be a Government-in-waiting because there is every confidence that the next 4 years will cement the Party's reputation as one that is capable, more than others, of providing good leadership for Nigerians . This belief that the ACN will join a GNU ( see below) is the result of premature talk from an individual that is at odd with the stance reached by the Party. The Party have disowned his statement after meeting to officially take the stand of distancing the ACN from any GNU formed by GEJ. http://www.dailytrust.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18572:acn-ready-for-jonathans-gnu--ekiti-chair-he-is-on-his-own-says-party&catid=1:news&Itemid=2 ACN ready for Jonathan’s GNU – Ekiti chair - He is on his own, says party |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Lagosboy: 5:01pm On May 04, 2011 |
Gbawe: Man mi, u still dey town ? did u get the last mail? |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 5:05pm On May 04, 2011 |
Lagosboy: I go check now . I dey leave on Tuesday. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by efisher(m): 8:59am On Jun 02, 2011 |
Gbawe: <Coughs> So what's the story just after May 29? Find out here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-680715.0.html |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 9:06am On Jun 02, 2011 |
shame of a culture!!!!!! Where are those who keep claiming ACN as a party have any philosophy different from PDP? I have said it, people should stop confusing the efforts of Fashola and Lagos to mean there is anything different about ACN as a party. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 10:07am On Jun 02, 2011 |
efisher: Please give it a rest. So what if Tinubu met with GEJ? Has Tinubu not always stated that the ACN will always be interested to hear what the Government has to say so far as efforts are sincerely aimed at moving Nigeria forward? If GEJ does not want to fail he should be seeking advice from the likes of Tinubu , rather than the usual brainless AGIPS lobbying the Presidency intensively, because the ACN boss is known to be capable of recognizing and faciliating achievers. GEJ could just be picking Tinubu's brain and it is only the most inobjective Nigerians who would have a problem with that notion considering that so many enemies of progress , who do not believe in giving nada back to Nigeria and Nigerians, have now laid seige to Aso rock intent on sponsoring themselves or their rapacious cronies into influential positions. Trust me, GEJ needs to talk to folks like Tinubu if he wants to succeed. GEJ himself has been shocked by the "greed" of PDP lobbyist to the extent he openly spoke about how some were presenting their sons and daughters for important office !!!!! Mr. President has no choice but to look beyond what is offered by the PDP if he genuinely wants Nigeria to make progress. Folks can hate Tinubu all they want but no one can accuse him , as is the case with OBJ, of sponsoring deleterious mediocrities alone. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by emekagh(m): 10:12am On Jun 02, 2011 |
ACN is just flip-floping; changing their position on a daily bases. The so call ideological differences btw ACN and PDP is non-existent. They are both bird of a feather. Tinubu need work with GEJ if only to cover his corrupt ar/se. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 10:21am On Jun 02, 2011 |
mikeansy: The ACN have shown , with actual leadership feats, that they indeed have a different philosophy to the PDP. I don't understand where someone as intelligent as yourself is going with this blanket demonisation of the ACN. Have you noted their actual daily leadership actions that sets them apart from the PDP? Where were you when it was ACN legislators who vehemently opposed the confirmation of an ambassadorial nominee who , amongst other things, did not know our National anthem? The PDP , as usual , moved for her confirmation because "she will learn on the Job" while the ACN stated firmly that "Nigeria must reject mediocrity for the sake of progress". There are several examples like this where the ACN , in real situations that matter, has behaved with ideological steadfastness. Those are the real and actual indices that set the ACN apart from the PDP i.e the conduct of respective ACN leaders in actual office . For you to now rashly declare them as no different to the PDP simply because Tinubu met GEJ is indicative of lack of objectivity. You should give us real examples, when critical decision making impacting on lives is concerned, of the ACN consistently behaving as rapaciously as the PDP to the extent that they merit your blanket categorization. Since GEJ won we have seen many erstwhile intelligent commentators , by ommission or commission, become apologists of the PDP and , by default, casual critics of th ACN. It is now fashionable to minutely srutinize what the ACN is doing so as to establish they are "no better than the PDP" thus justifying how some have now embraced the PDP , warts and all, because of their support for GEJ. The ACN is far better than the PDP in ideology and actual deeds. That is the truth for anyone who cares to investigate or has a decent knowledge of the actual behaviour of our politicians in influential office. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 10:30am On Jun 02, 2011 |
emeka_gh: I think some of you just talk for the sake of it while others , perhaps those from his region, feel that because they support GEJ (and by default the PDP) they must now casually demonize the ACN. Do you follow our politicians beyond their utterances? Do you , for example, know of the diligence of the ACN legislators in comparision to the majority PDP legislators? If you did and you focus on actual deeds you would know that the ACN is far different to the PDP in ideology . It is like night and day. While the ACN has many individuals desirous of moving Nigeria forward , and we see this with their actual conducts, the PDP , as reiterated by the USA, is mainly a congregation of folks who have gotten together for self-interest alone. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 11:03am On Jun 02, 2011 |
Gbawe I am not going to question your intelligence or how you apply it, but I do know you understand what political philosophy means. Left or Right, conservative or liberal depends on how a party see the right of the "individual" vs the "State". Stance on "free market economics", their stance of "Welfare", their stance on "public institutions" vs "privatisation". Can you actually demonstrate coherently where ACN stand on these issues, what policies of the ACN makes them a Liberal or Progressive party and whether these ideologies and examples have clearly been demonstrated by all ACN controlled state governments? These are what make political parties progressive or conservative. Being against PDP or any ruling Government does not make you a progressive by default. What makes you a progressive is what you stand for. PDP does not have a coherent ideology. The same applies to ACN, in fact no political party in Nigeria stands for anything. They are all simply platforms to contest elections. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by efisher(m): 11:07am On Jun 02, 2011 |
I strongly believe ACN has a lot to offer in terms of governance. The reason I resurrected this thread is to correct the erroneous impression some of us here had that ACN will never have anything to do with PDP. Some have the impression that PDP is made up of demons and ACN made up of angels. Many have said "Nothing good can come out of PDP" etc. The lesson to learn is simple. Politics is about interests. It is not war. Bottom line: all hands should be on deck to move the nation forward. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 11:09am On Jun 02, 2011 |
Are you having a laugh? Your example of calling ACN a progressive party is because they insisted a nominated candidate must know how to sing the National Anthem? This is a pure joke Gbawe. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by petertosh: 11:28am On Jun 02, 2011 |
Gbawe you will do well to avoid the likes of mikeansy. i used to think he was a brilliant and fair chap in his analysis on this forum. But lately he has gone way below expectation. cherry picking arguments (as can be seen from his last post and on many other topics) is disgraceful to say the least. A pity when some of the few brilliant members we have on this forum decides to look at issues through rose tinted glasses. Again I say its a big shame. I may not have contributed anything to this discussion but I just have to point this out. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 11:40am On Jun 02, 2011 |
peter_tosh: Why not contribute to the argument and let the world see the premise of your stance. There is no need abusing Mikeansy because you enjoy the anonimity of your computer and yet fail to present an alternative/superior argument. I think we should all be more grown up than that!!!!! |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by blacksta(m): 12:23pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
Why do people like flogging a dead horse. After meeting yesterday with GEJ- The spokes person for ACN cant remember his name clearly stated to the press that ACN was not interested in any ministerial positions - It is was on TV yesterday. Even Tinubu confirmed it himself. So i cant understand who writes these articles |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 12:48pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
mikeansy: It is becoming obvious , and even as I am loath to admit it, that Peter Tosh is right about you. You no longer write like the intelligent contributor who was able to be objective consistently. it is obvious that the National anthem example is merely to illustrate that the ACN is about meritorious deployment of human resources yet you try to rubbish the main point as a "pure joke" . The crux of the matter still relies on you showing , with real examples and in real situation, that the ACN behaves just as rapaciously as the PDP in manners that has now gained the ruling Party international infamy. otherwise you must admit you are wrong to imply that the ACN is no different to the PDP. Effective analysts and observeres will agree that it is the actual political behaviour of politicians that must lead us to indict or praise them in comparison to others. It is very wrong to make a sweeping statement categorizing the ACN negatively because Tinubu met GEJ !!! Did Ngige not also meet GEJ as well at the same time (see below) as a clear signal that this may just be about GEJ picking the brains of those who stand for progress? What you must do to show that your blanket and , IMO, hasty and outrightly wrong categorization of the ACN , not all all in consonant with behaviour on the ground of ACN politicians in comparison to their PDP peers, is to prove , with real example, that the ACN have shown a predilection for callous opportunism consistently !!! Please provide historical evidence , accross all arms and tiers of Governance, where the ACN has acted with the deleterious selfishness and callousness of the PDP. When you claim the ACN is entirely about Lagos and Fashola alone one can see that you are now openly pandering to mischief because that notion defies logic if one is talking about about the conduct of ACN politicians in all arms of Nigerian Governance beyond the myopic focus on gubernatorial endeavours alone. Folks should justify , with what Tinubu says below, any basis for attacking him or the ACN. Must the ACN stop attending meetings convened with the intentions to brainstorm for ways to move Nigeria forward. Some folks need to understand the difference between being in the opposition and being an outright and unhelpful feudalist. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/06/jonathan-in-talks-with-tinubu-akume-akande-ngige-others/ [b]Jonathan in talks with Tinubu, Akume, Akande, Ngige, others[/b]On June 2, 2011 · In Headlines , |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 1:18pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
blacksta: Thank you OOO my brother. How can the ACN be indicted negatively for meeting with GEJ? The ACN , or any Party for that matter, As nationalistic stakeholders concerned with the progress of Nigeria , should never stop providing the Government with a listening ear. Not wanting to serve in GEJ Government is not at all the same as refusing outrightly and bellicosely to listen to what the President of Nigeria has to say because there is the chance that we are wrong about GEJ. Wether we personally like it or not , the man seems to have the mandate of Nigerians . Those of us who are democratic will respect that mandate even if we don't respect the man. To that end everyone should listen to what GEJ has to say and make decisions based on the utterances of the President. What type of Country do we want if parties , supposedly all interested in the progress of Nigeria, cannot even be minimally civil and cordial towards each other? Base feudalism now has to be rejected because , even with anomalies , it seems GEJ is the President Nigerians wanted. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by petertosh: 1:29pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
@Mikeansy. I have no intention to abuse/insult your person. if you think so, I hereby tender my unreserved apology. You have to understand that not every member of this forum is interested in making a comment. Although most of us look forward to read opinions of people like you, oyb, gbawe and beaf (I do not necessarily agree with most of his views, just a means of viewing the other side of the coin) and a lot of other forumites. Again, my apologies. @all. Sorry for posting out of topic. btw. I would like to know why most people want ACN to fail? I am not a member of the party. Just curious. Thanks. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by ektbear: 1:56pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
peter_tosh: In short, tribalism and bad belle. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Gbawe: 3:54pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
ekt_bear: I am beginning to believe this is the case more and more. There is no bad name , under the Sun, the Nairaland fans of GEJ (most who are not from the SW) have not called Tinubu yet their hero, Mr. President , clearly rates the input of Tinubu as he is always consulting with the ACN boss and seeking his audience !!! Some people think that Nigerian politics is remotely similar to the feudalistic "fight everyone to a standstill" colouration they rant about on NL. GEJ , himself, has been disgusted with the antics of the PDP to the point of moaning publicly about the "greed" and anti-progressive "selfishness" of PDP lobbyist . Jonathan will realise that he will sink quickly without having governmental advice/input from Tinubu et al that will help him balance the rapacious and selfish demands coming from within his own Party . There is absolutely nothing wrong with GEJ , for example , wanting to know who Tinubu would reccomend for certain Government positions because , admit it or deny it, Tinubu does seem to empower achievers . There is no indication at all that this meeting entailed any horsetrading. Any PDP President who wants to exclude inputs from opposition Parties , only to rely on the self-serving Vultures in his own Party, is doomed to fail. All of us do it in life i.e seek the opinion of those who are neutral and uncompromised because we feel they may be better placed to tell us the truth. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by efisher(m): 4:22pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
^ Now we are on the same page. ACN can decide to take it a step further by recommending their own best brains to partake actively in GEJ's government. There is also nothing wrong with that. Nigeria will be better for it. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 6:13pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
The future of Nigeria is bleak if this is how the youths carry themselves or even those who claim to be of a different standard by being in opposition. Folks are claiming their party is progressive, I say it is not and challenge them to demonstrate how. Instead of defending their claim to moral high ground all I got is accusations of tribalism or not being intelligent anymore. Well if sounding intelligent in your book means I must say things pleasing to your ear all the time then we have a problem because for all I know intelligent people also do disagree. Every argument I have made on this thread, I have also made against folks like Onlytruth and Eziachi when debating about APGA. And I said at the time just as I am saying now that APGA stands for nothing because it can not be placed anywhere on the political spectra of Right, Left or Centre. I did not sound tribalist when I made this argument against APGA, but now that I am making the same argument against ACN all of a sudden it has tribalism written all over it. A successful oppotion is in the interest of Nigeria. In fact I have argued that if the opposition tried to maintain a more moral high ground PDP will buckle up and that can only be good for Nigeria. However while being against the Government in power can qualify you as an opposition political party, it does not and will never qualify you as having some kind of established ideology. Ideologies are demonstrated in how parties craft their policies, what they stand for as per their world view on the relationship between the individual and the state and what is the way forward. The fundamentals/basics of these ideologies will also be commonplace where people of that political party are in power. I maintain that ACN as APGA as PDP as ANPP are simply platforms to win election and currently stand for no known ideologies. Anybody who argues otherwise must come up with demonstrated facts to defend any claim that their party is different. Reining abuses is the kind of thuggish behaviour we have come to dislike about PDP and their folks so using the same tactic to defend your position only justifies my argument. If you want to lay claim to a moral high ground then you must be ready to defend it. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Nobody: 6:20pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
Something as simple as telling us what their party stands for, Gbawe has failed to tell us. Something as simple as showing us how these values their party stands for has been replicated in all ACN states Gbawe has also failed to tell us. Again being less greedy or selfish (as mush as the extent to which this is true is open to debate) is not a political ideology. It does not make your party a progressive party. Because in history we have seen very greedy folks both on the right or on the left of politics. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by emekagh(m): 10:17pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
Gbawe: There is nothing wrong with my comment. The fact remains that ACN is flip-flopping; changing their positions on every comment at the least opportunity. Secondly, there is nothing 'regional' about my comment. Your blind alliance to regional sentiment is one of your greatest Achilles heels. What is demonising about stating the obvious? ACN has said severally that they wont join the GEJ government, perhaps money has changed hand; or Tinubu has now benefited immensely from the 'benevolence' of the 'evil' PDP; that he can now romance openly with the devil. But like I said, your blind alliance to ACN will not allow you to think rationally, hence your haste to defend ACN, and attack those who think otherwise. And please spare me the load of crap about ACN having individuals desirous of moving Nigeria forward. Which silly forward are they moving Nigeria to? This: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-673905.0.html ? Cos those are the kind of junks (Tinubu inclusive) hiding behind Fashola in your beloved ACN. I have nothing against ACN, but please stop this holier than though attitude about ACN. We know a lot of PDP governors that are doing very well in their states. ACN is no saint, and no less corrupt than PDP, especially as long as crooks like Tinubu hold sway. And finally, talking too much on Nairaland does not make you an authority on this sort of debate any other at that. Enjoy! |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by jensinmi(m): 10:17pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
@Gbawe: Please surrender this conversation to the emeka_gh and mikeansy. The truth is that ACN has revealed itself to be a party of flip-floppers. Kindly note that when Jide Awe (ACN Ekiti Chairman) came out to say ACN was willing to work with PDP for a better Nigeria, the party leaders came out in full force to shout him down. That article is quoted earlier on in this thread. A few days later, They said the following http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5699105-146/story.csp
If the same leaders who came out to say this three weeks ago are now running to Aso Rock to meet Jonathan, then I wonder what that spells. Therefore, our position is clear. We have banned courtesy visit to any government that is not a member of ACN whether at local, state or federal level. I won't even talk about the nonsense they were saying some months ago about the difference between internal democracy within a party and external democracy between all parties. What a load of bullcrap. Tinubu is going there to benefit his pocket and not the common Nigerian. Just like Mikeansy said, ACN is thriving on the name and hard work of Babatunde Raji Fashola. None of the other ACN governors have half of what he has to offer. That's just my opinion. However, only time will make all of this clear. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by Johndoe100(m): 10:47pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
peter_tosh: Cos they are over hyped . Fundamentally there is very little to differentiate them from the other parties. |
Re: Acn Will Not Turn Down Ministerial Offer From Gej by dayokanu(m): 11:37pm On Jun 02, 2011 |
Johndoe100: Well thats your own opinion though But I think its only the most mischievious of human that would say theres is little to differentiate Fashola from Obanikoro/Dosunmu Ajimobi from Akala Amosun from OGD/Olurin Olorunmibe Mamora from Bankole Professor Adeyeye from Iyiola Omisore/Isiaka Adeleke Aregbesola from Oyinlola Fayemi from Fayose/Segun Oni Who in ACN comes close to Tony Anenih, OBJ, Ciroma, etc I have challenged anyone here to compare an ACN run state like Lagos to any state in the country putting into consideration Population and available income No one has taken the challenge |
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