Some muslims claim he was a good muslim and Osama had followers who fellowship with him and constantly hit their forehead on the floor 10 times a day in the name of Allah. Knowing full well how evil this man was, is it possible that Allah will reward him in heaven because he ferociously worshiped him although in a kinky sorta way?.

It is for Allah the Almighty to decide if a person will go to Heaven of Hell. We speculating about a persons intentions or fate is meaningless, Allah is the ultimate Judge, His Mercy precedes over his Wrath. Only Allah knows what a persons true intention is, So Allah alone knows our fate.
May Allah the Most Merciful, Forgive us All.
Ameen.

azharuddin:

It is for Allah the Almighty to decide if a person will go to Heaven of Hell. We speculating about a persons intentions or fate is meaningless, Allah is the ultimate Judge, His Mercy precedes over his Wrath. Only Allah knows what a persons true intention is, So Allah alone knows our fate.
May Allah the Most Merciful, Forgive us All.
Ameen.

So if Osama's "true intentions" for killing thousands in 9-11 is for the sake of Allah, he will be led into heaven freely by Allah because he fought for Him even though he committed evil?. Is that what you are saying?

We don't even know if he was the mastermind behind the killings. It was the American government that declared him as responsible. I don't trust them completely, well I don't trust any Government for that matter.

Now back to the topic, Allah is so Merciful that he may forgive any Sin except 'Shirk' ( associating partners with Allah). But even 'Shirk' will be forgiven if one repents sincerely and comes to Allah's Path. On the contrary, Even after doing lots of worship if a person does Sins like troubling ones neighbour with his/her tongue Allah may punish the person regardless.

So the bottomline is we do not know what All Usama Bin Laden did. Only Allah the Almighty knows the complete picture, and it is for him to decide. He may or may not Forgive him. He is the ultimate Judge, But remember he is the most Merciful too. And for us to speculate on his Judgment is a bit far-fetched and pointless.

[i]Say: O My servants who have transgressed against their own souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful. ([/i]Surah az-Zumar 39:53)

May Allah save us from the torment of Hell fire. Ameen.

azharuddin:

We don't even know if he was the mastermind behind the killings. It was the American government that declared him as responsible. I don't trust them completely, well I don't trust any Government for that matter.

Now back to the topic, Allah is so Merciful that he may forgive any Sin except 'Shirk' ( associating partners with Allah). But even 'Shirk' will be forgiven if one repents sincerely and comes to Allah's Path. On the contrary, Even after doing lots of worship if a person does Sins like troubling ones neighbour with his/her tongue Allah may punish the person regardless.

So the bottomline is we do not know what All Usama Bin Laden did. Only Allah the Almighty knows the complete picture, and it is for him to decide. He may or may not Forgive him. He is the ultimate Judge, But remember he is the most Merciful too. And for us to speculate on his Judgment is a bit far-fetched and pointless.

[i]Say: O My servants who have transgressed against their own souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful. ([/i]Surah az-Zumar 39:53)

May Allah save us from the torment of Hell fire. Ameen.

Oh yes he was, trust me. If he was penitent in order for allah to accept him, he would have come out of hiding, rather, he was busy planning another attack on US soil.

i dont know if osama will make it into paradise.but i'm sure of one thing:killing innocent people does not take you into paradise but can land you in hell fire.

a similar thread on osama was already opened:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-659269.0.html

osama is in heven cos muhammed is there

^^^^^^^^^^^ there is heaven and there are paradise and hell in it.

heaven[s] are 7 levels and that is not the place that anyone will end up

paradise is many levels.

hell has many grades from bad to worst parts.

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^^^ there is heaven and there are paradise and hell in it.

heaven[s] are 7 levels and that is not the place that anyone will end up

paradise is many levels.

hell has many grades from bad to worst parts.

Which one can Mohammed help you attain?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is an ostrich head in the sand syndrome.

Muhammad [AS] was given mandate [The Quran] as a mouth piece of God on earth [thats what Messengers and Prophets of God were].

read the Quran you will see where God says that man should follow and obey Muhammad if man loves God. God will love man back and forgives and make the path/affair of man easy. I am sure you don't punish a person you love and God will not punish a man He loves.

Other parts of the Quran, God says He will admit believing man and believing woman into Paradise. Even you, aloy/emeka know that non muslims [christians for example] say that the paradise of the Muslims is super entertainment.

So how do you not know the answer of where Muslims who true believers and do good deeds will end up?Do you think Islamic Paradise is created for any group other than Muslims?

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is an ostrich head in the sand syndrome.

Muhammad [AS] was given mandate [The Quran] as a mouth piece of God on earth [thats what  Messengers and Prophets of God were].

read the Quran you will see where God says that man should follow and obey Muhammad if man loves God. God will love man back and forgives and make the path/affair of man easy. I am sure you don't punish a person you love and God will not punish a man He loves.

Other parts of the Quran, God says He will admit believing man and believing woman into Paradise. Even you, aloy/emeka know that non muslims [christians for example] say that the paradise of the Muslims is super entertainment.

So how do you not know the answer of where Muslims who true believers and do good deeds will end up?Do you think Islamic Paradise is created for any group other than Muslims?

You heard that from which christian?. Christians believe that muslims are condemned to hell fire because they do idol worshipping instead of God almighty.

good answer! thank sweetnecta

AM VERY SURE BIN LADEN IS WHERE IS MASTER ( THE ONE HE BELIEVES IN ) IS, VERY SURE , CAN SOMEONE GUESS WHERE?

PLEASE3 LET US KNOW THE NUMBER OF PARADISES AND HEAVENS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONGSIDE WITH THEIR NAMES?

@Aloy/Emeka; « #10 on: Yesterday at 01:12:48 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:54:18 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is an ostrich head in the sand syndrome.

Muhammad [AS] was given mandate [The Quran] as a mouth piece of God on earth [thats what Messengers and Prophets of God were].

read the Quran you will see where God says that man should follow and obey Muhammad if man loves God. God will love man back and forgives and make the path/affair of man easy. I am sure you don't punish a person you love and God will not punish a man He loves.

Other parts of the Quran, God says He will admit believing man and believing woman into Paradise. Even you, aloy/emeka know that non muslims [christians for example] say that the paradise of the Muslims is super entertainment.

So how do you not know the answer of where Muslims who true believers and do good deeds will end up?Do you think Islamic Paradise is created for any group other than Muslims?

You heard that from which christian?. Christians believe that muslims are condemned to hell fire because they do idol worshipping instead of God almighty.[/Quote]My Paradise [Jannah] is your Hell. I understand and i agree with you. Your heaven, is what i do not know if it is your paradise. however i do know that heavens are 7 in layers one above the other below it, enveloping it as one bigger box envelopes a smaller box that is put inside it. The first heaven envelopes in the same way earth and all that is under the first heaven, while the 7th heaven envelopes all that have been enveloped before it. yey islamic paradise is after this. i often wonder how One Supreme God Who actually reveals to mankind His Personal Name is an idol in the mind of an one who says his God is in 3 parts?

is 3 parter God anything logical while 1 part of this had said he was only a messenger prophet unable to do anything on his own before he died? is this comparable to The One God Who declares Himself as such and provide evidences that we can see, feel and know?

Sweetnecta:

@Aloy/Emeka; « #10 on: Yesterday at 01:12:48 PM »My Paradise [Jannah] is your Hell. I understand and i agree with you. Your heaven, is what i do not know if it is your paradise. however i do know that heavens are 7 in layers one above the other below it, enveloping it as one bigger box envelopes a smaller box that is put inside it. The first heaven envelopes in the same way earth and all that is under the first heaven, while the 7th heaven envelopes all that have been enveloped before it. yey islamic paradise is after this. i often wonder how One Supreme God Who actually reveals to mankind His Personal Name is an idol in the mind of an one who says his God is in 3 parts?

is 3 parter God anything logical while 1 part of this had said he was only a messenger prophet unable to do anything on his own before he died? is this comparable to The One God Who declares Himself as such and provide evidences that we can see, feel and know?

We are not discussing trinity here because I don't think you are intelligent enough to embark on theological debates. However, which of the 7 part paradise is your Bin laden?. How many virgins will be reserved for him there by your allah?

GBASKY:

AM VERY SURE BIN LADEN IS WHERE IS MASTER ( THE ONE HE BELIEVES IN ) IS, VERY SURE , CAN SOMEONE GUESS WHERE?

PLEASE3 LET US KNOW THE NUMBER OF PARADISES AND HEAVENS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONGSIDE WITH THEIR NAMES?

He forgot his indecency on earth, maybe his master, mohaMAD will provide more porns for him in paradise.

@Gbasky and Aloy/Emeeka; « #15 on: Today at 03:22:04 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: GBASKY on Yesterday at 10:16:10 PM
AM VERY SURE BIN LADEN IS WHERE IS MASTER ( THE ONE HE BELIEVES IN ) IS, VERY SURE , CAN SOMEONE GUESS WHERE? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

PLEASE3 LET US KNOW THE NUMBER OF PARADISES AND HEAVENS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONGSIDE WITH THEIR NAMES?

He forgot his indecency on earth, maybe his master, mohaMAD will provide more porns for him in paradise. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy[/Quote]Gbasky, if your statement of 'the one he believed in' is the yardstick of where he is, then pick a number from many levels of the many level of Paradises starting from the lowest to the highest. He as a muslim believed in every prophet, from Adam to Muhammad where in between you find Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Samuel, David, Solomon, Zachariah, John the son of Zachariah, Jesus [AS} just to name a few.

We in Islam believes that his belief and his good deeds are prerequisites for him to receive Mercy [inchaAllah] of his Merciful Lord, and it is your belief in no Onenesss of your Lord that is most important in what you will deficient in on that Day to not receive Mercy of your Lord. All of the above that of Osama and yours and definitely mine and all creation is the Sole Ownership of our Lord and no one else.

Aloy/Emeka, i read how thorough Imam Buchary was in collecting his hadith. on one occasion, he went to meet a person who he was informed to have many 10s of thousands hadith. he arrived at the place of this man and found him trying to get his horse to come to him. the man had cupped his hand so that the horse will approach him, thinking that in his cupped hands, there was grains to eat.

Imam buckary [ra] saw the same hands and there was nothing in it for that horse to it and only for that reason he he did not collect a single hadith narration from him, not wanting to take anything from a man who simply deceive his own animal, at the time of 'need' to get the animal to come to him.

yet in all of the process of the hadith he collected, i am sure that some of them will be weak and inauthentic. Afterall, he was not a prophet and his book of hadith could not rival what our Lord revealed to His Messenger [as]. I have set you up now for my opinion about what is claimed that Osama bin laden did.


I am talking about anything i can't verify, because i will not know. but it is very peculiar that by the end of the day on 911, the tower 7 that was some distant fell because the owner said that it should be 'pulled'.

it is surprising that by the next day or the third day, a passport of one of the 'hijackers' was found in the ruin, while no 'furniture, other papers' and even significant parts of the airplanes' can't be found.

it is unusual to quickly ferry the steel without investigation for americans to see to far away china.

it is on the backdrop of these that bring me to the truth or untruth of the incident at 'bay of tonkin' in the pacific to get america into an earlier war. i will intentionally avoid what happened in 'pearl harbor' and 'bay of pig'. but i will now close with event of Colin Powell at the Security Council of the UN in New York City with his "Niger republic's Yellow cake" that got the US into still on going conflict in Iraq.

Was there a yellow cake? You be the judge. But let your conscience lead you.


As for Muhammad [AS], while you have no clue of reality, if it was not for islam, those you criticize in islam for bad behavior would have been worse. I do know that some male and female folks will be like 'dogs' in their easiness to get into 'all kinda sex'. Thank Allah Who provided Muhammad [AS] as the example for my generation to follow. When it comes to sex, and you know sex is important, is there a one with moderation to better take from?

i would have to be a bachelor for life and in less than 100 years, the would would have no human that can procreate in it, if we follow Jesus.
we will lose our heads when we speak the truth to prick the conscience of a hardened enemy if we follow John Zacharias.

we will have wives and concubines if we follow Solomon the wise.
we will steal other peoples wives and get the husbands killed if we follow David.

we will get our house helps pregnant if we follow Abraham.

we will have sex with our daughters if we follow Lot.
we will have to be a drunk and our sons will see our unclothedness if we follow Noah.

Our wives will be the one to take 100% blame when we are even wrong if we follow Adam.

Our wives will connive against us to hurt our sons if we follow Isaac.

our sons will lie to us when they hurt their siblings if we follow Jacob.


All of the above is from your bible, ol boy! deal with it.

with my what i dont know above, how are we sure of what is actually gotten from his home, considering a smear campaign my be the only thing at work here? i am considering the 'yellow cake' issue which was a lie, as well as donald rumfeld could be seen as a friend of sadaam hussaine in the 1980s which was the truth, while in baby bush's time [baby duvalier style of identity] the same don rumfeld couldn't wait to get saddam killed which was the truth.

you see the pattern of lacing lies with at best truth, and at worst in reality its all lie.

what do i expect from you when you can even accept a dead god! i'm done here. it will be a waste of time to continue this back and forth when you already dug your heels in.

Sweetnecta:

I am talking about anything i can't verify, because i will not know. but it is very peculiar that by the end of the day on 911, the tower 7 that was some distant fell because the owner said that it should be 'pulled'.

it is surprising that by the next day or the third day, a passport of one of the 'hijackers' was found in the ruin, while no 'furniture, other papers' and even significant parts of the airplanes' can't be found.

it is unusual to quickly ferry the steel without investigation for americans to see to far away china.

it is on the backdrop of these that bring me to the truth or untruth of the incident at 'bay of tonkin' in the pacific to get america into an earlier war. i will intentionally avoid what happened in 'pearl harbor' and 'bay of pig'. but i will now close with event of Colin Powell at the Security Council of the UN in New York City with his "Niger republic's Yellow cake" that got the US into still on going conflict in Iraq.

Was there a yellow cake? You be the judge. But let your conscience lead you.

Are you one of these conspiracy theorists who wants to blame the 9/11 events on the USA?. Yello cake or not, Osama unleashed terror in NY in 9/11.

As for Muhammad [AS], while you have no clue of reality, if it was not for islam, those you criticize in islam for bad behavior would have been worse. I do know that some male and female folks will be like 'dogs' in their easiness to get into 'all kinda sex'. Thank Allah Who provided Muhammad [AS] as the example for my generation to follow. When it comes to sex, and you know sex is important, is there a one with moderation to better take from?

I don't know how worse Osama would have been. A long bearded scary muslim who is very dangerous especially to women who he captured against their will and rape at will. He was also a porn addict. Tell me what virtue that Islam helped him achieve?.
Did you say worse?. That is the acceptance of mediocrity because Jesus will transform your life entirely and not make you a "better" or pseudo evil terrorist.

i would have to be a bachelor for life and in less than 100 years, the would would have no human that can procreate in it, if we follow Jesus.
we will lose our heads when we speak the truth to prick the conscience of a hardened enemy if we follow John Zacharias.

we will have wives and concubines if we follow Solomon the wise.
we will steal other peoples wives and get the husbands killed if we follow David.

we will get our house helps pregnant if we follow Abraham.

we will have sex with our daughters if we follow Lot.
we will have to be a drunk and our sons will see our unclothedness if we follow Noah.

Our wives will be the one to take 100% blame when we are even wrong if we follow Adam.

Our wives will connive against us to hurt our sons if we follow Isaac.

our sons will lie to us when they hurt their siblings if we follow Jacob.


All of the above is from your bible, ol boy! deal with it.

The problems with muslims is due to inferiority complex, they read our bible even though Christians don't give a rats behind about their quran or what it contains because they already know it is a lie. Is that why muslims wants to bomb Christians?. And no, we don't do follow follow in Christianity, we rather worship God and not following Isaac or Jacob or Noah etc. Is that why majority of male muslims are paedophiles? because they follow Mohammed who married 9 year old girls. More grease to their elbows as they increase cases of VVF in Northern Nigeria. What a pathetic religion Islam is!

YOU MUSLOMS CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU READ IT COS YOU DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT

AND WHEN YOU TALK OF TRINITY ( THE FATHER , THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT) THEY CAN NOT BE SEPARATED AS EVRY HUMAN BEING IS MADE UP OF THE SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY.

AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ISLAMIC WAS FOUNDED BY THE SON ( ISMAEL) OF THE SLAVE GIRL HAGGAI WHILE CHRISTIANS ARE FROM THE SON ( ISAAC0 OF THE FREE WOMAN (SARAH) AND REMEMBER THAT GOD PROMISED ABRAHAM THAT HE WILL HAVE CHILDREN LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA ( MUSLIMS) AND ALSO LIKE THE STARS IN THE SKY ( CHRISTIANS0 THATS WHY CHRISTIANS CALLS THEMSELVES CHILDREN OF GOD WHILE MUSLIMS CALLS THEMSELVES SLAVES OF GOD

ALSO, THE LIFE STYLE OF MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT BE A THING OF SURPRISE AS GOD PROCLAIMED THAT ISMAEL WILL BE A VAGABOND AND ROAMING ABOUT AND THAT HIS HANDS WILL BE ON HIS BROTHER ( ISAAC) FOR EVIL THAT IS WHY MUSLIMS ARE THE TERRORISTS, FANATICS, BACKWARD, UN CIVILIZED, HEART HARDENED, AND THE GENERAL PROBLEM OF THE WORLD.

LASTLY I WILL LIKE TO SHARE THIS BITTER TRUTH, PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS SENT BY GOD BUT HE FAILED GOD AS THE MESSAGE GOD SENT THROUGH HIM WAS WRONGLY DELIVERED TO THE PEOPLE FOR HIS SELFISH INTEREST AND FOR THIS , HE IS IN CHAINS IN HELL, BELIEVE ME IT IS THE TRUTH I SAW HIM THERE.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT WORSHIPING JESUS CHRIST BUT WORSHIPING OUR FATHER GOD THROUGH HIM AS ALL HAVE SINNED AND HAVE COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD AND AS ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS LIKE A FILTHY RAG BEFORE GOD BUT JESUS CHRIST IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT CAN TAKE US TO GOD

I was surffing the net and came accross this statement:

Killing women, children, and civilians indiscriminately (from the Muslims and Non-Muslims) has no basis in the Qur’an and Sunnah. Islam is free from this. Islam is free from the tactics of Bin Laden the shaytan. Return to your deen Oh Muslims, and avoid the pitfalls of these ignorant fools calling to your destruction!

Bin Laden was of the Khawarij. He pronounced takfir without knowledge. He made fatawa without knowledge. He abandoned the Ulema, and chose “His-lam” over Islam. He was a stain, a blemish on the Ummah…and we as Muslims will never find success until we return to the Book and the Sunnah.

And what have his tactics achieved but more aggression upon the Muslims, more killing, more fitna and confusion? I feel sad that to the Non-Muslims, he has become the face of Islam. Where is the daw’ah? Where is the invitation to the truth? Where is the methodology of the Prophet (SAW) and his companions (RA)?

Btw…he sure liked to film himself. Who has that much footage of themselves walking around, eating, and posing with guns? It would be comical if it wasn’t so sickening.