philfearon:

Okpoko... Ronaldinho won it in 2005 without the UCL, Messi won it in 2012 without the UCL, C. Ronaldo won it in 2013 without the UCL.
Like i said, it's because the award has been bastardized, that's why the likes of you go up and down the place exposing your ignorance!!!
The WPOTY is not an award for the best player of the Tournament winner... it's an award for the best player of the Year in review, putting all things in consideration!!!

Who were the star players of the respective clubs who won the UCL in 2005, 2012, and 2013?

If this UCL final was between Juve and Bayern, Messi would have most likely won this year's 2018 Balon D'or. Reason being that none of their star players have had an exceptional year.

If this UCL final was between Real and PSG, we'd be talking about a possible Neymar Balon D'Or win, not Salah.

Once upon a time, the 4-1 Ballon D'Or lead was used as an argument point, now that CR7 is about to be in a 6-5 Ballon D'Or lead, it doesn't matter.

How can a player who is about to win the Golden Shoe find it difficult to score or assist one goal in the most high profile matches of his season over 180 minutes? Not against a traditional European Heavyweight. But against Roma! Roma! If na Levante, e go dey show e sef. And you want us to give the Ballon D'Or to a man who has gone missing 3 times in a row when it mattered most in the biggest competition in club football. Where's the logic?

-Lord

Quoting some people is needless...I know better.
Ignore button activated

monerozi5590:


Is happening now in our faces. Modric, Kross and CR7.

How many trebles did they win?

LordAdam:


Who were the star players of the respective clubs who won the UCL in 2005, 2012, and 2013?

If this UCL final was between Juve and Bayern, Messi would have most likely won this year's 2018 Balon D'or. Reason being that none of their star players have had an exceptional year.

If this UCL final was between Real and PSG, we'd be talking about a possible Neymar Balon D'Or win, not Salah.

Once upon a time, the 4-1 Ballon D'Or lead was used as an argument point, now that CR7 is about to be in a 6-5 Ballon D'Or lead, it doesn't matter.

How can a player who is about to win the Golden Shoe find it difficult to score or assist one goal in the most high profile matches of his season over 180 minutes? Not against a traditional European Heavyweight. But against Roma! Roma! If na Levante, e go dey show e sef. And you want us to give the Ballon D'Or to a man who has gone missing 3 times in a row when it mattered most in the biggest competition in club football. Where's the logic?

-Lord

Flip side,

Even when it was 4 -1 a lot of you could swear Ronaldo was a million times better than Messi regardless.

So why should it matter even if it gets to 5 - 6?

Tell us Sir!!!

LordAdam:


But when Messi was waiting up front for Iniesta and Xavi to set him up from 2009-2015, it was all game.

So if Ronaldo steps back to join Casemiro, Kroos, Modric, and Isco in the midfield, who'd score the goals?

What's the use having a 6'2'' super athlete in an already stacked midfield when he has the best physique, best positioning, and best aerial elegance of any football player on the planet?

Daft fan boys!

-Lord

U for put dani alves there too na since he gave more assists to messi than iniesta and xavi combined.


Continue watching the led of your decoder and not the TV...werey!

femiti:
lol...from 2009-2015
Yet he has the highest assists for barca .
Smh

And CR7 has the highest assists for RM.

Dumb fellow!

-Lord

tesppidd:
@bolded,

ignorance or mischief
ignorance or mischief
ignorance or mischief

messi always had a free role during xavi and iniesta

So has CR7 for the better part of his career, although as a traditional winger he mainly hugs the touchline.

he was not called a false number 9 for nothing

CR7 is a winger.

he was a false number 9 because he always got back deep to help out inesta and xavi

Stop this dumb statement. Iniesta and Xavi did not need help in the midfield. Barca plays a possession style of football and prefers to break teams down through the middle. Everyone in the midfield and attack gets involved in this play.

Saying LM10 fell back to help out Iniesta, Xavi, and Busquests is disrespectful to those legends. Messi also played in the wings regularly when he was younger: Was that him helping the midfield as well?

Only cules will disrespect their own players just to make Messi look good.

consequently, it was he who still had the highest amount of dribbles, highest amount of assists, highest amount of chances created, as well as highest amount of goals. (with xavi and iniesta in their prime)

Just like CR7 still had the highest amount of dribbles, assists, and goals save for last year when he started playing substantially less games.

SO MY FRIEND DONT BE IN AWE,
YES IT IS POSSIBLE TO DROP BACK TO MIDFIELD AND HELP A KROOS, A MODRIC, A XAVI, AN INIESTA AND STILL BE UPFRONT TO SCORE THE GOALS.

messi did it then and is still doing it now.

I'm certainly not in awe. Messi plays as a 10 primarily in the middle of the pack. Connecting the midfield to the attack, which in Barca is barely distinguishable. While CR7 primarily plays as a LWF.

Barca plays possession football with emphasis on breaking the opposition through the middle. RM plays direct football and will not hesitate to use the wings if the middle is choked. Both players are perfect for their respective club styles and routinely take the crown for most goals and assists.

So I see no reason why you guys would belittle CR7 contribution because he doesn't play a Barca style. CR7 has no business in the RM midfield, get that into your thick skulls. That is not how RM is set up, that's not how we play, and he is of much use upfront where we lack reliable scorers than in the midfield.

The last time CR7 played as a midfielder in Manchester United (2007), he entered the FIFA XI for the year as a midfielder, ahead of Xavi.

You cules are a disgrace to football!

-Lord

LordAdam:


Who were the star players of the respective clubs who won the UCL in 2005, 2012, and 2013?

If this UCL final was between Juve and Bayern, Messi would have most likely won this year's 2018 Balon D'or. Reason being that none of their star players have had an exceptional year.

If this UCL final was between Real and PSG, we'd be talking about a possible Neymar Balon D'Or win, not Salah.

Once upon a time, the 4-1 Ballon D'Or lead was used as an argument point, now that CR7 is about to be in a 6-5 Ballon D'Or lead, it doesn't matter.

How can a player who is about to win the Golden Shoe find it difficult to score or assist one goal in the most high profile matches of his season over 180 minutes? Not against a traditional European Heavyweight. But against Roma! Roma! If na Levante, e go dey show e sef. And you want us to give the Ballon D'Or to a man who has gone missing 3 times in a row when it mattered most in the biggest competition in club football. Where's the logic?

-Lord

Stupid punk


Wat did fagnaldo do against bayern?

Olamyyde:

U for put dani alves there too na since he gave more assists to messi than iniesta and xavi combined.


Continue watching the led of your decoder and not the TV...werey!

Alves assist Messi more than Iniesta and Xavi combined? Haba!

Take am easy with the inaccurate stats.

I must not list all the players who assisted Messi. Same way Modric and Kroos are not the only players who assist CR7.

How do you cules reason sef? Seriously?! Always arguing off point.

-Lord

tesppidd:
Flip side,

Even when it was 4 -1 a lot of you could swear Ronaldo was a million times better than Messi regardless.

So why should it matter even if it gets to 5 - 6?

Tell us Sir!!!

Oga read and comprehend.

I said argument point. You mustn't necessarily agree to it.

Ronaldo fans during the Messi spell of 2009-2012 were mainly trying to say while Messi achievements couldn't be discounted, it didn't mean Ronaldo was not at the same level or higher; but that it was the Barca team, style of play (total football), and particularly the Xavi-Iniesta partnership that made it seem like they were miles apart in the Ballon D'Or tally.

You guys refused. Remember when you guys used to say CR7 couldn't enter Barca's first 11.

6 years later we've all been proven right, and you guys are grasping at straws. No more Xavi-Iniesta partnership, tiki taka, and all of a sudden Messi goes AWOL in 3 consecutive UCL QFs. Meanwhile CR7 has gone to his 8th straight UCL SF despite age and changing personnel in the team. And just like that he is about to win the Ballon D'Or for a record 6th time ahead of Messi who had a 4-1 lead.

It's not a surprise, we've been right all along.

-Lord

haymekus:


Stupid punk


Wat did fagnaldo do against bayern?

Foul-mouthed trashcan.

Talk civil and just maybe I'd engage you.

Oh and you may want to restrict your senseless jibes to non-UCL competitions. CR7 is called Mr Champions League for a reason.

-Lord

femiti:
Quoting some people is needless...I know better.
Ignore button activated

At least you respected yourself and didn't push your luck too far.

-Lord

no unbeaten, no treble.
so sad

Olamyyde:

How many trebles did they win?

How many UCL back to backs did they win?

-Lord

LordAdam:


So has CR7 for the better part of his career, although as a traditional winger he mainly hugs the touchline.



CR7 is a winger.



Stop this dumb statement. Iniesta and Xavi did not need help in the midfield. Barca plays a possession style of football and prefers to break teams down through the middle. Everyone in the midfield and attack gets involved in this play.

Saying LM10 fell back to help out Iniesta, Xavi, and Busquests is disrespectful to those legends. Messi also played in the wings regularly when he was younger: Was that him helping the midfield as well?

Only cules will disrespect their own players just to make Messi look good.



Just like CR7 still had the highest amount of dribbles, assists, and goals save for last year when he started playing substantially less games.



I'm certainly not in awe. Messi plays as a 10 primarily in the middle of the pack. Connecting the midfield to the attack, which in Barca is barely distinguishable. While CR7 primarily plays as a LWF.

Barca plays possession football with emphasis on breaking the opposition through the middle. RM plays direct football and will not hesitate to use the wings if the middle is choked. Both players are perfect for their respective club styles and routinely take the crown for most goals and assists.

So I see no reason why you guys would belittle CR7 contribution because he doesn't play a Barca style. CR7 has no business in the RM midfield, get that into your thick skulls. That is not how RM is set up, that's not how we play, and he is of much use upfront where we lack reliable scorers than in the midfield.

The last time CR7 played as a midfielder in Manchester United (2007), he entered the FIFA XI for the year as a midfielder, ahead of Xavi.

You cules are a disgrace to football!

-Lord

you spew nothing but gibberish all day and all night long.

i'd just respond to a few of your lines that make only minimal sense.

nobody ever belittles xavi and iniesta.

but the fact is the fact.

in the time of xavi, iniesta;

yes maestros they were, but messi's influence and contributions to the team were second to none.

you surely belong to that subset of fans who always brought up that motor park and beer parlour argument that messi was nothing without xavi and iniesta.

messi always had more goals, more assists, more dribbles, more chances created than the entire team.

nobody belittles xavi and iniesta but messi........



as for ronaldo,

he's a winger on paper yes, but on the pitch he's a striker.
he doesn't dribble nobody,
he doesn't create chances for nobody.
no vision in passing, only sideways and direct passes.

LordAdam:


Oga read and comprehend.

I said argument point. You mustn't necessarily agree to it.

Ronaldo fans during the Messi spell of 2009-2012 were mainly trying to say while Messi achievements couldn't be discounted, it didn't mean Ronaldo was not at the same level or higher; but that it was the Barca team, style of play (total football), and particularly the Xavi-Iniesta partnership that made it seem like they were miles apart in the Ballon D'Or tally.

You guys refused. Remember when you guys used to say CR7 couldn't enter Barca's first 11.

6 years later we've all been proven right, and you guys are grasping at straws. No more Xavi-Iniesta partnership, tiki taka, and all of a sudden Messi goes AWOL in 3 consecutive UCL QFs. Meanwhile CR7 has gone to his 8th straight UCL SF despite age and changing personnel in the team. And just like that he is about to win the Ballon D'Or for a record 6th time ahead of Messi who had a 4-1 lead.

It's not a surprise, we've been right all along.

-Lord

which one be argument point?

some refused back then to use 4-1 as an argument point,

but they are now warming up to use a possible 5-6 as an argument point, right?


i do understand why you keep restricting yourself to the UCL.

of course it's very convenient for you.

all you could talk about is 8 consecutive what nonsense!

i don't even know in what aspect of the game Ronaldo betters messi;

not goals
not assists
not dribbles
not passing
not creating chances
not MVP awards
not league trophies
not golden shoes
not champions league trophies
not national team trophies

not even ballon dors

then what

abeg stop telling us about some inconsequential 8th consecutive bill.. .

jamescross:
no unbeaten, no treble.

so sad

But we won the double

B.T.W What did your team win?

Oponu

tesppidd:
you spew nothing but gibberish all day and all night long.

i'd just respond to a few of your lines that make only minimal sense.

nobody ever belittles xavi and iniesta.

but the fact is the fact.

in the time of xavi, iniesta;

yes maestros they were, but messi's influence and contributions to the team were second to none.

you surely belong to that subset of fans who always brought up that motor park and beer parlour argument that messi was nothing without xavi and iniesta.

messi always had more goals, more assists, more dribbles, more chances created than the entire team.

nobody belittles xavi and iniesta but messi........

Same way that CR7 always had more goals, assists, and dribbles than the entire team.

Yet Messi didn't create goals, assists, and enough dribbles to make you guys advance through the QFs for 3 years in row!

But Xavi and Iniesta made it seem so easy!

as for ronaldo,

[s]he's a winger on paper yes, but on the pitch he's a striker.
he doesn't dribble nobody,
he doesn't create chances for nobody.
no vision in passing, only sideways and direct passes.[/s]

How can a normal person say:

CR7 doesn't dribble nobody?
CR7 doesn't create chances for nobody?
CR7 doesn't have vision in passing?

Only a braindead cule would insult a legend and G.O.A.T contender with these statements. Because it is very clear you neither watch the game nor highlights. You don't even check his stats.

CR7 is a LWF. Go check what that means. Ignoramus. Later you'll call yourself a football fan. Common positioning terminologies you don't know.

Stop typing nonsense!

-Lord

tesppidd:
which one be argument point?

some refused back then to use 4-1 as an argument point,

but they are now warming up to use a possible 5-6 as an argument point, right?


i do understand why you keep restricting yourself to the UCL.

of course it's very convenient for you.

all you could talk about is 8 consecutive what nonsense!

i don't even know in what aspect of the game Ronaldo betters messi;

not goals
not assists
not dribbles
not passing
not creating chances
not MVP awards
not league trophies
not golden shoes
not champions league trophies
not national team trophies

not even ballon dors

then what

abeg stop telling us about some inconsequential 8th consecutive bill.. .

Same inconsequential 8th consecutive UCL SF that you guys can't go to. Same inconsequential CL SF that'd cost Messi another Ballon D'Or.

Your preference to make stupid statements is mind-boggling. Going to the SF of the biggest competition in club football is inconsequential! And you say you are alright.

-Lord

I actually thought tesppidd is a logical thinker, but so sad you're not.

LordAdam:


Same way that CR7 always had more goals, assists, and dribbles than the entire team.

Yet Messi didn't create goals, assists, and enough dribbles to make you guys advance through the QFs for 3 years in row!

But Xavi and Iniesta made it seem so easy!




How can a normal person say:

CR7 doesn't dribble nobody?
CR7 doesn't create chances for nobody?
CR7 doesn't have vision in passing?

Only a braindead cule would insult a legend and G.O.A.T contender with these statements. Because it is very clear you neither watch the game nor highlights. You don't even check his stats.

CR7 is a LWF. Go check what that means. Ignoramus. Later you'll call yourself a football fan. Common positioning terminologies you don't know.

Stop typing nonsense!

-Lord

truth hurts.

even fellaini dribbles.

it is generally accepted that ronaldo is not a big deal without his goals.

if ronaldo fails to score he's useless.

even if it pains you sorry you car take it out on me.


and this submission about 3 champions league exits in a row is just silly.

from 2009 to 2014 ronaldo didn't win the champions league, but in your opinion am sure he was doing football a favour and messi wasn't qualified to lace his boots.

LWF indeed!



the joke is on you.

maybe you mean L18B.

because what he plays is

Left of the 18 yard box.

LosVikingos:
I actually thought tesppidd is a logical thinker, but so sad you're not.

you've said that several times man.

but i say the truth.

ronaldo is defined by goals, nothing else!

most of them can't handle this fact,

they get super angry when anybody dares to point this out.

but they would give you an award if you called him zidane and maradona rolled into one.

tesppidd:
truth hurts.

even fellaini dribbles.

it is generally accepted that ronaldo is not a big deal without his goals.

if ronaldo fails to score he's useless.

even if it pains you sorry you car take it out on me.


and this submission about 3 champions league exits in a row is just silly.

from 2009 to 2014 ronaldo didn't win the champions league, but in your opinion am sure he was doing football a favour and messi wasn't qualified to lace his boots.

LWF indeed!



the joke is on you.

maybe you mean L18B.

because what he plays is

Left of the 18 yard box.

Ehya..

LordAdam I think you should just forget it

LordAdam:


Same inconsequential 8th consecutive UCL SF that you guys can't go to. Same inconsequential CL SF that'd cost Messi another Ballon D'Or.

Your preference to make stupid statements is mind-boggling. Going to the SF of the biggest competition in club football is inconsequential! And you say you are alright.

-Lord

Noisemaker, so your team couldn't win a Villarreal team that had virtually all their first team players rested

tesppidd:
you've said that several time man.

but i say the truth.

ronaldo is defined by goals, nothing else!

most of then can handle this fact,

they get super angry when anybody dares to point this out.

but they would give you an award if you called him zidane and maradona rolled into one.

Ronaldo Career Assists = 207

Iniesta Career Assists = 108

LosVikingos:


Ehya..

LordAdam I think you should just forget it

your lord Adam doesn't quit

he keeps coming back for more.....

even when his argument begins to make a diminishing return,


but am done with this myself,

seriously seriously i don't wanna get engulfed in another senseless back and forth.

calculator123:

what has he done not to deserve a call up?

There are 2 players involved.
Which one are you wanting at the world cup?

Tesppidd, there is different between troll, and facts.

If you're calling someone with 108 career assists a legend and the other with 207 assists non existent without goals you've just unknowingly call yourself a fool bro

LosVikingos:


Ronaldo Career Assists = 207

Iniesta Career Assists = 108

My parting shot

*Assists are assists,

*Chances created are chances created,


To give you a proper perspective;

1.An ambitious shot at goal which is deflected into the net registers as an assist.
2.A lay off inside the 18 yard box registers as an assist.


That's not what we have in mind when we call the likes of Messi, and Iniesta play makers or chance creators.

So long brother.

tesppidd:
truth hurts.

even fellaini dribbles.

it is generally accepted that ronaldo is not a big deal without his goals.

if ronaldo fails to score he's useless.

even if it pains you sorry you car take it out on me.


and this submission about 3 champions league exits in a row is just silly.

from 2009 to 2014 ronaldo didn't win the champions league, but in your opinion am sure he was doing football a favour and messi wasn't qualified to lace his boots.

LWF indeed!



the joke is on you.

maybe you mean L18B.

because what he plays is

Left of the 18 yard box.

See as I dey shame for you!

Fellaini dribbles, but CR7 doesn't dribble.

Why would the rant of a person who said CR7 doesn't dribble or create chances hurt me? Do you think anyone but your fellow dunce cules buys your show of shame?

Now crashing out of the UCL 3 times in a row doesn't matter. Yet we all recall how you guys were shamelessly lamenting crashing out to Roma on this thread.

Common LWF you don't know. You can continue disgracing yourself.

-Lord

haymekus:


Noisemaker, so your team couldn't win a Villarreal team that had virtually all their first team players rested

Yes, but we won the Champions of France, Italy, and Germany. You guys threw away an unbeaten run to a #15 side.

Shameless thing!

-Lord